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Author Topic: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency  (Read 9722523 times)
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November 23, 2014, 02:23:29 AM
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It's because of last version of wallet. It's filling debug.log very quickly so it is possible to fill your hard up. Restart the daemon and debug.log will start from 0.

Ah, thank you so much!  I will destroy that debug log, LOL.  Actually, it could also be because I was running a testnet masternode... I'm gonna try expanding my storage, wonder how much that will cost?  Maybe the cost will be offset due to Evan's sleeker communications, which should have reduced my band width??

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November 23, 2014, 02:59:18 AM
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OK, but the devil is always in the detail.  What's going to be the actual impact of moving to this solution?  Thinking of all the moving parts, what is the journey we would need to go on to end up with a scenario such as that?

Is the cost and impact of this journey less than all the benefits gained?

The actual impact is that we would no longer have all our Darkcoin vulnerable to the 'security' of 3 servers.

Evan is going the right way I think with the block reward structure, and assuming InstanTX works reliably dependence on miners is going to diminish greatly, but as long as blocks can be generated by centralised pools the coin remains intrinsically insecure.

The cost of my proposed solution is a rewrite of the p2pool code to make sure it can cope with the demands placed upon it and to include privkeys for each p2pool node, with a corresponding check on the Masternode side. Whatever that cost is, within reason, it's worth it IMO to have an actually decentralised consensus system with no easily targeted centralised points of failure.

What are your DRK going to be worth if those 3 servers ever get compromised? Bugger all, very quickly, I think.

Remember not too long ago when the whole PSN got taken down for weeks by a few script kiddies from 4chan? Do you really think a serious adversary is going to struggle with a few shitty mpos servers? Assuming some unpleasant people don't just come physically knocking at the door.
I certainly don't have the credentials to weigh in on any specific solution, but on a purely philosophic level have to agree with the Crouton (lonely though he be), that this is a serious problem that needs to be addressed. I am most concerned about what is behind door number three, namely " some unpleasant people... just come physically knocking at the door." As I alluded to earlier.

Whether the solution is the one thelonecrouton proposes, or the earlier mentioned tendermint (http://tendermint.com/docs/tendermint.pdf), or something else; I do not know. I do however, think that the originality brought to the table by Evan and the rest of the crew is more than up to the challenge. I also suspect that the Master Node concept and existing infrastructure, uniquely positions DRK to deal with this problem.  I understand that instanTX is in the works and needs to be brought to completion, but strongly believe that the mining pool situation, and IP obfuscation need to be next, or at least very high, on the list of priorities.

Those knocks on the door might be closer than we think.

Oh, and while I have my tinfoil hat on, an early job for any DRK foundation should be to purchase ... (ed. redacted lest it give the wrong people ideas. ;-)

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November 23, 2014, 03:12:02 AM
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OK, but the devil is always in the detail.  What's going to be the actual impact of moving to this solution?  Thinking of all the moving parts, what is the journey we would need to go on to end up with a scenario such as that?

Is the cost and impact of this journey less than all the benefits gained?

The actual impact is that we would no longer have all our Darkcoin vulnerable to the 'security' of 3 servers.

Evan is going the right way I think with the block reward structure, and assuming InstanTX works reliably dependence on miners is going to diminish greatly, but as long as blocks can be generated by centralised pools the coin remains intrinsically insecure.

The cost of my proposed solution is a rewrite of the p2pool code to make sure it can cope with the demands placed upon it and to include privkeys for each p2pool node, with a corresponding check on the Masternode side. Whatever that cost is, within reason, it's worth it IMO to have an actually decentralised consensus system with no easily targeted centralised points of failure.

What are your DRK going to be worth if those 3 servers ever get compromised? Bugger all, very quickly, I think.

Remember not too long ago when the whole PSN got taken down for weeks by a few script kiddies from 4chan? Do you really think a serious adversary is going to struggle with a few shitty mpos servers? Assuming some unpleasant people don't just come physically knocking at the door.

You're a smart guy crouton, how about you have a crack at what the development and testing of new p2pool code would cost?  Whilst also thinking about the entire DRK ecosystem and how this change would impact all the moving parts?

If the benefits clearly outweigh the costs, I'll be the first to help you in any way I can.

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November 23, 2014, 07:56:30 AM
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Darkcoin TV
is live on YouTube !!
Please like and share ...>
http://www.youtube.com/user/DarkcoinTV

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Any complains, suggestions or other ideas, please PM me at DCT !
I tried to keep upto date with Tx to .. + tipping addresses (georgem !!)
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November 23, 2014, 08:06:05 AM
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100 blocks left - 30% MN payouts we are coming Grin --> block 17439

https://github.com/darkcoin/darkcoin/blob/master/src/main.cpp#L1415


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November 23, 2014, 08:19:57 AM
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Darkcoin TV
is live on YouTube !!
Please like and share ...>
http://www.youtube.com/user/DarkcoinTV

 Grin Cool Grin

Any complains, suggestions or other ideas, please PM me at DCT !
I tried to keep upto date with Tx to .. + tipping addresses (georgem !!)


Hi Tungfa, thanks for setting up the channel.
However, I would remove at least Darkcoin Minions and Darkcoined explained fast.
If I was a prospective investor interested to enter the darkcoin - these would just annoy me. Darkcoin Minions advertise Open Source - someting that almost every single crypto has = useless. Darkcoin explained fast is - well - too fast to be comprehend by outsiders and outdated.

It is better not to have a promo video than to have a lousy one - having said that we should finally finance the promo video - but may have to wait for instantx to work as that will set a totally different flavour to the coin
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November 23, 2014, 10:07:21 AM
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Darkcoin TV
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Please like and share ...>
http://www.youtube.com/user/DarkcoinTV

 Grin Cool Grin

Any complains, suggestions or other ideas, please PM me at DCT !
I tried to keep upto date with Tx to .. + tipping addresses (georgem !!)


Hi Tungfa, thanks for setting up the channel.
However, I would remove at least Darkcoin Minions and Darkcoined explained fast.
If I was a prospective investor interested to enter the darkcoin - these would just annoy me. Darkcoin Minions advertise Open Source - someting that almost every single crypto has = useless. Darkcoin explained fast is - well - too fast to be comprehend by outsiders and outdated.

It is better not to have a promo video than to have a lousy one - having said that we should finally finance the promo video - but may have to wait for instantx to work as that will set a totally different flavour to the coin

I totally agree
took it off !

Tx
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anybody has an idea how (easiest way) I can record this video (incl sound) onto my Mac to use it for YouTube Huh?
or somebody can send me a youtube link to this ?

http://www.businessweek.com/videos/2014-11-06/can-bitcoin-stocks-hold-up-against-the-feds

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anybody has an idea how (easiest way) I can record this video (incl sound) onto my Mac to use it for YouTube Huh?
or somebody can send me a youtube link to this ?

http://www.businessweek.com/videos/2014-11-06/can-bitcoin-stocks-hold-up-against-the-feds

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November 23, 2014, 10:42:01 AM
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anybody has an idea how (easiest way) I can record this video (incl sound) onto my Mac to use it for YouTube Huh?
or somebody can send me a youtube link to this ?

http://www.businessweek.com/videos/2014-11-06/can-bitcoin-stocks-hold-up-against-the-feds

Tx
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Doen't work !!
the video is in flash! so i have to screen record it i guess ?!
 Huh
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November 23, 2014, 10:46:15 AM
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anybody has an idea how (easiest way) I can record this video (incl sound) onto my Mac to use it for YouTube Huh?
or somebody can send me a youtube link to this ?

http://www.businessweek.com/videos/2014-11-06/can-bitcoin-stocks-hold-up-against-the-feds

Tx
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Doen't work !!
the video is in flash! so i have to screen record it i guess ?!
 Huh
I can download .flv, mp4 format from various sites with it.
I'll try

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November 23, 2014, 10:47:30 AM
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anybody has an idea how (easiest way) I can record this video (incl sound) onto my Mac to use it for YouTube Huh?
or somebody can send me a youtube link to this ?

http://www.businessweek.com/videos/2014-11-06/can-bitcoin-stocks-hold-up-against-the-feds

Tx
If you can use firefox on mac, get a 'dawnload helper' plugin

Doen't work !!
the video is in flash! so i have to screen record it i guess ?!
 Huh
I can download .flv, mp4 format from various sites with it.
I'll try

please !!
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November 23, 2014, 10:55:24 AM
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anybody has an idea how (easiest way) I can record this video (incl sound) onto my Mac to use it for YouTube Huh?
or somebody can send me a youtube link to this ?

http://www.businessweek.com/videos/2014-11-06/can-bitcoin-stocks-hold-up-against-the-feds

Tx
If you can use firefox on mac, get a 'dawnload helper' plugin

Doen't work !!
the video is in flash! so i have to screen record it i guess ?!
 Huh
I can download .flv, mp4 format from various sites with it.
I'll try

please !!
I downloaded it from here https://screen.yahoo.com/bitcoin-stocks-hold-against-feds-212227578.html
Wait until it starts stream

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November 23, 2014, 11:10:55 AM
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OK, but the devil is always in the detail.  What's going to be the actual impact of moving to this solution?  Thinking of all the moving parts, what is the journey we would need to go on to end up with a scenario such as that?

Is the cost and impact of this journey less than all the benefits gained?

The actual impact is that we would no longer have all our Darkcoin vulnerable to the 'security' of 3 servers.

Evan is going the right way I think with the block reward structure, and assuming InstanTX works reliably dependence on miners is going to diminish greatly, but as long as blocks can be generated by centralised pools the coin remains intrinsically insecure.

The cost of my proposed solution is a rewrite of the p2pool code to make sure it can cope with the demands placed upon it and to include privkeys for each p2pool node, with a corresponding check on the Masternode side. Whatever that cost is, within reason, it's worth it IMO to have an actually decentralised consensus system with no easily targeted centralised points of failure.

What are your DRK going to be worth if those 3 servers ever get compromised? Bugger all, very quickly, I think.

Remember not too long ago when the whole PSN got taken down for weeks by a few script kiddies from 4chan? Do you really think a serious adversary is going to struggle with a few shitty mpos servers? Assuming some unpleasant people don't just come physically knocking at the door.

You're a smart guy crouton, how about you have a crack at what the development and testing of new p2pool code would cost?  Whilst also thinking about the entire DRK ecosystem and how this change would impact all the moving parts?

If the benefits clearly outweigh the costs, I'll be the first to help you in any way I can.


If we address this decentralization issues, and with the instant transactions ready to be solved, Darkcoin will be 2 steps ahead Bitcoin in no time.   Cool
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November 23, 2014, 11:20:40 AM
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If we address this decentralization issues, and with de instant transactions ready to be solved, Darkcoin will be 2 steps ahead Bitcoin in no time.   Cool


Regarding P2P mining - true but:
1) it is not simple and it would take a lot of time to properly implement
2) No one really volunteers to do it
3) we would have to deal with the DUST. Huge amount of dust will bloat the blockchain and slow down the whole system

InstantX is a priority in my eyes.
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November 23, 2014, 11:46:53 AM
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100 blocks left - 30% MN payouts we are coming Grin --> block 17439

https://github.com/darkcoin/darkcoin/blob/master/src/main.cpp#L1415



i'm confused now, i thought its from block 175280 we are receiving that 30% ?

if(nHeight > 158000+((576*30)*1)) ret += blockValue / 20;  //30.0%  - 2014-11-23

---> 158000 + 17280 = 175280 ?? which makes it still some 800 blocks to go from current block ?





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November 23, 2014, 11:52:48 AM
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November 23, 2014, 11:56:52 AM
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YESSSS !
Well well done !
all worked and got it !
Tx man
super cool !
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November 23, 2014, 12:27:10 PM
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100 blocks left - 30% MN payouts we are coming Grin --> block 17439

https://github.com/darkcoin/darkcoin/blob/master/src/main.cpp#L1415



i'm confused now, i thought its from block 175280 we are receiving that 30% ?

if(nHeight > 158000+((576*30)*1)) ret += blockValue / 20;  //30.0%  - 2014-11-23

---> 158000 + 17280 = 175280 ?? which makes it still some 800 blocks to go from current block ?






Bummer, it was to early in the morning for me, it is 175281 of course... sorry Smiley

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November 23, 2014, 12:49:25 PM
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100 blocks left - 30% MN payouts we are coming Grin --> block 17439

https://github.com/darkcoin/darkcoin/blob/master/src/main.cpp#L1415



i'm confused now, i thought its from block 175280 we are receiving that 30% ?

if(nHeight > 158000+((576*30)*1)) ret += blockValue / 20;  //30.0%  - 2014-11-23

---> 158000 + 17280 = 175280 ?? which makes it still some 800 blocks to go from current block ?


Bummer, it was to early in the morning for me, it is 175281 of course... sorry Smiley

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I did the maths even myself, so 1,43 day to go ..... I`m soooo exciting Cheesy



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