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Question: Who is your preferred candidate to ultimately WIN the presidency?
Joe Biden - 11 (10.2%)
Michael Bloomberg - 9 (8.3%)
Cory Booker - 1 (0.9%)
Pete Buttigieg - 6 (5.6%)
Julian Castro - 1 (0.9%)
John Delaney - 1 (0.9%)
Tulsi Gabbard - 11 (10.2%)
Kirsten Gillibrand - 1 (0.9%)
Kamala Harris - 6 (5.6%)
Amy Klobuchar - 1 (0.9%)
Beto O'Rourke - 2 (1.9%)
Bernie Sanders - 31 (28.7%)
Elizabeth Warren - 7 (6.5%)
Andrew Yang - 20 (18.5%)
Total Voters: 64

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March 08, 2020, 05:13:26 AM
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I see where this is heading, but I'm not ready to lose just yet.

Here's a very short, brilliant satirical video about Biden https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbKfw8mojGc

If only Bernie had the balls to run something like that, ahead of Super Tuesday this race might have been different. Instead Bernie is talking about his good friend Joe.

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March 08, 2020, 07:52:57 AM
 #442

I see where this is heading, but I'm not ready to lose just yet.

Here's a very short, brilliant satirical video about Biden https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbKfw8mojGc

If only Bernie had the balls to run something like that, ahead of Super Tuesday this race might have been different. Instead Bernie is talking about his good friend Joe.



Well this was very funny. Obviously heavily edited, but very funny. Going to forward this to some friends.

If the Sanders campaign literally just made clips of Biden talking and blasted them on the airwaves they'd be able to beat him. But I think Bernie might be gunning for something within a Biden admin, or to ensuer that he stays powerful in Washington. He hasn't went negative on Biden yet, at least not enough to notice.




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March 08, 2020, 08:42:26 AM
 #443

I see where this is heading, but I'm not ready to lose just yet.

Here's a very short, brilliant satirical video about Biden https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbKfw8mojGc

If only Bernie had the balls to run something like that, ahead of Super Tuesday this race might have been different. Instead Bernie is talking about his good friend Joe.



Well this was very funny. Obviously heavily edited, but very funny. Going to forward this to some friends.

If the Sanders campaign literally just made clips of Biden talking and blasted them on the airwaves they'd be able to beat him. But I think Bernie might be gunning for something within a Biden admin, or to ensuer that he stays powerful in Washington. He hasn't went negative on Biden yet, at least not enough to notice.

Bernie Sandbag is doing his job, just like he did in 2016. Suck up as many populist votes as possible then deferring to the establishment candidate.


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March 08, 2020, 04:33:23 PM
 #444

I see where this is heading, but I'm not ready to lose just yet.

Here's a very short, brilliant satirical video about Biden https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbKfw8mojGc

If only Bernie had the balls to run something like that, ahead of Super Tuesday this race might have been different. Instead Bernie is talking about his good friend Joe.



Well this was very funny. Obviously heavily edited, but very funny. Going to forward this to some friends.

If the Sanders campaign literally just made clips of Biden talking and blasted them on the airwaves they'd be able to beat him. But I think Bernie might be gunning for something within a Biden admin, or to ensuer that he stays powerful in Washington. He hasn't went negative on Biden yet, at least not enough to notice.

Bernie had a better chance in 2016 when both he and Trump were taking the same positions on immigration and trade. Now we have 4 years seeing that Trump is doing what he said he'll do and Bernie is now for open borders. He's still saying the same things on trade but after back flipping on immigration how can one believe what he says on trade?
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Bernie Sandbag is doing his job, just like he did in 2016. Suck up as many populist votes as possible then deferring to the establishment candidate.

It's a thankless, dirty job. I couldn't think of a better guy suited to it.
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 #446

....

Bernie Sandbag is doing his job, just like he did in 2016. Suck up as many populist votes as possible then deferring to the establishment candidate.

It's a thankless, dirty job. I couldn't think of a better guy suited to it.

At least in 2020, the excuse was that Bernie lost because the DNC was rigging it against him from the inside. They were feeding the debate questions to Clinton before hand, they were literally giving Clinton money from the DNC fundraising effort (for down the ballot races), and so on and so forth. The deck truly was stacked against him. That wasn't fair in the least.

But now they're stealing the primary from Bernie. They're literally doing it in democratic fashion. Biden will most likely LEGITIMATETLY end up with more delegates and more popular votes then Bernie. People may argue that some of this came from backdoor deals and stuff, but while backdoor deals may be unethical -- nothing about them makes this process undemocratic.

I don't think Bernies job is to just be a token fighter. I think he truly wants to win. He just can't get the young people to vote, tough thing to do.




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At least in 2020, the excuse was that Bernie lost because the DNC was rigging it against him from the inside. They were feeding the debate questions to Clinton before hand, they were literally giving Clinton money from the DNC fundraising effort (for down the ballot races), and so on and so forth. The deck truly was stacked against him. That wasn't fair in the least.

But now they're stealing the primary from Bernie. They're literally doing it in democratic fashion. Biden will most likely LEGITIMATETLY end up with more delegates and more popular votes then Bernie. People may argue that some of this came from backdoor deals and stuff, but while backdoor deals may be unethical -- nothing about them makes this process undemocratic.

I don't think Bernies job is to just be a token fighter. I think he truly wants to win. He just can't get the young people to vote, tough thing to do.

Witting tool, or unwitting tool, he is still a tool.


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March 09, 2020, 11:47:56 AM
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Bernie Sandbag is doing his job, just like he did in 2016. Suck up as many populist votes as possible then deferring to the establishment candidate.

It's a thankless, dirty job. I couldn't think of a better guy suited to it.

At least in 2020, the excuse was that Bernie lost because the DNC was rigging it against him from the inside. They were feeding the debate questions to Clinton before hand, they were literally giving Clinton money from the DNC fundraising effort (for down the ballot races), and so on and so forth. The deck truly was stacked against him. That wasn't fair in the least.

But now they're stealing the primary from Bernie. They're literally doing it in democratic fashion. Biden will most likely LEGITIMATETLY end up with more delegates and more popular votes then Bernie. People may argue that some of this came from backdoor deals and stuff, but while backdoor deals may be unethical -- nothing about them makes this process undemocratic.

I don't think Bernies job is to just be a token fighter. I think he truly wants to win. He just can't get the young people to vote, tough thing to do.

There's one very good reason Bernie Sanders just can't get the young people to vote.

It's Bernie Sanders.

And that's just the young people. What the recent shakeout in the Demo clown car shows, to anyone who has eyes to see it, is that Democratic voters, Democratic establishment players, and companies that donate largely prefer a middle of the line candidate, even if it be one as blemished as Biden.

The radical minority did not take over the Democratic Party.
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Bernie Sandbag is doing his job, just like he did in 2016. Suck up as many populist votes as possible then deferring to the establishment candidate.

It's a thankless, dirty job. I couldn't think of a better guy suited to it.

At least in 2020, the excuse was that Bernie lost because the DNC was rigging it against him from the inside. They were feeding the debate questions to Clinton before hand, they were literally giving Clinton money from the DNC fundraising effort (for down the ballot races), and so on and so forth. The deck truly was stacked against him. That wasn't fair in the least.

But now they're stealing the primary from Bernie. They're literally doing it in democratic fashion. Biden will most likely LEGITIMATETLY end up with more delegates and more popular votes then Bernie. People may argue that some of this came from backdoor deals and stuff, but while backdoor deals may be unethical -- nothing about them makes this process undemocratic.

I don't think Bernies job is to just be a token fighter. I think he truly wants to win. He just can't get the young people to vote, tough thing to do.

There's one very good reason Bernie Sanders just can't get the young people to vote.

It's Bernie Sanders.

And that's just the young people. What the recent shakeout in the Demo clown car shows, to anyone who has eyes to see it, is that Democratic voters, Democratic establishment players, and companies that donate largely prefer a middle of the line candidate, even if it be one as blemished as Biden.

The radical minority did not take over the Democratic Party.

I felt like Bernie Sanders was also the best shot among the Democratic Party at increasing voter turnout among the young people. But at the end of the day, it's not an easy thing. I think some analysts were saying that Bernie would need to increase voter turnout among young people (at the primary process) by 11 percent. For comparison, Obama increased African American/Black voter turnout by 5 percent and that was deemed a VERY LARGE WIN.

But yes, the radical minority did not take over the party. We'll see where that radical minority goes though, as they're not going to be very happy now.




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We'll see where that radical minority goes though, as they're not going to be very happy now.

Aside from my usual snarky remarks about lazy kids yapping on the internet instead of voting, I'm starting to think they're actually better off being losers. Imagine electing Bernie and still having to pay off college debts (very likely given that the president can't just gift trillions of dollars) - THAT would be really non-happy.

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We'll see where that radical minority goes though, as they're not going to be very happy now.

Aside from my usual snarky remarks about lazy kids yapping on the internet instead of voting, I'm starting to think they're actually better off being losers. Imagine electing Bernie and still having to pay off college debts (very likely given that the president can't just gift trillions of dollars) - THAT would be really non-happy.

Yeah this is right, the President of the United States REALLY wouldn't be able to do something like this. Even if you had all three chambers of government -- I highly doubt the more moderate members of the Dems would be willing to do all of the things Bernie wants to do. Kinda tough to do that when you know if you do you may lose your seat.

I have many friends who support Bernie and I'll tell them that most of the things he want to do won't happen even if he's president. They'll bitch and moan and say that he'll use the bully pulpit of the Presidency to force them to do things, cut state funding, etc. I was like -- you could literally say the same of every single president before them. It just doesn't happen.




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2 things I think Bernie could've done differently to still be in a close race:

1 - Push back against all the communism/nazi talk.  Give a shit about what label people choose to use on him, and educate them on the difference between Communism and all the different flavors of Socialism.  He made it too easy for the knuckle draggers to cry Communist and imply that he had a secret plan to become some sort of dictator.

2 - Make sure every black person in SC is aware that he was fighting for them back when school integration was a radical progressive idea in the early 60s.  Use these pictures to tell a story about someone who has always fought for them.




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Bernie Sandbag is doing his job, just like he did in 2016. Suck up as many populist votes as possible then deferring to the establishment candidate.

It's a thankless, dirty job. I couldn't think of a better guy suited to it.

At least in 2020, the excuse was that Bernie lost because the DNC was rigging it against him from the inside. They were feeding the debate questions to Clinton before hand, they were literally giving Clinton money from the DNC fundraising effort (for down the ballot races), and so on and so forth. The deck truly was stacked against him. That wasn't fair in the least.

But now they're stealing the primary from Bernie. They're literally doing it in democratic fashion. Biden will most likely LEGITIMATETLY end up with more delegates and more popular votes then Bernie. People may argue that some of this came from backdoor deals and stuff, but while backdoor deals may be unethical -- nothing about them makes this process undemocratic.

I don't think Bernies job is to just be a token fighter. I think he truly wants to win. He just can't get the young people to vote, tough thing to do.

There's one very good reason Bernie Sanders just can't get the young people to vote.

It's Bernie Sanders.

And that's just the young people. What the recent shakeout in the Demo clown car shows, to anyone who has eyes to see it, is that Democratic voters, Democratic establishment players, and companies that donate largely prefer a middle of the line candidate, even if it be one as blemished as Biden.

The radical minority did not take over the Democratic Party.

I felt like Bernie Sanders was also the best shot among the Democratic Party at increasing voter turnout among the young people. But at the end of the day, it's not an easy thing. I think some analysts were saying that Bernie would need to increase voter turnout among young people (at the primary process) by 11 percent. For comparison, Obama increased African American/Black voter turnout by 5 percent and that was deemed a VERY LARGE WIN.

But yes, the radical minority did not take over the party. We'll see where that radical minority goes though, as they're not going to be very happy now.
I'm really not kidding about what I said. The absolutely least appealing to young people, physically, voice patterns, appearance, gestures... least appealing personal imaginable would be in my opinion, Sanders.

Democrats thrive by pushing the "pretty boy." Kennedy, Obama, etc etc.
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I'm really not kidding about what I said. The absolutely least appealing to young people, physically, voice patterns, appearance, gestures... least appealing personal imaginable would be in my opinion, Sanders.

Democrats thrive by pushing the "pretty boy." Kennedy, Obama, etc etc.

That would mean most Democrats are superficial and prejudiced wouldn't it?


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March 09, 2020, 09:11:05 PM
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I'm really not kidding about what I said. The absolutely least appealing to young people, physically, voice patterns, appearance, gestures... least appealing personal imaginable would be in my opinion, Sanders.

Democrats thrive by pushing the "pretty boy." Kennedy, Obama, etc etc.

That would mean most Democrats superficial and prejudiced wouldn't it?


I don't know. I wouldn't consider John Kerry, Walter Mondale nor Jimmy Carter "pretty boys" at all. They did all lose, although Jimmy won the 1st time against the Nixon pardoning klutz Gerald Ford.
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I don't know. I wouldn't consider John Kerry, Walter Mondale nor Jimmy Carter "pretty boys" at all. They did all lose, although Jimmy won the 1st time against the Nixon pardoning klutz Gerald Ford.

Carter was president long before I had any interest in politics, but I remember my dad (who was pretty conservative) being somewhat supportive of him.  I think he appealed to wide range of people due to his humble peanut farming roots and all.  Then there was the Gerald Ford factor...  At least Carter had some hair, so he was definitely prettier.

What about that dude who invented the internets?  He sure was prettier than Dubbaya, at least by my uninitiated perspective.

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I don't know. I wouldn't consider John Kerry, Walter Mondale nor Jimmy Carter "pretty boys" at all. They did all lose, although Jimmy won the 1st time against the Nixon pardoning klutz Gerald Ford.

Carter was president long before I had any interest in politics, but I remember my dad (who was pretty conservative) being somewhat supportive of him.  I think he appealed to wide range of people due to his humble peanut farming roots and all.  Then there was the Gerald Ford factor...  At least Carter had some hair, so he was definitely prettier.

What about that dude who invented the internets?  He sure was prettier than Dubbaya, at least by my uninitiated perspective.

I couldn't vote when Carter was running. However, I got my picture in the paper because I was at the Republican rally on voting day in 1980 and the caption under the picture read something to the effect of "the littlest Republican."  Cheesy
Also, I think Gore would probably be considered good looking to more people than not. However, he had the personality of a stiff board. IMHO.
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I don't know. I wouldn't consider John Kerry, Walter Mondale nor Jimmy Carter "pretty boys" at all. They did all lose, although Jimmy won the 1st time against the Nixon pardoning klutz Gerald Ford.

Carter was president long before I had any interest in politics, but I remember my dad (who was pretty conservative) being somewhat supportive of him.  I think he appealed to wide range of people due to his humble peanut farming roots and all.  Then there was the Gerald Ford factor...  At least Carter had some hair, so he was definitely prettier.

What about that dude who invented the internets?  He sure was prettier than Dubbaya, at least by my uninitiated perspective.

Well, criticize it all you want, you know I'm right. The Demos need that nice image projected, there can be zero content or complete falseness behind it. It can be a man, a woman, doesn't matter. Got to have the glitzy flashy smiley face for the media to ra-ra encourage.

Anyone could have won against Ford, he was NOT elected. Carter was a good pick, an unknown, make him into whoever you need him to be. And don't forget Bill Clinton.

Sometimes, I swear it's as if a person is given a "last hurrah", a symbolic shot at the POTUS that everyone knows will be lost. A Tribute to their long history of public service (and no doubt corrupt in the right directions). Mondale, Dole, Kerry, Jeb Bush.

Delete Jeb Bush, Trump winning was a total surprise.

Summarizing... Biden's not intended to win. He's intended to reflect the Demo party people.
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2 things I think Bernie could've done differently to still be in a close race:

1 - Push back against all the communism/nazi talk.  Give a shit about what label people choose to use on him, and educate them on the difference between Communism and all the different flavors of Socialism.  He made it too easy for the knuckle draggers to cry Communist and imply that he had a secret plan to become some sort of dictator.

2 - Make sure every black person in SC is aware that he was fighting for them back when school integration was a radical progressive idea in the early 60s.  Use these pictures to tell a story about someone who has always fought for them.

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Not sure I agree too much with the first one, as I do think Bernie does try to make this difference clear. Problem with even calling yourself a socialist (anything close to that) is that the largest part of the voting group (I'm assuming this is those that are 40 and over) are those that associate Socialism with the soviet union and the horrible things that caused.

But yes, I do TRULY agree with #2. Bernie has to continue to retweet that picture over and over.I don't think he talks about it enough. He was and has kept to his ideals for his entire life. He fought for the things that people say they would fight for today, but did it 40 years ago. Isn't that something?




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I'm really not kidding about what I said. The absolutely least appealing to young people, physically, voice patterns, appearance, gestures... least appealing personal imaginable would be in my opinion, Sanders.

Democrats thrive by pushing the "pretty boy." Kennedy, Obama, etc etc.

That would mean most Democrats are superficial and prejudiced wouldn't it?
I've just told them how to win (and how to not win === Sanders).

Given that 2020 is toast, and that I'm rooting for Ivanka 2024...
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