SCAM: Bitcoin SV (BSV) - fake team member and plagiarized white paper

[LevyMi]

I am currently making a research paper. Through linguistic analysis, I am trying to see who is likely to be the autor of all the Satoshi posts on this forum. And funnily enough, CSW just happens to be the farthest from Satoshi out of all of my control samples

Absolutely zero surprise here, do you have a link to the paper?

I haven't finished it yet, it'll be my diploma thesis next year. But I'll be sure to share it here then just not sure how much of it will be available in English, I might have to translate it then. If I get any interesting findings, it might be worth it to do that.

On that note I have a question for all of you who've been following this thread. Does anyone here have access to the Discord server where the screenshots of CSW's messages come from? I will need a pretty big sample of texts written by him -- I've been using his website's blog for now but more sources would be a great help.

So, I don't know if anyone still cares, but my paper is finished. I haven't defended yet so I don't want o post it until it's approved by my supervisor and oponent, but it was a really interesting rabbit hole to go down. The people I uncluded in this research were: Satoshi, CSW, Nick Szabo, Mike Hearn, Hal Finney, and Gavin Andresen.

Couple thoughts:

• First, it's a real shame that Wright only started his Twitter account after I started working, since that would be a much better source of writings. In style, tweets are more similar to forum posts than website blog posts, which is what I ended up using. Same was the case with Nick Szabo, and both of these authors clustered quite far away from the others in 2 out of 3 of my analyses. The sentences are longer, the language more academic, it's just not quite the same. That being said, we still would have seen some kind of clustering or similarities if Wright were Nakamoto. One of the analysis methods I used was not affected by these stylistic differences and Wright still appeared really far away from Nakamoto.
• Second, only after last month's release of that 'Finding Satoshi Nakamoto' book (which is also the tytle of my paper, ugh) did I hear about Bilal Khalid for the first time. Quite a shame, might have been interesting to include him in this. Any thoughts on Khalid's claims?

Conclusion:
I will be defending my thesis in August and was invited to give a speech at a conference in Budapest in September, so it will be out there soon. You will be able to see all the data, methods, graphs, and a list of links to all the forum posts / blog posts I used as material. Aside from Satoshi and the six candidates, we also had two control authors, both users of this forum.
Now, the results are not the most groundbreaking, we mostly just ruled out a couple of people with relative confidence (CSW lol). We also more or less ruled out the possibility of Satoshi being multiple people (or, more accurately, that the 'satoshi' account on here was most likely managed by one person.) His samples would simply not cluster so consistently across all 44 analyses, 40 of which utilized 5,000 randomly selected tokens out of each author's texts.
There was no match I can say with confidence as being 'most likely Nakamoto' and I would hesitate to even say someone is 'likely' to be Nakamoto, but I will mention that the closest to him out of everyone was Hal Finney. Neither Andresen nor Hearn particularly stood out.

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[Hueristic]

I am currently making a research paper. Through linguistic analysis, I am trying to see who is likely to be the autor of all the Satoshi posts on this forum. And funnily enough, CSW just happens to be the farthest from Satoshi out of all of my control samples

Absolutely zero surprise here, do you have a link to the paper?

I haven't finished it yet, it'll be my diploma thesis next year. But I'll be sure to share it here then just not sure how much of it will be available in English, I might have to translate it then. If I get any interesting findings, it might be worth it to do that.

On that note I have a question for all of you who've been following this thread. Does anyone here have access to the Discord server where the screenshots of CSW's messages come from? I will need a pretty big sample of texts written by him -- I've been using his website's blog for now but more sources would be a great help.

So, I don't know if anyone still cares, but my paper is finished. I haven't defended yet so I don't want o post it until it's approved by my supervisor and oponent, but it was a really interesting rabbit hole to go down. The people I uncluded in this research were: Satoshi, CSW, Nick Szabo, Mike Hearn, Hal Finney, and Gavin Andresen.

Couple thoughts:

• First, it's a real shame that Wright only started his Twitter account after I started working, since that would be a much better source of writings. In style, tweets are more similar to forum posts than website blog posts, which is what I ended up using. Same was the case with Nick Szabo, and both of these authors clustered quite far away from the others in 2 out of 3 of my analyses. The sentences are longer, the language more academic, it's just not quite the same. That being said, we still would have seen some kind of clustering or similarities if Wright were Nakamoto. One of the analysis methods I used was not affected by these stylistic differences and Wright still appeared really far away from Nakamoto.
• Second, only after last month's release of that 'Finding Satoshi Nakamoto' book (which is also the tytle of my paper, ugh) did I hear about Bilal Khalid for the first time. Quite a shame, might have been interesting to include him in this. Any thoughts on Khalid's claims?

Conclusion:
I will be defending my thesis in August and was invited to give a speech at a conference in Budapest in September, so it will be out there soon. You will be able to see all the data, methods, graphs, and a list of links to all the forum posts / blog posts I used as material. Aside from Satoshi and the six candidates, we also had two control authors, both users of this forum.
Now, the results are not the most groundbreaking, we mostly just ruled out a couple of people with relative confidence (CSW lol). We also more or less ruled out the possibility of Satoshi being multiple people (or, more accurately, that the 'satoshi' account on here was most likely managed by one person.) His samples would simply not cluster so consistently across all 44 analyses, 40 of which utilized 5,000 randomly selected tokens out of each author's texts.
There was no match I can say with confidence as being 'most likely Nakamoto' and I would hesitate to even say someone is 'likely' to be Nakamoto, but I will mention that the closest to him out of everyone was Hal Finney. Neither Andresen nor Hearn particularly stood out.

Link to the paper?

[LevyMi]

I am currently making a research paper. Through linguistic analysis, I am trying to see who is likely to be the autor of all the Satoshi posts on this forum. And funnily enough, CSW just happens to be the farthest from Satoshi out of all of my control samples

Absolutely zero surprise here, do you have a link to the paper?

I haven't finished it yet, it'll be my diploma thesis next year. But I'll be sure to share it here then just not sure how much of it will be available in English, I might have to translate it then. If I get any interesting findings, it might be worth it to do that.

On that note I have a question for all of you who've been following this thread. Does anyone here have access to the Discord server where the screenshots of CSW's messages come from? I will need a pretty big sample of texts written by him -- I've been using his website's blog for now but more sources would be a great help.

So, I don't know if anyone still cares, but my paper is finished. I haven't defended yet so I don't want o post it until it's approved by my supervisor and oponent, but it was a really interesting rabbit hole to go down. The people I uncluded in this research were: Satoshi, CSW, Nick Szabo, Mike Hearn, Hal Finney, and Gavin Andresen.

Couple thoughts:

• First, it's a real shame that Wright only started his Twitter account after I started working, since that would be a much better source of writings. In style, tweets are more similar to forum posts than website blog posts, which is what I ended up using. Same was the case with Nick Szabo, and both of these authors clustered quite far away from the others in 2 out of 3 of my analyses. The sentences are longer, the language more academic, it's just not quite the same. That being said, we still would have seen some kind of clustering or similarities if Wright were Nakamoto. One of the analysis methods I used was not affected by these stylistic differences and Wright still appeared really far away from Nakamoto.
• Second, only after last month's release of that 'Finding Satoshi Nakamoto' book (which is also the tytle of my paper, ugh) did I hear about Bilal Khalid for the first time. Quite a shame, might have been interesting to include him in this. Any thoughts on Khalid's claims?

Conclusion:
I will be defending my thesis in August and was invited to give a speech at a conference in Budapest in September, so it will be out there soon. You will be able to see all the data, methods, graphs, and a list of links to all the forum posts / blog posts I used as material. Aside from Satoshi and the six candidates, we also had two control authors, both users of this forum.
Now, the results are not the most groundbreaking, we mostly just ruled out a couple of people with relative confidence (CSW lol). We also more or less ruled out the possibility of Satoshi being multiple people (or, more accurately, that the 'satoshi' account on here was most likely managed by one person.) His samples would simply not cluster so consistently across all 44 analyses, 40 of which utilized 5,000 randomly selected tokens out of each author's texts.
There was no match I can say with confidence as being 'most likely Nakamoto' and I would hesitate to even say someone is 'likely' to be Nakamoto, but I will mention that the closest to him out of everyone was Hal Finney. Neither Andresen nor Hearn particularly stood out.

Link to the paper?

I will link it here at the end of August once it's reviewed 

[Hueristic]

I am currently making a research paper. Through linguistic analysis, I am trying to see who is likely to be the autor of all the Satoshi posts on this forum. And funnily enough, CSW just happens to be the farthest from Satoshi out of all of my control samples

Absolutely zero surprise here, do you have a link to the paper?

I haven't finished it yet, it'll be my diploma thesis next year. But I'll be sure to share it here then just not sure how much of it will be available in English, I might have to translate it then. If I get any interesting findings, it might be worth it to do that.

On that note I have a question for all of you who've been following this thread. Does anyone here have access to the Discord server where the screenshots of CSW's messages come from? I will need a pretty big sample of texts written by him -- I've been using his website's blog for now but more sources would be a great help.

So, I don't know if anyone still cares, but my paper is finished. I haven't defended yet so I don't want o post it until it's approved by my supervisor and oponent, but it was a really interesting rabbit hole to go down. The people I uncluded in this research were: Satoshi, CSW, Nick Szabo, Mike Hearn, Hal Finney, and Gavin Andresen.

Couple thoughts:

• First, it's a real shame that Wright only started his Twitter account after I started working, since that would be a much better source of writings. In style, tweets are more similar to forum posts than website blog posts, which is what I ended up using. Same was the case with Nick Szabo, and both of these authors clustered quite far away from the others in 2 out of 3 of my analyses. The sentences are longer, the language more academic, it's just not quite the same. That being said, we still would have seen some kind of clustering or similarities if Wright were Nakamoto. One of the analysis methods I used was not affected by these stylistic differences and Wright still appeared really far away from Nakamoto.
• Second, only after last month's release of that 'Finding Satoshi Nakamoto' book (which is also the tytle of my paper, ugh) did I hear about Bilal Khalid for the first time. Quite a shame, might have been interesting to include him in this. Any thoughts on Khalid's claims?

Conclusion:
I will be defending my thesis in August and was invited to give a speech at a conference in Budapest in September, so it will be out there soon. You will be able to see all the data, methods, graphs, and a list of links to all the forum posts / blog posts I used as material. Aside from Satoshi and the six candidates, we also had two control authors, both users of this forum.
Now, the results are not the most groundbreaking, we mostly just ruled out a couple of people with relative confidence (CSW lol). We also more or less ruled out the possibility of Satoshi being multiple people (or, more accurately, that the 'satoshi' account on here was most likely managed by one person.) His samples would simply not cluster so consistently across all 44 analyses, 40 of which utilized 5,000 randomly selected tokens out of each author's texts.
There was no match I can say with confidence as being 'most likely Nakamoto' and I would hesitate to even say someone is 'likely' to be Nakamoto, but I will mention that the closest to him out of everyone was Hal Finney. Neither Andresen nor Hearn particularly stood out.

Link to the paper?

I will link it here at the end of August once it's reviewed 

Looking forward to it.

You should probably start a new thread when you do.

[LevyMi]

Alright, for anyone still following and interested, I defended my thesis today and received an A. Since it's been reviewed, you all can view it here: https://theses.cz/id/x3hbif/Levyova_-_Finding_Bitcoins_Creator_Satoshi_Nakamoto.pdf.

In the citations, you can see a comprehensive list of links to all the posts from this forum that I used for the analyses themselves, as well as links to articles from CSW and Nick Szabo.

Thank you to all who answered my questions and helped me get into this topic, it's been really interesting 

[dragonvslinux]

Not sure if this has been posted elsewhere, but thought this was as good as place as any for CSW updates - new court case this week:

The 7-day trial seeks to determine whether a series of Hodlonaut’s tweets in March 2019 – in which he wrote that Wright’s claims to be Satoshi Nakamoto were false, and called him a fraud and a scammer – are protected by freedom of speech in Norway.

Source: https://www.coindesk.com/policy/2022/09/12/who-can-say-who-is-not-satoshi-hodlonaut-and-wright-go-to-trial-to-find-out/

I had thought this was over a long time ago after all the previous drama, but then I realised it's not 

The suit, brought by Hodlonaut, is one of two concurrent lawsuits between the two men over the tweets.

If any see any further updates about this case can you post them here? Or if there's a thread let me know? Thanks.

[rat03gopoh]

Or if there's a thread let me know? Thanks.

CSW vs Hodlonaut case observer thread. Seems quite updated.

[nutildah]

Just want to reanimate this thread confirm that I am indeed the @Dogermint twitter account... In retrospect, can't believe this thread went for 79 pages  it must be the longest scam accusation thread ever, even without a post in over a year. I know a lot has happened since then (almost all of it bad for Craig and BSV), but today I found a special reason to post here once again.

In response to a series of tweets by recently-former nChain CEO, Christen Ager-Hanssen (@agerhanssen), I felt compelled to write my own tweet on what I have endured since penning the OP of this thread, and why its important that people like Christen be supported going forward.



Here is the contents of my tweet if you'd rather not visit twitter (or X, rather):

I've been a dedicated Bitcoin enthusiast since 2014, have written hundreds of articles about BTC, crypto & the blockchain since then.

In 2019 I wrote one of the 1st major exposes on Bitcoin SV & detailed clearly why Craig Wright is a fraud, and published it on Bitcointalk, the original Bitcoin Forum:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5149062.0

It gained major traction and as a result my life has not been the same: Calvin Ayre, the individual most heavily invested in BSV, has personally gone out of his way to make my life hell since then, harassing me & attempting to discredit my online reputation any way he could.

In an IRL conversation with a BSV developer in 2021, I learned that Calvin himself was behind the smear campaign against me.

These men (Craig & Calvin) are totally unencumbered by any sense of morality. They are complete sociopaths, capable of saying or doing anything for the sake of making money.

I guess I'm writing this to let others not afraid of expressing their own interpretation of the reality of the situation, such as @agerhanssen
, that many of us are behind them and understand the gravity of the situation they are facing by simply expressing their viewpoint.

Soon the fraud that is BSV will be but a distant memory, and I applaud Christen's attempts to put the final nails in its coffin.

If you have followed the faketoshi saga at all, I highly recommend reading @agerhanssen's most recent tweets, they are very enlightening, even if we've known for 4 years it was all a scam to begin with.

[chrysophylax]

Just want to reanimate this thread confirm that I am indeed the @Dogermint twitter account... In retrospect, can't believe this thread went for 79 pages   it must be the longest scam accusation thread ever, even without a post in over a year. I know a lot has happened since then (almost all of it bad for Craig and BSV), but today I found a special reason to post here once again.

In response to a series of tweets by recently-former nChain CEO, Christen Ager-Hanssen (@agerhanssen), I felt compelled to write my own tweet on what I have endured since penning the OP of this thread, and why its important that people like Christen be supported going forward.



Here is the contents of my tweet if you'd rather not visit twitter (or X, rather):

I've been a dedicated Bitcoin enthusiast since 2014, have written hundreds of articles about BTC, crypto & the blockchain since then.

In 2019 I wrote one of the 1st major exposes on Bitcoin SV & detailed clearly why Craig Wright is a fraud, and published it on Bitcointalk, the original Bitcoin Forum:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5149062.0

It gained major traction and as a result my life has not been the same: Calvin Ayre, the individual most heavily invested in BSV, has personally gone out of his way to make my life hell since then, harassing me & attempting to discredit my online reputation any way he could.

In an IRL conversation with a BSV developer in 2021, I learned that Calvin himself was behind the smear campaign against me.

These men (Craig & Calvin) are totally unencumbered by any sense of morality. They are complete sociopaths, capable of saying or doing anything for the sake of making money.

I guess I'm writing this to let others not afraid of expressing their own interpretation of the reality of the situation, such as @agerhanssen
, that many of us are behind them and understand the gravity of the situation they are facing by simply expressing their viewpoint.

Soon the fraud that is BSV will be but a distant memory, and I applaud Christen's attempts to put the final nails in its coffin.

If you have followed the faketoshi saga at all, I highly recommend reading @agerhanssen's most recent tweets, they are very enlightening, even if we've known for 4 years it was all a scam to begin with.

This ...

Is one of the reasons I have stayed away and 'watched' - since My direct disgust of Craig Wright and his farce.

Time is a good thing.

Craig is a Disgusting Human - Period! Let alone his foray into the fools world of Lies and Deceit. He is far from the King of Fools, but he certainly is high up on the list.

It is about time that the Rope that has been allowed by the 'Legal' System for Craig to be Yanked in hard - and Hang the Disgusting Person he is - in Public. A financial execution that can be rivalled by none.

If the FACTS of the past few years have not proved that he is just another Little Boy 'pretending' (apologies - I need to use the word 'identifying' now) to be anything else but a charlatan of the Crypto world, then the World needs to look closely at the so called 'Justice' System that Craig and his minions has to easily manipulated, with the use of the Money he has accrued through this entire lineage of deceit.

#crysx #cwi

[bitcoinPsycho]

[nutildah]

A couple interesting tidbits to report on. Firstly, after 5 years, Craig's lawsuit against Peter McCormack came to its final end:



Second, the Crypto Open Patent Alliance (COPA), an organization formed in 2021 to counter Craig's pursuit of a copyright on the Bitcoin white paper, rejected a settlement offer from Craig. The rejection comes after experts from both COPA and Craig found that the documents he submitted to prove he was Satoshi had been forged (and not only that, assuredly forged by Craig himself). Some of the biggest findings:



This one struck me as particularly hilarious:



Price of BSV is down 5% for the day.

[Procaius]

Craig is going to win this COPA trial and there's going to be a lot of cope here. 

[JayJuanGee]

Craig is going to win this COPA trial and there's going to be a lot of cope here. 

That is very wishful-thinking of you.  I'm not sure of your odds, but seems to be less than 50/50 from my limited point of view and some of the pieces of information (evidence and testimony) that I have heard about related to the trial, so far.

[decodx]

Craig is going to win this COPA trial and there's going to be a lot of cope here. 

So you've been holding on to a bags full of bsv shitcoins since 2021? How is it going for you so far?
Have you considered what will happen when this lying scumbag loses this trial?

[Mate2237]

Craig is going to win this COPA trial and there's going to be a lot of cope here.  

That is very wishful-thinking of you.  I'm not sure of your odds, but seems to be less than 50/50 from my limited point of view and some of the pieces of information (evidence and testimony) that I have heard about related to the trial, so far.

Lolz this has turn to gambling and gambling is always on 50/50 either you win or you loss. If he is a fan of Craig then he wants his guy to win the COPA Trial because they must support their fans. But I don't see him winning the case because if he was the real creator of Bitcoin then it is very simple to know since Bitcoin is a decentralized digital currency, Craig Wright move a specific amount or unit of Bitcoin from the Genesis Block to another wallet then return it back and if he can do it then we will believe that he is one.

Craig Wright can't just come to the public and says he is the creator of Bitcoin. He has a lot of things to do to prove himself and I am not seeing any one bit for him to win any case at anywhere. Though I didn't follow up the case but I doubt seriously for him to win. JayJuanGee said 50/50 but I will say 0. Many Bitcoin early Bitcoin users even against him. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theblock.co/amp/post/278662/early-bitcoin-contributors-testify-against-craig-wright-at-copa-trial

[logfiles]

Craig is going to win this COPA trial and there's going to be a lot of cope here. 

So you've been holding on to a bags full of bsv shitcoins since 2021? How is it going for you so far?
Have you considered what will happen when this lying scumbag loses this trial?

Trying to pump in some sense in to the head of a BSV shill is a waste of time. It's like giving a pig a cake and expect it to eat it with dignity. It won't, it will plow it down and roll it all over the ground as though it was eating leftovers from a garbage pit 

He just came here to day the fraudster will win, but doesn't even mention why he thinks he will win.

[Procaius]

Craig is going to win this COPA trial and there's going to be a lot of cope here.  

That is very wishful-thinking of you.  I'm not sure of your odds, but seems to be less than 50/50 from my limited point of view and some of the pieces of information (evidence and testimony) that I have heard about related to the trial, so far.

You're right. It's probably closer to 50/50 at this point in the trial.  I was mostly just poking the hornets nest and am surprised by the mostly muted response.  I think some of you have maybe lost some of the wind in your sails.

...He just came here to day the fraudster will win, but doesn't even mention why he thinks he will win.

You got me.  I'm mostly just trying to be optimistic because the world needs a coin that scales and everyone knows BTC doesn't.

Craig is going to win this COPA trial and there's going to be a lot of cope here.  

So you've been holding on to a bags full of bsv shitcoins since 2021? How is it going for you so far?
Have you considered what will happen when this lying scumbag loses this trial?

I've been mining BSV since 2021.  I think I'm doing alright.  The upside is going to be huge if he wins... like astronomical if he wins.

If he loses I can't see BSV going lower than $35 / coin.

[nutildah]

You're right. It's probably closer to 50/50 at this point in the trial.  I was mostly just poking the hornets nest and am surprised by the mostly muted response.  I think some of you have maybe lost some of the wind in your sails.

The real battle ended years ago: virtually nobody takes BSV seriously anymore, and even fewer people still actually believe Craig is Satoshi.



Even I think BSV @ $35 is a fair price.

I'm mostly just trying to be optimistic because the world needs a coin that scales and everyone knows BTC doesn't.

Independent of the fact that its such a hacky, elementary school solution to say that "increasing the block size = scaling", an important piece of info you seem to be overlooking: nobody wants to use a coin run by a con artist.

[Procaius]

You're right. It's probably closer to 50/50 at this point in the trial.  I was mostly just poking the hornets nest and am surprised by the mostly muted response.  I think some of you have maybe lost some of the wind in your sails.

Even I think BSV @ $35 is a fair price.

I'm mostly just trying to be optimistic because the world needs a coin that scales and everyone knows BTC doesn't.

Independent of the fact that its such a hacky, elementary school solution to say that "increasing the block size = scaling", an important piece of info you seem to be overlooking: nobody wants to use a coin run by a con artist.

BSV Terranode is processing millions of TPS now.  That's scaling.

https://www.bsvblockchain.org/news/bsv-blockchain-capabilities-set-to-break-boundaries-in-2024-with-latest-teranode-innovations

[nutildah]

BSV Terranode is processing millions of TPS now.  That's scaling.

OK, setting aside the entire debate about the inherent centralization risks imposed by BSV's scaling model, what good does scaling do for a coin if nobody wants to use it?