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[istvandv]

if we use that very real and very tangible and very verifiable data we can clearly say that if an average of 4 to 5 GH/s is finding around 20% of Groestl blocks, the other 80% has to be an average of 16 to 20 GH/s.

The math isn’t that hard to get right.

BTW, the difference between the real figures and the propaganda based figures is what srcxxx is currently taking off the top.

ok using math and tangible verifiable actual data
- blocks 185048 to 185247 have 38 groestl blocks
- of the 38 groestl blocks, 9 are found by Cryptopoolmining or 23.68%
- of the 38 groestl blocks, 29 are found by Boostpool or 76.32%
- Cryptopoolmining pool hash rate is 2,248.594 MHs
- therefore Boostpool hash is 7,247.16 MHs

looking at boostpool stats, there are 2 miners that make up most of the hash
- 1HHuLYhMfQKPowKxMr51gDxGPnjVY9qKqy ~5,020 Mhs
- 13VGSdtCSYAqrp8Cp2v3jhMD9gFdJaDAHV ~1,520 Mhs
so it does not look like miners shifted to boostpool, simply there are 2 big miners in boostpool

NOW FOR THE REAL ISSUE FOR US:

If one person were using an unfair, proprietary, advantage to “boost” their own particular mining, there would be no issue. We’d have to call that innovation.

But, when one person uses that same unfair, proprietary, advantage to fleece unsuspecting victims, we have a problem.

From a technical, economies of scale, standpoint, one individual would have to invest a great deal of money to implement an operation of sufficient size to have any real effect on the global network.

But when one individual is massing together the cumulative hash power of many unsuspecting victims, the impact on the network is considerable, and extremely negative.

If ethics, or right and wrong, don’t mean anything to you, at least that last comment should, that is if you at least want to protect your own interests.

why do you think those two big miner are in boostpool?  do you think they would mine there with out calculating their energy cost vs profit? i would safely assume that miners of that size are very particular and have come to a conclusion that despite the very high fee, they are making more in boostpool than any other multipool, the problem really is multipools in general, they mine profitable coins and sell, but that can still be used to DGBs advantage as you know boostpool will sell DGB daily so you can buy DGB cheaper.

FYI: i am currently mining in theblocksfactory-skein, in case you think i am mining at boostpool

[BRUCELLA]

This guy is really making me sick. Everything for his own benefits  
Digibyte did the multi-algo upgrade for a fare distribution of mining.
This is not fare in any direction.

We need to deal with scrxxx & his multipool. ASAP!


What options do we have?

Report to Bitcointalk
Get the word out about scrxxx and his actions.
Attack his pool

Delete the groestl algorithm???   (Last,last,last option!)

Or we need to make a miner wich mine with the same efficacity than scrxxx miner...
We could make a reward for someone who give a good miner with source code... it's another idea. But it can take a bit too long time.

[HR]

Okay, some more numbers:

BoostPool’s payout numbers in BTC for Sept. 19 were approximately 0.49440387.

BoostPool’s DGB mining proceeds in BTC for Sept 19 were approximately 0.891.

That’s a difference of slightly over 45%. That’s what was skimmed. Not quite a double of the reported hashrate, but just about.

In DGB terms, that was approximately 4,050,000 DGB mined and only 2,247,290 paid out.

Those calculations are derived from the information we have in the DigiByte block explorer ( http://insight.dgb.cryptopoolmining.com/ ) and BoostPool’s payout page ( http://boostpool.com/stats/ ) using the average price for DGB and GRS for the 19th of September – keep in mind that the first 3 entries for BoostPool’s payout are in BTC, and the rest in GRS.

That’s also a total of 2,247,290 DGB that were sold in order to payout in GRS and BTC (and to prop up GroestlCoin’s price as a by product), for those concerned about the dumping.

It’s a little difficult – time consuming more than anything – to get to the raw data to see this, but if BoostPool were to be clearly identified in the block explorer as the finder for the blocks it finds, we could all do this math in very little time, and the miners on BoostPool could clearly see that they are being taken for a ride (getting very little more than they could using an open source optimized miner on an honest pool while a little more than 45% of their hashing power is being stolen from them).


SUGGESTED SOLUTION:

Make mining pool identification on the block explorer mandatory.

Any pool that refuses to identify itself would have its IP blocked.

All non-complying pools would be given a 24 hour notice before being blocked.

Solo miners would have an IP ID “exception”. (Simple probability analysis would alert us to a pool masquerading as a solo miner.)

[HR]

ok using math and tangible verifiable actual data
- blocks 185048 to 185247 have 38 groestl blocks
- of the 38 groestl blocks, 9 are found by Cryptopoolmining or 23.68%
- of the 38 groestl blocks, 29 are found by Boostpool or 76.32%
- Cryptopoolmining pool hash rate is 2,248.594 MHs
- therefore Boostpool hash is 7,247.16 MHs

looking at boostpool stats, there are 2 miners that make up most of the hash
- 1HHuLYhMfQKPowKxMr51gDxGPnjVY9qKqy ~5,020 Mhs
- 13VGSdtCSYAqrp8Cp2v3jhMD9gFdJaDAHV ~1,520 Mhs
so it does not look like miners shifted to boostpool, simply there are 2 big miners in boostpool

As I've clearly stated before, that's based on BoostPool's REPORTED numbers, the numbers YOU and I SEE.

The issue has to do with what we DON'T SEE.


AGAIN, look at total blocks found, multiply by the block reward, then look at actual payouts, and subtract them.


The hashrates being reported to the outside world are a fraud.

[HR]

Please refresh your browsers before quoting my last post comparing BoostPool payouts to its mining proceeds.

There were a couple of typos.

Thanks.

[istvandv]

ok using math and tangible verifiable actual data
- blocks 185048 to 185247 have 38 groestl blocks
- of the 38 groestl blocks, 9 are found by Cryptopoolmining or 23.68%
- of the 38 groestl blocks, 29 are found by Boostpool or 76.32%
- Cryptopoolmining pool hash rate is 2,248.594 MHs
- therefore Boostpool hash is 7,247.16 MHs

As I've clearly stated before, that's based on BoostPool's REPORTED numbers, the numbers YOU and I SEE.

The issue has to do with what we DON'T SEE.


AGAIN, look at total blocks found, multiply by the block reward, then look at actual payouts, and subtract them.


The hashrates being reported to the outside world are a fraud.

i did not even look at boostpool stats, all i did was look at block explorer stats and cryptopool hashrate and determined from that the boostpool hash rate using math as you suggested

[HR]

ok using math and tangible verifiable actual data
- blocks 185048 to 185247 have 38 groestl blocks
- of the 38 groestl blocks, 9 are found by Cryptopoolmining or 23.68%
- of the 38 groestl blocks, 29 are found by Boostpool or 76.32%
- Cryptopoolmining pool hash rate is 2,248.594 MHs
- therefore Boostpool hash is 7,247.16 MHs

As I've clearly stated before, that's based on BoostPool's REPORTED numbers, the numbers YOU and I SEE.

The issue has to do with what we DON'T SEE.


AGAIN, look at total blocks found, multiply by the block reward, then look at actual payouts, and subtract them.


The hashrates being reported to the outside world are a fraud.

i did not even look at boostpool stats, all i did was look at block explorer stats and cryptopool hashrate and determined from that the boostpool hash rate using math as you suggested

Bird's P2Pool has a much closer to the truth network hashrate. Start with that number, and then subtract the hashrates for the 4 honest pools and you'll have an estimate for BoostPool that is much closer to its real hashrate and not the fraudulent hashrate being reported.

Of course, that's very basic, and a look at payouts to match mining proceeds is much more reliable. You can also then work backwards from block discovery numbers to confirm those basic findings.

[istvandv]

This guy is really making me sick. Everything for his own benefits  
Digibyte did the multi-algo upgrade for a fare distribution of mining.
This is not fare in any direction.

We need to deal with scrxxx & his multipool. ASAP!


What options do we have?

Report to Bitcointalk
Get the word out about scrxxx and his actions.
Attack his pool

Delete the groestl algorithm???   (Last,last,last option!)

Or we need to make a miner wich mine with the same efficacity than scrxxx miner...
We could make a reward for someone who give a good miner with source code... it's another idea. But it can take a bit too long time.

Pallas was able to make an optimized miner for groestl.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=779598

Maybe he can make one for myr-groestl too, im no miner developer but think it will be easier to port it cause there is already groestl code?

srcxxx has actually recommended to use pallas optimized miner in GRS ANN:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=525926.msg8788424#msg8788424

[24hralttrade]

This guy is really making me sick. Everything for his own benefits  
Digibyte did the multi-algo upgrade for a fare distribution of mining.
This is not fare in any direction.

We need to deal with scrxxx & his multipool. ASAP!


What options do we have?

Report to Bitcointalk
Get the word out about scrxxx and his actions.
Attack his pool

Delete the groestl algorithm???   (Last,last,last option!)

Or we need to make a miner wich mine with the same efficacity than scrxxx miner...
We could make a reward for someone who give a good miner with source code... it's another idea. But it can take a bit too long time.

Pallas was able to make an optimized miner for groestl.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=779598

Maybe he can make one for myr-groestl too, im no miner developer but think it will be easier to port it cause there is already groestl code?

srcxxx has actually recommended to use pallas optimized miner in GRS ANN:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=525926.msg8788424#msg8788424

I think you mean Digibyte-groestl instead of myr-groestl?

[HR]

Can I kindly get your hashrate to payout numbers, and miner and algo switch that you are using for Groestl?

Nothing more than that.

Please post numbers for at least the last 24 hours. A 48 hour period would be great. 7 days would also be welcomed. All three would be fantastic! (You can save a csv file from the transactions page of your wallet, open it with Excel or OpenOffice Calc, eliminate all transactions except mining proceeds, sum them up, divide by the number of days for your sample period, then divide that by your total average MH/s, and you'll have your DGB per 1 MH/s per day numbers to report.)

This would be a great help and my many thanks in advance to everyone who takes the time to share.

My 24 hour rolling average was around 312 DGB a day for each 1 MH/s of hash until a couple of days ago. We had technical difficulties at one pool that skewed my figures for the last couple of days (lower), but now I'm on a 225 DGB a day rate (more or less - I plan to do some better analysis this weekend . . . hence my petition for you to share your numbers as well).

Thanks again.

[24hralttrade]

Sorry HR i'm not a miner,

I did  send a pm to mprep, the mod of this thread/forum with the information you provided.
Maybe he can do something to just alert people.

thank you!

[istvandv]

I think you mean Digibyte-groestl instead of myr-groestl?

I understand you are not a miner.

The kernel that DGB-groestl algo uses is same as myr-groestl.

example when mining using AMD you run
sgminer.exe -k myriadcoin-groestl

or when mining using NVIDIA
ccminer.exe --algo=myr-gr

[24hralttrade]

I think you mean Digibyte-groestl instead of myr-groestl?

I understand you are not a miner.

The kernel that DGB-groestl algo uses is same as myr-groestl.

example when mining using AMD you run
sgminer.exe -k myriadcoin-groestl

or when mining using NVIDIA
ccminer.exe --algo=myr-gr

Thank you for the explenation!
Sort of new in the mining world and trying to understand everything.  There is allot to know about    step by step i will get there!

[istvandv]

Can I kindly get your hashrate to payout numbers, and miner and algo switch that you are using for Groestl?

Nothing more than that.

Please post numbers for at least the last 24 hours. A 48 hour period would be great. 7 days would also be welcomed. All three would be fantastic! (You can save a csv file from the transactions page of your wallet, open it with Excel or OpenOffice Calc, eliminate all transactions except mining proceeds, sum them up, divide by the number of days for your sample period, then divide that by your total average MH/s, and you'll have your DGB per 1 MH/s per day numbers to report.)

This would be a great help and my many thanks in advance to everyone who takes the time to share.

My 24 hour rolling average was around 312 DGB a day for each 1 MH/s of hash until a couple of days ago. We had technical difficulties at one pool that skewed my figures for the last couple of days (lower), but now I'm on a 225 DGB a day rate (more or less - I plan to do some better analysis this weekend . . . hence my petition for you to share your numbers as well).

Thanks again.

I can help providing data by switching back my miner to grs-sgminer on cryptohunger and get back 24 and 48 hrs after.
My GPU is AMD 7850 1GB ram
on sgminer my hashrate is 10.1 Mhs
on grs-sgminer my displayed hashrate is 13.1 Mhs

in the meantime, here is partial data, mined for 12 hours (10:57pm to 10:35am) and got 3,280 DGB
3280 DGB / 13.1 = 250.38 DGB / MHs in 12 hrs (500 DGB / 1 Mhs / day)

[ReSl]

I can provide stable data for Qubit CPU mining.
I mine with normal desktop CPU 4 cores active. 24/h
Core I5 3rd generation.
My income ist around 600 DGB per day.
Very low, but this machine has to run 24/7 and i dont pay electricity.
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Data from cryptopoolmining.com with GRS algo is coming this weekend.
3x 7950 with grs-sgminer1_4_0 on myriadcoin-groest algo.

[bogglor]

Can I kindly get your hashrate to payout numbers, and miner and algo switch that you are using for Groestl?

Nothing more than that.

Please post numbers for at least the last 24 hours. A 48 hour period would be great. 7 days would also be welcomed. All three would be fantastic! (You can save a csv file from the transactions page of your wallet, open it with Excel or OpenOffice Calc, eliminate all transactions except mining proceeds, sum them up, divide by the number of days for your sample period, then divide that by your total average MH/s, and you'll have your DGB per 1 MH/s per day numbers to report.)

This would be a great help and my many thanks in advance to everyone who takes the time to share.

My 24 hour rolling average was around 312 DGB a day for each 1 MH/s of hash until a couple of days ago. We had technical difficulties at one pool that skewed my figures for the last couple of days (lower), but now I'm on a 225 DGB a day rate (more or less - I plan to do some better analysis this weekend . . . hence my petition for you to share your numbers as well).

Thanks again.

I aimed my two 7850s at the groestl cryptopoolmining pool today, Linux - Ubuntu 12.04, sph-sgminer 4.1.0-103-g00015

Code:

$ cat gpuGR
export DISPLAY=:0
export GPU_MAX_ALLOC_PERCENT=100
export GPU_USE_SYNC_OBJECTS=1
/home/xxxxxx/sk/sph-sgminer/sgminer -k myriadcoin-groestl \
-o stratum+tcp://eu1.cryptopoolmining.com:5017 -u bogglor.gr -p x \
2> ~/gpulogGR.`date +%s`

engine 1100
memory 1250
intensity 20 (out of a 31 maximum)
I have around 10.9 MH/s
over an 8 hour period I got 1062.78924113 DGB
Comes out to about 292.5 DGB per day per MH

[ReSl]

I aimed my two 7850s at the groestl cryptopoolmining pool today, Linux - Ubuntu 12.04, sph-sgminer 4.1.0-103-g00015

Code:

$ cat gpuGR
export DISPLAY=:0
export GPU_MAX_ALLOC_PERCENT=100
export GPU_USE_SYNC_OBJECTS=1
/home/xxxxxx/sk/sph-sgminer/sgminer -k myriadcoin-groestl \
-o stratum+tcp://eu1.cryptopoolmining.com:5017 -u bogglor.gr -p x \
2> ~/gpulogGR.`date +%s`

engine 1100
memory 1250
intensity 20 (out of a 31 maximum)
I have around 10.9 MH/s
over an 8 hour period I got 1062.78924113 DGB
Comes out to about 292.5 DGB per day per MH

Thx for posting. Get your Memory down. I got it at 600. AMD can downclock to 150. Just play with your Bios.
In advance you can put your engine up to 1150... maybe 1200 depends if you want to downclock the voltage of your card as well.
Im running 3x 7950 @ 1.081 voltage and stable clock @ 1200
Do you have a link for compiled sph-sgminer 4.1.0 version for win7 to test?

[ReSl]

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NEW exchange open.
http://www.coldcryptos.com/
THIS IS STILL BETA.
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Short review.
I could register.
I could do deposit.
I place an order.
Trades:
DGB/BTC
DGB/Dogecoin
DGB/Litecoin
lot of other altcoins.....


Till now:
Only hotwallets
Very low volume till now.


Maybe someone will check it out as well. Have fun @ trading!

[bogglor]

Thx for posting. Get your Memory down. I got it at 600. AMD can downclock to 150. Just play with your Bios.
In advance you can put your engine up to 1150... maybe 1200 depends if you want to downclock the voltage of your card as well.
Im running 3x 7950 @ 1.081 voltage and stable clock @ 1200
Do you have a link for compiled sph-sgminer 4.1.0 version for win7 to test?

I tweaked it a little bit, it won't seem to let me set the memory speed more than 150 less than engine.
at 1100 engine, I couldn't go lower than 950 memory, it would keep resetting to 1200
at 1120 engine, I couldn't go lower than 970 memory, it would keep resetting to 1200

here's my current GPU stats:
GPU 0: 5.6 / 5.5 Mh/s | A:2167  R:22  HW:0  U:3.14/m  I:20  xI:0  rI:0
63.0 C  F: 64% (2794 RPM)  E: 1120 MHz  M: 970 Mhz  V: 1.075V  A: 99%  P: 0%
Last initialised: [2014-09-19 07:31:44]
Thread 0: 5.6 Mh/s Enabled ALIVE

GPU 1: 5.5 / 5.4 Mh/s | A:2182  R:18  HW:0  U:3.16/m  I:20  xI:0  rI:0
60.0 C  F: 47% (1530 RPM)  E: 1120 MHz  M: 970 Mhz  V: 1.138V  A: 99%  P: 0%
Last initialised: [2014-09-19 07:31:44]
Thread 1: 5.5 Mh/s Enabled ALIVE

[ReSl]

Thx for posting. Get your Memory down. I got it at 600. AMD can downclock to 150. Just play with your Bios.
In advance you can put your engine up to 1150... maybe 1200 depends if you want to downclock the voltage of your card as well.
Im running 3x 7950 @ 1.081 voltage and stable clock @ 1200
Do you have a link for compiled sph-sgminer 4.1.0 version for win7 to test?

I tweaked it a little bit, it won't seem to let me set the memory speed more than 150 less than engine.
at 1100 engine, I couldn't go lower than 950 memory, it would keep resetting to 1200
at 1120 engine, I couldn't go lower than 970 memory, it would keep resetting to 1200

here's my current GPU stats:
GPU 0: 5.6 / 5.5 Mh/s | A:2167  R:22  HW:0  U:3.14/m  I:20  xI:0  rI:0
63.0 C  F: 64% (2794 RPM)  E: 1120 MHz  M: 970 Mhz  V: 1.075V  A: 99%  P: 0%
Last initialised: [2014-09-19 07:31:44]
Thread 0: 5.6 Mh/s Enabled ALIVE

GPU 1: 5.5 / 5.4 Mh/s | A:2182  R:18  HW:0  U:3.16/m  I:20  xI:0  rI:0
60.0 C  F: 47% (1530 RPM)  E: 1120 MHz  M: 970 Mhz  V: 1.138V  A: 99%  P: 0%
Last initialised: [2014-09-19 07:31:44]
Thread 1: 5.5 Mh/s Enabled ALIVE

I think at 1120 engine and 970 memory is the MAX.
I just checked results on other pages. Just have a look.
http://myriad.theblockexplorer.com/help.php
http://www.reddit.com/r/myriadcoin/comments/242jg9/myriadcoin_mining_hardware_comparison_list_please/
Sorry but you have to read a bit. Ive done the same with my cards Thats the problem. Getting the rigth settings for your card its not as easy at as it seems.
On the other hand you wrote you have a 7850s model. S stands for smaler model?