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January 29, 2017, 12:37:15 PM
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He is picture how this error look like:
http://i.imgur.com/M6iO4QX.jpg

I think everything is explained well in that error message. I would try:

1. Run program as administrator

if that doesn't work:

2. Add program to antyvirus firewall

if that doesn't work:

3. Reinstall program into different folder (other than 'Program Files')
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January 29, 2017, 01:06:30 PM
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He is picture how this error look like:
http://i.imgur.com/M6iO4QX.jpg

I think everything is explained well in that error message. I would try:

1. Run program as administrator

if that doesn't work:

2. Add program to antyvirus firewall

if that doesn't work:

3. Reinstall program into different folder (other than 'Program Files')
I'm not an expert but i have tried to run it as administrator at the first time i read it, must be something with antivirus will try to give it rights in firewall,
but he ask me when starting and i allowed it. Or maybe i simply change antivirus program, or disable security it for a one hour, i will see.
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January 29, 2017, 01:18:44 PM
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I have successfully installed Black Halo and everything went fine till i try to start. After i choose language and i have created two keys and after this appears this message.
 It say this is an conflict with antivirus or something, scrip just stopped with working..I would like to try this platform so help is needed, Thanks!


He is picture how this error look like:
http://i.imgur.com/M6iO4QX.jpg

Do you have blackcoin client on while trying to start Blackhalo?
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January 29, 2017, 01:24:37 PM
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Do you have blackcoin client on while trying to start Blackhalo?
No should i have it opened or not?
 No still have no changes and when my antivirus is disabled- ESET .System is win7 32bit, and i don't have troubles with wallet at all, syncing well and this happening very rarely. I had few problem with cgminer but this is not related with this i assume.
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January 29, 2017, 01:34:49 PM
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Do you have blackcoin client on while trying to start Blackhalo?
No should i have it opened or not?
 No still have no changes and when my antivirus is disabled- ESET .System is win7 32bit, and i don't have troubles with wallet at all, syncing well and this happening very rarely. I had few problem with cgminer but this is not related with this i assume.

It shouldn't be running. I got this same exact error. I closed my Blackcoin QT and blackcoind started working.
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January 30, 2017, 08:25:56 AM
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Do you have blackcoin client on while trying to start Blackhalo?
No should i have it opened or not?
 No still have no changes and when my antivirus is disabled- ESET .System is win7 32bit, and i don't have troubles with wallet at all, syncing well and this happening very rarely. I had few problem with cgminer but this is not related with this i assume.

It shouldn't be running. I got this same exact error. I closed my Blackcoin QT and blackcoind started working.

Yeah the issue is not with Halo, its with Blackcoind. It might have already been running or Blackcoin-QT or like it says antivirus(check task manager). We used to have a problem with avast blocking python but we sent our program to them and i think its no longer an issue. You can always build from source of course at www.davtonia.com/bithalo/haloobf.zip

As for finishing NightTrader this has been discussed before. First off, I have a few more templates to finish (python contracts, barter, buy/sell) those make the client more user friendly. The question of NT is weather or not I will make it a microtrader or not. Let me explain the problem I ran into, it didn't have anything to do with coding per se.

If we do it the way I had intended, we can do NightTrader by the following methods:

MICROTRADING:
THE ORIGINAL plan was to microtrade under double deposit (this can already be done actually if you do it manually under a contract). Where the software would automate payments (BTC for ETH or LTC for DOGE etc) and the deposits would be double deposit in Blackcoin. So lets say you want to trade 1 BTC for 90 ETH you would deposit .5 btc each of BLK and trade like this:
.25 .25 .25 .25 until the trade is complete
That seems great but the problem I foresee is this... will anyone use a decentralized exchange that has to wait for Bitcoin confirmations?! This means the trade can take up to an hour unless you use online services to confirm early. Also many deals might be for higher amounts AND you would need to do that contract with all traders on the order book.

So Bob wants to trade with Alice, Joe and Steve because they ALL had orders on BlackHalo. So they arrange deposits in BLK and can end up doing anywhere from 4 to 50 transactions for the same trade. (imagine 500 btc wall waiting for hundreds of little payments)

All this live trading bloats the blockchain. So it works but WILL PEOPLE USE IT???

Will people buy Blackcoin just for the deposit? And will rising in prices of Blackcoin and then dumping in some cases make the deposit value go below the trade causing defaults? We would need higher deposits then.

I had a huge problem with BlackHalo and BitHalo. I thought BitHalo would replace localbitcoins because you don't need to trust anyone, not even an arbiter. But if nobody uses BitHalo what the hell was the point? Nobody sells anything on the markets, it was years ahead of Ethereum and Open Bazaar, translates to 92 languages has like 50 different little features (joint accounts, steganography etc) and still never got used by the masses.

So imagine if I build an exchange interface for NightTrader to do microtrading and then nobody even uses it because its not lightning fast like poloniex and they have to form multiple contacts. Also being peer to peer if any of your trade partners disconnect during a trade that would greatly extend the amount of time you are waiting for the trade to finish. Its amazing that we can do decentralized exchange this way but I want people to use what I make and not deal with the same bullshit of not having users.

Granted I don't advertise, but its hard to advertise and code.

Plus should I list all the orders on my decentralized markets? Because then it means waiting for the POW on each order which can make for a slow orderbook where orders are accepted out of order. Its a tricky engineering job. I can do it but i would want users and some sort of knowledge that my 1000s of hours of coding wasnt in vain.

So here is the OTHER options:

ATOMIC TRADING:
This is a great idea, we use checklocktimeverify to do trades between coins. The problem here is, this doesn't make NightTrader Blackcoin centric and it just means Blackcoin is listed as a coin. Also this means only coins with checklocktimeverify can get on the exchange (Blackcoin, Bitcoin, BitBay, Ethereum etc)... there is very few coins with true locktimes. And adding Ethereum is a custom contract meaning more work if I want to add them. Also it still means multiple trading partners and more than one transaction per trade. Granted its dropped to only a couple transactions per trade which is wonderful but still speed is the issue.

MULTISIGNATURE EXCHANGE:
So this is one of my original ideas but again its not BLK exclusive. Basically the exchange holds the 2nd key to all joint accounts. Then users sign over transactions of SIGHASH SINGLE for their change which is blank checks basically where the exchange routes IOUs to the users. There is a couple problems, the same as BitSquare, there is still a security risk that the exchange can collude. And even without exchange collusion a hacker who gets exchange signing keys can effectively try double spending by getting involved in trades and defaulting. Its not as secure as it looks. Sure its 100 times more secure than a normal exchange but is it truly worth the effort?? And plus I have to take the liability of holding that exchange key. So I'm subject to the laws of governments who will say I'm holding the key and this added responsibility is very unattractive.
The advantage? Its fast.

LIGHTNING NETWORKS:
Again this is much like multisignature exchanges, this creates a "Mt. Box" for routing live daisy chained micropayments. The problem here is the same (and by the way Lightning networks look very insecure to me because of this). The exchange can simply collude with itself and withdraw pretending to be a trade partner. The only way to avert this threat is if the exchange had collateral in frozen coins which requires pegging so this is like ultra future tech. Also it requires crazy segwit, servers and tons of engineering.

I'm not entirely sure why everyone loves lightning networks so much. True its really brilliant engineering. But it gives too much power to the exchange. Since the exchange doesn't actually put up collateral you have access to, the only way to make "Segwit" work is with a pegging frozen coins system where Mt.Box is sitting on tons of frozen collateral so they have to be very wealthy to begin with and then use that as a deposit in case they collude.

Otherwise the only way to do P2P payment routing is by forming joint accounts with many people and using the lightning network principals with withdraw from those daisy chained payments and form multiple relationships and then it would never be "off the chain" it would only be less bloat and a little bit more P2P. That's the only trustless way. Of course you can always prune the blockchain and not care about bloat (bandwidth might be the bigger problem anyways which is why P2P options are more attractive). Then again there is always servers than can host all that data too. Is bloat the biggest problem or not? How many terabytes does facebook process a day? 500?

Lightning networks should not be a "Mt. Box / All the users" relationship it should be a daisy chained "all the wealthy users / routing payments to everyone else" kind of network. That is still P2P bloat free and it means settlement will happen all the time to form new relationships for missing joint partners. That I think would completely prevent collusion since in the case of the "rich users" example, they would put collateral. Of course Mt. Box can put collateral and should. Can we assume they will be holding any funds to begin with?


So you guys can give me your thoughts but I'm stuck. Thats why I'm just building out BlackHalo and waiting to see if it catches on before going and committing myself to another couple years of coding for no clear purpose(when it comes to NightTrader).

BlackHalo on the other hand is improved so much in the last year people should really try it. It will be 100% done for commercial use this year. Its already pretty commercial, but there are more templates and an api to finish.
 
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January 31, 2017, 07:03:02 AM
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So imagine if I build an exchange interface for NightTrader to do microtrading and then nobody even uses it because its not lightning fast like poloniex
 
This will be really big problem till people face another GOX. And probability for such thing to happen rising with Bitcoin price rising and over time i bealove prople will try to find alternatives. With Nightrader and other decentralised exchanges we can avoid all of this and more. This project only needs better marketing , big ico projects have large funds so they can be very successful in this game.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1747399.0
"To summarize, the technical features of Qtum include:
3. Blackcoin's Proof Of Stake 3.0, which ensures efficiency and security"
If projects such as this one relying on Black coin teach then you know what we have here!
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January 31, 2017, 12:03:05 PM
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So imagine if I build an exchange interface for NightTrader to do microtrading and then nobody even uses it because its not lightning fast like poloniex
 
This will be really big problem till people face another GOX. And probability for such thing to happen rising with Bitcoin price rising and over time i bealove prople will try to find alternatives. With Nightrader and other decentralised exchanges we can avoid all of this and more. This project only needs better marketing , big ico projects have large funds so they can be very successful in this game.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1747399.0
"To summarize, the technical features of Qtum include:
3. Blackcoin's Proof Of Stake 3.0, which ensures efficiency and security"
If projects such as this one relying on Black coin teach then you know what we have here!

agreed ...

but as with beta and vhs ...

beta was far superior technologically - but vhs had the marketing muscle and exposure ...

sounds like an operating system i know of Wink ...

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January 31, 2017, 01:06:44 PM
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https://twitter.com/CoinBlack/status/826370972643057664
What is this? What is going on with Polo? Can anyone confirm otherwise?

Everything starts with small talks and when happened it is too late to get out. That is why we need decentralisation,
and  projects such as NightTrader. I love to trade but i would better sleep if private keys are in my possession.
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January 31, 2017, 01:08:09 PM
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https://twitter.com/CoinBlack/status/826370972643057664
What is this? What is going on with Polo? Can anyone confirm otherwise?

Everything starts with small talks and when happened it is too late to get out. That is why we need decentralisation,
and  projects such as NightTrader. I love to trade but i would better sleep if private keys are in my possession.

ditto ...

decentralization for most things like this is the way to go - for stability at least ...

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January 31, 2017, 01:32:44 PM
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https://twitter.com/CoinBlack/status/826370972643057664
What is this? What is going on with Polo? Can anyone confirm otherwise?

Everything starts with small talks and when happened it is too late to get out. That is why we need decentralisation,
and  projects such as NightTrader. I love to trade but i would better sleep if private keys are in my possession.

Right NightTrader can be a microtrader but it would trade live coins and require users to buy Blackcoin to set up a double deposit contract. This is why it is something I'm hesitant to finish. Since the time it would take to set up that contract (a few minutes) and the amount of trades required per trade (10-20 transactions) and the fact that Bitcoin transactions are expensive IF you want it in a block (several dollars per trade) and the amount you would put in a deposit in BLK (at least 20% collateral)

All of it makes me worried that 1000 hours of coding the user interface charting and fail safes and ability to check any blockchain would be in vain if nobody used it. Guys, I always try to keep my promises to myself and others. We have decentralized exchange already, but it might not be worth additional effort for the pretty UI and dedicated nodes for fast order matching if nobody wants to deal with the slow trading.


In theory you can ALREADY do microtrading in BlackHalo. Its just you will have a hard time finding trade partners. People want speed, marketing, muscle. Without fast trading, we get low volume.


This is why atomic trading is actually a little more exciting. The only problem with AT means that NightTrader will not be exclusive to Blackcoin anymore since the double deposit would be unnecessary.

Also AT still requires you to clear all your orders live. Thats a lot of transactions added to the already slow Bitcoin. Again, I'm not sure people will even wait for AT orders to confirm on Bitcoin blockchain (because AT can't be done in one transaction). Again, if I build out NightTrader as an AT exchange those are the drawbacks.
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January 31, 2017, 04:58:33 PM
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This is why atomic trading is actually a little more exciting. The only problem with AT means that NightTrader will not be exclusive to Blackcoin anymore since the double deposit would be unnecessary.

Why is important for Black coin to be "exclusive" on AT? You can create system where exchange can be in for example 3 modes, starter - trader needs 1000blk as deposit - ticket, fish - trader 5k blk and whale 20k blk. And all this can be adjusted in according of btc price.  I bealive this model was used for quatloo coin, this way you will get exclusivity for BLK.
My thoughts if atomic trader is best solution..
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February 05, 2017, 06:09:38 AM
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Rat4, are you okay? I hope you can appear here, the Chinese blackcoin community a lot of people want to know your message.

I'm alive and hope to resolve my real-life problems this summer.

Of course it will. As long as our russian developer RAT4 is not high on Vodka.

Currently I may not drink vodka.


Glad to still have your message and hope you are in good health. Do not worry about trifles

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Blackcoin are still not strong enough, when you have free time please take care of it.


I'm marketing blackcoin on the Chinese network.Gradually active.



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When will Blackhalo be finished? I'm also interested to know who are the members of dev team, and maybe Slack Invitation wont harm? I will put all on Black this time, already i can feel small of victory. For so long this was very undervalued coin.  We all together can contribute to this project, positivity is also very helpfull!

BlackHalo has been working for years. It was the worlds first smart contracting software (years before Ethereum) and it was the worlds first decentralized markets. Although people don't use the markets, they certainly work. It is integrated with BitHalo and you can switch coins at the click of a button. There are a few templates left to work on and staking but other than that, the client has been functional for years. It translates to 92 languages, has "pay to email" with steganography and like 100 other little features. Honestly I'm not sure why everyone doesn't use it. It should have replaced localbitcoins due to trustless p2p cash deals since there is no arbiter required (double deposit). It even has a price tracker in the cash for coins template so you don't have to chase market price. It can be used as a decentralized exchange. Just download it and see for yourself. I'm sure some of the guys on slack will walk you through a demo contract. As for devs there is  rat4, myself (3+ years and counting I'm the only dev working on BlackHalo), Janko who I think has also been here since the beginning, and maybe a couple others.

www.blackhalo.info




Hello, dzimbeck, BlackHalo is great. When the blackcoin of the ecosystem strong, people know the existence of BlackHalo, they will use. Now the blackcoin of the ecosystem is still small. Many people just buy or sell blackcoin.

Please believe me, the market potential is very large.


I am marketing blackcoin in china, the situation is improving.
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February 05, 2017, 06:38:21 AM
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Rat4, are you okay? I hope you can appear here, the Chinese blackcoin community a lot of people want to know your message.


I am preparing to make a video of the marketing blackcoin, can I use your photos? and your information?

How is Chinese bagholders going? People screwed by the fake pump in mintpal, many bagholders hurt and left crypto world. R.I.P BLK.



For a long time, China did not have any blackcoin in the news, nor any marketing.
No one initiative to promote the blackcoin.

Now I am marketing the blackcoin on the Chinese network.


China has 700 million Internet users, But very few people know digital currency , and very few people know the blackcoin.

My marketing is very effective. QQ group is now very active.

There will be more and more blackcoin users.Trust me.
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February 05, 2017, 09:27:46 PM
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When will Blackhalo be finished? I'm also interested to know who are the members of dev team, and maybe Slack Invitation wont harm? I will put all on Black this time, already i can feel small of victory. For so long this was very undervalued coin.  We all together can contribute to this project, positivity is also very helpfull!

BlackHalo has been working for years. It was the worlds first smart contracting software (years before Ethereum) and it was the worlds first decentralized markets. Although people don't use the markets, they certainly work. It is integrated with BitHalo and you can switch coins at the click of a button. There are a few templates left to work on and staking but other than that, the client has been functional for years. It translates to 92 languages, has "pay to email" with steganography and like 100 other little features. Honestly I'm not sure why everyone doesn't use it. It should have replaced localbitcoins due to trustless p2p cash deals since there is no arbiter required (double deposit). It even has a price tracker in the cash for coins template so you don't have to chase market price. It can be used as a decentralized exchange. Just download it and see for yourself. I'm sure some of the guys on slack will walk you through a demo contract. As for devs there is  rat4, myself (3+ years and counting I'm the only dev working on BlackHalo), Janko who I think has also been here since the beginning, and maybe a couple others.

www.blackhalo.info




Hello, dzimbeck, BlackHalo is great. When the blackcoin of the ecosystem strong, people know the existence of BlackHalo, they will use. Now the blackcoin of the ecosystem is still small. Many people just buy or sell blackcoin.

Please believe me, the market potential is very large.


I am marketing blackcoin in china, the situation is improving.


You know BlackHalo translates to Chinese right? It's one of the only clients that even features a chinese version.

And yeah for NightTrader it doesn't have to be BLK exclusive. Obviously the world needs a real decentralized exchange. I've thought about AT and Microtrade as a backup. However one needs to be built before the other.

We shall see, I'm finishing up all the templates as of right now. The next version will have time locks supported in the user interface and voting as well. So I'm going to finish all the features and then see if we can get enough active users.
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February 06, 2017, 06:32:03 AM
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Is there any updates with this coin?

Black halo looked so promsing, but have not heard much since.

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February 06, 2017, 06:42:06 AM
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Is there any updates with this coin?

Black halo looked so promsing, but have not heard much since.

Back in the day, yeah.  All the next generation ICO's changed the landscape.  They're getting all the limelight and the money.  

Anyway, dzimbeck, I'm dropping by here to ask what is different about Blackcoin's POS compared NXT's POS.  I'm thinking of investing in Qtum's ICO (I know, I know, I'll be careful), and I see in their ANN thread that they will be using code based on Bitcoin Core 0.13 and use that to create a POS platform based on Blackcoin's POS 3.0.  Is that even possible?  And what's the big deal with BC's POS 3.0?

Thanks.

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February 06, 2017, 05:35:07 PM
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Is there any updates with this coin?

Black halo looked so promsing, but have not heard much since.

Back in the day, yeah.  All the next generation ICO's changed the landscape.  They're getting all the limelight and the money.  

Anyway, dzimbeck, I'm dropping by here to ask what is different about Blackcoin's POS compared NXT's POS.  I'm thinking of investing in Qtum's ICO (I know, I know, I'll be careful), and I see in their ANN thread that they will be using code based on Bitcoin Core 0.13 and use that to create a POS platform based on Blackcoin's POS 3.0.  Is that even possible?  And what's the big deal with BC's POS 3.0?

Thanks.

Bitcoin Core 0.13 is very new, there's no need to go with bleeding edge. Blackcoin has been already moved to bitcoin core 0.12(is running in production and can bee seen in explorers like this one https://chainz.cryptoid.info/blk/#!network .

There is no risk here, more stability and you won't miss anything they have in 0.13 too.
Core will backport everything to 0.12 (they have been already doing it.. https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/c1b7421781b7a53485c6db4a6005a80e32267c9f )

BC POS 3.0 has to be done correctly, coins that claim to implement it, have done their version of POS 3.0 not the BC one, deviations can be easily seen in their code..

..by the way.. where's the Qtum source? The link they provided doesn't work.

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February 07, 2017, 05:11:38 AM
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Is there any updates with this coin?

Black halo looked so promsing, but have not heard much since.

Back in the day, yeah.  All the next generation ICO's changed the landscape.  They're getting all the limelight and the money.  

Anyway, dzimbeck, I'm dropping by here to ask what is different about Blackcoin's POS compared NXT's POS.  I'm thinking of investing in Qtum's ICO (I know, I know, I'll be careful), and I see in their ANN thread that they will be using code based on Bitcoin Core 0.13 and use that to create a POS platform based on Blackcoin's POS 3.0.  Is that even possible?  And what's the big deal with BC's POS 3.0?

Thanks.

Bitcoin Core 0.13 is very new, there's no need to go with bleeding edge. Blackcoin has been already moved to bitcoin core 0.12(is running in production and can bee seen in explorers like this one https://chainz.cryptoid.info/blk/#!network .

What do you mean by Blackcoin has already been moved to Bitcoin Core 0.12?  I have no idea what you're talking about, unless you don't too.  Well then, touche!  Cheesy

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There is no risk here, more stability and you won't miss anything they have in 0.13 too.
Core will backport everything to 0.12 (they have been already doing it.. https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/c1b7421781b7a53485c6db4a6005a80e32267c9f )

BC POS 3.0 has to be done correctly, coins that claim to implement it, have done their version of POS 3.0 not the BC one, deviations can be easily seen in their code..

I want answers as to what are the differences in NXT's POS and Blackcoin's POS 3.0 and what makes it special.  I guess I'll have to wait for dzimbeck to get back and explain.

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..by the way.. where's the Qtum source? The link they provided doesn't work.


It will be available around March I think.

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