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May 06, 2014, 11:56:34 AM
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Grin Kazakhstan has banned the use of the orange-black ribbon on May 9. And not for nothing - this will be a key element in Moscow's provocation strategy.
What used to be a symbol of victory over fascism in 1945 has now been turned into a symbol of Kremlin fascism. It will never be the same. It is the new swastika


http://nedelya-ua.com/news/kazahstan-zapretil-nosit-georgievskie-lenty-na-den-pobedy

Reading through the comments it shows just how any decision is  splitting people apart . Banning something will just make that thing more interesting for people opposing the government that took that decision.

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Лoжь, нe пoдкpeплённaя фaктaми. B Кaзaxcтaнe Гeopгиeвcкaя лeнтoчкa ocтaётcя cимвoлoм пoбeды нaд фaшизмoм. Зaтo ecть мнeниe, чтo зaпaднaя Укpaинa - oплoт coвpeмeннoгo фaшизмa. Tвapи нeблaгoдapныe..

"Lie, not supported by facts," says one commentator.
Looks like that post came without any official backing from Kazakhstan. I am considering it a provocation from Ukrainian neo-nazis until further info is supplied.

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May 06, 2014, 12:10:15 PM
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Over 30 killed in raid on Slavyansk: Kiev

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/05/06/361513/over-30-killed-in-raid-on-slavyansk/

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Death toll from a military assault on Ukraine’s eastern flashpoint city of Slavyansk has passed 30, authorities in Kiev say. Ukraine interim Interior Minister Arsen Avakov said Tuesday that more than 30 pro-Russia protesters were killed and dozens of others injured during the military operation near Slavyansk a day earlier. Avakov added that four Ukrainian troops were killed and another 20 were injured.
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May 06, 2014, 12:14:27 PM
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#Photo of foreign fighters in #Sloviansk #Ukraine (likely Chechens)


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May 06, 2014, 12:24:25 PM
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NATO ‏@NATO

[VIDEO] #IEDs: the hidden killer and most important threat in conflict zones http://youtu.be/dj6kFsIQvoA  #NATO

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May 06, 2014, 12:32:09 PM
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Injured member of the Donetsk People's Army in Slaviansk:

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May 06, 2014, 12:35:06 PM
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"Russian march" in Minsk on May 9 banned, say in the Ministry of Internal Affairs
Read full article: http://www.interfax.by/news/belarus/1155543


It is clear that the Belarusians are fascists  Grin

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May 06, 2014, 12:37:12 PM
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Ukrainian Army will be strengthened by Maidan forces:
http://lenta.ru/news/2014/05/06/army/

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May 06, 2014, 12:44:48 PM
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Military college on edge of Donetsk surrounded by the Donetsk People's Army:

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May 06, 2014, 01:05:05 PM
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Grin Kazakhstan has banned the use of the orange-black ribbon on May 9. And not for nothing - this will be a key element in Moscow's provocation strategy.
What used to be a symbol of victory over fascism in 1945 has now been turned into a symbol of Kremlin fascism. It will never be the same. It is the new swastika


http://nedelya-ua.com/news/kazahstan-zapretil-nosit-georgievskie-lenty-na-den-pobedy

Reading through the comments it shows just how any decision is  splitting people apart . Banning something will just make that thing more interesting for people opposing the government that took that decision.

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Лoжь, нe пoдкpeплённaя фaктaми. B Кaзaxcтaнe Гeopгиeвcкaя лeнтoчкa ocтaётcя cимвoлoм пoбeды нaд фaшизмoм. Зaтo ecть мнeниe, чтo зaпaднaя Укpaинa - oплoт coвpeмeннoгo фaшизмa. Tвapи нeблaгoдapныe..

"Lie, not supported by facts," says one commentator.
Looks like that post came without any official backing from Kazakhstan. I am considering it a provocation from Ukrainian neo-nazis until further info is supplied.
Well, nothing surprising in Pagan's posts. His work is spreading bullshit for approx $10 per day.
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May 06, 2014, 01:17:05 PM
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In Lugansk, the self-defense forces + Cossacks take control of border crossing between Ukraine and Russia. Another video here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usEioTKJJUk

(Note the flags of the Great Don Army)



Slavyansk self defence: up to 20 tanks, Grad units and BMPs gathered in Barvekovo, West of Slavyansk
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May 06, 2014, 01:19:56 PM
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Putin honors journalists as Ukraine propaganda war heats up

(Reuters) - Four weeks after Russia annexed Crimea to great fanfare, President Vladimir Putin quietly signed a decree honoring more than 300 journalists for their "objective coverage" of the region's seizure from Ukraine.

The awards made under decree 279 to television, radio and newspapers loyal to Putin underline the importance of media in stirring patriotic sentiment over Ukraine. However, the decree's initial secrecy suggests Putin wishes to distance himself from the powerful Kremlin policy tool of the media onslaught.

In the official gazette, there was a gap between decrees 278 and 280. Decree 279 remained unexplained until a Russian newspaper reported its contents on Monday, a fortnight after the event, offering a glimpse into how sensitive the use of propaganda has become in the East-West standoff over Ukraine.

A Kremlin source, confirming that Putin signed the decree making the awards on April 22, said only: "It was for internal use, not for public use."

To an outside observer, the propaganda war seems to have reached such a scale that it is all but impossible for Russians or Ukrainians to discover what is really going on from their national media.

Many events are seen through a mist of disinformation or just confusion, a situation that suits Putin in what his critics believe is his attempt to undermine the Ukrainian authorities by portraying them as unable to control the country.

The veracity of events is increasingly hard to check. When Russian media reported heavy fighting in the town of Kramatorsk this weekend, Reuters journalists on the scene shortly afterwards found a sleepy town with no evidence of clashes.

Russian media deny they are part of a propaganda campaign and accuse Western journalists of bias, a charge that has found fertile ground in eastern Ukraine where some reporters have already been taken hostage or beaten.

The Facebook page of Pavel Gubarev, a detained pro-Russian protest leader, has described journalists as "catalysts of intolerance, hatred and violence".

"After lies follows pain," warned the page.

MIS-MATCHED

As on other fronts, the media fight between Moscow and Kiev is mis-matched.

Russia's well-organized and well-financed state media have portrayed events in a style reminiscent of the Soviet era, peppering their reports with the message that Ukrainians, as during World War Two, may be cooperating with fascists.

By contrast, Ukraine's fragmented media lack the single mindedness to answer the charges, remaining poorly financed and usually controlled by business tycoons who have been reluctant to offend business partners in Russia.

Now largely switched off in the separatist-held regions in its east, Ukrainian television has so far failed to make the case for Kiev's new pro-Western leaders that pro-Russian rebels are in the pay of the Kremlin.

That has been left to the Internet, where a war of words is raging as Ukraine prepares for three events: a May 25 presidential election, a May 11 referendum on independence in the eastern Donetsk and Luhansk regions, and Friday's anniversary of victory over Nazi Germany in World War Two.

All are possible flashpoints in a crisis where Russia could use clashes to justify an invasion of eastern Ukraine - which Putin has reserved the right to stage if he believes compatriots and Russian speakers need his protection.

Several Russian newspapers used the same photo on Monday on their front page. This showed a man with flames licking up his sleeve as he throws a Molotov Cocktail into the burning trade union building in the Ukrainian city of Odessa, where dozens of pro-Russian separatists died after street fighting.

Blaming Friday's trouble on far-right Ukrainian groups, the popular Komsomolskaya Pravda ran a banner headline declaring: "Dirty scumbags!"

Some Russian media likened the blaze to a World War Two Nazi massacre when all the residents of a Belarussian village were burnt alive.

Ukraine's acting president, Oleksander Turchinov, tried to win back the initiative at the weekend, using his strongest language yet to condemn Russia for "waging war against our country", but lacking support his words failed to catch on.

Other allegations by officials that only drunks and drug addicts follow the pro-Russians have also fallen flat, leaving it to Ukraine's bloggers to vent the widespread frustration with not only the pro-Russians but with their new leaders as well.

"At the time of war, everyone lies," said a post on the "Odessa on fire" website, trying to defuse bitter debate over who was responsible for the more than 40 deaths on Friday. Such comment shows the depth of emotion as a struggle for influence in Ukraine threatens to tip the country into civil war.

But while much of the Ukrainian blogosphere undermines their leaders, Russian media coverage is helping to boost support for Putin, whose ratings last week hit 82 percent - the highest since 2010.

"Putin played a brilliant hand," said one post on a site called "For Putin - For a Great Russia", celebrating his moves to protect the economy from Western sanctions over Ukraine.

"Putin has fooled the European Union and America and wasn't it great? Before the eyes of the whole world, he played them like a violin."

(Additional reporting by Alexei Anishchuk; editing by David Stamp)

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/06/us-ukraine-crisis-media-idUSBREA4505H20140506

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May 06, 2014, 01:29:38 PM
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That for ruSSian is victory, for Ukrainians and Belarusians - loss of territorial integrity.

http://zautra.by/art.php?sn_nid=14855#pool

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May 06, 2014, 01:37:40 PM
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Member of Crimean Tatar Mejlis Beaten in Simferopol http://pressimus.com/Interpreter_Mag/press/2631

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May 06, 2014, 01:40:28 PM
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Avakov Claims Chechens are Fighting on Separatist Side http://pressimus.com/Interpreter_Mag/press/2630

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May 06, 2014, 02:17:16 PM
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In Lugansk and anit-aircraft unit is destroyed, opening the skies.
In Donetsk, the military academy has been taken by the resistance.
https://twitter.com/kp_steshin

Helicopter pilots, who died, when one of the choppers was downed.
https://twitter.com/sashakots/status/463630603863482368/photo/1

Food supplies in Slavjansk are running low, though not yet critical. Food and medicaments are getting smuggled by fields and byways.

Steshin bitterly remarks that humanitarian organisation only crop up when Russophobia is not asserted enough. Blockade of Slavjansk and absence of humanitarian organization outcry is a sign of it. The town will starve to death and get bombed being razed to the ground and now one will say a word.

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May 06, 2014, 02:18:18 PM
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From Twitter:

Igor & Sasha, Makievka/Donetsk miner brothers, one pro-Russia, one pro-Europe: "We're still best friends"

Makievka miner Sasha: "Colleagues know I'm pro-Europe. Gives me no problems. Miners take it easy"

Makievka miner Sasha: "20% of my collegues are pro-Europe, most are pro-Russia"
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May 06, 2014, 02:46:30 PM
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Britain: Russia Wants to Disrupt Ukraine Vote


 British Foreign Secretary William Hague is suggesting that unrest in eastern Ukraine is being fomented by Russia to disrupt the May 25 presidential elections and is urging a gathering of European foreign ministers to rally in support of the vote.

Hague spoke at a foreign ministers' meeting of the 47-nation Council of Europe in Vienna Tuesday. Also present were the Ukrainian and Russian foreign ministers.

He told reporters that "Russia is clearly intent on preventing or disrupting those elections," while asserting that foreign ministers at the meeting will express "strong support" for holding the vote without outside interference.

He also said nations supporting Ukraine remain ready to find a diplomatic solution to reduce tensions generated by the pro-Russian insurgency in eastern Ukraine but "that would require stronger Russian commitment."

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/britain-russia-disrupt-ukraine-vote-23601573

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May 06, 2014, 02:55:29 PM
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The Cossacks Are Coming

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-06/russian-cossacks-are-coming

Following the Ukraine government's most recent retaliatory escalation, which saw the death of some 50 people in Odessa on Friday, everyone has been waiting to see how the Kremlin would respond. For now while Putin appears to be merely biding his time until the various referendum votes take place in east Ukraine, quite confident they will have the same outcome as the Crimean vote to join Russia, thus giving him a legitimate basis to annex further Ukraine regions, some "independent" military units, according to local press, appear to be making their way into Ukraine: Cossacks, that roving group of militants (and sometimes mercenaries) who have been so instrumental in shaping the history of both Ukraine and Russia.



Several clips distributed earlier on social networks purport to show Russian Cossacks who have entered eastern Ukraine, specifically the town of Anthracite.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xi20JwfkB1c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=A2Ux-I_EDlw

While one can't determine the validity of these reports (at least not yet), it is certain that both the Ukraine government and NATO will latch on to reports that Russian mercenaries are operating and supporting the eastern militias. However, what this will achieve aside from even more futile diplomatic bluster, is unclear.

And for those who are not familiar with the Cossack culture, here is a reminder from SkyNews:

Russian Cossack leaders have plans to cross into Ukraine to "rescue" Russian-speaking communities in the east of the country, after providing militias which helped Vladimir Putin's Crimean land grab.

Atamans, or headmen, of two Cossack communities, said they had traditional claims on the lands on both sides of the border, adding: "One day we will take them back."

But they warned they would expect rewards for acting as the Russian president's muscle.

Romanticised by the Tsars but crushed by the communists, Russia's Cossack communities are rapidly rebuilding themselves and have become a powerful symbol of nationalist fervour.

To many Russians, they have betrayed their martial roots to become henchmen for the worst aspects of Mr Putin's rule.

Most recently, they have been seen on the streets of Crimea, often heavily armed and sometimes drunk, blockading Ukrainian troops in their barracks and running road blocks.

They were also filmed whipping members of the band Pussy Riot when the all-female group attempted a street performance at the Winter Olympics in Sochi.
They also admit being close to other hard-line Slav nationalists, Serbs in particular.

Earlier this month, Alexei Sushkov was responsible for hosting a group of black-bearded Chetniks, Serb militia, in Sevastopol.

They serve under a death's head insignia and volunteered to help with Russia's invasion of Crimea.

"You have to have great personal discipline. You need to be religious and of good character to be a Cossack," he confided.

Mr Sushkov is not so much a bear of a man as a man who looks like he ate a bear, and the meal was a little wanting.

He says that when the Cossacks invaded Crimea, they brought their own weapons or picked them up from local authorities when they arrived. They also turned up with an armoured personnel carrier - or a "mini-tank", as they called it.

He spoke with passion about how he wished he had been able to help the Serbs fight in the former Yugoslavia and of how they were bilked of the province of Kosovo, which won its independence after a civil war with Serbia and Nato bombardment of Serb forces.

"Russia was weak back then," he growled.

On the outskirts of Taganrog, a few miles from the border with Ukraine, Cossacks demonstrated how they were reviving the tradition of horsemanship which was central to the Cossacks' culture.

Their warlike tendencies and citizen cavalry meant their regiments became a celebrated part of Tsarist imperial life.

The Don Cossacks ruled a vast Host on both sides of the River Don for centuries and were given a degree of autonomy from central government.

When many sided with the White Russians against the Bolsheviks in the early part of the last century, though, they were crushed by the Soviet rulers who snuffed out any potential threats to the Party's hegemony.

They are gentle with their horses, ride with light hands and are freely affectionate towards their mounts - kissing and cuddling them like beloved children.

Such tenderness is in sharp contrast to what they have planned, the details of which they won't share, in the neighbouring Ukrainian region of Donetsk.

"We are ready to go in whenever the time comes to protect our people," said Andrei Lovlenski, the ataman of the Taganrog Cossacks. "We are ready."

In Rostov-on-Don, a city of one million people and home to a vast helicopter factory, the Cossack revival is being driven by Timor Okkert, the local ataman.

He is a combat veteran of Russian conflicts in Georgia, Chechnya and Nagorno-Karabakh.

Close to the Patriots' Sports Club where his Cossack disciples work out and learn martial arts, his offices house an impressive collection of swords and automatic weapons.

He led Cossacks into Crimea and is convinced he will be asked to go into other parts of Ukraine too.

"We've been used like this for many centuries," he said.

But what does he expect from Mr Putin in return?

Mr Okkert allows a brief sneer to cross his face.

"That's a rhetorical question," he said. "We're still waiting for an adequate answer from our government."

That's a warning - it means once unleashed, the Cossacks may be hard to control.

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May 06, 2014, 03:53:25 PM
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Member of the "People's Republic of Donetsk" - turned actor from Moscow



http://andreistp.livejournal.com/2609515.html

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May 06, 2014, 03:55:13 PM
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I thought that the civilian woman in Slavjansk was killed by a stray bullet, but it looks like she was deliberately murdered by sniper fire:
http://rt.com/news/156964-sniper-killed-woman-slavyansk/

“Dark times lie ahead of us and there will be a time when we must choose between what is easy and what is right.”
“We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.”
“It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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