[NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread

[utopianfuture]

Hi all Nemster, we have 2800 stakeholders. Some are sockpuppets. Some are selling at the first chance they have. But if you decide to stay for a while longer, then let's work to build an awesome community. Let's make NEM a place everyone wants to join in and build up the value of the brand. I am sure we can do that if we work together: developers, writer, marketer, translators, photographers, lawyers, etc. all are welcomed.

I prepared a survey that could help with the planning of marketing and ecosystem infrastructure for NEM and if you decide to stay and help, please fill it out.
   
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1b_8enfEjlP_NtCXlYhUUvcIEgEyhtwgroK9EdWa2vBc/viewform?usp=send_form

This is different from the Swarm list managed by Erkki12. This will be used for a comprehensive strategy that never be seen in the crypto world. (serious).

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[banders]

I almost had a heart attack!!! a few minutes ago I logged in to my next wallet using the security phrase and by my surprise I did have a different ID code and my next and nem stake was not there, it was like a new account and I said....WHERE IS MY PRECIOUS NEM STAKE??? I was panicking not knowing what to do, I said this is a nightmare! I decided to log out and log in using the same security phrase again and this time thanks to GOD the right ID code and my Precious Stake was there!!! did someone experience this?

Use KeePass password manager it works great. It's free and open source. http://keepass.info

Two tips:

To be secured against keyloggers, enable the "Two-channel auto-type obfuscation" checkbox. http://keepass.info/help/v2/autotype_obfuscation.html

When generating a password, enable the "Collect additional entropy" checkbox.

[xtester]

Hi all Nemster, we have 2800 stakeholders. Some are sockpuppets. Some are selling at the first chance they have. But if you decide to stay for a while longer, then let's work to build an awesome community. Let's make NEM a place everyone wants to join in and build up the value of the brand. I am sure we can do that if we work together: developers, writer, marketer, translators, photographers, lawyers, etc. all are welcomed.

I prepared a survey that could help with the planning of marketing and ecosystem infrastructure for NEM and if you decide to stay and help, please fill it out.
   
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1b_8enfEjlP_NtCXlYhUUvcIEgEyhtwgroK9EdWa2vBc/viewform?usp=send_form

This is different from the Swarm list managed by Erkki12. This will be used for a comprehensive strategy that never be seen in the crypto world. (serious).

Good work @utopianfuture. We should make NEM too good to be ignored. Lets do this.

[Eadeqa]

Passwords, lost, stolen, ... the same "old" subjects
place.)

I have never "lost" a password or ever being hacked and I have been around for years.  Lastpass is perfectly safe as encryption is done locally on computer.  Don't do stupid things like click on executable downloadable from untrusted sources. For extra paranoids, I also recommend something like https://www.malwarebytes.org/

I still skip password generators and password managers  When being skeptic enough, nothing in the computer is in safe. At least a copy of the password must be written in paper/wood/rock/younameit in safe place.)

If that makes you happy, be my guest, but that is not good advice. Most humans will never generate more random password than cryptographically secure random generator. Plus for vast majority of people password managers are much safers for several reasons

(1) Users can use unique passwords for each site (very important security step) without having to memorize hundreds of unique passwords. I have over 350 passwords.
(2) The encryption key is derived by key stretching of master password  (thousands of SHA256 operations)  so even if in unlikely scenario vault file  is stolen,  brute force attack would still be very difficult.
(3) The user can enable two factor authentication for extra security
(4) Most password managers have have  some protection against keyloggers (auto fills, two factor authentication, online keypad, one time passwords, etc).
(5) It's easy to backup passwords securely -- losing passwords due to hard drive crash is just bad as getting them stolen.  

The bottom line: Even if a user has very weak master password for password manager, it's highly likely he will still never get hacked. Weak password for Nxt itself means getting hacked immediately 100%

Clip on lastpass security: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_stBixODWf8

[Tompa]

I created a trello card to keep all our language experts in one place: https://trello.com/c/xFYUmQvT

(feel free to add yourself)

I've just recently started using Trello and I would like to join the translation group/card. I would like to help with translating everything that is needed into Croatian.
I don't see an option to add myself to the card and I cannot edit/add anything. Also, why are some cards grey and some white? (Still learning Trello).

[gimre]

http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/stats/map?dates=2014-05-27+to+2014-06-02

Looking at bitcoin client downloads by country should help us to prioritize languages. Recently Vietnam has been at the top. Maybe because of fears of war with their large neighbor.

to have bit better data, you'd probably have to take longer timespan and divide it by country's population using computers (or at least by population) (results would be REALLY interesting to see)

[KingCole]

I almost had a heart attack!!! a few minutes ago I logged in to my next wallet using the security phrase and by my surprise I did have a different ID code and my next and nem stake was not there, it was like a new account and I said....WHERE IS MY PRECIOUS NEM STAKE??? I was panicking not knowing what to do, I said this is a nightmare! I decided to log out and log in using the same security phrase again and this time thanks to GOD the right ID code and my Precious Stake was there!!! did someone experience this?

If  you mistype password that will happen. If you are copying and pasting password from notepad I heard sometimes it adds extra space in the beginning or end.  Use password managers. They are secure and encrypt your passwords locally. The master password for password manager doesn't have to be as long as Nxt password. Just any 10 to 12 char password will be fine.  There is Keypass. I use Lastpass https://lastpass.com/

I switched over to Lastpass a few months ago after reading the NXT posts. I'm soooo happy I did. No going back now. Better security. Cross platform sync.  Much longer and better passwords.

Another vote for LastPass, I have been using it for over a year. I supplement the security of the master password with two factor authentication in the form of a YubiKey (from Yubico). I feel this brings a high level of security and convenience

KC

[jenea4pda]

Hi NEM community,

i quietly follow cryptos for a while and i feel NEM has a high potential to become something big. I guess beside getting a high marketcap it should be our goal to attract more people to NEM. Therefore i prepared a draft of a "bitcoin-paper-wallet" like NEM voucher.
As we have no logo yet it is just a first draft and i will finalize it later.

I am going to print such vouchers, preload them with ~100NEM and bring them into public. I will give them to friends, "forget" them in favorite restaurants, pin them to a black board, give them to people that have nothing to do with cryptos at all etc.
Maybe i will add a "valid until" date an reclaim back all NEM that have not been redeemed within a year or so to be sure that no NEM will be lost in space.
If every stakeholder releases just 10 of this vouchers we can easily reach ~30000 additional people and bring them into NEM.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/t59yx73tyw4pgav/NEM_Voucher1.jpg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/noeultctxi384ig/Printed.jpg


I would like to know if there will be an "import private key" function in the NEM community client and how to create a NEM address key pair for the voucher? Is the proposal for a NEM from the initial development plan still valid and will we use "standard base32" encoded addresses? Maybe the devs can help me with my questions?

Thank you all for your hard work in NEM!

This is Fantastic idea! We need to have this vouchers and exactly in many languages(at least 4 : EN, DE,FR,RU)
Thank You Dear friend for Great Idea!

[zsuhsl]

Hi NEM community,

i quietly follow cryptos for a while and i feel NEM has a high potential to become something big. I guess beside getting a high marketcap it should be our goal to attract more people to NEM. Therefore i prepared a draft of a "bitcoin-paper-wallet" like NEM voucher.
As we have no logo yet it is just a first draft and i will finalize it later.

I am going to print such vouchers, preload them with ~100NEM and bring them into public. I will give them to friends, "forget" them in favorite restaurants, pin them to a black board, give them to people that have nothing to do with cryptos at all etc.
Maybe i will add a "valid until" date an reclaim back all NEM that have not been redeemed within a year or so to be sure that no NEM will be lost in space.
If every stakeholder releases just 10 of this vouchers we can easily reach ~30000 additional people and bring them into NEM.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/t59yx73tyw4pgav/NEM_Voucher1.jpg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/noeultctxi384ig/Printed.jpg


I would like to know if there will be an "import private key" function in the NEM community client and how to create a NEM address key pair for the voucher? Is the proposal for a NEM from the initial development plan still valid and will we use "standard base32" encoded addresses? Maybe the devs can help me with my questions?

Thank you all for your hard work in NEM!

This is Fantastic idea! We need to have this vouchers and exactly in many languages(at least 4 : EN, DE,FR,RU)
Thank You Dear friend for Great Idea!

+1，good idea!

[Soloturn]

As a note, for the ecosystem sites (like the blockchain explorer), we are planning to support multiple languages at the beginning, like English, French, German, Spanish, Chinese, and Japanese.

We need someone good at French and Spanish right now.

If anyone wants more languages, then please volunteer to help translate. I'd really love to get Russian, Czech, Ukrainian, Vietnamese, Thai, Bhutanese, and Nepalese there as well.

Hi! I and other Russian participants want to help with translation into Russian. What we need to do?

[ciappa]

As a note, for the ecosystem sites (like the blockchain explorer), we are planning to support multiple languages at the beginning, like English, French, German, Spanish, Chinese, and Japanese.

We need someone good at French and Spanish right now.

If anyone wants more languages, then please volunteer to help translate. I'd really love to get Russian, Czech, Ukrainian, Vietnamese, Thai, Bhutanese, and Nepalese there as well.

I can help with italian and german if you need

[kryptbeard]

Is there any place I can find the source code for the NEM project?

[Soloturn]

Hi NEM community,

i quietly follow cryptos for a while and i feel NEM has a high potential to become something big. I guess beside getting a high marketcap it should be our goal to attract more people to NEM. Therefore i prepared a draft of a "bitcoin-paper-wallet" like NEM voucher.
As we have no logo yet it is just a first draft and i will finalize it later.

I am going to print such vouchers, preload them with ~100NEM and bring them into public. I will give them to friends, "forget" them in favorite restaurants, pin them to a black board, give them to people that have nothing to do with cryptos at all etc.
Maybe i will add a "valid until" date an reclaim back all NEM that have not been redeemed within a year or so to be sure that no NEM will be lost in space.
If every stakeholder releases just 10 of this vouchers we can easily reach ~30000 additional people and bring them into NEM.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/t59yx73tyw4pgav/NEM_Voucher1.jpg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/noeultctxi384ig/Printed.jpg


I would like to know if there will be an "import private key" function in the NEM community client and how to create a NEM address key pair for the voucher? Is the proposal for a NEM from the initial development plan still valid and will we use "standard base32" encoded addresses? Maybe the devs can help me with my questions?

Thank you all for your hard work in NEM!

This is Fantastic idea! We need to have this vouchers and exactly in many languages(at least 4 : EN, DE,FR,RU)
Thank You Dear friend for Great Idea!

+1，good idea!

It's wonderfull! I'm in!!!

[howi53]

it's a disappointing experience to see that against all expectations of thread members, the price of nemstakes (AE) is steadily decreasing.
I was one of the first buyers and now I have to suffer from my greed.

[mikesbmw]

it's a disappointing experience to see that against all expectations of thread members, the price of nemstakes (AE) is steadily decreasing.
I was one of the first buyers and now I have to suffer from my greed.

Being the first when there is so much anticipation is always a bad idea...

Think of it this way: you saved some other poor soul a lot of NXT 
j/k at least you are in NEM now and it will be worth your while!

[mikesbmw]

As a note, for the ecosystem sites (like the blockchain explorer), we are planning to support multiple languages at the beginning, like English, French, German, Spanish, Chinese, and Japanese.

We need someone good at French and Spanish right now.

If anyone wants more languages, then please volunteer to help translate. I'd really love to get Russian, Czech, Ukrainian, Vietnamese, Thai, Bhutanese, and Nepalese there as well.

I could translate to Dutch.

[Simakki]

it's a disappointing experience to see that against all expectations of thread members, the price of nemstakes (AE) is steadily decreasing.
I was one of the first buyers and now I have to suffer from my greed.

Just wait for the alpha release. No doubt that we will see surge in price  

[TaunSew]

it's a disappointing experience to see that against all expectations of thread members, the price of nemstakes (AE) is steadily decreasing.
I was one of the first buyers and now I have to suffer from my greed.

Volume continues to go up.  It appears it's people dumping their stakes.  This was vaguely expected, considering what people reserved their stakes for, but they'll be gone a lot quicker than say a hypothetical whale who controls a large percentage of a coin and is dumping it no matter what damage it may bring.

[mjrmac]

I almost had a heart attack!!! a few minutes ago I logged in to my next wallet using the security phrase and by my surprise I did have a different ID code and my next and nem stake was not there, it was like a new account and I said....WHERE IS MY PRECIOUS NEM STAKE??? I was panicking not knowing what to do, I said this is a nightmare! I decided to log out and log in using the same security phrase again and this time thanks to GOD the right ID code and my Precious Stake was there!!! did someone experience this?

If  you mistype password that will happen. If you are copying and pasting password from notepad I heard sometimes it adds extra space in the beginning or end.  Use password managers. They are secure and encrypt your passwords locally. The master password for password manager doesn't have to be as long as Nxt password. Just any 10 to 12 char password will be fine.  There is Keypass. I use Lastpass https://lastpass.com/

I switched over to Lastpass a few months ago after reading the NXT posts. I'm soooo happy I did. No going back now. Better security. Cross platform sync.  Much longer and better passwords.

Better security. It can be better, but is it good enough?  
During the last 12 months security, leaks and cracks have been in the news and raised many questions. When also crypto money has increased, it will attract many crackers, to install , in a way or another, their software to your PC's and smart phones. Will it be easy to collect people's passwords? Yes it will.
Another point of view lies in these
http://www.pgp.net/pgpnet/pgp-faq/pgp-faq-security-questions.html#security-against-nsa
http://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2013/12/how-does-nsa-break-ssl.html
https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2012/03/can_the_nsa_bre.html
http://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1k1dug/til_the_inventor_of_pgp_pretty_good_privacy_was/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/06/14/nsa-proof-encryption-exists-why-doesnt-anyone-use-it/
http://www.coinweek.com/featured-news/bitcoin-vs-government-issued-fiat-money/
http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/indiana-state-government-warns-bitcoin-investors/2014/05/14

If there will be a war between cryptos and fiat, it may be a secret war, because it is not a good sign if governments try to strike people's attempts to freedom. The war will be executed secretly, behind the scenes. An easy way will be to crack some cryptos or make people feel unsecure with their savings.
And passwords

[jabo38]

About NEM wallet logon security, I suggest  just like blockchain Wallet：
1、Wallet ID code
2、Password
3、Google Authenticator
Rather than NXT Wallet, only a secret phrase,Although very long, dozens of character。
In addition, It is easy to remember

Someone already stated that it is very hard to use google authenticator for a blockchain, if not impossible.

The point being, you can block a login to a centralised service with GA, but not a static login like a privat key.

I've been using Google authenticator for a long time, very convenient. As a backup, I will also registered in my IPHONE and IPAD, lost any of them it doesn't matter

Yes, google authenticator is nice. But you can't use it with wallets. You can only use it with services!

Some people have been working on making multisig on an account so when a person sends, they have to have their key, and then use a service (with google authenticator) to release another to key that allows funds to be sent.  This isn't using google authentication in the blockchain, but with multi-sig, it is more or less the same thing.  

I love google authenticator myself.  Everytime I use a service with it, I feel a lot safer.  

In NXT, a very long pass phrase is just as good or even better than a user ID and password.  If they just allow multisig and 2FA, then it is good to go to me.  

That type of thing would be hard to include in the beta of NEM, but hopefully later on it could happen.