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May 07, 2014, 06:48:01 PM |
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@Stalinist - good photos, looks the same as ruSSian crimes in Chechnya, but please remove hot links, because that is NSFW content  |
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May 07, 2014, 06:50:55 PM |
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@Stalinist - good photos, looks the same as ruSSian crimes in Chechnya, but please remove hot links, because that is NSFW content There is no any hotlinks there, same was as there was no "Russian crimes in Chechnya". If you insist so much you can provide those photographs you claim looks similar. Will you? |
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May 07, 2014, 07:03:24 PM |
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You mean Parubiy, Kolomoyskiy and rest of junta? This is a joke? |
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May 07, 2014, 07:06:00 PM |
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There is no any hotlinks there, same was as there was no "Russian crimes in Chechnya". If you insist so much you can provide those photographs you claim looks similar. Will you?
Crimes in Chechenya? Most of the crimes were committed by Doku Umarov and his dogs. And yes... Right Sector was present there also, supporting the Chechen Islamists in torturing and murdering the Russian soldiers as well as civilians. Aleksandr Muzychko of Right Sector here, pictured with his Chechen wife after beheading a Russian soldier:  |
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May 07, 2014, 07:11:20 PM |
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May 07, 2014, 07:11:56 PM |
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There is no any hotlinks there, same was as there was no "Russian crimes in Chechnya". If you insist so much you can provide those photographs you claim looks similar. Will you?
O please don't make me laugh. There are many informations about war crimes by Russian military http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War#Human_rights_and_war_crimes |
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May 07, 2014, 07:18:45 PM |
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Ukraine crisis: Putin says referendum on autonomy should be postponedhttp://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/07/ukraine-crisis-putin-referendum-autonomy-postponedThe Kremlin beat a tactical retreat on Wednesday over a regional referendum scheduled for Sunday following days of soaring tension that have left dozens dead and fed fears of a civil war in Ukraine. Russia's president, Vladimir Putin, said the referendum being staged by pro-Russia separatists in parts of eastern Ukraine on Sunday should be postponed.
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May 07, 2014, 07:20:51 PM |
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Crimes in Chechenya? Most of the crimes were committed by Doku Umarov and his dogs. And yes... Right Sector was present there also, supporting the Chechen Islamists in torturing and murdering the Russian soldiers as well as civilians. Aleksandr Muzychko of Right Sector here, pictured with his Chechen wife after beheading a Russian soldier: I do not support any acts of terrorism or any actions against civilians no matter the cause. But in case of Chechenya the first one who attacked was Russia. In Ukraine it's pretty much the same thing, Ukraine people want to be fully independent so Putin decided to send his agents to start a civil war in Ukraine |
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May 07, 2014, 07:23:35 PM |
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Also interesting that ""Putin's Kremlin has made a fetish of remembering WWII. Funny how they never mention Moscow's partnering-with-Hitler role in starting it. The Soviet Union was not a victim of WWII. They were 1 of the 2 countries that started it. Their thug-partner inconveniently turned on them" - John Schindler."  |
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May 07, 2014, 07:25:47 PM |
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You mean this: http://rys-arhipelag.ucoz.ru/publ/37-1-0-1200With massive accounts of kidnappings by Chechen terrorists. |
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May 07, 2014, 07:29:38 PM |
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That supposed to be proof? I asked you to show me pictures that is PROVEN to be atrocities made by Russians. And while you desperatey trying to find one, tell me where are 250000 Russians from Chechnya gone between 1992-1995? How about 981 passenger trains that been robbed there in 1992 alone so rail road communication through Chechya was cut for a decade? How about murder, SLAVERY and mass rapes of civilians and journalistsmade by CIA funded jihadists there? |
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May 07, 2014, 07:30:32 PM |
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I've alredy posted that: I do not support any acts of terrorism or any actions against civilians no matter the cause. But in case of Chechenya the first one who attacked was Russia. In Ukraine it's pretty much the same thing, Ukraine people want to be fully independent so Putin decided to send his agents to start a civil war in Ukraine
And as for Your link, well Russian sources on that kind of topics are not the most reliable (although I cannot say there are not true). |
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May 07, 2014, 07:31:53 PM |
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I do not support any acts of terrorism or any actions against civilians no matter the cause. But in case of Chechenya the first one who attacked was Russia. In Ukraine it's pretty much the same thing, Ukraine people want to be fully independent so Putin decided to send his agents to start a civil war in Ukraine
That depends on how much propaganda you are hearing. The Russians attacked Chechenya only after the rebels invaded the neighboring republic of Daghestan and captured a few villages. Before that they killed tens of thousands of Slavs and drove out around 300,000 of them, but Yeltsin was not much bothered about that. Following the same logic, what would you say about the standoff between the American Indian Movement and the US federal troops in Wounded Knee, South Dakota (in 1973)? The Americans had earlier invaded the land of the Sioux, massacring 90% of them. Then they entered in to a treaty, which was violated multiple times. The Sioux language was banned and the children were forcibly taken away. And unlike North Dakota and South Dakota, 90% of the land in Chechenya is owned by Chechens. No one is stealing their land. And regarding Ukraine. Nuland and Obama spent some $5 billion to overthrow the democratically elected government of Yanukovych. Then they installed some Right Sector and Svoboda nazis to the office. And the next thing, they banned the Russian language. Eastern Ukrainians had enough and they decided to breakway from the Kiev junta. And what Putin has to do about this? He is staying out of this conflict. The only foreigners who are interfering is Obama and Nuland. |
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May 07, 2014, 07:38:02 PM |
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And regarding Ukraine. Nuland and Obama spent some $5 billion to overthrow the democratically elected government of Yanukovych. Then they installed some Right Sector and Svoboda nazis to the office. And the next thing, they banned the Russian language. Eastern Ukrainians had enough and they decided to breakway from the Kiev junta. And what Putin has to do about this? He is staying out of this conflict. The only foreigners who are interfering is Obama and Nuland.
Please give me a source or some kind of link to a site that will confirm those informations. You are telling me that Obama and other spend 5 bilions but do You have proof? As for propaganda I could ask You the same thing  |
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May 07, 2014, 07:39:38 PM |
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http://press.princeton.edu/titles/9014.htmlTerror in Chechnya: Russia and the Tragedy of Civilians in War
Emma GilliganTerror in Chechnya is the definitive account of Russian war crimes in Chechnya. Emma Gilligan provides a comprehensive history of the second Chechen conflict of 1999 to 2005, revealing one of the most appalling human rights catastrophes of the modern era--one that has yet to be fully acknowledged by the international community. Drawing upon eyewitness testimony and interviews with refugees and key political and humanitarian figures, Gilligan tells for the first time the full story of the Russian military's systematic use of torture, disappearances, executions, and other punitive tactics against the Chechen population. In Terror in Chechnya, Gilligan challenges Russian claims that civilian casualties in Chechnya were an unavoidable consequence of civil war. She argues that racism and nationalism were substantial factors in Russia's second war against the Chechens and the resulting refugee crisis. She does not ignore the war crimes committed by Chechen separatists and pro-Moscow forces. Gilligan traces the radicalization of Chechen fighters and sheds light on the Dubrovka and Beslan hostage crises, demonstrating how they undermined the separatist movement and in turn contributed to racial hatred against Chechens in Moscow. A haunting testament of modern-day crimes against humanity, Terror in Chechnya also looks at the international response to the conflict, focusing on Europe's humanitarian and human rights efforts inside Chechnya. Emma Gilligan is assistant professor of Russian history and human rights at the University of Connecticut. She is the author of Defending Human Rights in Russia: Sergei Kovalyov, Dissident and Human Rights Commissioner, 1969-2003.
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May 07, 2014, 07:42:18 PM |
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Saying that Russia attacked Chechenija is a bit absurd, as Chechenia is also Russia. Russian reacted to the acts of insurgent terrorism, in a similar way that Yugoslavia was reacting to KLA. There are at least 4 parties to the Chechen conflict - the picture is not a simple "bad Russian, saint Chechens". The name of Berezovskij crops up very often in the context of arms-deals in Chechenija, and the Western weapons were a regular trophies when insurgent bands were eliminated.
And I also mentioned it before that I know some Chechen refugees who fled not from Russians, but from Chechens because of refusing to shelter and provide for "the mountain men".
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May 07, 2014, 07:43:04 PM |
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Please give me a source or some kind of link to a site that will confirm those informations. You are telling me that Obama and other spend 5 bilions but do You have proof? As for propaganda I could ask You the same thing There is no need for any proof. Nuland herself told that in the public and every media outlet in the world carried that story on their front page. Watch her saying that in public: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2fYcHLouXY |
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May 07, 2014, 07:43:45 PM |
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And regarding Ukraine. Nuland and Obama spent some $5 billion to overthrow the democratically elected government of Yanukovych. Then they installed some Right Sector and Svoboda nazis to the office. And the next thing, they banned the Russian language. Eastern Ukrainians had enough and they decided to breakway from the Kiev junta. And what Putin has to do about this? He is staying out of this conflict. The only foreigners who are interfering is Obama and Nuland.
Please give me a source or some kind of link to a site that will confirm those informations. You are telling me that Obama and other spend 5 bilions but do You have proof? As for propaganda I could ask You the same thing |
“Dark times lie ahead of us and there will be a time when we must choose between what is easy and what is right.”
“We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.”
“It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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