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Digicoinz
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October 24, 2014, 04:04:49 PM |
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sunny, if you take his bet, you could make out huge if Bitcoin goes up a couple grand in price over then next year  |
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Digicoinz
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October 24, 2014, 04:06:32 PM |
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Oh, there was another indicator about BT that raised a flag for me.
One day I funded the account late in the day around 8pm EDT. and on those same shares i was already paid that same night 3am EDT the following morning.
This didn't make sense to me, how in 7 hrs they were able to profit and pay me earnings on those new shares i bought.
when apparently they operated their business during normal hours 8am-5pm, especially when trading pool results were posted around 2pm EDT ....
Here's your sign!
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sunny1
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October 24, 2014, 04:17:41 PM |
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Oh, there was another indicator about BT that raised a flag for me.
One day I funded the account late in the day around 8pm EDT. and on those same shares i was already paid that same night 3am EDT the following morning.
This didn't make sense to me, how in 7 hrs they were able to profit and pay me earnings on those new shares i bought.
when apparently they operated their business during normal hours 8am-5pm, especially when trading pool results were posted around 2pm EDT ....
Here's your sign!
Digicoinz, that was adressed in this fine thread earlier. The reason is [was] due to their script workings -- on the last day of yor investment (and at this time they could use your funds) you wouldn't get paid. |
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sunny1
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October 24, 2014, 04:18:55 PM |
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sunny, if you take his bet, you could make out huge if Bitcoin goes up a couple grand in price over then next year of course, that why I hold most of my coins. Called going long mate  |
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sunny1
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October 24, 2014, 04:20:18 PM |
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Read my previous post, pal: I said: "I don't say they might be around in 12 month, that is far too much for any bitcoin company to be sure."
Thats fine, they dont have to be around in 12 months for you to win the bet. If they pay all their accounts, and they close shop earlier, you still win. Yes, but I don't know. I am just gambling that I make some profit in the next couple of months. Call me greedy then.... |
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Digicoinz
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October 24, 2014, 04:26:34 PM |
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ok you're greedy lol  |
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sunny1
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October 24, 2014, 04:29:32 PM |
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ok you're greedy lol So you are Anyway, lets go ahead with esoteric. |
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Puppet
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October 24, 2014, 04:51:37 PM |
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Yes, but I don't know. I am just gambling that I make some profit in the next couple of months. Call me greedy then....
So you are saying you think there is a >50% chance this is a scam and they will stop paying accounts after a few months, otherwise you wouldnt decline my offer. Therefore, you are a hypocrit and a scumbag for trying to lure others in and pretending you dont think its a ponzi scam. Not too mention an idiot for taking very high risks for a relatively minor potential profit over a few months. |
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Keyser Soze
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October 24, 2014, 04:55:09 PM |
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Why would they share their high profit money making strategy with you? They are doing all the work, why would they want to pay you for doing nothing?
Like any other high yield investment fund would do. Thanks for proving my point that they are a hyip/ponzi. SUCCKKKIIIIINGGGGG can be very profitable dude - as my experience with BT proves. I am confident that my next adventure with Esoteric will be as profitable  Ditto  Yes, due to the nature of a ponzi, some people may profit, but those profits come from the pockets of other investors in the scheme. |
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October 24, 2014, 04:58:54 PM |
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Yes, due to the nature of a ponzi, some people will profit,
Far from certain (unless you meant the operator). This ponzi locks the funds for 120 days. Will there be enough inflow after that time for the ponzi operator to make it profitable to pay out those accounts? Absolutely not certain. |
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Keyser Soze
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October 24, 2014, 05:01:32 PM |
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Yes, due to the nature of a ponzi, some people will profit,
Far from certain (unless you meant the operator). This ponzi locks the funds for 120 days. Will there be enough inflow after that time for the ponzi operator to make it profitable to pay out those accounts? Absolutely not certain. True, I should have said may instead of will. |
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Rannasha
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October 24, 2014, 05:10:09 PM |
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Yes, due to the nature of a ponzi, some people will profit,
Far from certain (unless you meant the operator). This ponzi locks the funds for 120 days. Will there be enough inflow after that time for the ponzi operator to make it profitable to pay out those accounts? Absolutely not certain. BT lasted for quite a bit longer than 120 days, so I'm fairly certain that there are some that managed to cash out their initial money and profits. Also, the 120 day lockin was one of the smart tricks that contributed to the success of this particular scam. Almost all Ponzis allow you to withdraw your money at any time. The 120 day lockin has 2 advantages over that: First, it makes the story more believable, because if your money was truly invested somewhere, it wouldn't be available for immediate withdrawal. Second, and more importantly, the lockin period prevented panic withdrawals. With other schemes you see people trying to mass withdraw when the site is down for a few hours or when there are other issues. With BT that was not possible and the operator could anticipate potential large withdrawals long in advance and this, I think, contributed greatly to the stability and longevity of this particular Ponzi. |
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eneloop
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October 24, 2014, 05:11:37 PM |
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This is exactly why it worked that good.
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pawlo74
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October 24, 2014, 06:06:41 PM |
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Yes, but I don't know. I am just gambling that I make some profit in the next couple of months. Call me greedy then....
So you are saying you think there is a >50% chance this is a scam and they will stop paying accounts after a few months, otherwise you wouldnt decline my offer. Therefore, you are a hypocrit and a scumbag for trying to lure others in and pretending you dont think its a ponzi scam. Not too mention an idiot for taking very high risks for a relatively minor potential profit over a few months. Thanks Puppet that was pleasure to read. Those 3 scum-bags are even worse than BT aka John Carley was, at least he didn't try so hard to fool any one. Cheers. Well done. |
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October 24, 2014, 07:52:58 PM |
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Yes, due to the nature of a ponzi, some people will profit,
Far from certain (unless you meant the operator). This ponzi locks the funds for 120 days. Will there be enough inflow after that time for the ponzi operator to make it profitable to pay out those accounts? Absolutely not certain. BT lasted for quite a bit longer than 120 days, so I'm fairly certain that there are some that managed to cash out their initial money and profits. Also, the 120 day lockin was one of the smart tricks that contributed to the success of this particular scam. Almost all Ponzis allow you to withdraw your money at any time. The 120 day lockin has 2 advantages over that: First, it makes the story more believable, because if your money was truly invested somewhere, it wouldn't be available for immediate withdrawal. Second, and more importantly, the lockin period prevented panic withdrawals. With other schemes you see people trying to mass withdraw when the site is down for a few hours or when there are other issues. With BT that was not possible and the operator could anticipate potential large withdrawals long in advance and this, I think, contributed greatly to the stability and longevity of this particular Ponzi. There are many HYIPs that run for years, look at the lifetimes of some of them on this link: https://www.goldpoll.com |
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October 24, 2014, 08:38:28 PM |
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@Digicoinz and Sunny1,
If you really think its even remotely possible this is not a ponzi/scam, lets have a bet. Put whatever amount of BTC you want (up to 100) in a mutually agreed escrow, I will put twice the amount there. If 12 months from here, esoshit is still around and paying out profits, you get the lot. If it vanhishes with customer funds earlier, its all mine.
Care to put your money where your mouth is ?
That's a good bet guys take it so this guy can lose more of his money that he probly lost in BT to begin with. Read my previous post, pal: I said: "I don't say they might be around in 12 month, that is far too much for any bitcoin company to be sure."
Thats fine, they dont have to be around in 12 months for you to win the bet. If they pay all their accounts, and they close shop earlier, you still win. You guys should really take that bet since we are at the very least doing that. If you guys don't, could I? Probably wont need the money but winning your bitcoin would be a nice consolation from having to deal with your FUD. |
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Digicoinz
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October 24, 2014, 08:53:34 PM |
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You guys should really take that bet since we are at the very least doing that. If you guys don't, could I? Probably wont need the money but winning your bitcoin would be a nice consolation from having to deal with your FUD.
Hey Douchebag, How do you explain the fact that you guarantee 80% annual returns on investment?where did you read gaurantee? |
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pawlo74
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October 24, 2014, 08:59:21 PM |
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I do not know why but I have got very strong feelings that PT=BT now  |
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Digicoinz
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October 24, 2014, 09:01:48 PM |
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You guys should really take that bet since we are at the very least doing that. If you guys don't, could I? Probably wont need the money but winning your bitcoin would be a nice consolation from having to deal with your FUD.
Hey Douchebag, How do you explain the fact that you guarantee 80% annual returns on investment?where did you read gaurantee? Oh, so you don't guarantee 5% monthly returns? WTF are you "selling" then? PM Phanton trader, or get on Eso's website, their chat room is live and the owner's are there to answer any pressing questions! See you there! |
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