Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia.

[chopstick]

an unprecedented period of peace has been challenged by Russia's aggression against Ukraine. - NATO

LOL

Yeah, tell that to the people of Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Sudan, Somalia, or Libya... or any other country that has seen the horrors of USA/NATO intervention.

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[keymone2]

an unprecedented period of peace has been challenged by Russia's aggression against Ukraine. - NATO

LOL

Yeah, tell that to the people of Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Sudan, Somalia, or Libya... or any other country that has seen the horrors of USA/NATO intervention.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_Operations#2001.E2.80.93present - among those countries you've listed NATO only had operation of enforcing no-fly zone over Lybia

what is with this demonization of NATO anyways? they are pretty much a police-like entity in the region and they usually don't act without UN aproval

[Pagan]

an unprecedented period of peace has been challenged by Russia's aggression against Ukraine. - NATO

LOL

Yeah, tell that to the people of Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Sudan, Somalia, or Libya... or any other country that has seen the horrors of USA/NATO intervention.

and whataboutism as always

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

[Pagan]

Russian-Backed Separatists Discuss Killing Civilians

 August 18, 2014

The Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) has released a new signals intelligence (SIGINT) intercept on its YouTube page (link here; see a follow-up report in the Kyiv daily Ukrayinska Pravda here) that it says demonstrates that Russian-backed separatists in the Donetsk area are targeting civilians. As Andriy Lysenko, spokesman for the Ukrainian National Security Council, explained today, the conversation provides evidence that the “terrorists” tried to lay blame for a shelling incident at Stepove on 15 August on Ukrainian forces, with the help of the Russian media.

The SBU intercept is a conversation between “Vovk” (Wolf), the deputy chief of state security for the “Donetsk People’s Republic” and “Korsa,” a female forward artillery observer for a unit of “Grad” 122mm multiple rocket launchers, the weapons that caused civilian casualties at Stepove.

Vovk: Yes.

Korsa: How could you hit Stepove?

Vovk: Where?

Korsa: Stepove.

Vovk: Where is it?

Korsa: It is near Berezove. I gave you position data.

Vovk: I do not know how we could hit it. Are there civilians in Stepove?

Korsa: Yes, there are civilians there. Three of our houses were hit. Little children were in one of the houses. Damn, I am feeling sick.

Vovk: You know what you need? I just got home, poured 150 (grams of vodka) and fucking drank it. Otherwise these things just drive me crazy.

Korsa: 150? I’ll pour today as well.

Vovk: Right. Because the nerves are shot.

The SBU intercepted another conversation between Vovk and Korsa five hours later.

Korsa: Today they made a mistake in coordinates of roughly one minute, they claim. But I gave a range in seconds (i.e. coordinates).

Vovk: The fact remains the fact. Ok, nobody knows about it. The information has been thrown out there that it was the Ukrops (derogatory term for Ukrainian forces) who hit the civilians. I can tell you that nobody is secured here. It’s been done before. This is war.

http://20committee.com/2014/08/18/russian-backed-separatists-discuss-killing-civilians/

[gmat]

http://en.censor.net.ua/video_news/296029/i_can_only_imagine_what_they_took_with_them_donbas_battalion_fighters_show_trophies_of_the_fleeing_militants

[chopstick]

an unprecedented period of peace has been challenged by Russia's aggression against Ukraine. - NATO

LOL

Yeah, tell that to the people of Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Sudan, Somalia, or Libya... or any other country that has seen the horrors of USA/NATO intervention.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_Operations#2001.E2.80.93present - among those countries you've listed NATO only had operation of enforcing no-fly zone over Lybia

what is with this demonization of NATO anyways? they are pretty much a police-like entity in the region and they usually don't act without UN aproval

Iraq, Afghanistan were occupied by the US. Hundreds of thousands of civilians if not more died between the 2 countries. And now after we pull out of Iraq ISIS has taken over large parts, committing genocide and killing tens of thousands more. Mission accomplished right? How is that for a contribution to global security? 

Libya - An absolute atrocity. NATO bombed the shit out of Libya and deposed Gaddhafi, now they are ruled by islamist extremists. The IMF took all their gold and the country is now in debt..

Syria - There were calls for NATO intervention but thanks to Russia and some serious resistance within the ranks of the US military it never materialized.

[chopstick]

an unprecedented period of peace has been challenged by Russia's aggression against Ukraine. - NATO

LOL

Yeah, tell that to the people of Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Sudan, Somalia, or Libya... or any other country that has seen the horrors of USA/NATO intervention.

and whataboutism as always

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

When you see hopelessly blatant hypocrisy, do you not call it out?

You can't just keep calling the kettle black and assume it all makes sense.

[chopstick]

Interview with a militiaman part 1

http://slavyangrad.org/2014/08/18/interview-with-a-rebel-part-1/

some key parts...

Why have you become an insurgent?

Because I do not agree with this Government and the things that are happening. I do not agree with this attitude towards the people. I could not bear it anymore to watch the people being tormented. Therefore, I have become an insurgent even though I’m already 53 years old. I do not agree that they came into my region. I will protect my trees, my stones, houses, children, women and everything else.

Where do you draw your optimism? You fight against the Ukrainian army and thousands of foreign mercenaries. The whole West backs the Ukraine. Why do you remain optimistic that you gain the upper hand?

We have a heroic people who have never knelt down. The victory will be ours, and if we still die, then better standing than on our knees. We have our vision, we have something that we want to fight for. Our grandchildren will grow up here. And if we die ourselves, our grandchildren will live as one must live, that is in a free country.

In much of the Western mass media it is reported that in reality the insurgents are composed of Russian special units or parts of the regular Russian army. What do you think?

We are not fighting for Russia, we are fighting for our people. Russia is a free country, a country where one can freely live without submissive bows to the United States and the EU. We know how you can live in Russia and we want to live like that as well. We do not want to bow before anyone, or worship anybody. We are a free people.


Why do the new leaders consider themselves entitled to kill such vast amounts of people? There used to whining all over the world, that allegedly some students on the Maidan were beaten. Now thousands are dying, and nobody cares. Why? Why the double moral standards – what ideology is it?

[About] these double standards, I understand the following: Ukraine executes commands from the West, it has no will of its own. Ukraine is eliminating people who are in the way for the coal and gas production of the Americans. They do not need our people here and destroy them therefore, area-wide. It is not a question of eliminating some of us, it is about to annihilate us comprehensively, using Grad [rocket] launchers, mines, surface-to-surface systems [ballistic missiles]. There are bombs, which leave a crater three metres deep and eight metres wide. Within a radius of 300 meters nothing is left alive. Thus, they destroy cities. Women and children are hiding in cellars and they burn them there with flame-throwers and explosives. They do not “only” kill families, but inhabitants of entire apartment buildings. The killing of insurgents’ wives is particularly enjoyed. Is it even possible not to fight against those guys? We are simply obliged to neutralize this contagious infection that is spreading in our country.

Were there cases that the Ukrainian army shelled buses or cars in which were clearly refugees?

Several times – even if it was written in large letters [on cars] that there were children. They shot at big crowds before customs houses. They fired at a seven-kilometer queue with grenade launchers and howitzers. People were running in all directions and left their stuff. As a slightly different example, next to the border an alarm system responded very loud at something; the children from the Donetsk region, from Kramatorsk thought that they would soon be bombarded. Which psyche can such children have?

What else is the Ukrainian army doing that you definitely do not know in the West?

Even people from the Stone Age have not done anything like these people in the 21st century. They torture, they kill people, break arms, cut off fingers, chop off heads and see how long you can still walk without a head. Everything you can imagine as horrible at all, they already do. We speak the same language, we had the same ABC-books at the school, so it is incomprehensible to me, through what influence they became the way they are.

more at link

[chopstick]

CONFIRMED PHOTOGRAPHIC KILLS OF ENEMY ARMOUR

http://lostarmour.info/armour/

Total Ukraine army losses that can be confirmed from photos: 145 tanks destroyed, 172 captured

[chopstick]

Kiev using chemical weapons in eastern Ukraine.

http://en.ria.ru/world/20140818/192123863/Kiev-Using-Chemical-Weapons-in-Eastern-Ukraine--Donetsk-Official.html

Where is the international outrage? Oh yeah, no one cares because it doesn't fit the western narrative.

[Balthazar]

Please don't use caps lock, bold and color tags... This functionality is reserved for idiots.

[keymone2]

Iraq, Afghanistan were occupied by the US. Hundreds of thousands of civilians if not more died between the 2 countries. And now after we pull out of Iraq ISIS has taken over large parts, committing genocide and killing tens of thousands more. Mission accomplished right? How is that for a contribution to global security? 

Libya - An absolute atrocity. NATO bombed the shit out of Libya and deposed Gaddhafi, now they are ruled by islamist extremists. The IMF took all their gold and the country is now in debt..

Syria - There were calls for NATO intervention but thanks to Russia and some serious resistance within the ranks of the US military it never materialized.

Lybia bombing by NATO was sanctioned by UN which means it was not vetoed by Russia. how come you are not demonizing Russia to same extent as you demonize USA? much hypocrisy?

[bryant.coleman]

Conflict situation status as of 18th August:

http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/kot_ivanov/71733898/19279/19279_original.jpg

Here are the major offensives (#1 to #20):

#1. During the battle in the area of ​​n. n. Nagolchik Lower (south Anthracite) were killed 2 armored personnel carriers and 14 soldiers of the enemy, captured gun D-30 and the car "Kamaz".

#2. As a result of clashes with the punitive expedition in the area of ​​the mound Saur-Mogila destroyed one tank, infantry fighting vehicles and three cars. Killed and wounded enemy lost up to 50 people

#3. Column Ukrainian troops were attacked with RPGs, two trucks with blown punishers

#4. Militia LC announced the destruction of two aircraft in the vicinity of the Army of Ukraine Krasnodona MIG 29 Su25

#5. The enemy was knocked out with the Big Vergunki

#6. Under the Miner's squad militia commander with the callsign "Shahid" broken column of armored vehicles in the Ukrainian village of Bolshaya Shishovka

#7. At this point comes the attack of militias Krasny Yar

#8. Do Grabski according militia, about 130 people dead. Almost completely in this boiler was destroyed by the so-called "Black Hundred"

#9. Novosvetlovke remained only a quarter of soldiers and equipment (in most Aydar, the enemy is about to be knocked out from there)

#10. Artillery militia suffered fire attack on the motorcade of the enemy near the village of Peter the Great. Destroyed up to 5 trucks with ammunition.

#11. Militias destroyed near Kharkov supply convoy, transporting ammunition for the 1st Tank Brigade. According to the news agency "New Russia", the incident occurred Izium area. As a result, the battle had been blown up four trucks with ammunition.

#12. The armed forces have occupied the city Zimogorye LC, and Rodakovo Sabovku (not confirmed)

#13. As a result of fierce fighting in Lower Krynka militia destroyed 32 units of military equipment, including 6 units

#14. Militias attacking the position of Ukrainian troops near the village Uspenka. The village is located near the border with Russia and the checkpoint "Matveyev Kurgan".

#15. Ukrainian militia repulsed the attack militants inside Yasinovataya, launched a counterattack and completely dislodged from punitive. Part of the enemy pushed back from the city.

#16. Under Luhansk destroyed column 95OMBR

#17. In the village people's militia forces Faschevka ending 80 hombre environment units APU and continues blocking battalion territorial defense "Aydar."

#18. Militia forces to 13.00 were released Zhdanovka (27 km north-east of Donetsk) and the southern part of Lower Krynka captured the National Guard units recently.

#19. During the battle with radical extremists "right sector" near the village of Mandrykino (south-western suburb of Donetsk) units of the national militia killed seven militants and injuring 13

#20. Around 14.00 during an assault on Khryashevatoe (LC) group of enemy tanks, supported by aviation units militia destroyed 3 tanks.

[Nemo1024]

Prime Minister of Donetsk Republic, Zaharchenko, thanked Kiev for delivering them a batch of new military hardware. The freeeom fighters are already into their 5th day of moving the hardware from the region of villages Stepanovka and Dmitrovka, and a still at it:
http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2014/08/18/n_6405489.shtml

 

In the meantime, Poroshenko urges a regroup of the troops in the East:
http://lenta.ru/news/2014/08/18/poroshenko/

And Ukrainian army is being prepared to fight into the winter (so you get the time-scale perspective of the perpetuated genocide):
http://ria.ru/world/20140819/1020525511.html

He does remind one of Bush here: 


Right Sector seems to be unhappy again and promises to move to Kiev if need be, especially since now they have a sufficient amounts of weapons, as opposed to the previous Maidan:
http://ria.ru/world/20140818/1020498604.html

At least Germany and Finland a bit more cautions, and refused to provide military assistance to Kiev:
http://ria.ru/world/20140818/1020453926.html

[deisik]

an unprecedented period of peace has been challenged by Russia's aggression against Ukraine. - NATO

LOL

Yeah, tell that to the people of Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Sudan, Somalia, or Libya... or any other country that has seen the horrors of USA/NATO intervention.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_Operations#2001.E2.80.93present - among those countries you've listed NATO only had operation of enforcing no-fly zone over Lybia

what is with this demonization of NATO anyways? they are pretty much a police-like entity in the region and they usually don't act without UN aproval

Iraq, Afghanistan were occupied by the US. Hundreds of thousands of civilians if not more died between the 2 countries. And now after we pull out of Iraq ISIS has taken over large parts, committing genocide and killing tens of thousands more. Mission accomplished right? How is that for a contribution to global security?  

Libya - An absolute atrocity. NATO bombed the shit out of Libya and deposed Gaddhafi, now they are ruled by islamist extremists. The IMF took all their gold and the country is now in debt..

It doesn't matter who rules in those countries (I mean Iraq and Libya before all) as long as the USA can control the flow of oil from their oil fields. Did you notice that even ISIS has gained control over the large parts of Iraq and even some oil fields, the oil supply didn't get interrupted from Iraq? The same stands true for Libya. The Islamic extremists may look atrocious (and they are), but they are willing to sell oil as much as Gaddafi was (in fact, they already sell it)...

In respect to Afghanistan, you should just substitute heroin for oil!

[keymone2]

and while russian nazis here are drooling over imaginary victories of russian terrorists there is some actual progress made from Ukrainian side - one district of Lugansk has been taken and cleaned from terrorism plague

lets hope for quick progress from this point and fast death to terrorists, the end is near.

[deisik]

and while russian nazis here are drooling over imaginary victories of russian terrorists there is some actual progress made from Ukrainian side - one district of Lugansk has been taken and cleaned from terrorism plague

lets hope for quick progress from this point and fast death to terrorists, the end is near.

I remember that the Ukrainian authorities had already declared Lugansk taken about a month ago (or was it Donetsk?). I'm curious if you really don't see that Kiev is losing the war? Time passes by, but they are still where they were over a month ago...

[Pagan]

Putin awarded the Order of Suvorov to the 76th Airborne Chernigov Division that participated in the seizure of Crimea, BlackSeaNews reports.
These are the ‘little green men’ who never were in Crimea according to Putin, until he remembered that indeed there were there and, now it’s time to hand them out their awards.
Award decree # 571 was posted on the official website of the President of the Russian Federation on August 18th. Military unit was awarded "for the successful execution of command assignments and for display of courage and heroism."

http://www.blackseanews.net/read/85708

[keymone2]

I remember that the Ukrainian authorities had already declared Lugansk taken about a month ago (or was it Donetsk?). I'm curious if you really don't see that Kiev is losing the war? Time passes by, but they are still where they were over a month ago...

interesting definition of "losing the war" you have. Kyiv has reclaimed more than 75% of original rebel-held territories and pushed them back to their main centers of power and main sources of live shields that protects them from being cleaned up in a matter of days because Kyiv was never into bombing the shit out of whole city just because there are terrorists in it. That's russian strategy which we not only have seen in Grozny but we've read about it in field notes from Chechnya war of probably-dead-or-evacuated-by-GRU terrorist leader Girkin.

so yeah, i see progress and i see lots of "gruz 200" coming back to russia in those humanitarian trucks.

[deisik]

I remember that the Ukrainian authorities had already declared Lugansk taken about a month ago (or was it Donetsk?). I'm curious if you really don't see that Kiev is losing the war? Time passes by, but they are still where they were over a month ago...

interesting definition of "losing the war" you have. Kyiv has reclaimed more than 75% of original rebel-held territories and pushed them back to their main centers of power and main sources of live shields that protects them from being cleaned up in a matter of days because Kyiv was never into bombing the shit out of whole city just because there are terrorists in it. That's russian strategy which we not only have seen in Grozny but we've read about it in field notes from Chechnya war of probably-dead-or-evacuated-by-GRU terrorist leader Girkin.

so yeah, i see progress and i see lots of "gruz 200" coming back to russia in those humanitarian trucks.

Okay, let's assume for a moment that what you say has some relevance to reality... You say that "one district of Lugansk has been taken and cleaned from terrorism plague" and "there is some actual progress made from Ukrainian side" (does it mean that there was no actual progress before?), so when will the "terrorists", as you call them, be done with after all? Could you give us a date by which everything will be over? How long should we wait, a week, a month, a year?