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Question: 2024/2025 La Liga Champion will be
Barcelona - 22 (42.3%)
Real Madrid - 27 (51.9%)
Atletico Madrid - 0 (0%)
Sevilla - 0 (0%)
Valencia - 0 (0%)
Villareal - 1 (1.9%)
Real Sociedad - 2 (3.8%)
Other - 0 (0%)
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October 28, 2023, 12:27:18 PM
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Lewandowski, Raphina and Kounde are all ready to return to strengthen Barcelona in the El Clasico match against Real Madrid, while De Jong, Pedri and Sergi Roberto are still out because they have not yet recovered from injury. I think this is both good and bad news for Barcelona because even though some of their players have returned, they will still lose players.

On the other hand, Real Madrid is also in almost a similar situation because they will still not be strengthened by Militao and Courtois who are still not recovering from injuries. I think the two teams' positions are balanced and perhaps each of the key players in this match will again be the difference in the outcome of the match. Despite all that, I still hope that the two teams will attack each other and of course the El Clasico match is very full of commotion and I hope that will happen to make the match even more exciting.
There are important players that are unavailable on the pitch, though my expectations of actions will become lesser because of the absence of these players. El Clasico is today and there's enough actions to expect in the game. Xavi Hernandez will strengthen his players with formidable strategy. What stats are we going to be looking at presently? I'm confident about the present form of Real Madrid, because they won't dare to jeopardize their chances of winning the Blaugrana today. Anyway, we expects the very best performance from both sides today.

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October 28, 2023, 12:29:05 PM
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and regarding Real Madrid, they will play away against Barcelona, even though I am a Madrid fan, I doubt that my favorite team can win against Barcelona because home advantage always provides a big opportunity, but I still hope that Madrid will win in the upcoming match.
Playing with a complete set of players and as hosts, it is clear that Madrid are very favored, I am not a Madrid fan but I am sure they will get full points today even though they only win narrowly, because of course Barcelona will play defensively to not lose points so that their position is not right. threatened in the top standings and lagging behind other clubs such as Girona and Madrid, making it difficult to win the title this season.

Xavi will also of course play young players to cover positions where their key players are still injured and unable to play, I'm also not sure Barcelona will win but he will probably play defensively or take advantage of counter-attack gaps, because of course Madrid will play attacking, whatever we will see the results in a few hours. My prediction is that Madrid will win 1 - 0 against Barcelona today.
Real Madrid aren't gonna play the game at home rather they'll be host by Barcelona at the Camp Nou. That being said, as a Real Madrid fan who's seen the club's results and performance this season, I'm very optimistic that Madrid will be leaving the Barcelona ground today with maximum three points.
Stopping Real Madrid with their current playing pattern is very difficult because Jude Bellingham who's the club's top scorer this season plays a free role that he he joins attack whenever the ball is in the opponents half and helps his team by falling back when they're defending. Barcelona also have all it takes to beat Real Madrid but that I don't think will happen. It'll either be a Real Madrid win all the two teams will share points.

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October 28, 2023, 12:49:18 PM
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and regarding Real Madrid, they will play away against Barcelona, even though I am a Madrid fan, I doubt that my favorite team can win against Barcelona because home advantage always provides a big opportunity, but I still hope that Madrid will win in the upcoming match.
Playing with a complete set of players and as hosts, it is clear that Madrid are very favored, I am not a Madrid fan but I am sure they will get full points today even though they only win narrowly, because of course Barcelona will play defensively to not lose points so that their position is not right. threatened in the top standings and lagging behind other clubs such as Girona and Madrid, making it difficult to win the title this season.

Xavi will also of course play young players to cover positions where their key players are still injured and unable to play, I'm also not sure Barcelona will win but he will probably play defensively or take advantage of counter-attack gaps, because of course Madrid will play attacking, whatever we will see the results in a few hours. My prediction is that Madrid will win 1 - 0 against Barcelona today.

The pattern promoted by Xavi is an offensive system, and Barcelona will play with an attacking system. but the problem is in the midfield, we know very well that De Jong's absence has an impact on this match. Oriol Romeu is not a bad player, it's just that he will often be left behind by the Madrid midfielders due to his age. not much different from Gundohan, without De Jong, Barcelona really needs his role in crucial matches like El Clasico. In essence, based on my tactical and temporary analysis, Barca will lose in the midfield sector. especially if you remember, Madrid's midfielders are very ready and young. plus, Camaviga always plays regularly. he will be at his post, when Barcelona has the ball. but don't forget, he will step up to help attack in accordance with his actual position. Apart from that, several other players also need to be paid attention to and one of them is Bellingham. Honestly, I'm not too worried about the Brazilian striker duo. what's scary is the midfielder and the attacking midfielder. That doesn't mean Vini Jr and Rodrygo won't contribute. but that's the system that Ancelotti implements.

On the other hand, we know very well that Xavi tends to use his 4-3-3 pattern. Most likely, nothing will change. But we'll see, maybe Xavi will rotate the formation and system he uses. However, Barcelona cannot be underestimated. after all, they are also good at ball control. now, how Xavi applies his system and how to get around to overthrowing Real Madrid. Also, we will see the mentality of Barcelona's young players.
Referring to betting options, Barca with @250 and Madrid with @2.65. Actually, I like the Under 3 goals option. However, because this battle involves the favorite team, of course choosing Barca is a must. winning or losing, is a normal thing that happens. I just want this fight to be an exciting and interesting match.

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October 28, 2023, 12:53:35 PM
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and regarding Real Madrid, they will play away against Barcelona, even though I am a Madrid fan, I doubt that my favorite team can win against Barcelona because home advantage always provides a big opportunity, but I still hope that Madrid will win in the upcoming match.
Playing with a complete set of players and as hosts, it is clear that Madrid are very favored, I am not a Madrid fan but I am sure they will get full points today even though they only win narrowly, because of course Barcelona will play defensively to not lose points so that their position is not right. threatened in the top standings and lagging behind other clubs such as Girona and Madrid, making it difficult to win the title this season.

Xavi will also of course play young players to cover positions where their key players are still injured and unable to play, I'm also not sure Barcelona will win but he will probably play defensively or take advantage of counter-attack gaps, because of course Madrid will play attacking, whatever we will see the results in a few hours. My prediction is that Madrid will win 1 - 0 against Barcelona today.

Barcelona shall not play openly against real madrid even when real madrid was in its prime form. Barcelona needs also to understand that if real will be playing fully offensive against barcelona. It's caused by barcelona has no good striker at this moment who can have good positioning at this moment.
It seems like that xavi will be thinking for alternative strategy against real madrid. It will be very wrong if barcelona will be going all in the offensive strategy. It is possible that Barcelona will adopt a similar strategy to their last match, employing the 4-3-3 formation. Nevertheless, I believe a more defensive approach would be prudent when facing Real Madrid. Real madrid was a club that is strongly when playing away. Xavi must also undestand it. There may be boring game too. I think that barcelona can't rely on felix caused by he played so badly as striker.

I can't even be patience to see barcelona to play against real madrid very soon. Another hottest match this week. Im betting on real madrid but still doubting my choice caused by barcelona was also a strong team now.
These clubs will be playing with their young players. It will be very interesting to see which team that has better quality.

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October 28, 2023, 01:02:10 PM
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Line up have been confirmed for both teams Barcelona vs Real Madrid will begin one hour later, Real Madrid not face problem with all squad already to play without injury and Carlo Ancelotti. On attacking line, Real Madrid have Vinicius Jr and Rodrygo with midfielder position filled by Jude Bellingham, Toni Kroos, Falverde and Aurelien Tchouameni. Have bit change with Real Madrid player composition on left defender filled by Ferland Mandy.

Robert Lewandowski have start match in the bench due he still on recovery from injury, Xavi Hernandez make change with midfielder position and put Fermin Lopez, Inigo Martinez and Ilkay Gundogan. For attacking line have  Joao Felix, Ferran Torres and Gavi push up as attacking line in this match.

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October 28, 2023, 01:10:14 PM
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Girona surprisingly achieved another positive result with a win against Celta Vigo. Girona played so dominatingly even though they failed to create many good opportunities to score goals. Celta had 1 goal controversially disallowed, that clearly changed everything for them.

Currently, Girona, who has won 9 of 11 matches, has managed to lead the standings with a 3 point advantage over Real Madrid. They deserve to celebrate this victory because they are really on a positive trend. Tomorrow's El Clasico match will be tense, but I'm sure Real Madrid will take home 3 points from Barcelona. Meanwhile, Barcelona has a home record without defeat from its last 5 matches this season in La Liga, so I hope Real Madrid can stop that even though Barcelona also has the potential to secure home points.

Girona are just playing really strongly when it comes to teamwork. This is their "magical formula" to be this much successful so far. There is nobody in the team who scores the most of the goals either. It is evenly divided between some midfielders and forwards pretty much. But I must admit that it was a really tough win today.

Girona played the second half much better. They just dominated the half and didn't give more than one chance to their opponent to go for a goal attempt. Even by this performance Girona barely scored in the first minute of the stoppage time. But they got what they wanted on a very critical week with an El Clasico.
I have to admit that if Girona really had a really great performance, how could it be that at first the match seemed like it would only end in a draw, but in the last minute when there was added time, Yangel Herrera managed to score and this was all thanks to an assist from Aleix Garcia who had a very precise ball pass target and I am a little admired but also worried that when Girona's performance continues to improve, big clubs like Barcelona and Real Madrid will have difficulty catching points from Girona.
Maybe this is an opportunity for Girona to take advantage of the situation when big clubs have a very busy schedule competing in the Champions League so that many players are tired and on this occasion Girona was able to win by more points.
All this is thanks to coach Michel who surprisingly can have a big influence on Girona success.

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October 28, 2023, 01:15:30 PM
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This will obviously be interesting because after all, the change in position in the standings is now different with Girona, who even today they were able to win with a narrow score and are temporarily at the top of the standings.
The match between Madrid and Barcelona will clearly be the difference because after all, the results that Madrid and Barcelona have received now have resulted in several shifts in the standings. But this is an advantage for Girona because regardless of the results received whether one of Barcelona and Madrid lose or maybe a draw at this time Girona will definitely benefit this week.

Real Madrid need a win to regain the lead, but if Real wins, they and Girona will be able to move slightly ahead of Barcelona, so Barcelona will try to win. For Girona, any outcome other than a Real victory would be preferable, because in this case they will stay on the top of the table.

Real Madrid - Barcelona, in addition to the fact that this is El Classico, this is also a very important match for both teams, in such matches there are almost always a lot of yellow cards, so although I don’t really like betting on statistics, today I think this is the kind of match when I can make exception. Picking a winner in this match seems like too much of a task.

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October 28, 2023, 01:17:35 PM
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Line up have been confirmed for both teams Barcelona vs Real Madrid will begin one hour later, Real Madrid not face problem with all squad already to play without injury and Carlo Ancelotti. On attacking line, Real Madrid have Vinicius Jr and Rodrygo with midfielder position filled by Jude Bellingham, Toni Kroos, Falverde and Aurelien Tchouameni. Have bit change with Real Madrid player composition on left defender filled by Ferland Mandy.

Robert Lewandowski have start match in the bench due he still on recovery from injury, Xavi Hernandez make change with midfielder position and put Fermin Lopez, Inigo Martinez and Ilkay Gundogan. For attacking line have  Joao Felix, Ferran Torres and Gavi push up as attacking line in this match.

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The line up looks good for both teams and it's nice to see that Xavi has been able to pick out his current best XI  after having several players sidelined due to injury and looking at the squad it looks good though it's filled with lots of younger players, however Realmadrid front three of Vini Jnr,Bellingham  and Rodrygo looks fantastic and they could cause a  big problem for Barcelona defense to me the only big treats in Barcelona's defense are João Cancelo and Araujo.

 However when it comes to Madrid's defense I think they're more better than that of Barcelona and got more experienced players playing in several positions of their squad, well Barcelona would have more possession on the game based on their pattern of play however Realmadrid would press them more from the flank and that's where the work of Vinicius Junior and Rodrygo comes in
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October 28, 2023, 01:29:46 PM
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Line up have been confirmed for both teams Barcelona vs Real Madrid will begin one hour later, Real Madrid not face problem with all squad already to play without injury and Carlo Ancelotti. On attacking line, Real Madrid have Vinicius Jr and Rodrygo with midfielder position filled by Jude Bellingham, Toni Kroos, Falverde and Aurelien Tchouameni. Have bit change with Real Madrid player composition on left defender filled by Ferland Mandy.

Robert Lewandowski have start match in the bench due he still on recovery from injury, Xavi Hernandez make change with midfielder position and put Fermin Lopez, Inigo Martinez and Ilkay Gundogan. For attacking line have  Joao Felix, Ferran Torres and Gavi push up as attacking line in this match.

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I thought Xavi would put Araujo in the right back position to stop Vini but it doesn't look like that's happening considering that Real Madrid now often use a 4-4-2 formation. But I think even if Vini ends up having a duel, it will still happen against Araujo or Cancelo. Ancelotti will still trust the Brazilian duo with attacking matters and with the injection of motivation from Rodrygo's previous goal against Braga last week in the UCL, this could be an important day for him to contribute to the team again.

The selection of Ferlan Mendy sometimes causes debate among fans and maybe he has to prove that Ancelotti's trust in him is very great so he doesn't make a fatal mistake. Fermin Lopez, who is Barcelona's wonderkid, will certainly be eagerly awaited for his performance in this match and considering that this is his first El Clasico, he will be very confident, as will Jude Bellingham from Real Madrid who is also expected to score another goal in this first El Clasico match.
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October 28, 2023, 01:32:16 PM
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Line up have been confirmed for both teams Barcelona vs Real Madrid will begin one hour later, Real Madrid not face problem with all squad already to play without injury and Carlo Ancelotti. On attacking line, Real Madrid have Vinicius Jr and Rodrygo with midfielder position filled by Jude Bellingham, Toni Kroos, Falverde and Aurelien Tchouameni. Have bit change with Real Madrid player composition on left defender filled by Ferland Mandy.

Robert Lewandowski have start match in the bench due he still on recovery from injury, Xavi Hernandez make change with midfielder position and put Fermin Lopez, Inigo Martinez and Ilkay Gundogan. For attacking line have  Joao Felix, Ferran Torres and Gavi push up as attacking line in this match.

Line up for el clasico match

The line up looks good for both teams and it's nice to see that Xavi has been able to pick out his current best XI  after having several players sidelined due to injury and looking at the squad it looks good though it's filled with lots of younger players, however Realmadrid front three of Vini Jnr,Bellingham  and Rodrygo looks fantastic and they could cause a  big problem for Barcelona defense to me the only big treats in Barcelona's defense are João Cancelo and Araujo.

 However when it comes to Madrid's defense I think they're more better than that of Barcelona and got more experienced players playing in several positions of their squad, well Barcelona would have more possession on the game based on their pattern of play however Realmadrid would press them more from the flank and that's where the work of Vinicius Junior and Rodrygo comes in
Usually derby matches are very difficult to predict, especially if it's Barcelona and Real Madrid. But I think that Madrid are stronger and better than Barcelona, although a lot may depend on the referee or penalties, red cards. But still I think Real Madrid will win.
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October 28, 2023, 01:47:35 PM
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The line up looks good for both teams and it's nice to see that Xavi has been able to pick out his current best XI  after having several players sidelined due to injury and looking at the squad it looks good though it's filled with lots of younger players, however Realmadrid front three of Vini Jnr,Bellingham  and Rodrygo looks fantastic and they could cause a  big problem for Barcelona defense to me the only big treats in Barcelona's defense are João Cancelo and Araujo.

 However when it comes to Madrid's defense I think they're more better than that of Barcelona and got more experienced players playing in several positions of their squad, well Barcelona would have more possession on the game based on their pattern of play however Realmadrid would press them more from the flank and that's where the work of Vinicius Junior and Rodrygo comes in
That's why this match will be a match that will make us quite entertained. Apart from the fact that the tension level is heating up and both of them don't want to just give in. Xavi Hernandez still has additional player options, even though he doesn't have much experience because almost all of them are young. Ancelotti's squad is clearly better prepared to dominate but on paper for me the two will be a draw.

Barcelona uses a 4-3-3 formation where Xavi wants to have full possession of the ball. Meanwhile, Madrid is now mostly rotating the 4-1-3-2 formation, Modric is on the bench to be prepared for the second half. Ancelotti wants to attack completely so that Modric is not in a hurry to become the starting eleven, including Camavinga who can be placed anywhere.

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October 28, 2023, 01:56:02 PM
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and regarding Real Madrid, they will play away against Barcelona, even though I am a Madrid fan, I doubt that my favorite team can win against Barcelona because home advantage always provides a big opportunity, but I still hope that Madrid will win in the upcoming match.

I think it's just me, but I'm also like you. Although Real Madrid have differences and good strengths, Barcelona are the same and I think they are better. Barcelona are very good in possession and Real Madrid always struggle to overcome that.
But I have hope Real Madrid can at least go home with a point. If they lose, they will drop down the rankings and they will find it even more difficult to compete with Barcelona.
Real Madrid and Barcelona are good performing teams in laliga, this game is unpredictable but Barcelona have home advantage that can make them to win the game.  Barcelona and Real Madrid game will be one of the most interesting game this season because this two teams are rivals to each other,  from the performance of Barcelona and Real Madrid the game may likely end up with a draw because the two teams both have quality squad to challenge each other.

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October 28, 2023, 02:14:25 PM
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and regarding Real Madrid, they will play away against Barcelona, even though I am a Madrid fan, I doubt that my favorite team can win against Barcelona because home advantage always provides a big opportunity, but I still hope that Madrid will win in the upcoming match.
I think it's just me, but I'm also like you. Although Real Madrid have differences and good strengths, Barcelona are the same and I think they are better. Barcelona are very good in possession and Real Madrid always struggle to overcome that.
But I have hope Real Madrid can at least go home with a point. If they lose, they will drop down the rankings and they will find it even more difficult to compete with Barcelona.
Real Madrid and Barcelona are good performing teams in laliga, this game is unpredictable but Barcelona have home advantage that can make them to win the game.  Barcelona and Real Madrid game will be one of the most interesting game this season because this two teams are rivals to each other,  from the performance of Barcelona and Real Madrid the game may likely end up with a draw because the two teams both have quality squad to challenge each other.
Just started watching this classic match between these two teams so it should be a good one even with Lewandowski starting on the bench.
They showed the crowd and believe it or not, The Rolling Stones are in the sands to watch this match!
So it has that celebrity status already.

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What we've all been waiting for has started now, and that's the El clasico match which always has a hot atmosphere when these two teams meet.
Real Madrid are the visitors in this match, they also have a pretty good record when competing at Barcelona headquarters. But every El clasico match will always be different from season to season. Especially now that both teams have different strengths and have changed from last season.
Who will win this match? Well that's a tough question to answer and it's one that will be answered once the game is over.
Let's see.

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October 28, 2023, 02:29:23 PM
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What we've all been waiting for has started now, and that's the El clasico match which always has a hot atmosphere when these two teams meet.
Real Madrid are the visitors in this match, they also have a pretty good record when competing at Barcelona headquarters. But every El clasico match will always be different from season to season. Especially now that both teams have different strengths and have changed from last season.
Who will win this match? Well that's a tough question to answer and it's one that will be answered once the game is over.
Let's see.
A poor defense from Alaba has given Gundogan  the opportunity to break the deadlock on the 6 minutes of the game and this has made Barcelona to take the lead in the match.

What a brilliant start for Xavi and his men in the match. Vinicius Jnr is making everything possible to see that the early goal is equalized but I don't think that is will be so soon as Barcelona are playing at home and have that as an advantage in this match. But I know that Real Madrid don't believe in home advantage.
Barca 1-0 Real Madrid.

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October 28, 2023, 02:56:08 PM
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What we've all been waiting for has started now, and that's the El clasico match which always has a hot atmosphere when these two teams meet.
Real Madrid are the visitors in this match, they also have a pretty good record when competing at Barcelona headquarters. But every El clasico match will always be different from season to season. Especially now that both teams have different strengths and have changed from last season.
Who will win this match? Well that's a tough question to answer and it's one that will be answered once the game is over.
Let's see.
A poor defense from Alaba has given Gundogan  the opportunity to break the deadlock on the 6 minutes of the game and this has made Barcelona to take the lead in the match.

What a brilliant start for Xavi and his men in the match. Vinicius Jnr is making everything possible to see that the early goal is equalized but I don't think that is will be so soon as Barcelona are playing at home and have that as an advantage in this match. But I know that Real Madrid don't believe in home advantage.
Barca 1-0 Real Madrid.

Barcelona had a great start to El Clásico. It's called El Clásico for a reason. Real Madrid won't make this match easy for Barca, that's for sure. Let's see who will score the equalizer for Real Madrid.
Gündoğan is a big-game player; he always scores in critical matches. That goal was fantastic. Barcelona is in top form despite absent of key players.
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October 28, 2023, 02:57:05 PM
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Just started watching this classic match between these two teams so it should be a good one even with Lewandowski starting on the bench.
They showed the crowd and believe it or not, The Rolling Stones are in the sands to watch this match!
So it has that celebrity status already.
Barcelona's line up, where Lewandowski sat on the bench, Barcelona appeared convincing at Camp Nou. Less than 6 minutes into the first half, Barcelona took a 1-0 lead through Gundogan's goal.
The ongoing El Clasico match is a good match. There is one thing that is different in the Barcelona line-up, played by Xavi Hernandez. Joao Cancelo plays as a wing striker. It was a different view in this match.

Even though Real Madrid is currently 1 goal behind. There is a possibility that Real Madrid will equalize the score based on the play of both teams.
Maybe a score change will occur in the second half.

 
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October 28, 2023, 03:02:23 PM
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Barca 1-0 Real Madrid.
First El Classico for Gundogan and he has scored. Real Madrid will start to chase this game again as they have been doing a lot this season. This game will be harder for them and I think they will loose if Barcelona keep on playing the way they are playing which is very good. I see many of the young players in the two teams especially in Barcelona who have never played in the El Classico and this one being their first trying to make it memorable by taking their chances when they have it. While it is good, it is necessary that the they continue to play as a team if they will want to win this game against Real Madrid who still have players with the capacity to change the game at any moment.

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October 28, 2023, 03:05:56 PM
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A poor defense from Alaba has given Gundogan  the opportunity to break the deadlock on the 6 minutes of the game and this has made Barcelona to take the lead in the match.

What a brilliant start for Xavi and his men in the match. Vinicius Jnr is making everything possible to see that the early goal is equalized but I don't think that is will be so soon as Barcelona are playing at home and have that as an advantage in this match. But I know that Real Madrid don't believe in home advantage.
Barca 1-0 Real Madrid.

Barcelona young players made Madrid defense quite easy to penetrate, Lopez, Joao Felix and Ferran Torres were quite attractive in reversing attacks. Here it is clear how difficult it was for Madrid to penetrate Barcelona's sturdy defense. Joao Cancelo and Gundogan were able to defend the midfield very well, managing to cover the movements of Vinicius, Rodrygo and Bellingham, even though they controlled the ball, Madrid players often had difficulty receiving counter attacks. Barcelona took the lead in the first half, it is worth recognizing the quality of Barcelona players, they played without Lewandoski and De Jong to be able to balance this. The lack of shots on target created by the Madrid striker makes the attack line ineffective, in my opinion Ancelotti should just use Diaz or Joselu instead of Rodrygo.

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October 28, 2023, 03:12:06 PM
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A poor defense from Alaba has given Gundogan  the opportunity to break the deadlock on the 6 minutes of the game and this has made Barcelona to take the lead in the match.

What a brilliant start for Xavi and his men in the match. Vinicius Jnr is making everything possible to see that the early goal is equalized but I don't think that is will be so soon as Barcelona are playing at home and have that as an advantage in this match. But I know that Real Madrid don't believe in home advantage.
Barca 1-0 Real Madrid.
It's still about the first half, but Barcelona's performance puts Real Madrid's defense in danger. Fermin Lopez almost scored the second goal to double Barcelona's lead, but unfortunately his shot hit the goal post which Kepa was guarding. Real Madrid had almost no dangerous chances against Barcelona in the first half, but they also had 5 shots as did Barcelona.

The referee must be as neutral as possible in this El Clasico match and not be easily provoked by one or two players from either team, but as far as the first half went I thought he was fine despite missing a few moments that were in Real Madrid's favor. Aurélien Tchouaméni should have been credited with committing a foul that could have earned Barcelona a penalty when he strangled Ronald Araújo so he couldn't head a corner kick, but unfortunately missed.

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