La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2024/25

[lalabotax]

2 goals were enough to make Girona get 3 points in today's match and indeed they are now in second place in the standings but even so their situation remains unsafe because seeing from what is happening at this time Barcelona is still not playing and indirectly Girona is still not safe to stay in second place in the standings.

Yes, with these 2 goals, Girona got a very good win against Las Palmas. This is not a disadvantage for Girona, because Las Palmas is also a club that sometimes puts up quite a fight. Yes, here too, there must be extra efforts from Girona and they can handle it very well. This time, they managed to take over second place in La Liga, but will this last or will it just be temporary? Yes, this will depend on the results of Barcelona's match later.

The match between Real Sociedad and Real Madrid has already been played yesterday and Real Madrid got the away 3 points after winning 0:1 I in the game. Real Sociedad fought a good fight because they dominated the game in the second half and and made good goal scoring attempts but they were unable to score a goal as the defense of Real Madrid never allowed them to break their defense line.

Sure enough, Real Sociedad, often provides a very tough match against Real Madrid. and in this match too. They will also carry out more attacks on Real Madrid's defense. However, Real Madrid's performance yesterday was quite different, maybe they were tired or maybe they just saved more energy because they will also be competing in the UCL match in a few days. So the players are indeed much more careful. But the point is, Real Madrid won, by any score, it doesn't matter. they just win enough.

[QueenVera]

As we previously expected Madrid rotated in the match by saving some of their main players for the Champions League semi-finals, the victory over Real Madrid certainly made them currently more secure at the top of the table and now they only need one more win to be able to celebrate the La Liga title this season, Arda Guler who appeared from the first minute was able to surprise the match by becoming Madrid's hero with the only goal that He created it in that game, in recent weeks Arda Guller has been rumored to leave next season because he does not have many games for him to play.

Making him the first choice in that game is certainly the right choice for Ancelotti and as a result we can see how Arda Guler is able to answer the trust of the current coach, I think Arda Guler should get a lot of playing opportunities if indeed next season he stays at the Bernabeu, because in my opinion as a player who is quite talented of course he also has to have a lot of playing time to be able to hone his skills and also to cope with any pressure that exists.

It was very much interesting to watch Guler showcase his abilities and qualities in his debut game with Madrid against Mallorca. Ancelloti is a skillful man and he definitely knows when and how to use his players.  Madrid had a goal lead already and it was expected, they had to stay on top, gather up the 3points for the game too.

 Thankfully, the game between Girona and Atletico Madrid ended fairly for both side, but which ever way, it's an advantage for Madrid as the 3points from tonights game has kept them on top pending subsequent game results. Guler was a good impact during his last game for the team. Madrid even though more than much was expected from him but for a first game in a team, he did really good. This only resonates the sermons of how well built up Real Madrid squad is. The young players are definitely an extra advantage to the team's strength. Ancelloti has been able to bring up his boys into more fury and it's exactly what they need to stay strong.

 There's good coordination and the zeal is always up for them. It's very much good that the team has been able to stay strong up until now and they seem undaunted too. It'll be more beautiful to watch these present Madrid perform at their peak even up till next season, the players are gaining good level of experience and it's working out good on them. The tussle for the La Liga trophy is on even though Real Madrid are upper handed in the contest. Every game counts for both Real Madrid, Girona and Atletico Madrid too.

[Docnaster]

2 goals were enough to make Girona get 3 points in today's match and indeed they are now in second place in the standings but even so their situation remains unsafe because seeing from what is happening at this time Barcelona is still not playing and indirectly Girona is still not safe to stay in second place in the standings.

Yes, with these 2 goals, Girona got a very good win against Las Palmas. This is not a disadvantage for Girona, because Las Palmas is also a club that sometimes puts up quite a fight. Yes, here too, there must be extra efforts from Girona and they can handle it very well. This time, they managed to take over second place in La Liga, but will this last or will it just be temporary? Yes, this will depend on the results of Barcelona's match later.

Girona started the current Spanish La Liga campaign on a very good note just like German champions Bayer Leverkusen did but Girona failed to remain consistent like Leverkusen who hasn't lost a league game this season. Girona gave their fans and football lovers across the globe the hope to dream that they might just win the Spanish La Liga title but failed to keep that hope alive when they started to lose games which made them lose the top spot of the league table. At a point, I was even thinking they might not make it to finish the season in the top four because of their poor results after a very good start.
Their result today against Las Palmas have cleared any doubt as to wether they're going to finish the season in the top four and I'm very happy they did get a win in that game. With the result, the moved to the second position of the league table and are now seven points above Atletico Madrid

[TopT3ns]

Real Madrid won tonight.
In the game where Arda Güler was in the starting 11, he scored the game-winning goal and brought 3 points to Real Madrid.
I hope we see more of Arda Güler on the field, because he is a very valuable talent and I believe he will show himself whenever he gets the opportunity.

I am very happy that he scored a goal, Turkey's young star player was supposed to shine this year but did not have the opportunity to play. This kid is very talented but has little experience. Maybe he can be transferred next year, we have seen a lot of news about this before. It would be very bad for him if he stays at Real Madrid and doesn't get to play many games. He have to seize every opportunity

Luckily, Real Madrid won this match thanks to a kick from Arda Güler. Real Madrid managed to add points to the standings. If we look at Real Madrid's performance, it seems to have reduced and in this match Real Sociedad also seemed to be putting up quite a good fight because they used all their strength well and it was proven that they succeeded in putting pressure on Real Madrid to make it difficult to score many goals.

[Volgastallion]

A super win for Atletico Madrid, and also for Diego Pablo Simeone, he need that more than the team, after some very bad results they need this win to consolidate the spot on next champions league, a lose in this match can destroy all the next season proyects.

I was expecting more from Bilbao because we all remember how they destroy A Madrid in the cup games, but seems like Atletico finds the problem and fix the issue.

[Weawant]

The battle for runner up position between Girona and Barcelona is quite exciting. in fact, the distance between the points is also very small. For now, Girona is in second place, however, at this time, Barcelona has not yet played their 33rd game against Valencia. Indeed, for this match, it might be quite difficult for Barcelona because Valencia is actually quite troublesome. However, if he understands this situation, Xavi will not let his squad be defeated by Valencia and will be able to drop position in La Liga.

Barcelona is most likely going to win the second runner up this season and i don't want to believe otherwise because i believe Barcelona has been able to show in recent times that they are able to maintain the second position on the table without fear of loosing it as their performance towards the w d of the season got improved that if they were in this form before now, they would have been able to pose a threat to Madrid.

Valencia been troublesome isn't against teams like Barcelona, if you take a good look at their firm then you will find some weakness around their midfield and defense of which Barcelona is definitely good at taking advantage of it to their own good and getting to make sure they get the best out of such opportunities so i don't want to believe they are going to be much problem to Barcelona because even Barcelona is definitely going to make sure they don't mess up this last game so they will be able to get the very best off it and be able to maintain their second position on the table.

Girona is one team that i will not fail to commend this season because they are actually deserving of the position they currently occupy, they have been really brilliant in their performance starting off well enough that has giving them the platform that's cushioning any form of struggle they are struggling towards the end of the season at this point, they're possible going to finish second if Barcelona at any point slacks and give the chances at it.

[marcous]

But it looks like, if next season some of the senior players leave, thenmaybe Arda Guler will get his place in Real Madrid main squad, who knows. Because after all, players like Modric and Kroos also seem to have their contractsexpiring at the end of this season and yes, if for example Real Madrid does not extend the contracts of these two senior players, then it seems that this will give Arda Guler a chance to enter Real Madrid mainsquad nextseason.Butindeed, at least there is also an issue about Arda Guler perhaps notcomfortable at Real Madrid or something like thesituation that Arda Guler is not comfortable with. If that really happens,then the issue is that Arda Guler will leave, or maybe go on loan, but hopefully that's just an issue because Arda Guler really is a long-term Real Madrid player.

It looks like Kroos will stay for another season, and Modric will most likely leave. But so far there is no certainty regarding the future of these two players, because Kroos age is more likely to get a new short term contract. Regarding Guler, I think sooner or later the player from Turkey will get the opportunity to play regularly in Madrid main squad.

Ancelotti has not been able to give Guler more playing time because of the demands of the situation, where Los Blancos must pursue their target of winning La Liga and the Champions League and as much as possible avoid the risk of defeat. Ancelotti relies more on players who have experience to overcome this challenge, but if one of the veteran players leaves, Guler will have more opportunities to get playing minutes.

Guler is projected to be a long term recruit, where the former Fenerbahce player is considered to have great potential to become an important player in the future. In this case, it is possible that Madrid will loan him to another club, so that Guler can develop better in the future. Competition in Madrid midfield is quite tight, Guler needs to work hard to break into the main squad.

[Cryptoprincess101]

2 goals were enough to make Girona get 3 points in today's match and indeed they are now in second place in the standings but even so their situation remains unsafe because seeing from what is happening at this time Barcelona is still not playing and indirectly Girona is still not safe to stay in second place in the standings.

Yes, with these 2 goals, Girona got a very good win against Las Palmas. This is not a disadvantage for Girona, because Las Palmas is also a club that sometimes puts up quite a fight. Yes, here too, there must be extra efforts from Girona and they can handle it very well. This time, they managed to take over second place in La Liga, but will this last or will it just be temporary? Yes, this will depend on the results of Barcelona's match later.

Girona started the current Spanish La Liga campaign on a very good note just like German champions Bayer Leverkusen did but Girona failed to remain consistent like Leverkusen who hasn't lost a league game this season. Girona gave their fans and football lovers across the globe the hope to dream that they might just win the Spanish La Liga title but failed to keep that hope alive when they started to lose games which made them lose the top spot of the league table. At a point, I was even thinking they might not make it to finish the season in the top four because of their poor results after a very good start.
Their result today against Las Palmas have cleared any doubt as to wether they're going to finish the season in the top four and I'm very happy they did get a win in that game. With the result, the moved to the second position of the league table and are now seven points above Atletico Madrid

Yeah Girona and Bayern Leverkusen were the two clubs I was looking out to win their respective leagues because almost same thing is happening in both leagues like those who dominates keep on dominating that is why I am so happy to see that Leverkusen won the bundesliga and they have made the league open for competition now unlike before when only Bayern Munich dominates the league more than any other team

Girona really showed resilience and consistency but at some point they lost form and I know for sure that as a team that is trying to build up it will be difficult for them to just come out strong and beat all the big teams in the LA Liga and win the trophy but I still see this Girona team becoming more stronger in the upcoming seasons. Girona winning Las Palmas earlier today have made them move to second in the table then Barcelona's match tomorrow will determine whether Girona will still enjoy the second position or they fall back to the third position because if Barcelona wins, Girona drops to third position.

[snipie]

A super win for Atletico Madrid, and also for Diego Pablo Simeone, he need that more than the team, after some very bad results they need this win to consolidate the spot on next champions league, a lose in this match can destroy all the next season proyects.

I was expecting more from Bilbao because we all remember how they destroy A Madrid in the cup games, but seems like Atletico finds the problem and fix the issue.

Diego Simeone is a good coach although the boring style he adopts in his games and Atletico Madrid is a top team, so it wasn't very unexpected to see them winning Athletic Bilbao for many people.
That victory increased the gap between these two teams by 6 points so two out of five to six rounds left will be necessary for Real Madrid to be the winner followed by the other three teams.

[samuraijin]

A super win for Atletico Madrid, and also for Diego Pablo Simeone, he need that more than the team, after some very bad results they need this win to consolidate the spot on next champions league, a lose in this match can destroy all the next season proyects.

I was expecting more from Bilbao because we all remember how they destroy A Madrid in the cup games, but seems like Atletico finds the problem and fix the issue.

Diego Simeone is a good coach although the boring style he adopts in his games and Atletico Madrid is a top team, so it wasn't very unexpected to see them winning Athletic Bilbao for many people.
That victory increased the gap between these two teams by 6 points so two out of five to six rounds left will be necessary for Real Madrid to be the winner followed by the other three teams.

In my opinion, he is the most arrogant coach I have ever seen, apart from Jose Morinho, almost 11/12 of them have very big ambitions even though they often underestimate their opponents, but often fail in important matches, for example final matches or when they meet teams from their city, often  losing control and even losing concentration in giving direction to his team, which makes Atletico Madrid always fail to win and often lose important trophies for Atletico Madrid, this is what Atletico Madrid management must continue to do to find a replacement for Diego Simone who is no longer worthy  Even though today gave Atletico Madrid a victory, they never gave Atletico Madrid a prestigious trophy. In my opinion, many people really regret this.

[imamusma]

A super win for Atletico Madrid, and also for Diego Pablo Simeone, he need that more than the team, after some very bad results they need this win to consolidate the spot on next champions league, a lose in this match can destroy all the next season proyects.

I was expecting more from Bilbao because we all remember how they destroy A Madrid in the cup games, but seems like Atletico finds the problem and fix the issue.

Diego Simeone is a good coach although the boring style he adopts in his games and Atletico Madrid is a top team, so it wasn't very unexpected to see them winning Athletic Bilbao for many people.
That victory increased the gap between these two teams by 6 points so two out of five to six rounds left will be necessary for Real Madrid to be the winner followed by the other three teams.

Atletico Madrid managed to confirm its position in the top four of the standings after defeating its direct competitor, namely Atletic Bilbao. Three shots on target resulted in 3 goals, and the match closed with a score of 3-1, Diego Simeone managed to get an additional three points which makes them a little comfortable in fourth place at the moment. Atletic Bilbao failed to maintain their good performance towards the end of the season, it can be seen that in the last five matches they were only able to achieve one win. However, compared to last season, Atletic Bilbao performance this season is better, and playing in the Europa League next season is also a matter of pride for them.

In my opinion, the competition for tickets to the Champions League between Atletico Madrid and Atletic Bilbao is over, and we can guess that Diego Simeone squad has a big chance of finishing in fourth place when the season ends. Now that Atletico Madrid can fully focus on La Liga matches after being eliminated in the Champions League, the manager contract extension could be a motivation to sweep all the remaining matches this season. The top four positions in the standings when the season ends will be led by Real Madrid, followed by Barcelona, Girona and Atletico Madrid. However, a change in position could happen again between Girona and Barcelona, because the two will face each other in Week 34.

[entertheabyss]

Real Madrid won tonight.
In the game where Arda Güler was in the starting 11, he scored the game-winning goal and brought 3 points to Real Madrid.
I hope we see more of Arda Güler on the field, because he is a very valuable talent and I believe he will show himself whenever he gets the opportunity.

Real Madrid is the best team currently. There's always an opportunity for Carlo Ancelotti to implement his master strategy in matches, 100% value and doing the ultimate jobs. Real Madrid young player, Arda Güler is uprising and shining at the same time. He made the difference in their previous game which Los Blancos won 1 nil. Arda Güler touches on the ball becomes touches magical, he has good footings on the ball and he should he figure for good results upfront.

[Rampagoe004]

Girona started the current Spanish La Liga campaign on a very good note just like German champions Bayer Leverkusen did but Girona failed to remain consistent like Leverkusen who hasn't lost a league game this season. Girona gave their fans and football lovers across the globe the hope to dream that they might just win the Spanish La Liga title but failed to keep that hope alive when they started to lose games which made them lose the top spot of the league table. At a point, I was even thinking they might not make it to finish the season in the top four because of their poor results after a very good start.
Their result today against Las Palmas have cleared any doubt as to wether they're going to finish the season in the top four and I'm very happy they did get a win in that game. With the result, the moved to the second position of the league table and are now seven points above Atletico Madrid

Congratulations to Girona for winning the match against La Palmas. But unfortunately they will face Barcelona next week. Girona today is not Girona at the start of the season. At that time, as I remember, Girona beat Barcelona. But right now I'm not sure about their chances of winning the game. They will return to third place. And I think they don't care about the points difference between Atletico Madrid. The top four teams will qualify for the Champions League and they are 13 points ahead of Athletic Club in fifth place. So with 5 matches remaining I think Girona has guaranteed a place in the Champions League.

[BitcoinHunt3r]

A super win for Atletico Madrid, and also for Diego Pablo Simeone, he need that more than the team, after some very bad results they need this win to consolidate the spot on next champions league, a lose in this match can destroy all the next season proyects.

I was expecting more from Bilbao because we all remember how they destroy A Madrid in the cup games, but seems like Atletico finds the problem and fix the issue.

Yeah Atletico Madrid managed to get 3 points while moving away from Athletic club to secure the champions league zone next season, we know Athletic club continues to try to get a place in the top 4 but after this defeat they are 5 points behind Atletico Madrid meaning their chances are increasingly difficult. By the way, I didn't watch Real Madrid's match yesterday and I only checked the results today and Arda Guler got his first goal?

By the way, did you pay attention to the top score list? there is something different about Laliga this season because some of the players on the top scorer list are not very familiar Artem Dovbyk, from Girona still leads with 19 goals Alexander Sørloth and Jude Bellingham are in 2nd place with 17 goal, I can see Artem Dovbyk having a chance to win the golden boot because he doesn't have a busy schedule so he can focus more on La Liga.

[TelolettOm]

However, Barcelona then succeeded in convincing Xavi to stay and coach the club. This is truly extraordinary.

Few months ago Xavi Hernandez announced to the media that he's going to leave Barcelona at the end of the current season and even when he was queried of his decision to leave the club, he simply said that the visions of the club's management is different from what he has so it'll be difficult to continue working with the club. Few weeks later after his first statement he was asked if there was anything that might make him change his mind and remain at Barcelona, he responded by saying that nothing will make him remain at the club even if Barcelona goes on to win the UEFA Champions League title.

I don't know what the real agreement was that made Xavi finally change his decision to stay at Barcelona. But this is also an important thing for Barcelona. Xavi is not a perfect football manager for Barcelona, but currently, Xavi is really doing well. Perhaps many people consider his failure to bring Barcelona to trophies in several leagues. However, still, Xavi has done quite well, it just remains to be given the opportunity to really manage the club better and more freely for the progress of Barcelona itself.

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It's a truly wise U-turn change from Xavi and Barcelona.

I guess these U-turn decisions from Barcelona and Xavi mainly come from Barcelona performances in Champions League. Barcelona see light of hope from Xavi that he can help the club to perform well in Champions League that is very important financial resource for the club in future. They finally decided to choose a safe option, continuing with Xavi rather than starting with a new coach with risk of losing control in a next season.

Give Xavi more chances and freedom to select the players. next season, they will be much better again. Although still, no one will manage a club that perfectly. We know, Xavi loves Barcelona, probably more than probable new coaches that will be there. Xavi has many nostalgia moments with Barcelona that push him also to stay and manage Barcelona again.  

A super win for Atletico Madrid, and also for Diego Pablo Simeone, he need that more than the team, after some very bad results they need this win to consolidate the spot on next champions league, a lose in this match can destroy all the next season proyects.

I was expecting more from Bilbao because we all remember how they destroy A Madrid in the cup games, but seems like Atletico finds the problem and fix the issue.

Congratulations to Atletico Madrid, winning the match against Bilbao with good goal scores. Finally, Atletico Madrid can really go on track again and strengthens the position in the fourth standing.

However, there was one thing that received attention in this match, namely racism towards one of the Bilbao players, Nico Williams. Whatever it is, racism is not justified. and big respect for him, because he was able to prove that he could contribute very well, by providing the only goal for Bilbao.

Source: Atletico Madrid vs Athletic Club

[Sexylizzy2813]

A super win for Atletico Madrid, and also for Diego Pablo Simeone, he need that more than the team, after some very bad results they need this win to consolidate the spot on next champions league, a lose in this match can destroy all the next season proyects.

I was expecting more from Bilbao because we all remember how they destroy A Madrid in the cup games, but seems like Atletico finds the problem and fix the issue.

Atletico Madrid are full of surprises with the way they play you sometimes think they can't go forward in any competition, the visitors was suppose to get at least a draw and I also see the Ath Bilbao side as the favorite in that encounter because to me the Ath Bilba have been doing better and losing this game is a bit shocking to me. We can't really compare the cup and the league title, with Ath Bilbao winning doesn't make them upper hands against ATM,

[asriloni]

A super win for Atletico Madrid, and also for Diego Pablo Simeone, he need that more than the team, after some very bad results they need this win to consolidate the spot on next champions league, a lose in this match can destroy all the next season proyects.

I was expecting more from Bilbao because we all remember how they destroy A Madrid in the cup games, but seems like Atletico finds the problem and fix the issue.

Diego Simeone is a good coach although the boring style he adopts in his games and Atletico Madrid is a top team, so it wasn't very unexpected to see them winning Athletic Bilbao for many people.
That victory increased the gap between these two teams by 6 points so two out of five to six rounds left will be necessary for Real Madrid to be the winner followed by the other three teams.

I'm still wondering why ATM has defended Simeone as head coach for so many years instead of hiring a new coach to run the club and many people are also raise the same question like. simeone is still coaching the club even till messi and ronaldo are playing on the different league. Simeone spent so many years on ATM and got nothing special in return, as did Atletico Madrid and he likes wenger on arsenal. His is a monotonous coach with no strategy and a tendency to rely on his old philosophy which is complicating the playstyle of atletico madrid at this time.

Although he was assisting Atletico Madrid in being far away, I believe that qualifying for the UCL is the most significant achievement for Atletico Madrid this season considering the fact that if atletico madrid is not also performing quite well. UCL spot is the only target owned by ATM.  

Real Madrid is getting closer to the trophy, thanks to Arda Guler who has helped many bettors win their bets and even though is still youth but he may become a winning button for real madrid in the future. . This young star has been performing admirably in the match against Sociedad. Madrid only needs two matches.
It appears that treble winners are still possible for Real Madrid, given that it still has two competitions remaining in addition to La Liga.

[Cryptoprincess101]

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All that was important in that game was just a goal to secure three points. It was very interesting to see Arda Güler scoring the only goal for Real Madrid to top more points.  I think the player made good of opportunity given to to him in the game. Real Madrid could not score more goals in the match against Real Sociedad because maybe they are reserving some energy for the Champions League coming games . The number of points Real Madrid have achieved so far for the season,  they don't need stress themselves much in laliga games, ut us very clear that the laliga title this season is for Real Madrid.

I like how Arda Gular proved his quality when Ancelotti gave him the opportunity to play from the first half. Arda Gular has scored 2 goals in 6 appearances in La Liga this season, he is a talent that I expect to shine in the seasons to come. He is ambitious and brave, he seems happy to continue contributing to the team even though he currently has to sit on the bench for most of the time.

If not that Real Madrid is a team of competitive players, would have said that what Arda Gular displayed in Real Sociedad against Real Madrid match he deserves to be giving more playing time and he will prove his worth. There are some matches that all the regular big boys don't deliver and surprisingly a player that doesn't even feature much in matches will be the one to save his team and that was what Arda Gular did that made Real Madrid to win if not it was not really easy for Real Madrid in that match.

So far, Real Madrid continues to extend its unbeaten record to 18 matches in all competitions. Then from that, Real Madrid has also confirmed that they are the title winners this season with a gap of 13 and 14 points from Girona and Barcelona. Of course Barcelona can still close the points gap to 11 points if they win against Valencia, but that will in no way be a threat to Real Madrid's title which is in sight.

With the gap between Real Madrid and the remaining teams in the table, they are near to being crowned champions of la Liga and they really did a good work in staying consistent even though they were engaged in too many competitions but it didn't distract them from being able to maintain a good form in the league.

[Bitcoin_people]

Atlético Madrid vs Atlético Club has been a great game and both teams are attacking the eye to win but Atlético Madrid has succeeded. Atletico Madrid won this match with a margin of 3-1, they managed to occupy the fourth position in the points table by winning this match. However, both the teams have managed to occupy a good position in the La Liga points table this season, but their game may change in the next season.
But this season we can confidently say that Real Madrid is the only champion of La Liga champions even though Barcelona and Girona are currently not in the form to go top. But the second and third positions in the points table are contested by two teams, Girona and Barcelona. But this season we can see that Barcelona's performance is very bad so we can confirm that there is no chance for Barcelona to go to a good position this season. However, if Girona can maintain their performance and improvement in play, they will have a chance to hold on to second place.

[Sebas.tian]

A super win for Atletico Madrid, and also for Diego Pablo Simeone, he need that more than the team, after some very bad results they need this win to consolidate the spot on next champions league, a lose in this match can destroy all the next season proyects.

Congratulations to Atletico Madrid for using home advantage to embraced three points from Athletics club,  The first half made many people to conclude how the match is going to end up, Because the first half ended up in 1-1 draw and the two teams still have more strength to play each other in the second half. But Atletico Madrid prove those that said the match is going to end up for the favour of Athletics club wrong by adding another two goals in the second half to defeated athletics club 3-1 to achieved the victory and to remain in fourth position in the la Liga league table. Now that Real Madrid is still leading the table with the highest points, which Girona and Barcelona will not come close till the end of this tournament, Because Real Madrid Still remain strong to continue the winning not to reduce points.