{BFL} WHAT THE!! ButterflyLads WONT deliver the Monarch Till...ONLY GOD KNOWs?:(

[Searing]

Again: just the messenger here. You don't have to convince me: no pre-orders ever!

As I'm in an office building where electricity is included in the rent I'm using mainly Antminer S1's (for 0.425 BTC/pc. [$1/Gh] I get almost 3TH for $2700,-)...

But I am - however - looking forward to see the "next" evolution in ASIC chips... (when I compare a Monarch's 2 chips to my Antminers 768 chips -for 600Gh).

yeah ...but likely you will never get a good working monarch....imho for a reasonable price or time


look anywhere but at BFL

[sbogovac]

Well, that's not my experience...

I waited to order the BFL Single's till they were "in stock" and I must say that the chips are superior to any other I use(-d, and I [have] use [-d] Antminer U1's, Technobit HEX16's, BFL Single's and Antminer S1's). They simply hash away more steady (less fluctuations in Hashrate), more power effective (although I really don't care because of my "all-in-office-rent") and more efficiently (less power hungry and less heat dissipation).

So - yes, I am looking forward to what chip BFL comes up with... And test results are proving to be quite interesting:

[sbogovac]

yeah ...but likely you will never get a good working monarch....imho for a reasonable price or time

I definitely agree with you on the "time" part of this discussion;

If I look at it from a "mathematical" point of view and calculate the return on a 600Gh/s Monarch that "theoretically" is mining for me "right now" I would make the following assumptions:
- 15% difficulty increases (reality is; with the new miners coming online this will be more in the 20+, maybe even 30% range - but OK); and,
- No price change in BTC (which is pure theory, I know; but hey, let's use it "for reference"...)

> in (the rest of) 2014, this 600Gh/s Monarch would make me BTC 3.15817791 or $ 1389,57; and,
> for the whole of 2015 (still disregarding power costs!) it would make BTC 0,23391404 or $ 102,92.

So yes, these Monarch cards will never ROI (let alone make a profit) with a price tag of $2,196... IMHO.

[RoadStress]

Well, that's not my experience...

I waited to order the BFL Single's till they were "in stock" and I must say that the chips are superior to any other I use(-d, and I [have] use [-d] Antminer U1's, Technobit HEX16's, BFL Single's and Antminer S1's). They simply hash away more steady (less fluctuations in Hashrate), more power effective (although I really don't care because of my "all-in-office-rent") and more efficiently (less power hungry and less heat dissipation).

Please explain to the rest of us how is the Single more efficiently than the rest of the chips.

[ChuckBuck]

So - yes, I am looking forward to what chip BFL comes up with... And test results are proving to be quite interesting:

LOL that's not a test result, that's a marketing graph silly!   

[sbogovac]

Please explain to the rest of us how is the Single more efficiently than the rest of the chips.

You take the power usage (at the wall) and divide it though the number of GH's mining so you get a ratio and the Single performs best (from the four miners I('ve been) use(-ing).

Simple really...

[sbogovac]

LOL that's not a test result, that's a marketing graph silly!   

Wait,

this is said by someone with "★★★ GET FREE CREDITS! ♣ POKER ✪ SLOTS ♦ BLACKJACK ☮ RITZGRANDCASINO.COM ★★★" for a signature?!?

ROFL!

[ChuckBuck]

LOL that's not a test result, that's a marketing graph silly!   

Wait,

this is said by someone with "★★★ GET FREE CREDITS! ♣ POKER ✪ SLOTS ♦ BLACKJACK ☮ RITZGRANDCASINO.COM ★★★" for a signature?!?

ROFL!

Yes, it is.  What does sig campaigns have to do with the message I'm trying to convey.  Glad you have good eyes.   

[ChuckBuck]

Please explain to the rest of us how is the Single more efficiently than the rest of the chips.

You take the power usage (at the wall) and divide it though the number of GH's mining so you get a ratio and the Single performs best (from the four miners I('ve been) use(-ing).

Simple really...

Isn't the single like 360W for like 60 GH/s?

Don't see the efficiency.

[RoadStress]

Please explain to the rest of us how is the Single more efficiently than the rest of the chips.

You take the power usage (at the wall) and divide it though the number of GH's mining so you get a ratio and the Single performs best (from the four miners I('ve been) use(-ing).

Simple really...

Ok. How much power does a Single use? What is the hashrate of the Single?

[sbogovac]

LOL that's not a test result, that's a marketing graph silly!   

Wait,

this is said by someone with "★★★ GET FREE CREDITS! ♣ POKER ✪ SLOTS ♦ BLACKJACK ☮ RITZGRANDCASINO.COM ★★★" for a signature?!?

ROFL!

Yes, it is.  What does sig campaigns have to do with the message I'm trying to convey.  Glad you have good eyes.   

Well, from my perspective you're the one using marketing...

[sbogovac]

Please explain to the rest of us how is the Single more efficiently than the rest of the chips.

You take the power usage (at the wall) and divide it though the number of GH's mining so you get a ratio and the Single performs best (from the four miners I('ve been) use(-ing).

Simple really...

Isn't the single like 360W for like 60 GH/s?

Don't see the efficiency.

No, it isn't...

And you do have to compare it with the other hardware being used back then... (in good-ol 2013).

[sbogovac]

Please explain to the rest of us how is the Single more efficiently than the rest of the chips.

You take the power usage (at the wall) and divide it though the number of GH's mining so you get a ratio and the Single performs best (from the four miners I('ve been) use(-ing).

Simple really...

Ok. How much power does a Single use? What is the hashrate of the Single?

Do your own research...good luck and enjoy!

[ChuckBuck]

LOL that's not a test result, that's a marketing graph silly!   

Wait,

this is said by someone with "★★★ GET FREE CREDITS! ♣ POKER ✪ SLOTS ♦ BLACKJACK ☮ RITZGRANDCASINO.COM ★★★" for a signature?!?

ROFL!

Yes, it is.  What does sig campaigns have to do with the message I'm trying to convey.  Glad you have good eyes.   

Well, from my perspective you're the one using marketing...

And...

Don't get your point still.  Look around this forum, there's advertising in almost every other sig and the website BitcoinTalk even has banners across the page.

Doesn't make what I said about BFL's marketing gimmicks any less.

Do you truly believe that's a test result on the screen?  If so, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.  Perhaps Nigerian prince's are more your flavor.

[ChuckBuck]

Please explain to the rest of us how is the Single more efficiently than the rest of the chips.

You take the power usage (at the wall) and divide it though the number of GH's mining so you get a ratio and the Single performs best (from the four miners I('ve been) use(-ing).

Simple really...

Isn't the single like 360W for like 60 GH/s?

Don't see the efficiency.

No, it isn't...

And you do have to compare it with the other hardware being used back then... (in good-ol 2013).

Spit out the watts or forever be damned for "FAIL".   

[sbogovac]

[...] Do you truly believe that's a test result on the screen?  If so, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.  Perhaps Nigerian prince's are more your flavour.[...]

Yes, and time will tell... (don't see a need to beat this dead horse any further).

[sbogovac]

[...]Isn't the single like 360W for like 60 GH/s?[...]Spit out the watts or forever be damned for "FAIL".   

You really think I still mine using Single's? 

[lightfoot]

Single uses about 4 watts per gh at the wall. 3 if you undervolt it with some resistor mods.

The jalapeno used more like 5 watts per gh, six if it was the 2 chip model. This is more due to the hotel load (things like the CPU, power control, USB, etc) using power. My 32gh jally is 5w/gh because the power supply is less efficient than a single and I have to run a Corsair H100 water block system to cool the little guy.

Power matters a *LOT*. I'll probably be throttling down my systems in June.

C
(Why yes, I hack hardware for bitcoin. Tell the Defcon people to accept my presentation and I'll do one at Blackhat/Defcon in August. We might even set things on fire)

[ChuckBuck]

Single uses about 4 watts per gh at the wall. 3 if you undervolt it with some resistor mods.

The jalapeno used more like 5 watts per gh, six if it was the 2 chip model. This is more due to the hotel load (things like the CPU, power control, USB, etc) using power. My 32gh jally is 5w/gh because the power supply is less efficient than a single and I have to run a Corsair H100 water block system to cool the little guy.

Power matters a *LOT*. I'll probably be throttling down my systems in June.

C
(Why yes, I hack hardware for bitcoin. Tell the Defcon people to accept my presentation and I'll do one at Blackhat/Defcon in August. We might even set things on fire)

So from your technical and professional experience hacking these singles to death....sbogovac doesn't know what he's talking about.   

So if it's 3 Watts per GH for a Single, and an Antminer S1 is 2 Watts per GH, how is 3<2 again?

Someone has to go back to school and learn basic arithmetic.

[sbogovac]

[...]So from your technical and professional experience hacking these singles to death....sbogovac doesn't know what he's talking about.   

So if it's 3 Watts per GH for a Single, and an Antminer S1 is 2 Watts per GH, how is 3<2 again?

Someone has to go back to school and learn basic arithmetic.

Ehhhhh... As I said: you do have to compare the Single to the other Hardware being used back then (in 2013)...

Someone has to go back to school an learn basic reading (and interpreting) skills.