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July 11, 2019, 03:05:04 PM
Last edit: July 11, 2019, 03:36:08 PM by krogothmanhattan
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PS: @krogo -- I wonder if the 5 stamps you got loose, are "stamped" versions. If yes you got even more lucky!!

Stopped by my bank vault to check...none of the solo stamps were stamped.  Undecided

  But still grateful for what I received. Cheesy

  

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July 11, 2019, 09:14:41 PM
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my orders from the onchain shop arrived! Grin
Let me explain (& listed) the differences (compared to the online postal office shop orders)

- I bought 2 stamps from the onchain shop. Each stamp arrived at a separate envelope (i.e. as 2 different separate orders)
- both envelopes arrived with register mail, and was delivered by a local mail courier service - door delivery/signature required. Both orders from the online shop, arrived with snail mail (no tracking number/signature requred), and delivered from the local national postal service (i.e. postman just placed them to my mailbox)

- the cover letter and the items return form, were all in English. (everything was in the English language). In contrast, all the included documents -in my online shop order- were in the German language.
- The onchain physical stamp looks exactly the same as the rest of the crypto stamps.  Undecided Cry
- The only differentiation (and what makes it special) is that: When I placed the order at the onchain shop, I received the digital stamp in my wallet. That stamp had a 6digit serial number. The physical stamp that I received has the same exact serial number. However, the stamp is still in mint condition (i.e. the private key & all the fields are still sealed/ not scratched).

So I ended up with a physical stamp, that none of its fields is scratched BUT at the same time, the digital token is redeemed/transferred (since it is my ETH addy).

I guess that's the only innovation/differentiation of them (+ the fact that just this kind of dispatching method from Austria to my country, usually costs more than the 6.90€ that I paid for the stamp alone  Tongue)
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July 15, 2019, 09:10:24 PM
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my orders from the onchain shop arrived! Grin
Let me explain (& listed) the differences (compared to the online postal office shop orders)

- I bought 2 stamps from the onchain shop. Each stamp arrived at a separate envelope (i.e. as 2 different separate orders)
- both envelopes arrived with register mail, and was delivered by a local mail courier service - door delivery/signature required. Both orders from the online shop, arrived with snail mail (no tracking number/signature requred), and delivered from the local national postal service (i.e. postman just placed them to my mailbox)

- the cover letter and the items return form, were all in English. (everything was in the English language). In contrast, all the included documents -in my online shop order- were in the German language.
- The onchain physical stamp looks exactly the same as the rest of the crypto stamps.  Undecided Cry
- The only differentiation (and what makes it special) is that: When I placed the order at the onchain shop, I received the digital stamp in my wallet. That stamp had a 6digit serial number. The physical stamp that I received has the same exact serial number. However, the stamp is still in mint condition (i.e. the private key & all the fields are still sealed/ not scratched).

So I ended up with a physical stamp, that none of its fields is scratched BUT at the same time, the digital token is redeemed/transferred (since it is my ETH addy).

I guess that's the only innovation/differentiation of them (+ the fact that just this kind of dispatching method from Austria to my country, usually costs more than the 6.90€ that I paid for the stamp alone  Tongue)


I had my OCS stamp today, with the same findings.

The only difference is that the OCS stamp stays unscratched,
while the digital asset/Token is in our wallet, so it can be sold while the physical stamp stays in mint condition Wink
The codes under the scratch field don't even have use anymore, since they were meant for the first wallet,
so these codes are useless and thus can be kept covered and mint  Wink

A stamp with a paper wallet always is sold with his digital asset attached,
when scratched, the digital asset can be moved (sold) separately, but then the physical stamp is scratched...

A OCS can be sold physically (mint) and the digital asset can be sold separately as well!

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July 15, 2019, 09:40:30 PM
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So... Does this mean physical stamp buyers need to do anything to ensure it's not redeemed/whatever? I guess I'm more confused now.....  How do you know the eth addy unless you bought via OCS? Is there any way to tell if a physical has been redeemed other than scratching? My point is - could someone sell a physical stamp as "unredeemed", when in fact it is not?   Thanks.... Huh
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So... Does this mean physical stamp buyers need to do anything to ensure it's not redeemed/whatever? I guess I'm more confused now.....  How do you know the eth addy unless you bought via OCS? Is there any way to tell if a physical has been redeemed other than scratching? My point is - could someone sell a physical stamp as "unredeemed", when in fact it is not?   Thanks.... Huh

Well, the OCS stamps have the Token ID 149.500 - 149.999, the ones with paper wallet have the Token ID 0 - 149.499.

Once you know the Token ID, it helps a lot.

If it is between 0 - 149.499 and the scratch layers are intact, you are sure the digital asset still is attached.

How to find out what Token ID you have...

Scan the QR code or enter the "Code [1]" at https://crypto.post.at/asset

When you see:

TRANSFERIEREN SIE IHRE CRYPTO STAMP:
Diese Crypto stamp wurde mit einem Paper-Wallet gekauft.

Then know it is one of the 149.500 with a paper wallet, if it is unscratched, you're fine!

When you're on that page, Right-click (or tap with with 2 fingers (mac)) on any page element and select Inspect Element.
Then search for "Elements", "Console", "Sources",...

Choose "Console" and you will you will find between the text:

Edition: 1    Asset: ... (between brackets is the Token ID!)

Now you have the Token ID!

If you have an OCS stamp, you can place the Token ID instead of the "0"

https://crypto.post.at/CS1/meta/0

For example:

A stamp has the Asset code: 39YLhW

>>> https://crypto.post.at/CS1/39YLhW

I see in the "Console"

>>> Edition: 1    Asset: 39YLhW (74097)

Then
>>> https://crypto.post.at/CS1/meta/74097

And this is visible:

{"description":"Crypto stamp Edition 1 (CS1), ID 39YLhW",
"home_url":"https://crypto.post.at/CS1/39YLhW",
"image_url":"https://crypto.post.at/CS1/image/GREEN",
"name":"Crypto stamp 39YLhW",
"properties":[{"key":"shop_status","type":"string","value":"None"},
{"key":"deliverable","type":"integer","value":0},
{"key":"color","type":"string","value":"green"}],"tags":[]}

"shop_status" "None" = NOT OCS

Other example:
An UNSOLD OCS:


3RrbDN

>>> https://crypto.post.at/CS1/3RrbDN
>>> Edition: 1    Asset: 3RrbDN (149501)
>>> https://crypto.post.at/CS1/meta/149501

{"description":"Crypto stamp Edition 1 (CS1), ID 3RrbDN",
"home_url":"https://crypto.post.at/CS1/3RrbDN",
"image_url":"https://crypto.post.at/CS1/image/GREEN",
"name":"Crypto stamp 3RrbDN",
"properties":[{"key":"shop_status","type":"string","value":"Initial"},
{"key":"deliverable","type":"integer","value":0},
{"key":"color","type":"string","value":"green"}],"tags":[]}

"shop_status" "Initial" = OCS Stamp, unsold

Other example:
A SOLD OCS, unshipped:


6KPCCF

>>> https://crypto.post.at/CS1/6KPCCF
>>> Edition: 1    Asset: 6KPCCF (149960)
>>> https://crypto.post.at/CS1/meta/149960

{"description":"Crypto stamp Edition 1 (CS1), ID 6KPCCF",
"home_url":"https://crypto.post.at/CS1/6KPCCF",
"image_url":"https://crypto.post.at/CS1/image/GREEN",
"name":"Crypto stamp 6KPCCF",
"properties":[{"key":"shop_status","type":"string","value":"Sold"},
{"key":"deliverable","type":"integer","value":1},
{"key":"color","type":"string","value":"green"}],"tags":[]}

"shop_status" "Sold" = OCS sold
"deliverable" "1" = unshipped


Other example:
A SOLD OCS, shipped (to me Smiley):


71Qrnr

>>> https://crypto.post.at/CS1/71Qrnr
>>> Edition: 1    Asset: 71Qrnr (149919)
>>> https://crypto.post.at/CS1/meta/149919

{"description":"Crypto stamp Edition 1 (CS1), ID 71Qrnr",
"home_url":"https://crypto.post.at/CS1/71Qrnr",
"image_url":"https://crypto.post.at/CS1/image/GREEN",
"name":"Crypto stamp 71Qrnr",
"properties":[{"key":"shop_status","type":"string","value":"ShippingSubmitted"},
{"key":"deliverable","type":"integer","value":0},
{"key":"color","type":"string","value":"green"}],"tags":[]}

"shop_status" "ShippingSubmitted" &
"deliverable" "0" = OCS sold & shipped


Hope this helps...

(By strange chance I seem to have picked all GREEN ones Grin)
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July 15, 2019, 10:28:37 PM
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So... Does this mean physical stamp buyers need to do anything to ensure it's not redeemed/whatever? I guess I'm more confused now.....  How do you know the eth addy unless you bought via OCS? Is there any way to tell if a physical has been redeemed other than scratching? My point is - could someone sell a physical stamp as "unredeemed", when in fact it is not?   Thanks.... Huh

Maybe this can help as well, just my way of explaining what these stamps are...

Using the Crypto Stamp:

Each stamp has 2 parts.

The left part, which is stylized with a unicorn associated with Ethereum,
functions as a "standard stamp" that can be used to send mail. (€6,90)
This part has a QR code of the digital asset/Token

The right part, on the other hand, contains the credentials used to
authenticate the crypto collectible (digital asset/Token) via blockchain.

This is the “digital stamp” and contains 3 codes [1], [2] & [3]

This "digital stamp" (right part) is like a vault with a inside a wallet
which contains a precious gem (= digital asset/Token).

The wallet contains the digital asset/Token CS1 (CryptoStamp 1)
and Ξ 0.001666666666666666 (= ETH or ETHEREUM, a crypto currency)
which can be use to pay for transactions/transfers.


Code [1] is, so of speak, the serial number of the gem (digital asset/Token)
= 1 of 150.000 pieces, each one has 1 (digital) colour
(Black, Green, Blue, Yellow or Red).

When seeing the physical stamp, it isn't possible to see its (digital) colour.
Black, Green, Blue, Yellow or Red, physically they all have the same appearance.

Scanning the QR code or entering the "code [1]" online at "crypto.post.at/CS1" (> "asset")
reveals the digital colour of the digital asset/Token (Black, Green, Blue, Yellow or Red),
as well as its history! (for example which ETH address purchased it, and when)
Anyone can see what the colour is of each Token,
but only the owner can do something with the Token.

_______________________________________________________________________________ _________________________

Using the "digital asset/Token":


The 150.000 are/were sold through 1 series of 149.500 pieces and another series of 500 pieces.

Series 1:

When you have purchased 1 of the 149.500 stamps which has a “paper wallet”
you can sell this "vault" (right part, containing the wallet and gem locked inside)
together with the left part (€6,90) to anyone. Only whoever holds the key can unlock the vault,
and then sell the "gem" (digital asset/Token). The gem goes then from the wallet to another one’s wallet.
Everything is recorded on the Ethereum Blockchain.

The key to open the vault is scratching the scratch fields.

The code hidden under scratch field [2] is the (address of the) wallet.

The code hidden under scratch field [3] is the key to open and use the wallet

which makes it possible to sell and/or transfer the digital asset/Token.

Then you’ll have
1 scratched physical stamp and
1 saleable/transferable digital asset/Token


Series 2:

When you have purchased 1 of the 500 stamps
the "gem" (digital asset/Token) isn’t in its originally assigned "vault",

the Token is already out of its ("first") wallet
and is put digitally into the new owner’s wallet.
The "digital asset/Token" can already be sold separately.

Furthermore, the key to unlock the "vault" is unused as
the digital asset/Token wasn't in the 1st wallet to begin with.

The "vault" is kept closed because the keys (under the scratch fields) have
no use anymore, therefore the scratch fields on the physical stamp remain intact!

In this case you’ll have
1 unscratched physical stamp and
1 saleable/transferable digital asset/Token

which both can be sold separately.

Hope this helps...

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Thanks a lot!! You should post this separately, this is great info for buyers and collectors. Grin

I'd merit your post but I'm just about out for now.... Tongue

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Thanks a lot!! You should post this separately, this is great info for buyers and collectors. Grin

I'd merit your post but I'm just about out for now.... Tongue

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Thanks a lot!! You should post this separately, this is great info for buyers and collectors. Grin

I'd merit your post but I'm just about out for now.... Tongue

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Well, thank you very much guys!
I'm very honoured!
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Thanks a lot!! You should post this separately, this is great info for buyers and collectors. Grin

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Well, thank you very much guys!
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You are very welcome...merited your posts too Wink

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Thanks a lot!! You should post this separately, this is great info for buyers and collectors. Grin

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Here is an update, regarding the FDCs.


Redently I stumbled upon an auction with the info "only 2500 FDCs in total issued": See here
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25                   rote               
167                 gelbe             
333                 blaue           
667                 grüne und               
1308               schwarze 
I contacted the seller and they said, the info came from the official collectors-info of the Austrian post (they have a dedicated phone number for related questions). I couldn't quite believe it, since that would mean there are less black FDCs than red normal stamps. So I tried calling them.  After several attempts I was able to get through today.

The info I got was as follow:
Usually approx 1/4 is sold as first day issue letters (FDCs). However due to the enormous demand of the regular stamp this time a lot less FDCs were produced. Unfortunatelly they couldn't give me exact numbers.  Angry Cheesy
But I also couldn't get the 2500 confirmed. So my guess is something in-between ~1/8th to 1/20th maybe.
If anyone can come up with more solid numbers, that would be great. However it seems proper accounting is near to non-existant, so not sure if we will ever get solid numbers from them.

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July 16, 2019, 05:20:35 PM
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25 red
167 yellow
333 blue
667 green and
1308 black

  Thankyou!

I couldn't confirm these numbers. Tried contacting the seller again, maybe he can forward the alleged email he got.
But even if these numbers turn out to be not true, what I got to know shows, that there are much less than normal stamps. Maybe somewhere around 7500 - 15000 (5 - 10%).

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SO basically all these FDCs are pretty rare!  HODLING onto mine  Wink...still looking for that elusive red!  Tongue

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July 16, 2019, 06:19:51 PM
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Here is an update, regarding the FDCs.


Redently I stumbled upon an auction with the info "only 2500 FDCs in total issued": See here
Quote
25                   rote               
167                 gelbe             
333                 blaue           
667                 grüne und               
1308               schwarze 
I contacted the seller and they said, the info came from the official collectors-info of the Austrian post (they have a dedicated phone number for related questions). I couldn't quite believe it, since that would mean there are less black FDCs than red normal stamps. So I tried calling them.  After several attempts I was able to get through today.

The info I got was as follow:
Usually approx 1/4 is sold as first day issue letters (FDCs). However due to the enormous demand of the regular stamp this time a lot less FDCs were produced. Unfortunatelly they couldn't give me exact numbers.  Angry Cheesy
But I also couldn't get the 2500 confirmed. So my guess is something in-between ~1/8th to 1/20th maybe.
If anyone can come up with more solid numbers, that would be great. However it seems proper accounting is near to non-existant, so not sure if we will ever get solid numbers from them.

I think this was pretty much expected,

Also not sure if anyone has any info on the stamped vs. non-stamped stamps that were sold.

Someone did mentioned earlier that since most of the people didn't know the difference and hence ordered the non-stamped versions..

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Here is an update, regarding the FDCs.


Redently I stumbled upon an auction with the info "only 2500 FDCs in total issued": See here
Quote
25                   rote               
167                 gelbe             
333                 blaue           
667                 grüne und               
1308               schwarze 
I contacted the seller and they said, the info came from the official collectors-info of the Austrian post (they have a dedicated phone number for related questions). I couldn't quite believe it, since that would mean there are less black FDCs than red normal stamps. So I tried calling them.  After several attempts I was able to get through today.

The info I got was as follow:
Usually approx 1/4 is sold as first day issue letters (FDCs). However due to the enormous demand of the regular stamp this time a lot less FDCs were produced. Unfortunatelly they couldn't give me exact numbers.  Angry Cheesy
But I also couldn't get the 2500 confirmed. So my guess is something in-between ~1/8th to 1/20th maybe.
If anyone can come up with more solid numbers, that would be great. However it seems proper accounting is near to non-existant, so not sure if we will ever get solid numbers from them.


Sorry, but that is not true. I have contact with the Austrian Collectors Service and even they don't have exact numbers. The seller provided a wrong information and it looks like there are more FDCs, because many collectors pre-ordered them. As far as I know, there are also more FDCs than "normal stamped" ones. Based on a estimation of one of the workers at the ACS. There are also some unique editions signed by the artist and also some stamps in little acrylic-glas cubes.

Getting a full first day stamped set will be the hardest.
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Someone did mentioned earlier that since most of the people didn't know the difference and hence ordered the non-stamped versions..

Also here are no exact numbers, but I got the info from the ACS that mostly unstamped were sold and just a minor amount of stamped ones.

I assume most people wanted "postfresh" and untouched stamps. I saw more FDC full sets than first day stamped sets and with the info from the
ACS I think the stamped version is even rarer.

Unfortunately, I also got the info, that the post will not do a statistic...


RUMORS are: there will be a new crypto stamp in 2020 - got that info from another worker at the Austrian Post Collectors Service. But this are just rumors... nothing concrete... for now :-)
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July 17, 2019, 09:18:28 AM
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one red FDC is available

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Crypto-Stamp-RED-ROT-Osterreich-Austria-2019-FDC-Ersttagsbrief-Ethereum/264398367182?hash=item3d8f5ee9ce:g:WWkAAOSwJ6JdF60S


and also just one first day stamped set

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Crypto-COMPLETE-FIRSTDAY-SET-red-yellow-blue-green-black-USED-GESTEMPELT/183883761217?hash=item2ad0538641:g:ZmIAAOSwFKddKzH4


Hope my infos help you guys, even if we all would love to have exact numbers :-D
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