Intellectual Property - In All Fairness!

[Hawker]

Non-Proliferation Treaty.

I wonder if you realize that places like North Korea aren't part of that? Yet somehow a billionaire couldn't get one.

They aren't regulated everywhere. Yet somehow a billionaire couldn't get one.

Your theory doesn't hold water, sorry.

Actually they can't make the bomb themselves despite a breach of the treaty by Pakistan.  Their difficulty shows how well the system works. 

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[fergalish]

If you don't accept the non-aggression principle then I'm free to use aggression on you.

And there it is, folks.  The ultimate double standard.

Wrong. It would be a double standard to say "I can use aggression but don't force me not to". If you say I can use aggression on you then why wouldn't I? That's what you're doing by saying you reject the NAP.

It *is* a double standard.  You are willing to use force to make me comply with your rules, while you deny me the right to use force to make you comply with my rules.  One standard for you, another for me.  Double standard.  Big difference is you're a hypocrite and I'm not - I say "I will engage in violence to make you comply", and I do, while you say "I will never engage in violence except in defence" but you do.

But this is far too entertaining to stop here.  So, all right, let's suppose I accept your NAP (which is, in and of itself an admirable principle), but I reject your definition of property.  I may therefore rightfully enter, without aggression, what you consider to be your property and claim it as my own.  You may not engage in aggression to eject me.  Correct or incorrect?

"I'll be the first to admit it, LiberLand does require everyone to take more responsibility for themselves."

"... IF EVERY SINGLE PERSON THE WHOLE WORLD WIDE suddenly changed their nature and started behaving honestly, it might work.  ..."

Those two quotes don't even share any synonyms, much less the same words, how could they possibly have the same meaning? They're not even a close substitute for what I said, fail. It's the best interest of everybody everywhere to act in a non-violent, respectful way. War, generally speaking, is too expensive to maintain. One way out is to play nicely. Most forceful means are a disincentive to improve.

Perhaps you don't understand the meaning of the words "responsible" and "honest"...

So in your scenario, the people of Tuscon would have to up sticks and leave?  Since there would be no way to actually stop someone having a nuke would there?

No, the people in Tuscon wouldn't move there in the first place if that were a possibility. The only way large cities will form is if the land is already set aside and has rules in place for it. The large land owners and developers will make sure that is the case. It's like the previous issue of "what if the guy that owns the road in front of my house wants a million dollars to use it". That would never happen because people wouldn't be inclined to live there in the first place.

Oh man, I'm bustin' my sides laughing now.  You couldn't buy comedy this good anywhere.


I gotta quit this thread - it's just too addictive.  These guys just *won't* address the problems put to them 'cos the contradictions are inescapable.

Please explain how you protect the people of Tuscon from the likes of Jared Laughner with a nuke?

By charging current market-rate prices for a nuke?

AND THIS     Oh shit, I'm crackin' up... there are literally tears coming out my eyes... I can't even type... you guys have gotta stop typing dudes, every time I hit "post" there are 10 new replies and I'm just breakin' apart reading them...

[Rassah]

Please explain how you protect the people of Tuscon from the likes of Jared Laughner with a nuke?

By charging current market-rate prices for a nuke?

Which only puts nukes in the hands of the wealthy... the same wealthy you previously admitted are the cause of government corruption and pillaging of the common man.

Sounds like a great idea!

Wtf would the wealthy want to own nukes, which are very dangerous, risky, toxic, and expensive to maintain devices, if they can just pay specialist teams to wipe out specific targets in secret, and manipulate the market through media, for WAY CHEAPER? Actually, what's the point of manufactoring nukes in a libertopia, anyway?

Power.  A nuke gives you ultimate power of life and death over millions and as such the bad and the mad will always want it.

Sorry, but your imagination at how to be a supervilain kinda sucks. How many nukes does Rupert Murdoch own? How about the Walton family (of WalMart?) There are way better weapons and systems of control than just blowing everything up indiscriminately.

[AyeYo]

Non-Proliferation Treaty.

I wonder if you realize that places like North Korea aren't part of that? Yet somehow a billionaire couldn't get one.

They aren't regulated everywhere. Yet somehow a billionaire couldn't get one.

Your theory doesn't hold water, sorry.

BECAUSE THEY'RE REGULATED AND HEAVILY CONTROLLED EVERYWHERE THEY ACTUALLY EXIST, YOU DUMB SHIT.

What part of that don't you understand?  No one can get them because the people that own them regulate them.  It doesn't matter that North Korea or Osama don't regulate them, because the countries that own them do.

[AyeYo]

Please explain how you protect the people of Tuscon from the likes of Jared Laughner with a nuke?

By charging current market-rate prices for a nuke?

Which only puts nukes in the hands of the wealthy... the same wealthy you previously admitted are the cause of government corruption and pillaging of the common man.

Sounds like a great idea!

Wtf would the wealthy want to own nukes, which are very dangerous, risky, toxic, and expensive to maintain devices, if they can just pay specialist teams to wipe out specific targets in secret, and manipulate the market through media, for WAY CHEAPER? Actually, what's the point of manufactoring nukes in a libertopia, anyway?

Power.  A nuke gives you ultimate power of life and death over millions and as such the bad and the mad will always want it.

Sorry, but your imagination at how to be a supervilain kinda sucks. How many nukes does Rupert Murdoch own? How about the Walton family (of WalMart?) There are way metter weapons and systems of control than just blowing everything up indiscriminately.

GOD FUCKING DAMNIT!!  THEY DON'T OWN ANY BECAUSE IT'S ILLEGAL!!

[Rassah]

Please explain how you protect the people of Tuscon from the likes of Jared Laughner with a nuke?

By charging current market-rate prices for a nuke?

AND THIS     Oh shit, I'm crackin' up... there are literally tears coming out my eyes... I can't even type... you guys have gotta stop typing dudes, every time I hit "post" there are 10 new replies and I'm just breakin' apart reading them...

Take you suitcase of $200,000,000, go to Iran or North Korea, or the Chinese black market, and buy a nuke. Post pictures when you're done. No need to export it or take it anywhere there there are regulations on them. Just buy it where there are no regulations and nuclear materials are available.
Until you do, I'll be laughing at you.

[NghtRppr]

Non-Proliferation Treaty.

I wonder if you realize that places like North Korea aren't part of that? Yet somehow a billionaire couldn't get one.

They aren't regulated everywhere. Yet somehow a billionaire couldn't get one.

Your theory doesn't hold water, sorry.

BECAUSE THEY'RE REGULATED AND HEAVILY CONTROLLED EVERYWHERE THEY ACTUALLY EXIST, YOU DUMB SHIT.

What part of that don't you understand?  No one can get them because the people that own them regulate them.  It doesn't matter that North Korea or Osama don't regulate them, because the countries that own them do.

You really need to educate yourself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction

If you don't even know that North Korea has nuclear weapons, you really don't need to be calling people "dumb shit" or even engaging in intelligent debates at all.

I'm laughing at the all caps though. You mad, bro?

[AyeYo]

Please explain how you protect the people of Tuscon from the likes of Jared Laughner with a nuke?

By charging current market-rate prices for a nuke?

AND THIS     Oh shit, I'm crackin' up... there are literally tears coming out my eyes... I can't even type... you guys have gotta stop typing dudes, every time I hit "post" there are 10 new replies and I'm just breakin' apart reading them...

Take you suitcase of $200,000,000, go to Iran or North Korea, or the Chinese black market,

Iran doesn't have nukes.  North Korea doesn't have nukes.  China doesn't sell nukes.  So wtf is your point?

[AyeYo]

Non-Proliferation Treaty.

I wonder if you realize that places like North Korea aren't part of that? Yet somehow a billionaire couldn't get one.

They aren't regulated everywhere. Yet somehow a billionaire couldn't get one.

Your theory doesn't hold water, sorry.

BECAUSE THEY'RE REGULATED AND HEAVILY CONTROLLED EVERYWHERE THEY ACTUALLY EXIST, YOU DUMB SHIT.

What part of that don't you understand?  No one can get them because the people that own them regulate them.  It doesn't matter that North Korea or Osama don't regulate them, because the countries that own them do.

You really need to educate yourself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction

If you don't even know that North Korea has nuclear weapons, you really don't need to be calling people "dumb shit" or even engaging in intelligent debates at all.

That's NK blowing smoke up peoples' asses, but that's entirely another discussion for another thread.


Furthermore, EVEN IF we pretend they have nukes... it doesn't mean they don't regulate them.  The fact that the government owns them doesn't mean it immediately follows that the goverment is willing to sell them to anyone.

[NghtRppr]

North Korea doesn't have nukes.

"North Korea (officially the Democratic People's Republic of Korea or DPRK) has declared that it has nuclear weapons and is believed by many to have nuclear weapons."

You can be loud-mouthed or ignorant of the facts, but being both is a terrible combination.

[Rassah]

Please explain how you protect the people of Tuscon from the likes of Jared Laughner with a nuke?

By charging current market-rate prices for a nuke?

Which only puts nukes in the hands of the wealthy... the same wealthy you previously admitted are the cause of government corruption and pillaging of the common man.

Sounds like a great idea!

Wtf would the wealthy want to own nukes, which are very dangerous, risky, toxic, and expensive to maintain devices, if they can just pay specialist teams to wipe out specific targets in secret, and manipulate the market through media, for WAY CHEAPER? Actually, what's the point of manufactoring nukes in a libertopia, anyway?

Power.  A nuke gives you ultimate power of life and death over millions and as such the bad and the mad will always want it.

Sorry, but your imagination at how to be a supervilain kinda sucks. How many nukes does Rupert Murdoch own? How about the Walton family (of WalMart?) There are way metter weapons and systems of control than just blowing everything up indiscriminately.

GOD FUCKING DAMNIT!!  THEY DON'T OWN ANY BECAUSE IT'S ILLEGAL!!

Are you saying that if they were legal to own and store in, say, North Korea, and they were able to buy them, those people I mentioned would buy them, because owning a nuke (and losing business from everyone shocked about it) would give them more money and power than running their own businesses?
Is the plan
1) Buy nuke
2)
3) Profit?

[NghtRppr]

That's NK blowing smoke up peoples' asses, but that's entirely another discussion for another thread.

Typical. Never admit when you're wrong. The true sign of someone that's out of their depth.

[Rassah]

Please explain how you protect the people of Tuscon from the likes of Jared Laughner with a nuke?

By charging current market-rate prices for a nuke?

AND THIS     Oh shit, I'm crackin' up... there are literally tears coming out my eyes... I can't even type... you guys have gotta stop typing dudes, every time I hit "post" there are 10 new replies and I'm just breakin' apart reading them...

Take you suitcase of $200,000,000, go to Iran or North Korea, or the Chinese black market,

Iran doesn't have nukes.  North Korea doesn't have nukes.  China doesn't sell nukes.  So wtf is your point?

They have uranium and plutonium. How hard can it be to make one? According to you, if it was legal, everyone would own one.

[fergalish]

Until you do, I'll be laughing at you.

Oh what a jolly time we're having so.  Dude, if I ever meet you, I swear I'll buy you a beer.  I haven't laughed this hard in ages.  I'll tell you what, I'll take you seriously the day some guy comes around asking me to contribute to an asteroid defence system...    Oh man.  This is priceless.

[AyeYo]

and they were able to buy them,

Dear lord you're thick as fuck.  THEY AREN'T ABLE TO BUY THEM BECAUSE OF THE REGULATION.

[AyeYo]

How hard can it be to make one?

Pretty goddamn hard because everyone and their mother has the raw materials, it's actually building the bomb that's difficult BECAUSE OF THE REGULATIONS.

[NghtRppr]

AyeYo clearly has no idea what he's talking about.

[Rassah]

Until you do, I'll be laughing at you.

Oh what a jolly time we're having so.  Dude, if I ever meet you, I swear I'll buy you a beer.  I haven't laughed this hard in ages.  I'll tell you what, I'll take you seriously the day some guy comes around asking me to contribute to an asteroid defence system...    Oh man.  This is priceless.

When did I ever say a company defending itself against asteroids will also be protecting your sorry ass? If it's headed for them, they can blow it up. If you get saved too, good for you. If a blown-off chunk crushes you, oh well. And if asteroids are a real problem, I'm sure you'd gladly pay into a community pool to support such a defense yourself.

[Rassah]

How hard can it be to make one?

Pretty goddamn hard because everyone and their mother has the raw materials, it's actually building the bomb that's difficult BECAUSE OF THE REGULATIONS.

Is there regulation in Korea? Iran? Somalia? Saudi Arabia? Hell, many of those countries will pey you to build one for them.question is money and difficulty, and threat of pissing everyone else off. This won't somehow be different in libertyville.

[Rassah]

AyeYo clearly has no idea what he's talking about.

I keep wanting to make a point of just ignoring and not replying to him, but keep forgetting to check the name of the person I'm hitting reply to.