Sportsbet.io's English Premier League Football Pool Discussion Thread

[Igebotz]

No, and I already pointed out why not. They only one 2/5 after their first league title, that is not best in the league quality. Those were just league winners at a time when the EPL was looking for the next dominant team after the exit of SAF. They were not the best team in the league until Pep took over and stamped his dominance.

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[cryptofrka]

City were champions 2 times between 2008 and 2016 (without Guardiola) and 5 (potentially 6) times with him. Even if he inherited the best team in the world (which he did not, far from it), it would still be an incredible success to achieve such results.
You're trying to split beans for no real reason, most of you agree anyway that he's one of the best coaches football has ever seen.

SAF's dominance in the early PL era was even bigger, but the EPL then was not nearly as competitive as today.
That probably makes Guardiola the most successful manager overall - but yeah - money that he spent to get there will always be something that will diminish the success by a little bit.

I think the most fair assessment of who overachieved the most would be the net amount spent per points won. In the same period they are in the PL, Guardiola won 716 points with a net spend of 700 mil and Klopp won 671 points with a net spend of 250 mil.

That would say that Klopp is the league's lone overachiever, but then again - most of the trophies went Guardiola's way. The same thing happened in Germany.

[un_rank]

SAF's dominance in the early PL era was even bigger, but the EPL then was not nearly as competitive as today.
That probably makes Guardiola the most successful manager overall - but yeah - money that he spent to get there will always be something that will diminish the success by a little bit.

SAF was very, very dominant during his time. He did face stiff competitions from may top coaches like Wenger with the invincibles and Jose during his first spell with Chelsea.
Overall you are right, the amount of money available to clubs now and the quality of football is much superior to what we had then, but history always has an appeal to it that the now does not have.

I think the most fair assessment of who overachieved the most would be the net amount spent per points won. In the same period they are in the PL, Guardiola won 716 points with a net spend of 700 mil and Klopp won 671 points with a net spend of 250 mil.

That throws a new perspective to it.

- Jay -

[Trofo]

I don't understand why people have the need to put players and managers into the boxes and label them GOATS or whatever. Both Guardiola and Klopp are among the best in the business and I am glad I had the opportunity to watch their teams play. They are both innovators and they are both playing very watchable football.

Than you have guys like Mourinho that have the results but I would never pay a ticket to watch their team play.

Klopp will be missed for sure and not just by Liverpool supporters.

[tokeweed]

City were champions 2 times between 2008 and 2016 (without Guardiola) and 5 (potentially 6) times with him. Even if he inherited the best team in the world (which he did not, far from it), it would still be an incredible success to achieve such results.
You're trying to split beans for no real reason, most of you agree anyway that he's one of the best coaches football has ever seen.

SAF's dominance in the early PL era was even bigger, but the EPL then was not nearly as competitive as today.
That probably makes Guardiola the most successful manager overall - but yeah - money that he spent to get there will always be something that will diminish the success by a little bit.

I think the most fair assessment of who overachieved the most would be the net amount spent per points won. In the same period they are in the PL, Guardiola won 716 points with a net spend of 700 mil and Klopp won 671 points with a net spend of 250 mil.

That would say that Klopp is the league's lone overachiever, but then again - most of the trophies went Guardiola's way. The same thing happened in Germany.

But here's the thing.  If the same amount of money was spent to build a team but the manager isn't as good as Guardiola or Klopp, let's say this manager is just 'decent'...  Would he achieve as much as Guardiola has acheived in his life time?

Some guys could say yes, some guys could say no and I would get it.  But then again that manager could also be given the sack before he's able to achieve what he was set to achieve.  There's so much pressure brought on the manager behind the huge sums spent in the transfer market.  And only a handful of managers in the world have the skill and the wits to handle it...

Even Zidane's exit showed it could take too much toll.

[un_rank]

Klopp will be missed for sure and not just by Liverpool supporters.

He will be. A brilliant manager.

He brought energy and a winner's mentality to Mereyside red and left big boots to be filled by the next manager, that can also get bigger between now and the end of the season. His work at Dortmund was even more impressive.

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[cryptofrka]

But here's the thing.  If the same amount of money was spent to build a team but the manager isn't as good as Guardiola or Klopp, let's say this manager is just 'decent'...  Would he achieve as much as Guardiola has acheived in his life time?

Some guys could say yes, some guys could say no and I would get it.  But then again that manager could also be given the sack before he's able to achieve what he was set to achieve.  There's so much pressure brought on the manager behind the huge sums spent in the transfer market.  And only a handful of managers in the world have the skill and the wits to handle it...

Even Zidane's exit showed it could take too much toll.

Many teams have tried to buy their ticket to success, especially in the PL. That's why I rate Guardiola (and especially Klopp) - United and Chelsea have spent more than City (and far more than Liverpool), Arsenal is close as well.
Both United and Chelsea are still without a long-term plan, without a visible manager signature on the pitch and without any sort of continuation with their results.

If you look at this United team - f%&k me, inheriting this pile of crap and doing something with it is the hardest job in football. You have 25 drastically overvalued players that haven't played a team game in their last 5 years.
The best thing would be to sell them all and just start over - but of course you can't do that. Chelsea tried and it didn't really work out for them.

The proof of a good coach lies in what they leave behind them as well. Klopp will leave Liverpool in a really good spot, and Guardiola will surely do the same.

[swogerino]

At Liverpool he achieved great things and may be at Liverpool will win the title again this year most likely.His work will be remembered as a great one and now the next manager will have a mountain to climb if he wants to win the heart of the heated Liverpool supporters.He needs to become one of them in order to win their hearts.I don't understand this decision but I also don't judge anyone decision to leave a team,maybe he has come to a level where he knows that he has given everything and he feels not anymore motivated to continue,he also ruled out to be coaching a new team in England so I don't know what to think for his future career.

[KTChampions]

City were champions 2 times between 2008 and 2016 (without Guardiola) and 5 (potentially 6) times with him. Even if he inherited the best team in the world (which he did not, far from it), it would still be an incredible success to achieve such results.
You're trying to split beans for no real reason, most of you agree anyway that he's one of the best coaches football has ever seen.

SAF's dominance in the early PL era was even bigger, but the EPL then was not nearly as competitive as today.
That probably makes Guardiola the most successful manager overall - but yeah - money that he spent to get there will always be something that will diminish the success by a little bit.

I think the most fair assessment of who overachieved the most would be the net amount spent per points won. In the same period they are in the PL, Guardiola won 716 points with a net spend of 700 mil and Klopp won 671 points with a net spend of 250 mil.

That would say that Klopp is the league's lone overachiever, but then again - most of the trophies went Guardiola's way. The same thing happened in Germany.

Let me disagree. From a scientific point of view, we need more tests to see Guardiola's abilities. The circumstances were such that he started from someone else’s legacy (Rijkaard) and he managed the golden generation of the Spanish national team, which won absolutely everything they could. Then he had Jupe Heikens's Bayern, which dominated the Champions League, and by the way, he failed with it. Then he ended up with a cheating City that flooded everything with money.
Where should I see greatness here? Or at least proof that he is above average?
It is very correct that you mentioned the importance of the funds spent. Guardiola became the first coach in history to spend more than 2 billion on transfers. A small hint at his “qualifications”, right? But I would say that combined with the fact that he already had the greatest teams under management and continued to pour cosmic money into them casts a huge doubt on his abilities as a coach.

[cryptofrka]

Where should I see greatness here? Or at least proof that he is above average?

In the football his teams are playing, you really don't need to go further than that.
Just look at the football some teams that spent more money than City have been showing.

He's a tactical revolutionary and his signature is seen on all the teams he's been working with. Sure, he trained the best ones, but what does that mean? That we should doubt Messi as well because he didn't do it on a rainy night in Stoke?

[darxiaomi]

Well finally this shit month without so much Premier League is ending, what a trash to follow, those mixing FA games with some PL games widespread.

Also a troublemaker for Fantasy. And we are nearby to receive again the players who goes to AFC and Asian cup.

[KTChampions]

Where should I see greatness here? Or at least proof that he is above average?

In the football his teams are playing, you really don't need to go further than that.
~

Of course I need 
If I see that one person is digging with a shovel, and another with an excavator, then I must make certain conclusions, but not immediately conclude that the one who is digging with an excavator is a master of working with a shovel. Until no one has seen Guardiola with a shovel, there is no point in talking about how good he is.

[swogerino]

Well finally this shit month without so much Premier League is ending, what a trash to follow, those mixing FA games with some PL games widespread.

Also a troublemaker for Fantasy. And we are nearby to receive again the players who goes to AFC and Asian cup.

Finally tomorrow everything resumes again and there is no better feeling not only for football fans but also for gamblers as the Premier League based on statistics is the league where the majority of bets is held,I assume such fact by watching the bets that I copy from other people and the Premier League games are a huge chunk of those bets.Also for the pool it is great we are resuming as these are the final stages in the sense that only 16 weeks are left to play and the pool is wide open for prize spots positions.

[cryptofrka]

Of course I need 
If I see that one person is digging with a shovel, and another with an excavator, then I must make certain conclusions, but not immediately conclude that the one who is digging with an excavator is a master of working with a shovel. Until no one has seen Guardiola with a shovel, there is no point in talking about how good he is.

Precisely. If you wanna work with shovels, you take Sean Dyche, not Guardiola.
If you wanna do construction on a high level, good luck with your shovel masters.

You don't need to work with a shovel to be the best in your business. The ones that are mediocre do the shoveling.

[SATWAT]

Well finally this shit month without so much Premier League is ending, what a trash to follow, those mixing FA games with some PL games widespread.

Also a troublemaker for Fantasy. And we are nearby to receive again the players who goes to AFC and Asian cup.

Finally tomorrow everything resumes again and there is no better feeling not only for football fans but also for gamblers as the Premier League based on statistics is the league where the majority of bets is held,I assume such fact by watching the bets that I copy from other people and the Premier League games are a huge chunk of those bets.Also for the pool it is great we are resuming as these are the final stages in the sense that only 16 weeks are left to play and the pool is wide open for prize spots positions.

No doubt January was frustrating month with we have few Premier League games, and mostly I missed which bring me down in pool now most chances things will be on regular from tomorrow, and we will have all as regular which is much better and profitable for the punters and others those are enjoying pools and fantasies games.

In this season I learned few things about fantasy so hopefully next season could be much better and improved because after every lost we have few new things and I also learn about this all with this journey which is full of entertainment and better knowledge about sports.

[KTChampions]

Of course I need 
If I see that one person is digging with a shovel, and another with an excavator, then I must make certain conclusions, but not immediately conclude that the one who is digging with an excavator is a master of working with a shovel. Until no one has seen Guardiola with a shovel, there is no point in talking about how good he is.

Precisely. If you wanna work with shovels, you take Sean Dyche, not Guardiola.
If you wanna do construction on a high level, good luck with your shovel masters.

You don't need to work with a shovel to be the best in your business. The ones that are mediocre do the shoveling.

It seems we have gone too far in discussing shovels, okay, I understand that if people don’t want to understand each other, they won’t do it  I'll just focus on the facts: Guardiola became the first coach who spent more than two billion on transfers and never coached a team that was not a top team (and even with the top Bayern he failed). Some may assess such achievements as serious, but in my opinion he is a technical figure, nothing more.

[CLS63]

I think Guardiola and Klopp both are great managers and I feel myself very lucky as we have watched these two managers in the same league for long years. I read some news on the social media last night such as Arteta won't also be managing Arsenal next season. Is there anyone who knows something about this topic? I assume everyone would accept that Arteta leveled up Arsenal as well.

[SATWAT]

I think Guardiola and Klopp both are great managers and I feel myself very lucky as we have watched these two managers in the same league for long years. I read some news on the social media last night such as Arteta won't also be managing Arsenal next season. Is there anyone who knows something about this topic? I assume everyone would accept that Arteta leveled up Arsenal as well.

Look like at the end of this season we are going to have few big changes at the top of Premier League because Mikel Arteta is now linked with Barcelona, and I was reading about Manchester United as well but right now we can't talk about this all as currently media is creating hype about this all just after Jürgen Klopp announcement and Xavi is also announces he wants to leave Barcelona at the end of this season.
We also have some talk about Eric ten Hag as well with José Mourinho is now also jobless so interesting situation because things could be more interesting until end of this season while Bayern Munich coach is also under some pressure now just wait and watch how things will be gone until end of this season.

[buwaytress]

Well, I'd known Brighton's been on the slide for a bit but to go down 3 goals to Luton (2 in first 2 minutes even)? Didn't see that coming in a thousand years.

I think Guardiola and Klopp both are great managers and I feel myself very lucky as we have watched these two managers in the same league for long years. I read some news on the social media last night such as Arteta won't also be managing Arsenal next season. Is there anyone who knows something about this topic? I assume everyone would accept that Arteta leveled up Arsenal as well.

He seems to have denied it. Him going to Barca has to be the most rubbish rumour ever. Of course, I say that and he shows up there, I've seen worse. But that club will chew him, spit him out, and then grind him to a paste.

[casperBGD]

Well, I'd known Brighton's been on the slide for a bit but to go down 3 goals to Luton (2 in first 2 minutes even)? Didn't see that coming in a thousand years.
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nothing is going on Everton side these days, even Luton entered City mode and crashing opponents like beasts
heard rumors that we will get some "green table" points back, since methodology provided do get us 9 point deduction, not 10, will be seen

but on the pitch, against Fulham, nothing goes on our side
hopefully, we will not lose this one