I appreciate your opinion and thank you for taking the time. With that in mind, please don't misunderstand my very short response – it is by no way a slight of hand, rather it is just a reflection of my desire to stay with what really seems important, to me anyway.
Lol I tend to write a lot but your response didn't look that short
Let me premit this, as I see you seem worried about this point the most, it's (obviously) not an official "digibyte flagship" operation, nor I'm trying to market it as such. It's me and other 4 (so far) digibyte fellows putting some time and money behind this operation. It's a "from the community to the community" operation. I gather digibyte is supportive of this, go back to page 636 and you read
This is awesome to see the community rallying together! We are working hard on numerous things as we speak. We definitely would contribute some DGB toward a giveaway! .
I think I see where you're coming from, I also tend to shun the "do something eye-catching whatever it is" kind of action. You may not believe it but I'm not the kind of person who runs naked at the stadium to raise awareness about global warming
. However I stand by my pont that the tipping can only either have nil effect or be beneficial. It doesn't cost me too much so I'll go ahead.
I totally disagree. It takes a lifetime to earn a customer, and about 5 seconds to lose him/her. You're going nowhere fast if you lose him/her before you get him/her.
I must say you have a point here. It takes more to gain reputation than to tranish it. But to tranish a coin's reputation (for buisness anyways) the only ways (imo) are:
Convince people it's a scam (either heavily premined or pump and dumped every other day).
Convince people that the network may crumble any moment.
Convince people that the devs might be unable to respond to critical issues.
Convince people that the distribution method anytime at the arbitrion of the devs (eg change the block's rewards against the schedule).
Convince people that using such coin wil link them to criminal acivity (there still is the lingering myth that BTC is linked to money laundry and drug deling).
This is to tranish the reputation
of the coin. If ever people get convinced that a certain suchPotato and his gang of friends are nuts that'll hardly affect the coin per-se.
the illusion that some big players will come and back digibyte just because of the tech is ridiculous
This is one of DGB's main stated long term goals
what does digibyte give more than the others?
Again, one must look at the principal goals put forth by the Devs to have an appropriate answer. I'm not going to repeat what can be found on the OP and in DigiByte's multiple post – it's there for anyone who wants to read it – but I will say that the difference is measured in light years.
ok, this is actually a big deal. I don't know what's your job or occupation and I suppose you've seen a different world than I did. I speak from observation of the IT field and some other stuff, I've seen plenty of great technologies fall into oblivion because of lack of interest, plenty of overmarketed crap actually take the place of established and efficient tecnologies.
Speaking of crypto we have NXT, mastercoin, counteparty and its clones, etc that offer planty more than traditional coins did, where does their adoption stand? We have seen the ascent of ripple and bitshares, must say I don't really get their mechanism full well, but ripple seems to be pretty much a trust-based network, and bitshares' wild employment of derivatives looks, to me, a recipe for failure.
We've seen the rise of dogecoin, which really offers nothing new technologically, the hype for monero, which only matters for miners from what it seems (or so to day, it does not matter).
And after all this who comes up as the ruler of crypto? Bitcoin! the oldest and most obsolete among the players in the game.
Are you really sure that digibyte's digishield, multialgorithm and somewhat faster transactions are enough? Well, for what may matter to you, if it was just for this I wouldn't put a penny on digibyte. The devs baking it make a bigger factor in my calculus, the fact digibyte's already known as the one who helped dogecoin and other coins with the digishield is the bigger factor for me. So digibyte's known as an advanced coin with a friendly outlook to other coins, and therefore it may gather community, attention, and simpathy.
getting tipped instead is much more fun
And I'm talking about serious business.
We are privates, we are not "digibyte"
Again, I'm talking about serious business, and, as such, this is a DigiByte proposal, not a pass-the-hat and see what we can do as a community proposal.
As I said, buisness isn't supposed to come and grab tips, that's pretty obvious. A buisnessman may pass by and choose that digibyte is the kind of coin he wants to invest in, which is an merely added bonus. I don't see a reason why any "serious buisness" may opt out of a coin because said coin is being used in giveaways. Also this is not even the main point, the giveaways may as well just attract some 15 year old kids, but if said kids have their parents buy them some stuff trough digibyte that's good enough for buisnesses to start accepting DGB.
Besides any serious and established cryptocoin buisness may as well do some tippings on its own to grab some customers, weselldoges did 2 1 milion dogecoin giveaways after reopening, moolah keeps doing milion doge giveaways from time to time.
You don't like their practices? fine, but they're actual buisnesses, dealing with milions of dollars. (To be fair they mostly deal in dogecoins but I guess you can find similar policies outside of dogecoin).
giveaway is nice cheap and does not imply any silliness
I'd say foolishness rather than silliness. But, hey, each to his own – if you want to give DGB away, I'm not telling you that you can't, only asking that you at least put something serious in your signature and make clear it's private and not official DGB.
Well, I can do that, my signature is empty after all.
But you should see some examples about this so called "foolishness". Tesa motors, not too long ago, released its patents with the motto "all our patents are belong to you", an old, and pretty lame nerdy pun. Bill gates made a gag with window xp crashing at its vista presentation, to show hom much better vista was (if I'm not mistaken he did this with other os launches too), that's another quite cheap trick. Nokia official facebook page often comes out with jokes like "break a samsung". And the list is long, even the biggest enterprises do "silly stuff" to get some attention. I'm talking about official stuff, not fanmade!
now about your "think big" idea, I guess you threw it there as an example, but the probe is it can't work
Jeez, now you're getting aggressive (maybe I should edit my start to this response). You're right about the example, and very dogmatic about your declaration that it can't work. Wow. Now that's definitive! When reading your reasoning, my first question is to ask who are we to tell other people what to do once they've bought and benefit from the discount. What are you going to tell the people you tip? Are you really going to worry about that? Have you even thought about it.
The price change would not be blunt by any stretch of the imagination (unless you really think we'll have 100 people stampeding together to buy maximum allotments), and your forex intervention example is really a bit wild and completely unrelated to say the least.
Hmm ok, a limited promotion may actually be workable. I didn't mean to be aggressive btw, where'd you get that from?
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However I fail to see how this is any less of a "stupid gimmic" than my tipping is. In fact by putting little but "real" money behind the exchange you're making it a "get little money" event rather than a mere "attract people" event, IMO. For what matters, if you chose this path, I'd suggest to give the money to buisnesses that chose to accept DGB and comply to certain terms, that's a more effective way to do it.
To elaborate on the "little money" deal, at events they give you a t-shirt you're probably gonna throw away rather than the 3$ it's worth, cause it's better to give a symbolic gift than a ridiculous sum of money.
Also, DGB goes up and down 10% in a few hours, is it really worth to buy DGB at a 10% discount if they may fall more than 10% before you can change? see it as a non-digibyter, one who cares nothing for the coin, where's the incentive?
Last but not least, a giveaway needs 5$ to be effective, your promotion needs 1k$, and I seriously wonder how many people it will reach. Then again if you want to do it do it, I don't see any problem with that. (mind however that 1k$ worth of DGB etxra dropped on an exchange will cause the value to go down a lot, albeit temporarily).
I hope you get off it soon, because, my friend, like it or not, this IS A BUSINESS, and if you're looking for a place to play and have fun, you've got hundreds of other possibilities. Why preach here? And please don't call us shibes. Again, there are lots of playgrounds where you can go . . .
well so far I've got a few positive responses an equal number of silent ignores, and
one negative feedback. So nah, I'm not going away yet
I use "shibe" as short for "dogecoin enthusiast" they call themselves that.
It'll "impose" DGB as the one most organized and generous community in the crypto world, sort of a dogecoin more mature big brother.
While “impose” is a very poorly chosen word, the essence of what I think you want to say is what I'd call a pipe-dream if there ever was one. What? We need to give away DBG to show we're good people? And who even cares? It's not about if you're a nice guy our not,
it's about if what you have to offer really protects investors' wealth or not. (Or was that completely over your head?)
suchPotato, I see you're a noob (although I suspect that this is not you're first nick), and that you've only posted here. What's your purpose here, with your cute little shibe name, and your grand illusion to undermine and degrade DGB?
In fact I used the " for "impose", and this is my first nick, although I've come plenty times on bitcointalk I never registered or posted. I care, I believe DGB has potential and think I can help bring it out. I don't see how my behavior can damage the community, it's certainly not my intention.
I registered as suchPotato on reddit and brought the nick here, don't want to fool anybody.
Actually I wanted to clarify this too, I'm not trying to hijack anything, not trying to defrudate the "elder" digibyters, I'm just trying to give a push the right way. You think it's the wrong way, others think it's the right one. I disagree with your ways, if all of the community and the devs agreed with your "zero sum PR" ways, I'd just leave, not cause "my grand plan failed" but because I believe your ways would fail, and don't want to lose money (well, you don't say?), am I wrong, perhaps, to each his own I guess.
