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Author Topic: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia.  (Read 734778 times)
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May 16, 2014, 06:21:32 PM
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Bad move, I'd say. Akhmetov is the richest man in Ukraine, worth some $16 billion. He can easily import mercenaries from all across the globe and destroy the Donetsk People's Army.

Hmm... that aspect should be considered as well.

Meanwhile, Akhmetov is reportedly going ballistic over the Donetsk People's Republic's move to nationalize the heavy industries. I am OK with the proposal, as the profits will go to workers instead of the corrupt oligarch.

http://www.0629.com.ua/article/534994

Nationalization?  Oh my god! What is this , back to '45 ?


No, to 1917.

Depends from country to country I guess Smiley.


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May 16, 2014, 06:36:10 PM
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Actually it's OK to have 100% state-owned heavy industry sector while keeping private ownership for light industry, agriculture, house holding, etc. This system worked well until it was abolished by Stalin's decree in 1928.
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May 16, 2014, 07:15:52 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ9zWuL3iPk

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May 16, 2014, 07:18:28 PM
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Actually it's OK to have 100% state-owned heavy industry sector while keeping private ownership for light industry, agriculture, house holding, etc. This system worked well until it was abolished by Stalin's decree in 1928.

You haven't learned much from history, have you? Socialsm will slowly bring in corruption, misallocation of resources and demise of productivity. It has always been like that, no exception - this is human nature.



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May 16, 2014, 07:39:31 PM
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Ukrainian forces lost 21 soldier in Donbass since the begining of their operation in the region:
http://ria.ru/world/20140516/1008081908.html

Donetsk Republican Army took control of the military base #3037 in Donetsk:
http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2014/05/16/n_6158417.shtml
The personnel in the base surrendered peacefully after negotiations.

A prime minister of Donetsk Republic has been appointed. His name is Aleksandr Borodaj:
http://www.tvc.ru/news/show/id/39815

Lugansk seems to be less defended:
One of the leaders of the Army of South-East got apprehended by Ukrainian MIA and transported to Kiev for interrogations:
http://lenta.ru/news/2014/05/16/detain/



Interview in Konstantinovka with separatist army leader:
http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/2014/05/14_a_6033705.shtml
And interesting tidbit. Interviewer asks if they fought with the regular army or something else. The commander replies, that it does not seem to be a regular army. They towed away the APC, removed all bodies and evidence from the TV tower before abandoning it, and no one heard any Russian or Ukrainian speech coming from the other side.
He also wishes Russia would help them with its presence, with "green men". He thinks there would be no shooting if Russia asserted its presence there.

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May 16, 2014, 08:28:50 PM
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You haven't learned much from history, have you? Socialsm will slowly bring in corruption, misallocation of resources and demise of productivity.
Please read my message again. Maybe I'm wrong but I haven't seen any mentions of socialism there. It seems that you don't understand a difference between state capitalism and socialism. But we can talk about socialism, if you wish so. Roll Eyes

Liberalism will slowly bring in corruption, misallocation of resources and demise of productivity.
Fixed that for you. Smiley Liberalism concept won't work ever, because a liberal society is unsustainable. It quickly degenerates into an oligarchy during the process of wealth distribution, see USA or any european democracy for proper examples. It has always been like that, no exception - this is human nature. Smiley

It has always been like that, no exception - this is human nature.
Sorry, but this statement is baseless.

Liberalism is both practically and theoretically unsustainable due to transitional nature of such system. Unlike liberalism, a pure socialism is theoretically sustainable, but requires a lot of very hard work on planning. In order to be sustainable, a pure socialist economy should be balanced according to this equation:

PQ = Y + TP - S - T

P is the general retail price level;
Q is the quantity of consumer goods and services;
Y is total household income;
TP is transfer payments;
S is household saving;
T is direct household taxes.

Unfortunately, it's very hard to find an exact solution for non-linear system of equations, which represents an optimal plan. There are too many variables so it would take a lot of time, something like 1 billion years, to find an ideal daily plan for USSR-sized economy. Soviet republics tried to balance such economy, but they've used approximation methods to estimate optimal solution. For a while it worked, but accumulation of deviations happened over time due to high inaccuracy. As the result of disbalance, an economy have fallen into hyperinflation/crisis of overproduction/supply shortage/another critical shit.

It was impossible in the 20th century, but it will be possible in the future because computers performance is growing very rapidly. Performance still isn't enough for solving systems of nonlinear equations with the necessary speed and accuracy... However, quantum computers would be able to accelerate the solution of such problems exponentially, thus making possible to find a plan that would be close to ideal, for the required time.

Why humanity needs this? Answer is simple, due to efficiency purposes. Ideal market economy, which doesn't exist because of the unsustainability of liberalism, theoretically capable of provide efficiency at the level of 0.2-0.3 from the ideal plan. Try to imagine the benefits of economy, working in accordance with the precise plan. We even don't need to find an exactly ideal plan, 10-20% inaccuracy would be more than enough for the dramatical optimization of resources utilization. That's why we should work harder in research of quantum systems. Potential benefits of these systems is huge and would solve a lot of problems.

While pure socialist economy isn't yet possible due to technical limitations of modern computing systems, a state capitalism is the best option. This approach has repeatedly proven to be effective in practice, it sometimes called as "capitalism with human face".
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May 16, 2014, 09:07:01 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTBfjmdJA9E

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May 16, 2014, 10:46:24 PM
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news in english

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTzXtXLgdBU

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May 17, 2014, 12:02:32 AM
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http://www.vesti.ru/only_video.html?vid=599150

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May 17, 2014, 04:11:13 AM
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Situation further slipping out of the control of Turchynov and Yatsenyuk.

Donetsk volunteer guards take control of regional headquarters of National Guards

http://en.itar-tass.com/world/731990


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVPPw5AtsrI

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmCwNylYrdQ

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FioN4SAQc04

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The infamous anti-Russophone and anti-Russian Iryna Farion, an MP in the Rada for Svoboda, bluntly and without any hesitation tells the media that the coup-installed Yatsenyuk regime in Kiev should take the opportunity to kill all the Ukrainians protesting against the new regime:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNQ2CVz2Cyk

In Dnipropetrovsk, 1,500 Ukrainian troops of the Unit 1302 refused to be deployed in Donetsk.

http://novorossia.su/node/1510
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4:45

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mvysWGw2EY

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Ukrainian army shelling Slavjansk from near water tower:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mvysWGw2EY#t=290

In Dnipropetrovsk, 1,500 Ukrainian troops of the Unit 1302 refused to be deployed in Donetsk.

http://novorossia.su/node/1510

It's not just any troops, but conscripts, that Kiev said will not be used in their punitive operations, but were ordered to march against civilians of Donetsk region anyway. The conscripts are currently protesting near block post near the village Orlovshina. There are fears that Kolomojskij controlled National Guard bandits will be directed to eliminate the protesting conscripts.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgEU1t8OEP0

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May 17, 2014, 11:06:32 AM
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So the Kiev coup government decided to go this route:

Kiev proclaims post-referendum Donetsk, Lugansk regions ‘terrorist organizations’
http://rt.com/news/159508-kiev-terrorist-organizations-donetsk/

All these people are terrorists:


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“The two so-called 'people’s republics' in Donetsk and Lugansk regions are terrorist organizations, which have a clear hierarchy, financing, and channels of weapons supplies,” Ukraine’s deputy prosecutor general, Nikolay Golomsha, said.

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Wow, four and half million terrorists? Junta guys must be on some heavy drugs.



Ukrainian military says that they have Slavjansk surrounded and under complete control:
http://www.interfax.ru/world/376635

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Breaking news:

International Zionist chieftain Ihor Kolomoisky is offering $ 1 million to murder pro-federalization politician Oleg Tsarev. Wow.... the world would be a better place.... if all the people with opposing political views are just murdered.

Ukraine: Ihor Kolomoisky offers $ 1 million to murder Oleg Tsarev

http://linkis.com/feedly.com/k/hSNwG

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Breaking news:

International Zionist chieftain Ihor Kolomoisky is offering $ 1 million to murder pro-federalization politician Oleg Tsarev. Wow.... the world would be a better place.... if all the people with opposing political views are just murdered.

Ukraine: Ihor Kolomoisky offers $ 1 million to murder Oleg Tsarev

http://linkis.com/feedly.com/k/hSNwG



He could pay via bitcoin at least Smiley.


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New Age of DEFI
A Non-Code Platform for
Decentralized Trading Instruments

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