ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod]

[Vishnu.Reang]

I was expecting at least a win from Virat and co but not seeing one from one of the best ODI ranking team was surprising for me. I used to believe that inform Indian team can beat any team with whatever lineup they have but I was wrong.

It's one of those surprise when reality does not meet the expectation.

Anyway.. it was not like they lost the matches by 100 runs or more. All the three matches were pretty close. And the reason why India lost, was due to the poor performance from 2-3 players. Captain Virat Kohli took some very brave decisions, such as resting Rohit Sharma and sending Prithvi Shaw to open the batting. It didn't worked that well, but I would still appreciate his boldness to experiment.

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Anyway.. it was not like they lost the matches by 100 runs or more. All the three matches were pretty close. And the reason why India lost, was due to the poor performance from 2-3 players. Captain Virat Kohli took some very brave decisions, such as resting Rohit Sharma and sending Prithvi Shaw to open the batting. It didn't worked that well, but I would still appreciate his boldness to experiment.

If you look at that way then the T20 series was much closer where two matches were tied and India won in the super over, in the ODI it was comfortable win for New Zealand, Rohit Sharma was rested because he injured his shoulders and he need time to heel and the performance of Prithvi Shaw was decent and he needs time to develop himself and he will be an asset in the future. The bowlers were having a hard time to contain the runs and the batsman dominated the series.

[amishmanish]

According to Virat these experiment can help India's cause in the long term as ODI game are not primary focus right now due to T-20 World Cup. They tried 2 back-up openers and it failed but they should keep try new combination even if its fail, same goes with the bowling. 

I don't know. Virat seems to be experimenting a bit too much in the ODI format these days. He backed Pant for a long time even when the crowd felt disappointed with his performances and his injury was the primary reason he got replaced.

He needs to continue improving his captaincy skills since he has a long way to go in order to match someone like MSD(Especially in the ODI format). His long term plan seems to be failing since Thakur is easily one of the worst Indian bowlers I have seen in recent times(Even though he takes wickets regularly).

Virat is pretty much the polar opposite of MSD in terms of demeanor and their outward approach to the game. The angry young boy vs the Mr. Cool. T20 seems to have become too much of a forte for the team. There was a time when we used to complain about declining Test performances due to too many ODIs. Is it the ODIs now suffering due to the T20s?

Also, as far as experiments are concerned, What exactly is the non-functioning Head Coach and adopted daamad of Indian cricket doing?

[Indymoney]

I was expecting at least a win from Virat and co but not seeing one from one of the best ODI ranking team was surprising for me. I used to believe that inform Indian team can beat any team with whatever lineup they have but I was wrong.

It's one of those surprise when reality does not meet the expectation.

Anyway.. it was not like they lost the matches by 100 runs or more. All the three matches were pretty close. And the reason why India lost, was due to the poor performance from 2-3 players. Captain Virat Kohli took some very brave decisions, such as resting Rohit Sharma and sending Prithvi Shaw to open the batting. It didn't worked that well, but I would still appreciate his boldness to experiment.

We never call this was close lost or big win we mostly remember teams won and lost because its part of game and cricket is all about on your day mean in sub continent we call hockey by technique soccer by skill and cricket by chance so same happen India was doing good they clean sweap New Zealand and suddenly luck gone to home team so they have very sweet revenge with another sweap its good and quality game by both teams.

[Vishnu.Reang]

Virat is pretty much the polar opposite of MSD in terms of demeanor and their outward approach to the game. The angry young boy vs the Mr. Cool. T20 seems to have become too much of a forte for the team. There was a time when we used to complain about declining Test performances due to too many ODIs. Is it the ODIs now suffering due to the T20s?

Also, as far as experiments are concerned, What exactly is the non-functioning Head Coach and adopted daamad of Indian cricket doing?

Virat is more like Saurav Ganguly when he was the captain, and Mahendra Singh Dhoni remembers me of Mohammad Azharuddin. Both are polar opposite, with the first one being overly aggressive and the second one being overly mild natured. BTW, I don't understand the role of daamad (Ravi Shastri) in the team. I am yet to see any positive contribution from this guy. 

[amishmanish]

BTW, I don't understand the role of daamad (Ravi Shastri) in the team. I am yet to see any positive contribution from this guy. 

Thats the thing. At all previous instances we have head coaches that were contributing in terms of the dynamics within the team. Gary Kirsten came up with the idea of bringing a mental coach and those were some of the things that really helped show way to Ganguly's natural instincts.
Kirsten and Dhoni had a really remarkable partnership too. Things kindda took a bad turn from there as the coaches seem to have lost the same sort of presence or even control. Kumble resigned due to differences with Kohli. Ravi Shastri just seems to have gotten in as a Kohli choice.

This is one of the reasons that every time i see Ravi Shastri sitting nonchalantly wearing his stupid shades and looking like he is sitting on a beach while the team plays, I think to myself  "What the fuck is this man doing? Somebody just give him a martini and complete the look"

[UmerIdrees]

Throughout the entire world cup league more players were identified who'll go forward reaching the senior teams. Anyhow the country celebrates the victory as world cup is a dream for every cricket playing country.

The celebrations will last for a long long time for Bangladesh and it will be talked about for a long time.

[onrise]

I was expecting at least a win from Virat and co but not seeing one from one of the best ODI ranking team was surprising for me. I used to believe that inform Indian team can beat any team with whatever lineup they have but I was wrong.

It's one of those surprise when reality does not meet the expectation.

Anyway.. it was not like they lost the matches by 100 runs or more. All the three matches were pretty close. And the reason why India lost, was due to the poor performance from 2-3 players. Captain Virat Kohli took some very brave decisions, such as resting Rohit Sharma and sending Prithvi Shaw to open the batting. It didn't worked that well, but I would still appreciate his boldness to experiment.

I do agree that it was a good decision to rest some and let new players also get some exposure . But if we see that NZ confidence would have being killed by whitewash In T20 series by 5-0 and this advantage team India could not take considering they still had a good and a balanced side . NZ has put double efforts from overcoming loss and and even winning it 3-0 .

[FIFA worldcup]

It appears to me that clean sweep is coming in next couple of hours   considering kiwis are marching comfortably. This ODI series not looking good for Indian bowlers, they might want to forget this as quick as possible, Even Bumrah.

Edit 1  oops Danger man Guptill out, Bowled!

Agreed. I feel India has been let down by the newbies a bit too often(Mayank, Samson etc) which is why they have been losing quite often. Without Rohit and Dhawan at the helm, majority of the Indian batting order seems to be sinking.

Rahul was the only consistent player throughout the series and I am glad that India stuck with him despite his poor form in 2019. Bowling wise, they definitely need to give bowlers like Chahar more chances. Disappointing to see India bowling so badly(Even Boom Boom is under-performing).

According to Virat these experiment can help India's cause in the long term as ODI game are not primary focus right now due to T-20 World Cup. They tried 2 back-up openers and it failed but they should keep try new combination even if its fail, same goes with the bowling. 

Why would you do experiments when your team is performing so well ?

As told by many experts, you should not change the winning combination. Too much experiment and changes will bring bad affect to the team, and this is what happened with Indian team lately and they had to face a white wash in ODI.

[Maheshkumar_Hrangkhawl]

Why would you do experiments when your team is performing so well ?

As told by many experts, you should not change the winning combination. Too much experiment and changes will bring bad affect to the team, and this is what happened with Indian team lately and they had to face a white wash in ODI.

They are not experimenting much. Prithvi Shaw got a slot only because Rohit Sharma was unfit as a result of injury. And I guess some of their regular bowlers were injured as well and that's why Shardul Thakur and Navdeep Saini got selected. The former was very inconsistent, while the latter bowled with a lot of discipline. Some of their selections actually worked, such as the inclusion of Yuzvendra Chahal.

[Swordsoffreedom]

You know that,
The current hottest & overlooked topic in the world cricket history is the winning of Under 19 World Cup.
The luckiest team is Bangladesh,   you know that, India is one of the strongest teams in the world and the former world champions
and Bangladesh has achieved this victory against India team. Even Bangladesh own this world cup as an unbeaten team.
This wining is their biggest achievement in any World Cup event.  

It was an one-day international (ODI) cricket tournament and really this final match was very exciting & I enjoyed it very much.

[UmerIdrees]

You know that,
The current hottest & overlooked topic in the world cricket history is the winning of Under 19 World Cup.

Yes, We know that 
This topic and news is not overlooked and you will find a lot of discussion about it in the last 2 - 3 pages of this thread. Under 19 World Cup has gained a lot of popularity after this upset.

[RapTarX]

Bad days for team India. Lost the u19 final battle to Bangladesh, got whitewashed after 31 years (last one was 1989). I was out of gambling for a long time because of being busy in IRL, otherwise could have realized  a good amount of BTC lost 
Indian batting was not that bad but look at Navdeep and Shardul; they were way much expensive. Bumra was less expensive but failed to pick some wickets. What happened with Shami? Wasn't he in the squad? He was doing pretty well.

[7788bitcoin]

The celebrations will last for a long long time for Bangladesh and it will be talked about for a long time.

The ICC have taken note of the wild celebration and have taken action against five players, three from Bangladesh and two players from India for breaching the conduct.  Towhid Hridoy, Shamim Hossain and Rakibul Hasan from Bangladesh and Akash Singh and Ravi Bishnoi are the players according to reports and they will get suspended for a few matches.

[JSRAW]

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I don't know. Virat seems to be experimenting a bit too much in the ODI format these days. He backed Pant for a long time even when the crowd felt disappointed with his performances and his injury was the primary reason he got replaced.

He needs to continue improving his captaincy skills since he has a long way to go in order to match someone like MSD(Especially in the ODI format). His long term plan seems to be failing since Thakur is easily one of the worst Indian bowlers I have seen in recent times(Even though he takes wickets regularly).

Experiment looks bad when team lose the game but same experiment clicked perfectly in T-20 Games so for time being i am willing to cut some slack to this approach or Virat. Having said that i don't want to see single experiment and any surprise in the Test Series and i hope Virat & Co goes with their winning combination.

About his captaincy, Usually i am very critical of Virat's captaincy in the shorter format. But IMHO after World Cup failure he's growing quite well in this role. May be because he knows Dhoni is not coming back so he's using his brain or something? not sure but little observation.

What exactly is the non-functioning Head Coach and adopted daamad of Indian cricket doing?

Cheer leading is tough task 

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Why would you do experiments when your team is performing so well ?

As told by many experts, you should not change the winning combination. Too much experiment and changes will bring bad affect to the team, and this is what happened with Indian team lately and they had to face a white wash in ODI.

After 2nd ODI he gave statement that ODI are not relevant this year as compared to Test (WTC) and T-20 (WC) so he and management wants to try new players.

[Haunebu]

Virat is pretty much the polar opposite of MSD in terms of demeanor and their outward approach to the game. The angry young boy vs the Mr. Cool. T20 seems to have become too much of a forte for the team. There was a time when we used to complain about declining Test performances due to too many ODIs. Is it the ODIs now suffering due to the T20s?

Possible. They are missing many of their senior players(Bhuvi, Hardik etc) and are clearly taking way too many risks with new players during do or die matches(The 2nd ODI for example) and the T-20 format probably influenced these decisions.

Also, as far as experiments are concerned, What exactly is the non-functioning Head Coach and adopted daamad of Indian cricket doing?

Lol. He is enjoying the life getting clicked with random girls. Have no idea what he is doing behind the scenes with Kohli which is why I won't comment on his mentoring though.

[BitSat19]

The celebrations will last for a long long time for Bangladesh and it will be talked about for a long time.

The ICC have taken note of the wild celebration and have taken action against five players, three from Bangladesh and two players from India for breaching the conduct.  Towhid Hridoy, Shamim Hossain and Rakibul Hasan from Bangladesh and Akash Singh and Ravi Bishnoi are the players according to reports and they will get suspended for a few matches.

This was very important for many to follow in future as I watch this match really feeling shame these are future players they need to be better but this all give very negativity to all followers and sports lovers I check mostly this started by Bangladesh boys because as they came upper hand they was out of control which is never been accepted in any way.

[Vishnu.Reang]

Also, as far as experiments are concerned, What exactly is the non-functioning Head Coach and adopted daamad of Indian cricket doing?

Lol. He is enjoying the life getting clicked with random girls. Have no idea what he is doing behind the scenes with Kohli which is why I won't comment on his mentoring though.

He is the choice of the Indian players. If they hire a foreign coach, then the players may not get adjusted to the rigorous training schedules and rules (this has happened whenever the Indian team had foreign coaches, such as John Wright, Greg Chappell and Gary Kirsten). Chappell in particular had a stormy relationship with many of the players. Shastri is lenient and allows whatever the players want to do. For the BCCI, it is just another position which they can auction off to the highest bidder.

[onrise]

Bad days for team India. Lost the u19 final battle to Bangladesh, got whitewashed after 31 years (last one was 1989). I was out of gambling for a long time because of being busy in IRL, otherwise could have realized  a good amount of BTC lost 
Indian batting was not that bad but look at Navdeep and Shardul; they were way much expensive. Bumra was less expensive but failed to pick some wickets. What happened with Shami? Wasn't he in the squad? He was doing pretty well.

In U19 World Cup, Bangladesh’s patience in the end helped them to win the cup because after 7 down if they lost another wicket they would have lost the match . They only scored runs on bad balls and waited for it.  While on other hand NZ batsman were too good in third match because they were hitting six to somebody likes of Bumrah. This itself means that NZ has comeback strongly after losing the T20 series .

[Haunebu]

Experiment looks bad when team lose the game but same experiment clicked perfectly in T-20 Games so for time being i am willing to cut some slack to this approach or Virat. Having said that i don't want to see single experiment and any surprise in the Test Series and i hope Virat & Co goes with their winning combination.

You have to admit that luck helped them in a major way since winning 2 super overs in a row is no joke. Everything clicked perfectly for India primarily due to NZ choking at the end of several matches. I don't think Virat would take any risks with the test format though.

About his captaincy, Usually i am very critical of Virat's captaincy in the shorter format. But IMHO after World Cup failure he's growing quite well in this role. May be because he knows Dhoni is not coming back so he's using his brain or something? not sure but little observation.

Makes sense. I do enjoy Kohli's outbursts as a captain which shows his fighting spirit and he does tend to give newbies like Pant a lot of chances despite severe criticism, but he needs to make changes wherever necessary if he wants to become a better captain in the long term.