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June 18, 2015, 02:25:51 AM
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The price was pumped by the news of seed funding of Symbiont, and this crash is just the following dump. All price change before the real adoption is just pump and dump and can be safely ignored.
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June 18, 2015, 02:33:12 AM
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The difference being that this crypto is fundamentally useful so:  Buy and use, as well as Buy and Hold.

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June 18, 2015, 04:08:10 AM
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As a side note, XCP is not an altcoin as it depends on Bitcoin to exist and is not in competition with it.

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June 18, 2015, 05:20:05 AM
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Do that require me to run a full bitcoin node?

I'm not sure actually as I think I saw an update from jahpower or the dev team on using federated nodes to run light counterpartyd instead of connecting to your own bitcoind. Anyone ever tries Counterparty outside counterwallet without running bitcoind ?
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June 18, 2015, 05:28:24 AM
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The price was pumped by the news of seed funding of Symbiont, and this crash is just the following dump. All price change before the real adoption is just pump and dump and can be safely ignored.

I think it's more of alt pumping during btc strong climb. Most alts do not even have news yet rose, when Btc price hit the 260 ceiling, some took profit on alts.
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June 18, 2015, 07:24:01 AM
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Do that require me to run a full bitcoin node?

I'm not sure actually as I think I saw an update from jahpower or the dev team on using federated nodes to run light counterpartyd instead of connecting to your own bitcoind. Anyone ever tries Counterparty outside counterwallet without running bitcoind ?

I would also like to know if this has been done.
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June 18, 2015, 12:47:54 PM
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What I care about more than price is volume... And the volume has been growing: today it exceeded 100 BTC.
On Poloniex XCP is currently second highest in trading volume, second only to Litecoin.
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June 18, 2015, 04:12:53 PM
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http://symbiont.io/symbiont-sets-out-plans-for-its-smart-securities-technology/

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June 18, 2015, 10:33:40 PM
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Is Symbiont planning to issue its first private equity shares as smart securities on the bitcoin blockchain next month by using Counterparty XCP coins ?


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June 19, 2015, 12:04:56 AM
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Can I see somewhere list what companies are building over Counterparty, Mastercoin, Open Assets Protocol and Blockstream?

I feel like most important companies are now go under Colu/Open assets. Are that so much better platform than Counterparty and can that do everything what Counterparty/XCP -"altcoin" can do?

If we think situation where someday Counterparty adapt sidechains to make it working better. Colu/Open assets can adapt it also and build all same technology than Counterparty. Then biggest difference are that Open assets use real Bitcoin instead of "altcoin XCP" and they have more big companies.

Symbiont are big company, but are that enough big to change that truth everyone want use BTC instead of XCP if that is possible and can get all same option to software..?  


I see here are happen same what happen with Windows/other platforms with computers, when everyone buy Windows with computers that is what about everone use  Sad
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June 19, 2015, 06:02:37 AM
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Are that so much better platform than Counterparty and can that do everything what Counterparty/XCP -"altcoin" can do?


No, they can't do everything Counterparty can do. The Founders of Counterparty did not make XCP for fun, they made XCP because it's required for escrowing value since bitcoins cannot do this (with the very limited exception of multisig).

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June 19, 2015, 10:36:40 AM
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It's like comparing MSPaint to Photoshop, both are useful but the difference is unbelievable
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June 19, 2015, 02:01:28 PM
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Are that so much better platform than Counterparty and can that do everything what Counterparty/XCP -"altcoin" can do?


No, they can't do everything Counterparty can do. The Founders of Counterparty did not make XCP for fun, they made XCP because it's required for escrowing value since bitcoins cannot do this (with the very limited exception of multisig).

http://www.reddit.com/r/counterparty_xcp/comments/3aaptg/secure_multisig_address/

This multisig what doesn't working yet with Counterwallet web version? How it is with desktop version?

What kind of services Counterparty make possible what Bitcoin can't with Colu/sidechains? Some good, easy and big examples what non tech user can understand.
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June 19, 2015, 06:03:39 PM
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Are that so much better platform than Counterparty and can that do everything what Counterparty/XCP -"altcoin" can do?


No, they can't do everything Counterparty can do. The Founders of Counterparty did not make XCP for fun, they made XCP because it's required for escrowing value since bitcoins cannot do this (with the very limited exception of multisig).

http://www.reddit.com/r/counterparty_xcp/comments/3aaptg/secure_multisig_address/

This multisig what doesn't working yet with Counterwallet web version? How it is with desktop version?

What kind of services Counterparty make possible what Bitcoin can't with Colu/sidechains? Some good, easy and big examples what non tech user can understand.

Programmable money.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_completeness

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June 21, 2015, 06:05:23 PM
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I feel like most important companies are now go under Colu/Open assets. Are that so much better platform than Counterparty and can that do everything what Counterparty/XCP -"altcoin" can do?

I believe the curse of systems like Counterparty is global consensus/state, and to some degree a balance, instead of output based approach.

It adds a lot of overhead and fragility.

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Are that so much better platform than Counterparty and can that do everything what Counterparty/XCP -"altcoin" can do?


No, they can't do everything Counterparty can do. The Founders of Counterparty did not make XCP for fun, they made XCP because it's required for escrowing value since bitcoins cannot do this (with the very limited exception of multisig).

http://www.reddit.com/r/counterparty_xcp/comments/3aaptg/secure_multisig_address/

This multisig what doesn't working yet with Counterwallet web version? How it is with desktop version?

What kind of services Counterparty make possible what Bitcoin can't with Colu/sidechains? Some good, easy and big examples what non tech user can understand.
Decentralized Exchange

In an exchange, suppose you want to exchange asset A for asset B and find some one offer to sell 200 B with the price 1 A for 1 B. Then you click agree and he gets 200 A from you and you get 200 B from him. For this to happen, before the transaction, the 200 B needs to be escrowed by the system (i.e. the system has to make sure he has 200 B and temporarily freezes the 200 B). Currently, BTC (so does colored coin since they are just BTC) cannot be escrowed by the decentralized system, but XCP can. As a result, you can buy/sell assets instantly in a DEX with XCP but not with BTC.
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My Cynical hat is on here, but for a while I had suspicions of some odd market behaviour prior to Overstocks "official" announcement that Overstock had abandoned the original special relationship with CounterParty. It seems that the market crash may have been Overstock cashing out.

http://www.coindesk.com/overstock-reports-over-100k-in-bitcoin-losses-for-q1-2015/

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Speaking to CoinDesk, Overstock cryptocurrency group general manager Judd Bagley indicated that the loss was primarily the result of declines in certain altcoin markets in which the company has invested.

"The swing in the value of our cryptocurrency holdings is attributable to the sale of some of our non-bitcoin cryptocurrencies, the use of some of our bitcoin to pay for services including our membership in the Chamber of Digital Commerce, and changes in the market," he said.




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June 25, 2015, 02:58:31 AM
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You're assuming they ever cashed in, which is probably a stretch.

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You're assuming they ever cashed in, which is probably a stretch.

Not too much of a stretch!, even without personal preferences, If they were building a large scale project making use of CounterParty exclusively, and they were investing in altcoins (both of which are confirmed truths) I can't see how it's a huge logic jump to imagine one of those altcoins might be counterparty- purely from a business perspective. I doubt many could come up with a more reasonable alternative coin they may have invested in.  An internal move away from counterparty to a bitcoin-only market might correlate with sales of those 'non-bitcoin' altcoins judd bagley mentions.

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Overstock listed its cryptocurrency holdings as valued at $233,000 on March 31st, down from $340,000 on 31st December.

IF they had purchased anytime after oct 2014 (Remember there was quite a large run up right after then- partially caused by the formal announcement of the Overstock/CounterParty announcement) , and sold anytime before march 31st when the report was issued (let's say february, right after the coindesk article announcing the partnership was over - and that they were pursuing other markets, was released)- the market data would also support a loss like they are reporting. In fact a block buy spike on october almost perfectly mirrors a block sell at that time.

procuring the balance sheet @ http://edgar.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1130713/000113071315000018/ostk-20150331x10q.htm

 shows  $300k investments in cryptocurrencies were made in the past 12 months but prior to the past 3 months of the filing (so before Dec 31st 2015, but after March 31st 2014), and that  the sales were at some time from Dec 31st to March 31st 2015 but not prior, supporting such a theory further.

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Gains or losses resulting from changes in the value of our cryptocurrency assets are recorded in Other income (expense), net in our consolidated statements of income. Losses on cryptocurrency holdings were $117,000 and zero during the three months ended March 31, 2015 and 2014, respectively.
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Not strictly related but signs the scene is heating up, the big boys are moving in on the space, Exactly as how things seem like they would play out for those viewing this blockchain evolution on a zoomed out timeframe. Being involved in such an obvious and drastic fintech evolution right now is IMO, the best position next to being involved in bitcoin in 2010-2011 so far. Although there's no guarantee counterparty might play a role in this future paradigm shift (it could stagnate like MSC if the community let's it in the face of well funded, well connected organisations relentlessly advancing a common competing standard) the inevitability of a move in this general direction seems clear, and becoming acquainted with all things blockchain-fintech related may well reap dividends.

http://www.digitalasset.com/static/documents/PRESS_RELEASE_Digital_Asset_Acquisitions.pdf
http://www.bizjournals.com/newyork/news/2015/06/25/blythe-masters-takes-the-veil-off-stealthy-startup.html

Also noticed this: (obviously slanted towards open assets ecosystem a bit.. as everything seems to be these days, but still potentially interesting)

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Recall that tokenization protocols such as CoinSpark and Counterparty enable third party assets to
be issued and transacted over the bitcoin blockchain, in parallel to bitcoin’s native currency. These
techniques can equally be used on private blockchains created by MultiChain, without further
modification.

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http://www.multichain.com/download/MultiChain-White-Paper.pdf
http://www.multichain.com/developers/native-assets/
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