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hey coinmarket.io as i said i will make your life harder - and i will post your full current adress here if u dont send my btc
im not kidding and for prof of it i can say that u moved to Australia so.. better just send my btc that u stolen from me - yes you stolen because i deposited it after someone stole btc from other ppl ... your choice - my acc name rizardek Excellent, that would make it much easier for me to speak with their police departments. No interpretation needed. Feel free to drop me any further unformation you have on this guy and Ill see if the Aussie police want to talk to me ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) He is likely not in Australia. Kiur's Instagram was just deleted ( http://instagram.com/kiur420), which was updated 4 days ago with a photo showing drinks he had bought, covered in a European language I presume was Estonian. This is likely a photo of Kiur:https://i.imgur.com/xFEptMR.jpgName: Kiur Köster Predicted Age: 35 Aliases: thekiur, kiur420, error420, K1ur, Inception Emails: kiur@lavii.ee & kiur@node.ee (also kiur@jpg.ee kiur.koster@etelaranta.com) Phone: +372 5598 1119 Skype: error.420 IRC name on Freenet: Inception Bitcointalk Profile "error420": https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=199571Instagram: http://instagram.com/kiur420Twitter Profile: https://twitter.com/kiur420Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/k1ur/videosFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/kiur420Steam: http://steamcommunity.com/id/kiur420Google+: https://plus.google.com/106183476692033123680LinkedIn: http://ee.linkedin.com/pub/kiur-k%C3%B6ster/62/5b5/64bCurrent Residential Area: Jarvamë-area in Tallinn city, Estonia Possible Prior Address: Rüütli 31, Paide, Paide linn, Estonia School: Paide Gümnaasium, 1996 Employment: The Crime Factory (Ajaxian, 2011 - present) Work website: http://www.playcrime.net/index.php?a=11&m=world2&k=kiur420Kiur is involved with a marketing company, Lavii: http://lavii.ee Address: Tartu mnt 51-17, Tallinn Harjumaa, Eesti Phone: + 372 59 031 467 Kiur is big into Litecoin and sells SCRYPT mining rigs, leases mining power and operates a pool. He created a Litecoin wallet here on his site node.ee: http://node.ee/___wallet/create.phpOther links:http://www.etelaranta.com/our-team/ <-- work, would need to check if he is currently employed there still. http://about.me/kiurhttp://vk.com/id185659137http://www.chess.com/members/view/thekiurhttps://github.com/thekiurhttp://trollboxarchive.com/search.php?search_type=username&search=thekiurhttp://dcaz.net/user/thekiur/4http://dogewatch.com/userhistory.asp?username=thekiurhttp://www.search-im-info.com/chat-with-kiur-k-ster-11264051.htmIronic tweet by Kiur on December 29th:@cryptsy litecoin withdrawal not working? confirmed via email and waiting... for too damn long... Screenshot of Kiur's PC:https://i.imgur.com/mV3qGbZ.jpgKIUR - WHERE IS THE BITCOIN?
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March 28, 2014, 02:21:28 AM |
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if you vigilantes succeed, it'll be good for the crypto world as a whole, ive yet to see a scammer get what he deserved ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) should make other people double think twice before pulling another stunt
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March 28, 2014, 02:24:00 AM |
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Still waiting on my 10 mil RDD. Username Dynamic.
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March 28, 2014, 02:35:08 AM |
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coinmarket i just wanna let u know that im in contact with ppl that u make for them a some work as freelancer - and im gathering some information about your bank accounts etc as i said i want my btc because it was mine not your ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) and im in contact with lawyers
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March 28, 2014, 02:53:07 AM |
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hey coinmarket.io as i said i will make your life harder - and i will post your full current adress here if u dont send my btc
im not kidding and for prof of it i can say that u moved to Australia so.. better just send my btc that u stolen from me - yes you stolen because i deposited it after someone stole btc from other ppl ... your choice - my acc name rizardek Excellent, that would make it much easier for me to speak with their police departments. No interpretation needed. Feel free to drop me any further unformation you have on this guy and Ill see if the Aussie police want to talk to me ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) He is likely not in Australia. Kiur's Instagram was just deleted ( http://instagram.com/kiur420), which was updated 4 days ago with a photo showing drinks he had bought, covered in a European language I presume was Estonian. This is likely a photo of Kiur: Name: Kiur Köster Predicted Age: 35 Aliases: thekiur, kiur420, error420, K1ur, Inception Emails: kiur@lavii.ee & kiur@node.ee (also kiur@jpg.ee kiur.koster@etelaranta.com) Phone: +372 5598 1119 Skype: error.420 IRC name on Freenet: Inception Bitcointalk Profile "error420": https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=199571Instagram: http://instagram.com/kiur420Twitter Profile: https://twitter.com/kiur420Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/k1ur/videosFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/kiur420Steam: http://steamcommunity.com/id/kiur420Google+: https://plus.google.com/106183476692033123680LinkedIn: http://ee.linkedin.com/pub/kiur-k%C3%B6ster/62/5b5/64bCurrent Residential Area: Jarvamë-area in Tallinn city, Estonia Possible Prior Address: Rüütli 31, Paide, Paide linn, Estonia School: Paide Gümnaasium, 1996 Employment: The Crime Factory (Ajaxian, 2011 - present) Work website: http://www.playcrime.net/index.php?a=11&m=world2&k=kiur420Kiur is involved with a marketing company, Lavii: http://lavii.ee Address: Tartu mnt 51-17, Tallinn Harjumaa, Eesti Phone: + 372 59 031 467 Kiur is big into Litecoin and sells SCRYPT mining rigs, leases mining power and operates a pool. He created a Litecoin wallet here on his site node.ee: http://node.ee/___wallet/create.phpOther links:http://www.etelaranta.com/our-team/ <-- work, would need to check if he is currently employed there still. http://about.me/kiurhttp://vk.com/id185659137http://www.chess.com/members/view/thekiurhttps://github.com/thekiurhttp://trollboxarchive.com/search.php?search_type=username&search=thekiurhttp://dcaz.net/user/thekiur/4http://dogewatch.com/userhistory.asp?username=thekiurhttp://www.search-im-info.com/chat-with-kiur-k-ster-11264051.htmIronic tweet by Kiur on December 29th:@cryptsy litecoin withdrawal not working? confirmed via email and waiting... for too damn long... Screenshot of Kiur's PC:![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FmV3qGbZ.jpg&t=665&c=SsA3jJSYVqoVvg) KIUR - WHERE IS THE BITCOIN? If he is running other business then let's fxk them up. Disrupt his income stream. In doing so keep track of him and make sure we know what alias he create the new business.
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March 28, 2014, 02:58:14 AM |
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hey coinmarket.io as i said i will make your life harder - and i will post your full current adress here if u dont send my btc
im not kidding and for prof of it i can say that u moved to Australia so.. better just send my btc that u stolen from me - yes you stolen because i deposited it after someone stole btc from other ppl ... your choice - my acc name rizardek Excellent, that would make it much easier for me to speak with their police departments. No interpretation needed. Feel free to drop me any further unformation you have on this guy and Ill see if the Aussie police want to talk to me ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) He is likely not in Australia. Kiur's Instagram was just deleted ( http://instagram.com/kiur420), which was updated 4 days ago with a photo showing drinks he had bought, covered in a European language I presume was Estonian. This is likely a photo of Kiur: Name: Kiur Köster Predicted Age: 35 Aliases: thekiur, kiur420, error420, K1ur, Inception Emails: kiur@lavii.ee & kiur@node.ee (also kiur@jpg.ee kiur.koster@etelaranta.com) Phone: +372 5598 1119 Skype: error.420 IRC name on Freenet: Inception Bitcointalk Profile "error420": https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=199571Instagram: http://instagram.com/kiur420Twitter Profile: https://twitter.com/kiur420Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/k1ur/videosFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/kiur420Steam: http://steamcommunity.com/id/kiur420Google+: https://plus.google.com/106183476692033123680LinkedIn: http://ee.linkedin.com/pub/kiur-k%C3%B6ster/62/5b5/64bCurrent Residential Area: Jarvamë-area in Tallinn city, Estonia Possible Prior Address: Rüütli 31, Paide, Paide linn, Estonia School: Paide Gümnaasium, 1996 Employment: The Crime Factory (Ajaxian, 2011 - present) Work website: http://www.playcrime.net/index.php?a=11&m=world2&k=kiur420Kiur is involved with a marketing company, Lavii: http://lavii.ee Address: Tartu mnt 51-17, Tallinn Harjumaa, Eesti Phone: + 372 59 031 467 Kiur is big into Litecoin and sells SCRYPT mining rigs, leases mining power and operates a pool. He created a Litecoin wallet here on his site node.ee: http://node.ee/___wallet/create.phpOther links:http://www.etelaranta.com/our-team/ <-- work, would need to check if he is currently employed there still. http://about.me/kiurhttp://vk.com/id185659137http://www.chess.com/members/view/thekiurhttps://github.com/thekiurhttp://trollboxarchive.com/search.php?search_type=username&search=thekiurhttp://dcaz.net/user/thekiur/4http://dogewatch.com/userhistory.asp?username=thekiurhttp://www.search-im-info.com/chat-with-kiur-k-ster-11264051.htmIronic tweet by Kiur on December 29th:@cryptsy litecoin withdrawal not working? confirmed via email and waiting... for too damn long... Screenshot of Kiur's PC:![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FmV3qGbZ.jpg&t=665&c=SsA3jJSYVqoVvg) KIUR - WHERE IS THE BITCOIN? If he is running other business then let's fxk them up. Disrupt his income stream. In doing so keep track of him and make sure we know what alias he create the new business. 99% of his friend probably don't read this thread. I suggest post some stuff on his facebook, send his scam infor to hostel he might be staying in. Email to bar he might be visiting. Make the whole world around him know.
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March 28, 2014, 03:01:46 AM |
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hey coinmarket.io as i said i will make your life harder - and i will post your full current adress here if u dont send my btc
im not kidding and for prof of it i can say that u moved to Australia so.. better just send my btc that u stolen from me - yes you stolen because i deposited it after someone stole btc from other ppl ... your choice - my acc name rizardek Excellent, that would make it much easier for me to speak with their police departments. No interpretation needed. Feel free to drop me any further unformation you have on this guy and Ill see if the Aussie police want to talk to me ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) He is likely not in Australia. Kiur's Instagram was just deleted ( http://instagram.com/kiur420), which was updated 4 days ago with a photo showing drinks he had bought, covered in a European language I presume was Estonian. This is likely a photo of Kiur: Name: Kiur Köster Predicted Age: 35 Aliases: thekiur, kiur420, error420, K1ur, Inception Emails: kiur@lavii.ee & kiur@node.ee (also kiur@jpg.ee kiur.koster@etelaranta.com) Phone: +372 5598 1119 Skype: error.420 IRC name on Freenet: Inception Bitcointalk Profile "error420": https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=199571Instagram: http://instagram.com/kiur420Twitter Profile: https://twitter.com/kiur420Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/k1ur/videosFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/kiur420Steam: http://steamcommunity.com/id/kiur420Google+: https://plus.google.com/106183476692033123680LinkedIn: http://ee.linkedin.com/pub/kiur-k%C3%B6ster/62/5b5/64bCurrent Residential Area: Jarvamë-area in Tallinn city, Estonia Possible Prior Address: Rüütli 31, Paide, Paide linn, Estonia School: Paide Gümnaasium, 1996 Employment: The Crime Factory (Ajaxian, 2011 - present) Work website: http://www.playcrime.net/index.php?a=11&m=world2&k=kiur420Kiur is involved with a marketing company, Lavii: http://lavii.ee Address: Tartu mnt 51-17, Tallinn Harjumaa, Eesti Phone: + 372 59 031 467 Kiur is big into Litecoin and sells SCRYPT mining rigs, leases mining power and operates a pool. He created a Litecoin wallet here on his site node.ee: http://node.ee/___wallet/create.phpOther links:http://www.etelaranta.com/our-team/ <-- work, would need to check if he is currently employed there still. http://about.me/kiurhttp://vk.com/id185659137http://www.chess.com/members/view/thekiurhttps://github.com/thekiurhttp://trollboxarchive.com/search.php?search_type=username&search=thekiurhttp://dcaz.net/user/thekiur/4http://dogewatch.com/userhistory.asp?username=thekiurhttp://www.search-im-info.com/chat-with-kiur-k-ster-11264051.htmIronic tweet by Kiur on December 29th:@cryptsy litecoin withdrawal not working? confirmed via email and waiting... for too damn long... Screenshot of Kiur's PC:![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FmV3qGbZ.jpg&t=665&c=SsA3jJSYVqoVvg) KIUR - WHERE IS THE BITCOIN? If he is running other business then let's fxk them up. Disrupt his income stream. In doing so keep track of him and make sure we know what alias he create the new business. 99% of his friend probably don't read this thread. I suggest post some stuff on his facebook, send his scam infor to hostel he might be staying in. Email to bar he might be visiting. Make the whole world around him know. There are 14 people in his google + circle, why don't we start by saying hi to them one by one.
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March 28, 2014, 03:04:01 AM |
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hey coinmarket.io as i said i will make your life harder - and i will post your full current adress here if u dont send my btc
im not kidding and for prof of it i can say that u moved to Australia so.. better just send my btc that u stolen from me - yes you stolen because i deposited it after someone stole btc from other ppl ... your choice - my acc name rizardek Excellent, that would make it much easier for me to speak with their police departments. No interpretation needed. Feel free to drop me any further unformation you have on this guy and Ill see if the Aussie police want to talk to me ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) He is likely not in Australia. Kiur's Instagram was just deleted ( http://instagram.com/kiur420), which was updated 4 days ago with a photo showing drinks he had bought, covered in a European language I presume was Estonian. This is likely a photo of Kiur: Name: Kiur Köster Predicted Age: 35 Aliases: thekiur, kiur420, error420, K1ur, Inception Emails: kiur@lavii.ee & kiur@node.ee (also kiur@jpg.ee kiur.koster@etelaranta.com) Phone: +372 5598 1119 Skype: error.420 IRC name on Freenet: Inception Bitcointalk Profile "error420": https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=199571Instagram: http://instagram.com/kiur420Twitter Profile: https://twitter.com/kiur420Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/k1ur/videosFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/kiur420Steam: http://steamcommunity.com/id/kiur420Google+: https://plus.google.com/106183476692033123680LinkedIn: http://ee.linkedin.com/pub/kiur-k%C3%B6ster/62/5b5/64bCurrent Residential Area: Jarvamë-area in Tallinn city, Estonia Possible Prior Address: Rüütli 31, Paide, Paide linn, Estonia School: Paide Gümnaasium, 1996 Employment: The Crime Factory (Ajaxian, 2011 - present) Work website: http://www.playcrime.net/index.php?a=11&m=world2&k=kiur420Kiur is involved with a marketing company, Lavii: http://lavii.ee Address: Tartu mnt 51-17, Tallinn Harjumaa, Eesti Phone: + 372 59 031 467 Kiur is big into Litecoin and sells SCRYPT mining rigs, leases mining power and operates a pool. He created a Litecoin wallet here on his site node.ee: http://node.ee/___wallet/create.phpOther links:http://www.etelaranta.com/our-team/ <-- work, would need to check if he is currently employed there still. http://about.me/kiurhttp://vk.com/id185659137http://www.chess.com/members/view/thekiurhttps://github.com/thekiurhttp://trollboxarchive.com/search.php?search_type=username&search=thekiurhttp://dcaz.net/user/thekiur/4http://dogewatch.com/userhistory.asp?username=thekiurhttp://www.search-im-info.com/chat-with-kiur-k-ster-11264051.htmIronic tweet by Kiur on December 29th:@cryptsy litecoin withdrawal not working? confirmed via email and waiting... for too damn long... Screenshot of Kiur's PC:![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FmV3qGbZ.jpg&t=665&c=SsA3jJSYVqoVvg) KIUR - WHERE IS THE BITCOIN? If he is running other business then let's fxk them up. Disrupt his income stream. In doing so keep track of him and make sure we know what alias he create the new business. 99% of his friend probably don't read this thread. I suggest post some stuff on his facebook, send his scam infor to hostel he might be staying in. Email to bar he might be visiting. Make the whole world around him know. There are 14 people in his google + circle, why don't we start by saying hi to them one by one. Also email to his college at work 'Crime factory'
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March 28, 2014, 03:05:12 AM |
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this was a good market. too bad all exchanges are getting hacked one by one
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March 28, 2014, 03:23:00 AM |
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this was a good market scam. too bad all exchanges are getting hacked one by one
Fixed for you.
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March 28, 2014, 03:29:42 AM |
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You have THREE HOURS LEFT to return 1,362,686 DOGE to DK6X3t77BhxQojv3v5cvvHMgd2PXyeYUh3
The dogecoin wallet will be online in ~24 hours (or less). Downloading the blockchain. We are not sure wtf is happening with the server, but its very sluggish today. We didnt find any deposit records associated with your account, yet there is that withdrawal request. How did you get the coins in the first place, was there any support involved? Your coins will be returned.
About BTC - we stated three things somewhere near page 146:
1) No withdrawals were disabled at any point. This means that any deposited coins turned into withdrawable coins. Stopping withdrawals whatsoever would have created alot more problems.
2) There is no technical way to reject incoming coins. Its not safe to just automatically send them back to origin address.
3) Our goal is to process ALL withdrawal requests. We are negotiating getting BTC from other sources.
Another 350 withdrawal requests (in pending status) are waiting to get processed today. Attempting to credit all stuck deposits right now.So HOW MUCH btc did you lost and how? Stop avoid that question!
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March 28, 2014, 06:14:42 AM |
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Think you have found the real culprit here as coinmarket is now offline altogether. Not even a cloudflare cache.
A few of the pages linked to for Kiur have also started disappearing. Looks like he has no intention of fixing this, and is now trying to hide...
Its gone. And the btc gone with it.
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March 28, 2014, 06:26:18 AM |
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Think you have found the real culprit here as coinmarket is now offline altogether. Not even a cloudflare cache.
Its gone. And the btc gone with it.
BTC was long gone. Just follow deposit addresses, it was all swept away over a month ago to endpoints like: Odd thing is the above addresses have added about 4000 BTC in the past week. Maybe they are gambling sites or some other exchanges offline store? Can we confirm?
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March 28, 2014, 06:26:40 AM |
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Think you have found the real culprit here as coinmarket is now offline altogether. Not even a cloudflare cache.
Its gone. And the btc gone with it.
After I read gumbotogumbo posts yesterday I knew we were screwed. His reasoning and exchange knowledge made perfect sense. However the question I would like to ask is . wasn't Kenneth in control of keeping the site up ?
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March 28, 2014, 07:58:02 AM |
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Received my coins. To bad that this exchange had so much trouble to go through. I hope everyone got their coins too. Best regards to developers team, hope you will do your best from now on.
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March 28, 2014, 08:04:49 AM |
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Think you have found the real culprit here as coinmarket is now offline altogether. Not even a cloudflare cache.
Its gone. And the btc gone with it.
After I read gumbotogumbo posts yesterday I knew we were screwed. His reasoning and exchange knowledge made perfect sense. However the question I would like to ask is . wasn't Kenneth in control of keeping the site up ? I am going to provide further evidence now why coinmarket.io was setup as a scam. Them = Kiur and Kenneth 1. They never added well known coins but coin that had promise where they had strong communities. 2. They removed doge coin early on as this would of brought a lot of heat from the doge community as it is massive compared to other coins. This has worked well for them as not one mainstream article about it yet 100 times more btc stolen then the hackers that did poloniex which got more exposure. 3. This has been well planned from the start, stealing the bitcoins is actually the easy part. The hard part is getting the money into the fiat banking system which everyone in the crypto world loves to hate but can still be the system that will catch these guys out. 4. Adding to point 3 they will need to give proof to the reserve bank about how they came about with so much money, if they planning to do it over a long period of time to avoid detection or raise any flags then I have some bad news for them. Bitcoin price will be back under $100 pretty soon. Just as fast as people moved into cryptos , they are moving out just as fast because of GoX and plenty other scams taking place on a daily bases 5.You guys need to report this to the respective Police departments and escalation to there central banks is a must so they can keep a eye on these 2. 6. You also need to make there lives uncomfortable, media, let there friends and family know. etc etc 7. The bad news is whether the police/mobsters or whoever catches these guys you won't be getting your bitcoins back. So was Kenneth involved? ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) I thought Kenneth said he was closing down hosting end of the month, are you planning to maybe keep the exchange alive and kicking after all this is sorted? Are you processing btc deposits/withdrawals that were made after exchange was stopped end Feb?
Kenneth did not warn us about stopping communications. He just disappeared ![Sad](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/sad.gif) Among other things, Kenneth was aware that no security was 100% guaranteed by running this code. There were some additional delays, but things are moving and we are sure he is monitoring the situation aswell. As the remaining coins are still on his server, a premature shutdown is not what he should do.Take that last line as you will.
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March 28, 2014, 08:11:02 AM |
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Received my coins. To bad that this exchange had so much trouble to go through. I hope everyone got their coins too. Best regards to developers team, hope you will do your best from now on.
They have given some people there alt coins back. The discussions is about bitcoins.
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March 28, 2014, 08:16:41 AM |
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Received my coins. To bad that this exchange had so much trouble to go through. I hope everyone got their coins too. Best regards to developers team, hope you will do your best from now on.
They have given some people there alt coins back. The discussions is about bitcoins. Agree, they don't want the penny alts. The list that Kiur published of stuck transactions totalled over 700 bitcoins, and that was a set time period and only attempted withdrawals. I predict thousands of bitcoin has been 'taken'... how is this not mainstream news?!?!?
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March 28, 2014, 08:22:23 AM |
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Received my coins. To bad that this exchange had so much trouble to go through. I hope everyone got their coins too. Best regards to developers team, hope you will do your best from now on.
They have given some people there alt coins back. The discussions is about bitcoins. Agree, they don't want the penny alts. The list that Kiur published of stuck transactions totalled over 700 bitcoins, and that was a set time period and only attempted withdrawals. I predict thousands of bitcoin has been 'taken'... how is this not mainstream news?!?!? They purposely went for alts that had no mainstream attention, only now it will start getting mainstream attention as they strung everyone on for a month.
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