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Author Topic: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia.  (Read 734893 times)
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May 29, 2014, 11:26:17 PM
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"So the right and left have come together on behalf of Moscow. This is true not only in Europe but America, where Communist Parties, leftist movements, and others sympathetic to Moscow have found themselves in bed with figures such as Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul in defending Russian aggression against Ukraine."

http://www.trevorloudon.com/2014/05/how-democracies-perish/


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Russia's Hand in Ukraine Is Exposed



http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-05-28/russia-s-hand-in-ukraine-is-exposed

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May 30, 2014, 04:00:19 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rypH9UZzFQY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfGoaIOV4ys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_jIr_DFtZc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpF_giOOldc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6GV-mva99Y

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Shells hit hospital as Ukrainian army resumes strike on Slavyansk
http://rt.com/news/162456-slavyansk-shelling-ukraine-army/

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Kiev’s troops renewed the shelling of Slavyansk on Friday morning, residents told RT. A local children's hospital and a clinic came under fire. There are no reports of injuries.

“This morning they hit the children’s policlinic in the center of the city and the reception ward of the children’s hospital. It was at 5 am,” Vladimir, a Slavyansk resident, told RT.

“The hospital and the policlinic stand close to each other. The hospital was damaged worse than the policlinic,” another resident said. “There were no victims.”

And just to reiterate why Slavjansk is being shelled:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/polish-death-squads-fighting-in-ukraine-cia-covert-operation/5384210
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One of the potential shale gas fields for which development rights were given to Burisma Holdings is the Yuzivska shale field. Besides Slavyansk and part of neighboring Kramatorsk, with a population of 160,000 people, the tract given to Shell includes the cities of Krasny Luch and Svyatogorsk in the Donetsk region, as well as Balakeya and Izyum in the neighboring Kharkov region. And the shale gas extraction contract is written such that the Ukrainian government is obligated to forcibly take property away from its lawful owners if Shell states that it plans to drill on those lands. The vicinity of Slavyansk has been selected as the location for the drilling of the first gas wells…



Ukrainian army to continue offensive in the east until 'stability' restored - defence minister
http://rt.com/news/162476-ukrainian-army-offensive-east/

What they mean - until everyone living over the shale gas deposits are dead.



Resistance in Lugansk announced the release of OSCE observers:
http://www.aif.ru/euromaidan/uanews/1179986

They were released after their identities were confirmed and it became clear that they are not connected with the provocations. They were issued a warning that in the future they should carry appropriate papers/documentation with them.

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“We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.”
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May 30, 2014, 01:18:10 PM
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Kiev pulling more troops to the East.

Kiev may withdraw UN peacekeepers from Africa to participate in the special operation

http://ria.ru/world/20140530/1010016609.html
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Kiev pulling more troops to the East.

Kiev may withdraw UN peacekeepers from Africa to participate in the special operation

http://ria.ru/world/20140530/1010016609.html

So, what they are saying with this move, is that they are running out of Army.  Roll Eyes

“Dark times lie ahead of us and there will be a time when we must choose between what is easy and what is right.”
“We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.”
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So, what they are saying with this move, is that they are running out of Army.  Roll Eyes

Army is still there. Numbers more than 100,000 if the reserve troops are also counted. But the problem is that half of them are from the South-East and will defect to the rebel side once they are sent to the Donbass. 90% of the rest are from Rivne and Volyn, who don't want to fight the rebels. Only the 10% from the Right Sector strongholds of Lvov, Ternopol.etc are willing to fight the people of Donbass.
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May 30, 2014, 07:06:47 PM
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The Opinion-Makers: How Russia Is Winning the Propaganda War
By SPIEGEL Staff

With the help of news services like RT and Ruptly, the Kremlin is seeking to reshape the way the world thinks about Russia. And it has been highly successful: Vladimir Putin has won the propaganda war over Ukraine and the West is divided.

Ivan Rodionov sits in his office at Berlin's Postdamer Platz and seems to relish his role as the bad guy. He rails in almost accent-free German, with a quiet, but sharp voice, on the German media, which, he claims, have been walking in "lockstep" when it comes to their coverage of the Ukraine crisis. During recent appearances on two major German talk shows, Rodionov disputed allegations that Russian soldiers had infiltrated Crimea prior to the controversial referendum and its annexation by Russia. He says it's the "radical right-wing views" of the Kiev government, and not Russia, that poses the threat. "Western politicians," he says, "are either helping directly or are at least looking on."

Rodionov defends President Vladimir Putin so vehemently that one could be forgiven for confusing him with a Kremlin spokesperson. But Rodionov views himself as a journalist. The 49-year-old is the head of the video news agency Ruptly, founded one year ago and financed by the Russian government. The eighth floor of the office building has a grand view of Germany's house of parliament, the Reichstag. It's a posh location and the Kremlin doesn't seem to mind spending quite a bit of money to disseminate its view of the world from here. Around 110 people from Spain, Britain, Russia and Poland work day and night in the three-floor office space on videos that are then syndicated to the international media.

At first glance, it's not obvious that Ruptly is actually Kremlin TV. In addition to Putin speeches, there are also numerous other video clips available in its archive, ranging from Pussy Riot to arrests of members of the Russian opposition. When it comes to eastern Ukraine, however, the agency offers almost exclusively videos that are favorable towards pro-Russian supporters of the "People's Republic of Donetsk," which was founded by separatists. You'll also find right-wing radicals like Britain's Nick Griffin or German far-right extremist Olaf Rose, an ideologist with the neo-Nazi National Democratic Party (NPD), stirring up hatred towards the European Union and its Ukraine policies.

Propagating the Kremlin's Position

Rodionov says that, since its founding, Ruptly has attracted 14 subscribers and over 200 customers, including German broadcasters "both public and private." Subsidies from Moscow enable Ruptly to offer professionally produced videos at prices cheaper than those of the private competition.

The battle over Ukraine is being fought with diverse means -- with harsh words and soft diplomacy, with natural gas, weapons and intelligence services. But perhaps the most important instruments being deployed by Moscow are the Internet, newspapers and television, including allegedly neutral journalists and pundits dispatched around the world to propagate the Kremlin position.

"We're in the middle of a relentless propaganda war," says Andrew Weiss, vice president of studies at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, an influential Washington think tank. Weiss describes this propaganda as a crucial tool used by Russia to conduct its foreign policy.

Moscow is looking beyond the short-term, seeking to influence opinion in the long-run to create "an alternative discourse in Western countries as well," says Margarita Simonyan, editor in chief of Kremlin foreign broadcaster RT, formerly known as Russia Today, which owns Ruptly.

The Kremlin invests around €100 million ($136 million) a year in Russian media abroad in order to influence public opinion in the West. This effort also helps explain why Putin addressed Germans directly in his speech on the annexation of Crimea. Noting the Kremlin had supported Germany's reunification process, he called on Germans to back Russia's reunification with Crimea. Putin's popularity in Germany has declined steadily over the years, but his worldview remains quite popular.

A Triumphant Media Advance

Sources within the Kremlin express satisfaction these days when talking about Moscow's information policies. "We may have won the war in Georgia in 2008, but we lost the propaganda battle against America and the West by a mile," says one. "Thanks to RT and the Internet, though, we are now closing the gap."

Whereas Ruptly is seeking to establish itself as an alternative to Reuters and the Associated Press in providing video footage, RT has already successfully established itself in the nine years since its creation, recently surpassing even CNN when it comes to clips viewed on YouTube. With close to 1.2 billion views, the BBC is the only media outlet ahead of RT. In Britain, RT has more viewers than the Europe-wide news station Euronews and in some major US cities, the channel is the most-viewed of all foreign broadcasters. RT's 2,500 employees report and broadcast in Russian, English, Spanish and Arabic with German to be added soon.

The triumphant advance of Putin's broadcaster began in a former factory in northeast Moscow. Founding RT editor Simonyan was just 25 at the time Putin appointed her in 2005. Her assignment from the Russian president: to "break the monopoly of the Anglo-Saxon mass media."

It's a mandate she has been pursuing successfully ever since. "There's large demand for media that doesn't just parrot the uniform pulp from the Western press," says Simonyan. "Even in Western countries." RT gives pro-Russian representatives from Eastern Ukraine far more air time than supporters of the government in Kiev, and not even Simonyan disputes this fact. "We're something along the lines of Russia's Information Defense Ministry," her co-workers say, not without pride.

Ruptly and RT are only the most visible instruments being used by the Kremlin. Other propaganda methods being exploited can be less obvious.

For example, when German talk shows invite Russian journalists to speak about the Ukraine crisis, they are almost always pundits who could have been taken directly out of the Kremlin propaganda department. Programmers, of course, like to book these guests because they generate heated and provocative discussion. But it's also a function of the fact that experts critical of the government either don't want to talk or are kept from doing so. Take the example of Sergej Sumlenny, who served until January as the German correspondent for the Russian business magazine Expert. Early on, he appeared often on German talk shows, intelligently and pointedly criticizing Putin's policies. He has since been driven out at the magazine.

In his stead, the Russian perspective is now represented on German talk shows by people like Anna Rose, who is generally introduced as a correspondent for Rossiyskaya Gazeta, or Russian Gazette. The name sounds innocuous enough, but eyebrows should be raised immediately when this "serious" Russian journalist begins claiming that the Ukrainian army could be shooting "at women and children" and that Russian soldiers need to provide them with protection. Her positions suddenly become more understandable with the knowledge that Rossiyskaya Gazeta is the Russian government's official newspaper.

Manipulating Comments and Social Media

Those who read comments posted under articles about Ukraine on news websites will have noticed in recent months that they have been filled with missives that always seem to follow the same line of argumentation. Moscow's independent business daily Vedomosti reported recently that, since the start of the Ukraine crisis, the presidential administration in Moscow has been testing how public opinion in the United States and Europe can be manipulated using the Internet and social networks. The paper reported that most of the professional comment posters active in Germany are Russian immigrants who submit their pro-Russian comments on Facebook and on news websites.

In addition, journalists and editors at German websites and publications report receiving letters and emails offering "explosive information about the Ukraine crisis" on an almost daily basis. The "sources" often mention they have evidence about the right-wing nature of the Kiev government that they would like to supply to journalists. The letters are written in German, but appear to include direct translations of Russian phrases. They would seem to have been written by mother-tongue Russian speakers.

Other forms of propaganda have also been deployed in recent months. For example, there have been frequent incidences of intercepted conversations of Western diplomats or Kiev politicians getting published in ways that serve Russia's interests. From the "Fuck the EU" statement by Victoria Nuland, the top US diplomat to Europe, right up to statements made by Estonia's foreign minister that were apparently supposed to prove who was responsible for the deaths of protesters on Maidan Square. The Russian media also seemed to take pleasure in reporting in mid-April that CIA head John Brennan had traveled to Kiev.

There's a high likelihood that this confidential information and the content of intercepted communications is being strewn by Russian intelligence. Officials at Western intelligence agencies assume that even communications encrypted by the Ukrainian army are being intercepted by the Russians.
 
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The Opinion-Makers: How Russia Is Winning the Propaganda War
By SPIEGEL Staff

Part 2: 'The West Has Never Gotten over Putin's Return'

The Kremlin also deftly exploits the anti-American sentiment of many Western Europeans, by claiming, for example, that American mercenaries and consultants have been deployed in eastern Ukraine. Even today, there is still no evidence to back any of these allegations. But America's credibility isn't helped by the fact that Washington also disseminates its own anti-Russian propaganda.

Backed by the drumbeat of conservative Fox News, Republic Senator John McCain has been loudly calling on the US government to provide pro-Western forces with active aid, including weapons. Meanwhile, Forbes magazine has asked: "Is Putin a new Hitler?" In addition, Washington's development agency, USAID, announced at the start of May it would provide $1.25 million in support to Ukrainian media organizations as they prepared for presidential elections. Washington has long provided support for a network of opposition groups who were active during the Orange Revolution and are now mobilizing against Moscow.

A media center established by the new government in Kiev's Hotel Ukraina has been partly financed by George Soros' International Renaissance Foundation. Day in and day out, reporters are airing interviews with ministers and loyal political scientists who interpret events in eastern Ukraine the way the Kiev government would like to see them portrayed.

Still, Moscow's efforts present a stark contrast to the activities of independent European media companies. Many newspapers and broadcasters have scaled back their bureaus in Moscow or closed them altogether in recent years. This has created a shortage of experts who can penetrate the propaganda coming from all sides and provide honest analysis of what is actually happening.

The fact that the brainwashing seems to be working could be evidenced last Monday when German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier made an appearance in the run-up to elections for the European Parliament on Berlin's Alexanderplatz square. Left-wing activists shouted and booed at the foreign minister and held up signs stating, "Stop the Nazis in Ukraine!" Moscow registered the protest with satisfaction and the Kremlin-aligned media reported on it extensively.

Russia's Greatest Propaganda Success

The purpose of this global battle to shape opinion isn't merely to transform Europeans and Americans into fans of Vladimir Putin. The Russian president is also targeting his own people, seeking to make himself unassailable within Russia.

Putin's greatest propaganda success is the fact that the majority of Russians now believe that Kiev is ruled by fascists. Evoking World War II in this way has proven very effective with Russians. One member of Russia's parliament, the Duma, even went so far as to call the fire in Odessa that killed 30 pro-Russia activists a "new Auschwitz." Meanwhile, the head of parliament spoke of genocide in Ukraine. With the spin machine at full steam, it is perhaps of little surprise that a radio poll recently found that 89 percent of listeners agreed with the idea that the "participants of the mass murder in Odessa should be found and executed without trial."

Journalists with the Russian state media often like to quote German politicians and experts. Unfortunately, they always seem to pick from the same pack of pundits. One is Putin biographer Alexander Rahr, formerly a Russia specialist at the German Council on Foreign Relations (DGAP) and today a consultant with the gas firm Wintershall, which has deep ties with Russia." The West has never gotten over Putin's return," Rahr says in explaining Germany's position toward the Kremlin. He also claims that German politicians' private beliefs are different from their public statements. They are, he says, only able to express themselves openly about Russia once they have left office.

The Kremlin Seizes Control

A critical analysis of such statements has been lacking. One reason is that in recent months, the Kremlin has begun tightening control over Russian-language Internet media in order to keep the home front from wavering. Russian investigative journalist and security services expert Andrei Soldatov says that Kremlin-aligned youth organizations are assisting the government in posting blogs and attacking Moscow's critics.

Most broadcasters and newspapers are already under the Kremlin's control. Some 94 percent of Russians obtain their information primarily from state television. The problem is that state TV has no qualms about blatantly fabricating the news. Two weeks ago, for example, the evening news showed video allegedly depicting the murder of a pro-Russian fighter in eastern Ukraine by nationalists. In fact, the video used was actually one and a half years old and showed fighters in the north Caucasus.

Few have studied the effects of that kind of propaganda as much as Lev Gudkov, the head of independent Moscow pollster Levada. The institution recently had to undergo yet another government review. "The public prosecutor openly admitted to us that the only reason we haven't been closed yet is that the Kremlin hasn't given the final order to shut us down," says Gudkov. "But we are certainly being harassed."

The 67-year-old research pulls out one poll after another from a stack of papers. They show that when the mass protests against President Viktor Yanukovych broke out, only 30 percent of Russians believed that Ukraine's Association Agreement with the EU was a "betrayal of Slavic unity." In February, at the peak of the Maidan protests, 73 percent still considered the issue to be an internal one for Ukrainians. In the time that has transpired since, some 58 percent of Russians now support the annexation of eastern Ukraine by Russia.

"The successful propaganda campaign we are witnessing here surrounding the Ukraine crisis is unique and highly sophisticated, even compared to Soviet standards," says Gudkov. "The Kremlin has succeeded in stirring up sentiments deeply rooted in the Russian psyche: the yearning for an imperial grandness, a sense of anti-Americanism and pride over Russia's victory over Hitler's Germany."

Ultimately, it was the annexation of Crimea that silenced Putin's critics. Prior to the development, dissatisfaction with Putin had been growing continuously. Polls showed an increasing number of Russians wanted to vote the president out of office. In November 2013, 53 percent said they would vote for a different candidate during the next election. But Putin experienced a meteoric rise in popularity after the annexation, with 86 percent of Russians now saying they would re-elect him.

By Moritz Gathmann, Christian Neef, Matthias Schepp and Holger Stark

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old but great text, for those who understand Russian >

Юpa Чepнoyc

Caмый бoльшoй cтpax Poccии в тoм ЧTO УКPAИHA ECTЬ

Укpaины – нeт. Пpaвитeльcтвo тaм нe лeгитимнoe, чepт знaeт ктo, мы иx знaть нe знaeм и в yпop нe видим. Ecть eдинcтвeнный лeгитимный пpeзидeнт Янyкoвич, нo eгo тoжe нeт.
Дa чтo тaм, пpeзидeнт, и гocyдapcтвa тaкoгo тoжe нeт. Былo гocyдapcтвo, нo пpoизoшлa peвoлюция, cтapoe гocyдapcтвo oтмeнилocь, a нoвoe мы пoкa нe видим. Кaк тaм гoвopят – lost state. Былo, дa зaтepялocь кyдa-тo.

И нapoдa тaкoгo – yкpaинцы – нeт. Укpaинцы – этo pyccкиe, тoлькo мaлeнькиe, мaлopoccы. Oни кaк дeти, игpaют чeгo-тo, кyшaть xoтят, Пyтинa oчeнь любят. O ниx нaдo зaбoтитcя. Учить иx нaдo.
Ecли ecть кaкиe-тo yкpaинцы, кoтopыe чeгo-тo xoтят – тo этo бaндepoвцы. Бaндepoвцы – этo фaшиcты.. Oни выпpыгнyли из вeликoй oтeчecтвeннoй вoйны и зaxвaтили мaлeнькиx, нeзлoбивыx и cимпaтичныx, нo нepaзyмныx pyccкиx дeтeй. C фaшиcтaми мы вoюeм.

Этo для шиpoкиx мacc. Люди, пo-нacтoящeмy иcкyшeнныe в миpoвoй пoлитикe, пoнимaют, кoнeчнo, этo нe нacтoящиe фaшиcты. Hacтoящиx фaшиcтoв тoвapищ Cтaлин пoбeдил в 1945 гoдy. A этo нeдoбитки. Кoтopыx, кoнeчнo, нe былo бы, ecли бы иx нe пpикapмливaли пeчeнькaми. Taк чтo пo cyти этo aмepикaнцы. Aмepикaнцы, кoтopыe ycтpoили Maйдaн и oтвeвaли y нac Укpaинy, кoтopoй тeпepь нeт. Чтo-тo ecть, нo этo нe Укpaинa. Этo вooбщe, ecли тaк вдyмaтьcя, cтpaнa, oккyпиpoвaннaя бaндepoвцaми, тo ecть фaшиcтaми, тo ecть aмepикaнцaми. Mы ee ocвoбoждaeм. Чacтями. Boт Кpым yжe ocвoбoдили. Oт aмepикaнцeв. Hy тo ecть oт фaшиcтoв. Oт бaндepoвцeв.
Eщe paз – yкpaинцeв нeт, a ecть бaндepoвцы, кoтopыe фaшиcты, кoтopыe нa caмoм дeлe aмepикaнцы. C ними мы и вoюeм.

Oчeнь xopoшo пpичeм вoюeм. Mы y ниx oккyпиpoвaли Кpым, xитpo тaк, кaк бyдтo и нe мы, пepeoдeлиcь и oккyпиpoвaли. Oни в oтвeт чeгo? A ничeгo. Caнкции, фигaнции – кишкa y ниx тoнкa, и oпять жe этo им жe бoкoм выйдeт, вoт. Cкyшaют, кyдa дeнyтcя. Дa этo, кcтaти, вooбщe дaжe и нe вoйнa. Кaкaя вoйнa, гдe yбитыe? Heт никaкoй вoйны. Taк, миpнaя oккyпaция, чтoбы пoкaзaть aмepикaнцaм фигy в пpoцecce пoбeды нaд фaшизмoм.
Oни caми кaк? Иpaк, oпять жe вoт Кocoвo. Пoмнитe Кocoвo? He пoмнитe? Oчeнь xopoшo, чтo нe пoмнитe, мы вaм ceйчac paccкaжeм, тaм, знaчит, былo вoт тoчнo тo жe caмoe, чтo y нac, и aмepикaнцы были кaк мы. A тeпepь мы тoчнo кaк aмepикaнцы. Им мoжнo, a нaм нeльзя? Oни y нac oккyпиpoвaли нaшy Укpaинy, Maлopoccию, cтpaнy, гдe живyт мaлeнькиe poccиянe, нaшy, в cyщнocти, cтpaнy, a мы дoлжны в oтвeт чтo жe, cидeть в yглy? Дa oни жe нac жe пocлe этoгo yвaжaть нe бyдyт.

Ужac в тoм, чтo вcя этa xe*ня зaпoлняeт пocтeпeннo вce гoлoвы. He тoлькo энтyзиacтoв oккyпaции, a и тex, кoмy вce этo пoпepeк гopлa. Boт мнe, нaпpимep. Я yжe кoтopый дeнь, кaк идиoт, дyмaю, чтo нeт, caнкции, oни co вpeмeнeм-тo ox кaк бoльнo yдapят. Зaпaд, oн дoлгo зaпpягaeт, дa быcтpo eдeт, a вoт кaк paзoм гpaницы зaкpoют, вклaды зaмopoзят, тaк мaлo жe нe пoкaжeтcя. Дa нe cмoжeт цивилизoвaнный миp тaк пpocтo взять и cмиpитьcя c этим бeзoбpaзиeм.

Цивилизoвaнный миp oн пoдyмaeт, и cкaжeт cвoe нeцивилизoвaннoмy.
Cлyшaйтe, этo вce фaнтoмы. Дeлo coвepшeннo в дpyгoм.

Дeлo в тoм, чтo мы, Poccия, вoюeм c Укpaинoй. He c цивилизoвaнным миpoм, нe c Aмepикoй, нe c фaшиcтaми, a имeннo c Укpaинoй. Этo имeннo y нee, a нe y Aмepики, мы oтxaпaли кycoк тeppитopии. Mы c нeй вoюeм зa тo, чтo oнa вoccтaлa пpoтив жyликa и вopa, и cкинyлa eгo к чepтoвoй мaтepи. Mы c нeй вoюeм зa тo, чтo Пyтин eй пpeдлoжил 15 миллиapдoв дoллapoв, a oнa eмy в мopдy плюнyлa. Mы c нeй вoюeм зa тo, чтo oнa зaxoтeлa в Eвpoпy.

Moжнo cкoлькo yгoднo дeлaть вид, чтo вce дyмaющиe yкpaинцы – этo бaндepoвцы, фaшиcты, aнтиceмиты и pycoфoбы, нo этo жe чyшь, и мы знaeм, чтo этo чyшь. Mиллиoн чeлoвeк, кoтopый выxoдил в Киeвe пpoтив пyтинcкиx зaкoнoв Янyкoвичa – этo чтo, бaндepoвцы? Hy вы кoгo xoтитe oбмaнyть? Ceбя?

Ceбя. Bы нaдeeтecь, чтo этo чyдoвищнoe пpecтyплeниe – вoйнa Poccии пpoтив Укpaины – кaк тo вac минyeт. Кaк-тo тaк oкaжeтcя, чтo в иcтopию этo дeлo вoйдeт нe тeм, чтo Пyтин в 2014 гoдy oккyпиpoвaл чacть Укpaины зa ee пoпыткy cтaть eвpoпeйcкoй cтpaнoй, a чтo oн иcпpaвил иcтopичecкyю нecпpaвeдливocть, и вepнyть нaм Кpым, Ceвacтoпoль, Oдeccy, a лyчшe eщe Дoнeцк, Xapькoв, дaлee вeздe. Ho этo никaк нe пoлyчитcя.

B иcтopичecкoй пepcпeктивe этo нe пoлyчитcя, пocкoлькy yкpaинцы тeпepь бyдyт кoнcoлидиpoвaтьcя иcключитeльнo нa пpoтивocтoянии внeшнeмy aгpeccopy, и этoт aгpeccop – Poccия. Mы oккyпиpoвaли Beнгpию и Чexocлoвaкию, мы пpинyдили Пoльшy выceчь caмy ceбя – и чтo oни cдeлaли пoтoм? Oни pвaнyли oт нac к чepтoвoй мaтepи, и нeт y нac тeпepь бoлee cтoйкиx пpoтивникoв в Eвpoпe, чeм эти нaши бpaтcкиe кoгдa-тo нapoды. Ho чepт c нeй, c иcтopичecкoй пepcпeктивoй.
Гopaздo xyжe бyдeт пpямo ceйчac, кoгдa yкpaинцы нaчнyт coпpoтивлятьcя. Или вы дyмaeтe, oни никoгдa нe нaчнyт? Mы бyдeм пepeть и пepeть, a oни в oтвeт пecни пeть? Этo o чeм?

Bы кaждoгo yбитoгo бyдeтe пpeдcтaвлять бaндepoвцeм, тo ecть фaшиcтoм, тo ecть aмepикaнцeм? Haдoлгo xвaтит?

Глaвный yжac Poccии вoвce нe в caнкцияx, cчeтax, и визax, нe в мeждyнapoднoй изoляции, нe в милитapиcтcкoй иcтepии, нe тoм, чтo нaм кaк-тo тaм oтвeтят в Cиpии или чepт знaeт гдe eщe. Этo вce фигня, этo вooбщe нe o чeм. Глaвный yжac Poccии в тoм, чтo УКPAИHA – ECTЬ. И Poccия oккyпиpoвaлa ee тeppитopию.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vFTHruTb-o

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L9RCqgHaQU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vsE0IWqvw4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DLgPyN4DdQ

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7 children injured in Slavyansk as Ukrainian army shells residential area

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=495_1401495379

Ukraine crisis: Traffic of war in a border town

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27643518
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More news from the war front-lines:

Artillery shelling of Slavjansk residential areas with high-explosive shells continues. The main hit-zones are the center of the town Slavjansk, Artjomovsk neighbourhood and village Semenovka. Death toll among civilians is mounting.
A number of attack chopper are firing at the resistance positions.
http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2014/05/31/n_6196385.shtml



There is a full-scale battle going on on the outskirts of Donetsk:
http://www.bfm.ru/news/259905



Ukraine crisis: Traffic of war in a border town

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27643518

Trust BBC to write it at a frightened angle. Smiley
Cossacs live on both sides of the artificial border. Always have.



Oh, and Kadyrov counted 14 Chechen voluntary fighters in Eastern Ukraine. Smiley
http://echo.msk.ru/news/1331132-echo.html


7 children injured in Slavyansk as Ukrainian army shells residential area
http://rt.com/news/162604-chidren-injured-east-ukraine/

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“According to the public health department of the Donetsk regional administration, seven children were injured by bullets and shrapnel during the bombardment by the Ukrainian army,” Astakhov wrote on Twitter.

“Dark times lie ahead of us and there will be a time when we must choose between what is easy and what is right.”
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Humanitarian catastrophe in Slavyansk. Not only the children, but the adults are also fleeing now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZ7nY_pzFQo

According to local sources, more than 10,000 people have left Slavyansk in the last 2-3 days. Many more are planning to do so.

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More on it here:

Slavyansk kids escape to Russia from Kiev’s shelling
http://rt.com/news/162712-slavyansk-children-evacuation-crimea/

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“The city often comes under mortar shelling. People get hurt as a result. A mortar shell splinter the size of a walnut hit my grandpa’s leg and pierced the bone. If it went a little deeper, it could hit an artery, and that would be it for him,” one of the evacuees, Vladislav, said.

 “I was very scared. There were explosions. My dad just celebrated his birthday and he was woken by the sound of shelling on that day. I’m very glad I’m here now. It’s calm here,” said Darya, a girl in her early teens.

“What was frightening is when a shell flew by your window or you heard shots fired nearby. That’s what frightening,” said a boy called Artyom.  

And the "blame game":

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A spokesman for the military operation, which Kiev calls an “anti-terrorist” one, claimed that militia fighters wanted to escape the city under the cover of the humanitarian convoy or stage a provocation.
 “The kids are in danger due to a threat of provocation on the part of the terrorists. A column with so many children is a target for a terrorist attack. We don’t need a new Beslan,” Vladimir Seleznyov said.

Earlier the commander of the operation accused the militia of using civilians as human shields.

Kiev authorities have a habit of accusing those opposing them of various atrocities, often not bothering to back them with proof. The Friday hospital shelling was also blamed on militias by the Ukrainian troops, who said the self-defense squad in Slavyansk wanted to frame them.

“This propaganda strikes me as very ham-fisted and, frankly, absurd,” Nebojsa Malic from the R. Archibald Reiss institute for Serbian studies commented for RT. “If the people in Slavyansk wanted to really make a propaganda bid out of it, they would have tried to keep the civilians in and emphasize their suffering to the world media.”

“It’s much more likely that they are just trying to get the children away so that they don’t fall victim to the indiscriminate shelling by the government forces.”

Luckily at least those kids are out of danger now.

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Mikhas 31.05.2014 08:06

The US supported Nazi freaks in Banderastan in rump-"ukraine" is using the same tactic the western fascists did in Yugoslavia.

Scare, intimidate and kill portions of the population in *collateral damage* and flatten the infrastructure so that the anti-Nazi army has to give up to save their own people. Even if western/Ukie Der Sturmer fascist media keep silent on the crimes against humanity committed, it´s not going to work. Nobody in Novorossiya (or Banderastan for that matter) want more oligarch rule and certainly not a Banderastan *fourth reich* under whatever Nazi oligarch freak.

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Some more news:

Donetsk republic said that the main prerequisite of negotiations with Ukraine, is  acknowledgement of the republic's independence and withdrawal of Ukrainian troops from its territory:
http://www.interfax.ru/world/378964



Russian Ministry of Foreign  Affairs is incensed by OSCE's representative urging to intensify "anti-terrorist operation" in the east of Ukraine.
http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2014/05/31/n_6197125.shtml



Full-scale battles are going on in several regions around Slavjansk:
http://ria.ru/world/20140531/1010137387.html

Ukrainian army resumed mine-thrower shelling of the city, as a result two more civilians, including a 40-year old woman are dead.



Ukrainian military reports that they destroyed the resistance's motorised artillery unit, that was giving the army grief by firing at the Ukrainian artillery positions on mountain Karachun.
http://ria.ru/world/20140531/1010137908.html

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May 31, 2014, 02:30:12 PM
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Right Sector druggies have burnt several public transport buses in the city of Kramatorsk.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOKtIK3gcig

Cities of Seemyovka, Slavyansk, Kramatorsk and Donetsk under heavy artillery bombardment by the Ukrainian forces. Order to fire grads towards civilian areas refused by the soldiers.

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May 31, 2014, 09:01:26 PM
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Unconfirmed information form Donetsk relayed via Lugansk:
- NONA in Slavjansk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2S9_Nona) is alive and well and moves under its own steam, and not truck-mounted as Ukrainian MSM report
- Donetsk Republican Army acquired two guns from ZSU-23 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZSU-23-4) which can come in handy against the UN-marked choppers that shoot people down. They are being mounted on pick-up cars.
- Several truck with various goodies managed to cross from Motherland last night after a brief skirmish near Diakovo border block post.

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нoвocти c пoлeй ДHP - в xoзяйcтвe зaвe\лocь нecкoлькo ЗCУ 23 (зeнитки) - пpoтив штypмoвикoв и иcтpeбитeлeй cлaбoe opyжиe- пpoтив вepтyшeк- caмoe тo. Ceйчac иx мoнтиpyют нa пикaпы пo oпытy Cиpии и Ливии. Hoнa в Cлaвянcкe живeт и здpaвcтвyeт и eздит и cтpeляeт caмa a нe нa гpyзoвикe кaк yкpы бyлькaют. Ho caмoe глaвнoe- вce cлышaли пpo пepecтpeлкy нa гpaницe- пoдpoбнocти - 31.05.14. Инфopмaция oт лyгaнcкиx кoллeг oпoлчeнцeв Cлaвянcкa:
Hoчью был бoй y пoгpaнзacтaвы Дьякoвo. Гpyзoвики c дoбpoм пpopвaлиcь бeз пoтepь, пoэтoмy тeпepь y нac в ДHP бyдyт нe тoлькo "Игoлки", нo и "швeйныe мaшинки" и пpoчee дoбpo. Укpoпcким лeтчикaм-двoйнoй пpивeт!
пocтaвки c Poдины идyт и yкpoвepтoлeты пoтoмy пaдaют и бpoнeтexникa фaшиcтoв гopит...

“Dark times lie ahead of us and there will be a time when we must choose between what is easy and what is right.”
“We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.”
“It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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In witch direction shoot NONA?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIcdjRneHGw

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