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June 14, 2019, 12:44:13 AM
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Ill pitch in some BTC for a few of these if anyone's interested (us,tx) My daughter would love something Bitcoin with a unicorn !

Spend 20 euro and it's free shipping, you can use regular credit card to buy these.  Shouldbt be hard to get them in the US




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June 14, 2019, 09:02:17 AM
Last edit: June 14, 2019, 11:51:31 AM by krogothmanhattan
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This is so awesome, I don't even have words to describe my enthusiasm!  I'm not joking, either--I don't collect stamps, but I hoard them and have always loved them, and I still use them to pay bills the old-fashioned way, via snail mail.  

Looking at the link, my question is:  what's the difference between "stamped" and "unstamped"?  I'm not familiar with Austria's postal service, but this sounds like either canceled or uncanceled to me.  Can you clarify that, OP?  I'm very interested in buying some of these.


   Stamped means they will strike with a postage strike and unstamped is a mint stamp..thats if they follow the USA terms IIRC.

   I have sent them an email and will post what they reply with

   And since you are interested in stamps...this is the very first LOADED BTC stamp ever made and postally used! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2097158.msg20957878#msg20957878

WOW Congrats! It's a very nice idea!
But There is a difference with "Crypto Stamp" of Austrian Post, since a customized stamp is like a "private issue".
You will never find in an official catalogue, you will never be able to buy Smiley (only the first owner Cheesy ).
yes it's absolutely rare, but it's very hard a collector could pay too much for a sort of "un-official" stamp.
Anyone can make a infinite series of unique pieces...
But it's even a nice idea probably one of the best usage I have ever seen of personalized stamp.

https://etherscan.io/token/0x7e789e2dd1340971de0a9bca35b14ac0939aa330

I strongly disagree....all physical crypto coins are unofficial non goverment issued..all private issued numismatic issued items...examples..cas coins and Bitbills. Yet they are highly sought after and VERY EXPENSIVE.
They were the very first of their kind and unique in the history of money.

 Just because the stamp is not issued by post office it does not make it less desirable or cheaper. It was used postally thus recognized as a legitamate stamp.
 
 Its also not only a matter of whom issued it but it being the very first Loaded btc stamp created, postally cancelled and delivered.
 None have come out yet anywhere near this. Not even the stamps on this thread. So yes others can do what I did, but they will never be the first.
 Also none have the crypto coin on the stamp itself, they are on the tab just like this one here. Mine had the qr code for both the public and private keys on it.
 One stamp with the entire paper wallet on it. Nobody has accomplished this yet. Wink
 

 And yes a catalogue or encyclopedia was issued for privately made physical crypto. Their is a market for every collector out there....we are unique in the history of collecting.

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June 14, 2019, 12:11:23 PM
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Some explanations on cancels and cancelled to order on stamps from https://www.linns.com/news/postal-updates-page/stamp-collecting-basics/1998/may/postage-stamps-that-are-canceled-to-order.html

When a stamp is used on a mailed item to pay for postage it usually receives a postmark to prevent anyone from using the stamp again.

Some stamps are canceled-to-order, and are known among collectors as "CTO." But why do stamp collectors find postmarked stamps that have full, unused gum on the back?

There are several reasons why CTOs exist.

For the governments of some countries, selling canceled, unused stamps at a discount directly to stamp dealers has provided additional income.

Such countries print mint, uncanceled stamps for use as postage, to be sold at the post office. They also have created canceled-to-order versions of the same stamps for sale to stamp dealers or stamp wholesalers.

Stamp dealers use the supply of canceled stamps to create packets to sell to collectors. The postal authority profits from the sale of the stamps without having to provide postal delivery services. The stamps can never be used for postage in the future because they are canceled with a postmark.

The postal authority prints sheets of stamps with postmarks placed to mark every stamp on the sheet. An example is shown in Figure 1. Bulgaria Scott 3591 is a 10-lev definitive stamp from 1991 depicting a cow.

The stamp was printed in sheets of 100. A circular cancellation mark is printed 25 times on the sheet.

Each mark covers four stamps, as shown in the enlarged illustration. This unused sheet has stamp gum on the back, just like any new stamp issue.

The presence of stamp gum on the back of a canceled stamp is the easiest way to identify a CTO.

A crisp sharp cancel perfectly marking the corner of one stamp is another clue that a stamp might be a CTO. This is particularly true for stamps that have cancels printed on them.

In other cases, the CTO may look more like a stamp that traveled through the mail.

The postmark on Czechoslovakia Scott 1740, a 1971 definitive stamp shown in Figure 2, is paler than the crisp bold marking on the Bulgarian stamp, and it bears a pair of wavy cancellation bars trailing the circular marking. The Czech postmark more closely resembles the kind of mark one might expect to find on a stamp that has journeyed through the mail.

A look at the back of the same stamp, however, shows that it has full gum and never fulfilled postal duty.

The Scott catalog listings for Bulgaria include a notice about canceled-to-order stamps of that country.

"Beginning about 1956, some issues were sold in sheets canceled to order. Values in second column when much less than unused are for 'CTO' copies. Postally used stamps are valued at slightly less than, or the same as, unused."

A similar notice appears among the Scott listings for stamps from Czechoslovakia and other entities that create and sell canceled-to-order stamps.

Many of the countries that have issued CTO stamps are former Eastern European communist bloc nations, including Albania, East Germany, Hungary, Romania and Russia, as well as Bulgaria and Czechoslovakia. Most of these countries began marketing CTOs during the 1950s and stopped after 1991.

During the 1960s, the stamp market was flooded with CTOs from the Trucial States of the Arabian peninsula. Many of the stamps produced by these entities — Ajman, Dubai, Fujeira, Manama, Ras al-Khaima and Sharjah — are not recognized in the Scott catalog because evidence suggests that actual postal use of these stamps was negligible.

Other countries that have issued CTOs include Costa Rica (during the 1910s), Spain (from 1854-82), Liberia (beginning in 1885), and several more.

In the April 29, 1996, edition of Linn's Stamp News, Michael Schreiber reported on mint United States stamps that were marked with a roller-cancel by a local postmaster for use as a receipt of a major stamp marketing firm's postage due bill payment.

The firm then sold the stamps, with full gum on the back, to customers requesting used copies of recent U.S. commemoratives.

The customer who wrote to Linn's provided the 1995 32¢ Winton Automobile stamp, Scott 3022, shown in Figure 3. She was concerned that the stamp might be a CTO.

In this case, the stamp actually fulfilled a postal function. As the article explained, the use of postage stamps as a receipt for a postage due bill payment is an approved postal service procedure. Though with full gum on the back the stamp resembles a CTO, it is, in fact, what is known as a favor cancel.

Whenever a collector or postal customer specifically requests a cancel or postmark, the result is known as a favor cancel.

Another example of a favor cancel is shown in Figure 4. The Paris Disneyland postmark from France applied to the 1997 Happy Birthday stamp (France Scott 2556) is not a standard machine-applied cancellation one normally finds on mail. Instead, it is carefully struck by hand on a postcard souvenir for the benefit of a collector.

From time to time, Denmark's postal service uses removable paper note stickers with diagrams that instruct clerks how to properly place a favor cancel on a mailed philatelic package (one going to or from a collector).

For some collectors, only cancels created by normal mail processing procedures are acceptable. Other collectors notice that CTOs and favor cancels are neatly applied and usually do not physically damage the stamps, which is a hazard of machine-applied cancels.

CTOs packaged in packets have been used for many years to introduce new collectors to the hobby. Though the CTO stamps may never have fulfilled a postal function, they are inexpensive collectible items that have been used to help promote the growth of the hobby.


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That's one thing I really love about this forum, we seem to have very knowledgeable people here about all sorts of things!

Thanks K, great explanation! Cheesy
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June 14, 2019, 01:20:19 PM
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That's one thing I really love about this forum, we seem to have very knowledgeable people here about all sorts of things!

Thanks K, great explanation! Cheesy

Thanks Owlz...I have been a stamp collector since I was a 9 years of age..prior to getting into crypto physicals I was a philatelist..still am but more into crypto physicals to be honest now.

That being said, if you noticed II made bold

For some collectors, only cancels created by normal mail processing procedures are acceptable <<<That would be me  Wink

  If you know anyone in Austria that can place a mint crypto stamp on an envelope and mail it to you , it would be much better than to have it cancelled to order like they are offering. Just my two satoshis Wink
 

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June 14, 2019, 01:24:17 PM
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Thanks Owlz...I have been a stamp collector since I was a 9 years of age..prior to getting into crypto physicals I was a philatelist..still am but more into crypto physicals to be honest now.

That being said, if you noticed II made bold

For some collectors, only cancels created by normal mail processing procedures are acceptable <<<That would be me  Wink

  If you know anyone in Austria that can place a mint crypto stamp on an envelope and mail it to you , it would be much better than to have it cancelled to order like they are offering. Just my two satoshis Wink
 

Yes, thanks, I thought about that, but I don't know of anyone offhand in Austria. Anyone out here? They could make some btc doing this for us! Cheesy
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Thanks Owlz...I have been a stamp collector since I was a 9 years of age..prior to getting into crypto physicals I was a philatelist..still am but more into crypto physicals to be honest now.

That being said, if you noticed II made bold

For some collectors, only cancels created by normal mail processing procedures are acceptable <<<That would be me  Wink

  If you know anyone in Austria that can place a mint crypto stamp on an envelope and mail it to you , it would be much better than to have it cancelled to order like they are offering. Just my two satoshis Wink
 

Yes, thanks, I thought about that, but I don't know of anyone offhand in Austria. Anyone out here? They could make some btc doing this for us! Cheesy

count me in
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June 14, 2019, 04:07:00 PM
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This is so awesome, I don't even have words to describe my enthusiasm!  I'm not joking, either--I don't collect stamps, but I hoard them and have always loved them, and I still use them to pay bills the old-fashioned way, via snail mail.  

Looking at the link, my question is:  what's the difference between "stamped" and "unstamped"?  I'm not familiar with Austria's postal service, but this sounds like either canceled or uncanceled to me.  Can you clarify that, OP?  I'm very interested in buying some of these.


   Stamped means they will strike with a postage strike and unstamped is a mint stamp..thats if they follow the USA terms IIRC.

   I have sent them an email and will post what they reply with

   And since you are interested in stamps...this is the very first LOADED BTC stamp ever made and postally used! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2097158.msg20957878#msg20957878

WOW Congrats! It's a very nice idea!
But There is a difference with "Crypto Stamp" of Austrian Post, since a customized stamp is like a "private issue".
You will never find in an official catalogue, you will never be able to buy Smiley (only the first owner Cheesy ).
yes it's absolutely rare, but it's very hard a collector could pay too much for a sort of "un-official" stamp.
Anyone can make a infinite series of unique pieces...
But it's even a nice idea probably one of the best usage I have ever seen of personalized stamp.

https://etherscan.io/token/0x7e789e2dd1340971de0a9bca35b14ac0939aa330

I strongly disagree....all physical crypto coins are unofficial non goverment issued..all private issued numismatic issued items...examples..cas coins and Bitbills. Yet they are highly sought after and VERY EXPENSIVE.
They were the very first of their kind and unique in the history of money.

 Just because the stamp is not issued by post office it does not make it less desirable or cheaper. It was used postally thus recognized as a legitamate stamp.
 
 Its also not only a matter of whom issued it but it being the very first Loaded btc stamp created, postally cancelled and delivered.
 None have come out yet anywhere near this. Not even the stamps on this thread. So yes others can do what I did, but they will never be the first.
 Also none have the crypto coin on the stamp itself, they are on the tab just like this one here. Mine had the qr code for both the public and private keys on it.
 One stamp with the entire paper wallet on it. Nobody has accomplished this yet. Wink
 

 And yes a catalogue or encyclopedia was issued for privately made physical crypto. Their is a market for every collector out there....we are unique in the history of collecting.

Hi Smiley
I think both opinion are valid in the same time.
Let's me explain why from several perspective Tongue

- Collector of stamps (classic)
there is not any catalogue or other sources (official) that describe a private issue like that.
It means, will be classified as "curiosity", not a private label (due the real/valid post usage), not a bogus stamp (since this design has been accepted and printed in a stamp).
But private stamp like this one, could be emitted with a very low amount (even 1 stamp!).
Anyone can create an infinite series. The whole series (different items, like different design of value) will never get any categorization.
I can guarantee is not any official things but just a curiosity (from a point of view of typical stamp collector, like who collect new stamps emitted and is not a btc collector).
E.g.
As collector of Italian stamps, I can also create my commemoratives series:
"Siracusana" With value in euro http://www.ibolli.it/cat/serie/siracusana/siracusana.php
This can't be classified as "Italian Stamp" (likewise Sassone E24)
http://www.ibolli.it/php/em-italia-708-Italia%20turrita.php or collected of the piece of the series.
It's a private design not categorized in any official UPU (Universal Postage Union) catalogue.
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For some collectors, only cancels created by normal mail processing procedures are acceptable
Yes probably they are the vast majority, even because It depends from your specialization, like private issue of Italian RSI. They have their market, even their catalogue, or cited in Sassone. But in this case, only certain collectors are interested just because there is a bogus history behind the creation, and there is nothing of official about it.

- Collector of bitcoin collectibles
Yes you are perfectly right, in fact I have defined as a very great Idea Cheesy


@krogothmanhattan about the idea of stamps mailed to inbox:
excluding a FDC (First Day Cover), unless this stamp could be used for legal postage,
any envelope is pretty common (you can create when you want in any amount).

It could be more rare the "cancelled" stamps emitted by their shop, since we don't know if there is any special mark impressed on stamp, and technically, an unused stamp Smiley is ready for the use when you want, a stamp used with their mark could be no more available in their shop.

I will update my list as below:

Technically, you can collect:
- Single stamp mint (Common)
- Single stamp used (Common) (Used by any postage office)
- Single stamp used (Common) (Used by Austrian Postage Shop)
- First Day Cover (the stamp used/stamped the first day on 11 Jun 2019). Since its not advertised only local group can create it. (Rare)
- Full cover (FDC)= Stamp used for real postage First Day (single use, likewise you more for a single expedition) (Very Rare) I guess there are no more 100 pieces about that
- Full cover = Stamp used for real postage other days (Common)
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June 14, 2019, 09:10:06 PM
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It seem like the "Online Token" was limited to 500 the last 100 Token will be sold with +8% each.
56 left and the next cost now 187.38€...  Shocked

The last one will cost like ~14k€ if anyone buy the stamps before  Grin




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Right now, the best option to get those is the classic online store.
All OnChain aspects are visible only with a Web3 Browser. The very limited edition of 500 OnChain store is now basically sold out due to the price increase. There is a secondary market on opensea

My company developed all the blockchain aspects around this.
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Pm me if anyone wants to do a group buy
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It seem like the "Online Token" was limited to 500 the last 100 Token will be sold with +8% each.
56 left and the next cost now 187.38€...  Shocked

The last one will cost like ~14k€ if anyone buy the stamps before  Grin




Link -> https://crypto.post.at/onchainshop

I saw this (also saw you buying them on opensea I think). Seems like a bug in the contract. They meant to make the last 100 cost 8% more than the first ones. Instead each one is 8% more than the one before so exponential growth.  Grin

Not sure if you noticed, but it was possible (and still is) to choose the stamp you want because their smart contract dispenses them in descending order, so you can see what the next one to be sold will be...
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Right now, the best option to get those is the classic online store.
All OnChain aspects are visible only with a Web3 Browser. The very limited edition of 500 OnChain store is now basically sold out due to the price increase. There is a secondary market on opensea

My company developed all the blockchain aspects around this.

what's the difference between the "very limited edition of 500" and the rest that are being sold to the classic online store?

If I understand correctly:

In the classic online store, you get the physical stamp, and you can redeem the digital token (by scratching the card and revealing the 12-word private key seed). The colour (i.e. rarity) of the digital asset that you will receive is random

In the OnChain store, you receive the digital asset when you place the order (and send payment in ETH), and then fill the form with your delivery details in order to receive the physical stamp. The colour (i.e. rarity) of the digital asset that you will receive is kinda random (since those are being distributed in a specific token number order through the smart contract, you can always see the color rarity of the next token that is going to be distributed by the contract before placing the order. Hence you might be able to "choose" a desirable color. THose should be distributed in "random" token number order through the smart contract, and not sequentially)

What exactly makes those first 500 stamps as "very limited edition", and justifies the increasing value of those last 100 to be sold through the OnChain store? OnChain orders, will receive an envelope with a physical stamped/cancelled stamp, where the left part of the stamp (with the private key seed) will be missing? Will this onchain shop physical stamp will be differentiated from the physical stamps received through the  classic online store? (hence that's the limited edition status?)

please elaborate  Smiley

edit:

going to the following URL https://crypto.post.at/asset you can scan the QR on the physical card (or just enter the 5 digit code on it), and see the asset that is bound with the specific physical card. I clearly understand that this is a feature for collectors. You can see the rarity of the digital asset that the physical card has, without the need of scratching any of area of the card (you only need to reveal the private key seed, if you would like to sweep it to your wallet).

I have seen in various places, photos of how those physical cards are being sold in various point of sales in Austria (please see the below photo). The QR code (and the 5 digit code) is in plain view. Hence someone could go with his/her mobile phone to a store, quickly scan the QR code of all the cards, and purchase only those cards that hold the rare red stamp digital token. I believe that the QR code should be sealed beneath the cardboard (i.e. not in a public view), and someone should be able to reveal the QR code ONLY after purchasing the card (and tear apart the cardboard).

This is not a good design approach IMO... but hey... that's just my 2 satoshis....



edit 2:

are all of the digital tokens already minted? In the different colour properties (in opensea), I can see only a portion available from the total mintage. If not, how the rest is going to be distributed?

by seeing how popular those crypto stamps (Crypto stamp Edition 1) became, any plans of producing a series 2 (edition 2) in the near future?



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Seems like these are already popular....    wow, and the price?  seems like these may be a good collectible Huh

And this is just the US Ebay. I imagine the UK/DE (or other) Ebay sites might have a better offering?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/FIRST-CRYPTO-STAMP-complete-set-of-5-all-color-editions-Ethereum-MINT/254264149669




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Ok...what is the best app to scan the stamps received to see what color they are!

Calling all you Mr Robots out there... Wink

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Ok...what is the best app to scan the stamps received to see what color they are!

Calling all you Mr Robots out there... Wink

just put the 6 digit code (located at the at the far right of the stamp, and marked as [1]) here: https://crypto.post.at/asset
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June 15, 2019, 02:20:29 PM
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2 complete sets of 5 colours have been sold for 999 usd.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/FIRST-CRYPTO-STAMP-complete-set-of-5-all-color-editions-Ethereum-MINT/254263739076?hash=item3b334cc2c4:g:AKMAAOSw7A9dA1Mc

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It seems there is also a letter for subscribers of  the postal service Wink

https://www.ebay.at/itm/Osterreich-2019-Block-CRYPTO-STAMP-postfrisch/153516614934?hash=item23be4da516:g:G84AAOSwos5c-U4t
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The price is now $2999  Shocked

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June 15, 2019, 03:39:41 PM
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So is the website you posted in op valid to purchase from?
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