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[damakhun]

Allow me to point to a peepsplace thread on the subject:

http://www.peepsplace.com/showthread.php?t=429713

Besides the actual details of the complaint what you can see is that in July 2013 so we're talking mid baseball season (last season) the rules were:

Pinnacle:

For grading purposes, all games must go 8.5 innings and be played to completion within 7 days of their start time for wagers to have action.

Wagers on games that are suspended or otherwise not finished on the day of game, but are finished within 7 days of their start time, have action and will be graded based on the completed game score.

BetCris:

Game must go 8.5 or more innings and be concluded with a winner determined.

Any game or event must be played to its conclusion within 7 days in order to have action on full game props. Wagers on games that are suspended on the day of the game but played to conclusion within 7 days of the start time have action and will be graded based on the completed game score.

So both Pinnacle and Bookmaker were using a rule other than the one you consider universal. Fwiw Tipico (largest in turkey) also has the same rule. Pinnacle and Bookmaker have changed their rules multiple times. It appears no one can decide how they want to handle those. Pinnacle has done it (changes) and stuck to what the rules were at the time bets were placed. Bookmaker seems to have changed them twice both in the middle dispute (second accusation of that). Now to be clear perhaps they settled the dispute and changed it. I don't know (this here isn't to accuse them - though was at bare minimum some low level support issues were had).

The point I'm trying to make is perhaps directbet has some to learn about bookmaking and rules, perhaps you as well in looking at rules and judging books off them. The baseball rule is a) fair, b) has been used at other sites - I mean was even the case at Pinnacle and Bookmaker - two large limit outs. This one is a pass. Yes DirectBet's version is the less common rule, but they are not alone. There are dozens of places action continues till when the game resumes. On that one I think you two should kiss and make up

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[liwayway]

this bet is winner w/o djokovic.not winner champion.
he won to djokovic.this bet should be won???

That bet was placed after he beat djokovic. It was a bet to win the U.S. Open.
He came in second, not winning. So, the bet lost.

when i bet.there are 2 bets.
first is winner odd 1.96 (there is no live at this bet)
and second is Winner W/O Djokovic 1.76 (there is live at this bet)
if my bet need  Kei Nishikori  win first place to win so this bet have odd not fair.
and there is not thing different between 2 bets WINNER AND  WINNER W/O DJOKOVIC.
my bet is WINNER W/O DJOKOVIC.Kei Nishikori  is second place till have higher place than Djokovic

[21pilot]

graded!

Thanks guys!

[Josepht]

this bet is winner w/o djokovic.not winner champion.
he won to djokovic.this bet should be won???

That bet was placed after he beat djokovic. It was a bet to win the U.S. Open.
He came in second, not winning. So, the bet lost.

when i bet.there are 2 bets.
first is winner odd 1.96 (there is no live at this bet)
and second is Winner W/O Djokovic 1.76 (there is live at this bet)
if my bet need  Kei Nishikori  win first place to win so this bet have odd not fair.
and there is not thing different between 2 bets WINNER AND  WINNER W/O DJOKOVIC.
my bet is WINNER W/O DJOKOVIC.Kei Nishikori  is second place till have higher place than Djokovic

You don't get it, do you?
You did not  bet on Nishikori to be higher in the ranking then Djockovic. You did bet on Nishikori to win the tournament without the participation of Djockovic.

[DirectBet]

my bet is WINNER W/O DJOKOVIC.Kei Nishikori  is second place till have higher place than Djokovic

This bet was not on which player will finish higher than Djokovic. It can't be such a bet because when you placed it Djokovic was already eliminated from the tournament and it was determined that Kei Nishikori will finish in a higher position.

I sent you a PM with further information and clarification.

[Peeps Place]

Allow me to point to a peepsplace thread on the subject:

http://www.peepsplace.com/showthread.php?t=429713

Besides the actual details of the complaint what you can see is that in July 2013 so we're talking mid baseball season (last season) the rules were:

Pinnacle:

For grading purposes, all games must go 8.5 innings and be played to completion within 7 days of their start time for wagers to have action.

Wagers on games that are suspended or otherwise not finished on the day of game, but are finished within 7 days of their start time, have action and will be graded based on the completed game score.

BetCris:

Game must go 8.5 or more innings and be concluded with a winner determined.

Any game or event must be played to its conclusion within 7 days in order to have action on full game props. Wagers on games that are suspended on the day of the game but played to conclusion within 7 days of the start time have action and will be graded based on the completed game score.

So both Pinnacle and Bookmaker were using a rule other than the one you consider universal. Fwiw Tipico (largest in turkey) also has the same rule. Pinnacle and Bookmaker have changed their rules multiple times. It appears no one can decide how they want to handle those. Pinnacle has done it (changes) and stuck to what the rules were at the time bets were placed. Bookmaker seems to have changed them twice both in the middle dispute (second accusation of that). Now to be clear perhaps they settled the dispute and changed it. I don't know (this here isn't to accuse them - though was at bare minimum some low level support issues were had).

The point I'm trying to make is perhaps directbet has some to learn about bookmaking and rules, perhaps you as well in looking at rules and judging books off them. The baseball rule is a) fair, b) has been used at other sites - I mean was even the case at Pinnacle and Bookmaker - two large limit outs. This one is a pass. Yes DirectBet's version is the less common rule, but they are not alone. There are dozens of places action continues till when the game resumes. On that one I think you two should kiss and make up

I'm not sure when Pinny changed but they now grade same day. I'll take your word for the time frame on CRIS/Bookmaker. Currently, Pinny, Greek, 5Dimes, Bookmaker (just changed), Vegas and all other books that I know of in CR grade same day for the regular season. The rules are different during the playoffs.

Pinnacle Sports does not recognize postponed games, protests or overturned decisions for wagering purposes. As long as the event is played on the schedule day, all bets have action

http://www.pinnaclesports.com/help/betting-rules

[Peeps Place]

my bet is WINNER W/O DJOKOVIC.Kei Nishikori  is second place till have higher place than Djokovic

This bet was not on which player will finish higher than Djokovic. It can't be such a bet because when you placed it Djokovic was already eliminated from the tournament and it was determined that Kei Nishikori will finish in a higher position.

I sent you a PM with further information and clarification.

Why would you list " W/O Djokovic" when not only were they on the same side of the draw, they played against each other and the match concluded? The ticket makes no sense and I can see why it confused the player.

[tins]

my bet is WINNER W/O DJOKOVIC.Kei Nishikori  is second place till have higher place than Djokovic

This bet was not on which player will finish higher than Djokovic. It can't be such a bet because when you placed it Djokovic was already eliminated from the tournament

I had already posted that like 4 times.

[damakhun]

On baseball: Pinnacle changed the rule during this current season. Many sharp bettors would love if every site with low margins continued the bet on to the conclusion on a future day. It is exploitable, more so on some matches than on others. The two sharp sites likely had it that way to be a sharp friendly rule. But, both (Pinnacle + Bookmaker) have changed rules mid-season this season and last, multiple times during each season - going back and forth. Perhaps they are toying with "how much of an advantage does this give". It seems unfair to harp on this being a negative at directbet when two of the biggest books on US friendly sports have both used this rule at times during this current season. I think nothing but an asterisk (*) mentioning they use the far less common rule is needed on that one. It is an uncommon rule, but not unheard, certainly not universal as you mentioned many times. I say this because you have brought that up so many times in a negative, but on this one their rule is fair and just the lesser common one.

With the deadheat stuff, that is a big issue. I would sound the alarms on that one.

[Peeps Place]

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[AutoProfit]

Jesus fucking christ Peeps, give it a rest! It's ridiculous how much you hound DirectBet. It makes you look extremely petty, like you have a vendetta against them, and like you work for the competition.

I hope you've noticed how much respect you've lost and how no one really pays much attention to your so-called "ratings" lately. This is why...

[Hammershead]

Do you offer ESports?

[crazy573]

Feel free to discuss DirectBet but I'm going to delete all of his posts along with posts containing his quotes. I sent this PM to him on July 29.

Start your own thread if you want to bash me. I don't care what you title it. If you continue to crap up the rating guide, then I'll just take you off and start a self moderated thread in which you won't be allowed to post. Thanks

So DB is not allowed in your thread but you keep trashing here?
Get a life

[DirectBet]

With the deadheat stuff, that is a big issue. I would sound the alarms on that one.

We've stated in the past that it doesn't really matter to us whether to settle UFC ties and Basketball Quarter and Half time ties as a push or as dead heat and that we are open to changes.

Seeing that some of you here are not satisfied with the current rule and in an effort to utilize the most commonly used rule, we took the decision to change these two rules and push tied bets instead of using the dead heat rule.

A formal announcement will be made later on today.

As for the rule in regards to postponed Baseball games, no change will be made because we believe that it is better to have the same rule all year long. Furthermore, this rule is in-line with our postponed games rule on other sports.

Why do you think that it is better to have two different rules, one for the regular season and one for postseason ?

[DirectBet]

Do you offer ESports?

Unfortunately not, sorry.

[Peeps Place]

With the deadheat stuff, that is a big issue. I would sound the alarms on that one.

We've stated in the past that it doesn't really matter to us whether to settle UFC ties and Basketball Quarter and Half time ties as a push or as dead heat and that we are open to changes.

Seeing that some of you here are not satisfied with the current rule and in an effort to utilize the most commonly used rule, we took the decision to change these two rules and push tied bets instead of using the dead heat rule.

A formal announcement will be made later on today.

As for the rule in regards to postponed Baseball games, no change will be made because we believe that it is better to have the same rule all year long. Furthermore, this rule is in-line with our postponed games rule on other sports.

Why do you think that it is better to have two different rules, one for the regular season and one for postseason ?

My thoughts on it after reading more outside of US and CR.

I looked at SBOBET. I think they take the largest wagers in Europe and Asia. They go with 36 hours. Books located in Europe are all over the place, next day, 36 hour, same day. The bitcoin books seem to be the same way.

Now that Pinny and Bookmaker have switched, all books on my side of the pond, grade same day. I guess it really doesn't matter what you do unless you are going to want to accept those that scalp/arb some day. You'll then want to go same day since Pinnaclesports will take the largest wagers in baseball and they have a low hold. You can use fiat or bitcoin with Pinnacle.

[damakhun]

Kudos on the deadheat change and for listening to feedback and adjusting as goes.

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[russianptr]

You can use fiat or bitcoin with Pinnacle.

since when does Pinnacle accept BTC? Or are you talking about agent accounts at Pinnacle?

[Yourallsodum]

Directbet isn't a sportsbook.  I repeat- it's a betting exchange.     It's a crappy exchange that offers horrible odds and makes up its own grading practices.  -5000/+500 money lines and constantly crying make this "book" one to avoid.