The Habanero - 650GH/s - OOS

[SVK]

There gonna be another batch w/ chips?

I am confused, why is it still for sale on ur site if cant get board + chips anymore?
Or is both chips + board assembled still avail for purchase @ 1100...

What we're selling on the website is just a full board, add a cooler and power supply and you're good to go. We still have some of those available from batch one. We're also looking at a second batch following a little more than a week behind.
The assembly service is a little more complicated to set up since we need to have a good conversation with the customers about timelines, whether chips are in hand, getting them to us in time, things like that. That cutoff has past so customers with chips in hand would get taken care of in the second batch now.

Call me completely confused or even stupid

What is advertised on your web page ?

Retail, private, corporate, local or international, single or multi ?

For us foreigners it's hard to get what is going on. I'm checking this thread every day and yesterday someone from your team declared that it is too late to purchase board with chip on it.
This board with chip was never I mean never for sale yet  So when did you manage to sell them ? Is there another site ?

Are you selling boards ?
Are you selling chips ?
Are you selling board and chip unmounted ?
Are you selling board and chip mounted ?
Does the "board" mean with chip or without chip ?

I'm personally completely lost

We're selling boards with chips on them. It's a complete retail product, and we started selling it a little while ago once the prototype was done and we starting ordering everything for retail production. You add a cooler, plug in a power supply, and start mining with it. There's no explicit dates involved with these, though as some point we'll run out of Batch 1 boards (the stock on the store will go to 0) and we'll start selling boards that will be produced in Batch 2.

We do offer assembly services where if you have your own HashFast chips we'll build them into Habaneros as well, just contact us at peppermining@gmail.com to discuss that. That's not listed on the website, though I'll try to get it added today so that it's explicit that there is a difference between the two.

Again, I believe the comment by gateway was just a bit of confusion on our end. We still have some unsold B1 boards and we'll let you know when all the B1 ones are gone, although we don't expect a large gap between the first and second runs.

Many thank MrTeal

So when ever you or your team uses word "BOARD" it's board with chip. You will never refer to "BOARD" as a board without the chip ?

Maybe boundle or miner will be less confusing for us non native English speakers

May I ask you one thing ?

You are selling pre-orders for a board with chip. Do you have chips in your hand ?

Thank you

[MrTeal]

There gonna be another batch w/ chips?

I am confused, why is it still for sale on ur site if cant get board + chips anymore?
Or is both chips + board assembled still avail for purchase @ 1100...

What we're selling on the website is just a full board, add a cooler and power supply and you're good to go. We still have some of those available from batch one. We're also looking at a second batch following a little more than a week behind.
The assembly service is a little more complicated to set up since we need to have a good conversation with the customers about timelines, whether chips are in hand, getting them to us in time, things like that. That cutoff has past so customers with chips in hand would get taken care of in the second batch now.

Call me completely confused or even stupid

What is advertised on your web page ?

Retail, private, corporate, local or international, single or multi ?

For us foreigners it's hard to get what is going on. I'm checking this thread every day and yesterday someone from your team declared that it is too late to purchase board with chip on it.
This board with chip was never I mean never for sale yet  So when did you manage to sell them ? Is there another site ?

Are you selling boards ?
Are you selling chips ?
Are you selling board and chip unmounted ?
Are you selling board and chip mounted ?
Does the "board" mean with chip or without chip ?

I'm personally completely lost

We're selling boards with chips on them. It's a complete retail product, and we started selling it a little while ago once the prototype was done and we starting ordering everything for retail production. You add a cooler, plug in a power supply, and start mining with it. There's no explicit dates involved with these, though as some point we'll run out of Batch 1 boards (the stock on the store will go to 0) and we'll start selling boards that will be produced in Batch 2.

We do offer assembly services where if you have your own HashFast chips we'll build them into Habaneros as well, just contact us at peppermining@gmail.com to discuss that. That's not listed on the website, though I'll try to get it added today so that it's explicit that there is a difference between the two.

Again, I believe the comment by gateway was just a bit of confusion on our end. We still have some unsold B1 boards and we'll let you know when all the B1 ones are gone, although we don't expect a large gap between the first and second runs.

Many thank MrTeal

So when ever you or your team uses word "BOARD" it's board with chip. You will never refer to "BOARD" as a board without the chip ?

Maybe boundle or miner will be less confusing for us non native English speakers

May I ask you one thing ?

You are selling pre-orders for a board with chip. Do you have chips in your hand ?

Thank you

LOL... I can't guarantee that, but I'll try. Sometimes I'll even refer to the blank PCBs as "boards"

On the chips, we used to have them in hand. Technically we don't anymore, as they're at the assembly house being prepared and baked (a lot of surface mount components and the PCBs will get heated prior to assembly to evaporate any absorbed moisture). I'll be flying down on Monday to oversee the start of production and will be flying home Thursday, so I will be there for the initial production bringup.

[SVK]

There gonna be another batch w/ chips?

I am confused, why is it still for sale on ur site if cant get board + chips anymore?
Or is both chips + board assembled still avail for purchase @ 1100...

What we're selling on the website is just a full board, add a cooler and power supply and you're good to go. We still have some of those available from batch one. We're also looking at a second batch following a little more than a week behind.
The assembly service is a little more complicated to set up since we need to have a good conversation with the customers about timelines, whether chips are in hand, getting them to us in time, things like that. That cutoff has past so customers with chips in hand would get taken care of in the second batch now.

Call me completely confused or even stupid

What is advertised on your web page ?

Retail, private, corporate, local or international, single or multi ?

For us foreigners it's hard to get what is going on. I'm checking this thread every day and yesterday someone from your team declared that it is too late to purchase board with chip on it.
This board with chip was never I mean never for sale yet  So when did you manage to sell them ? Is there another site ?

Are you selling boards ?
Are you selling chips ?
Are you selling board and chip unmounted ?
Are you selling board and chip mounted ?
Does the "board" mean with chip or without chip ?

I'm personally completely lost

We're selling boards with chips on them. It's a complete retail product, and we started selling it a little while ago once the prototype was done and we starting ordering everything for retail production. You add a cooler, plug in a power supply, and start mining with it. There's no explicit dates involved with these, though as some point we'll run out of Batch 1 boards (the stock on the store will go to 0) and we'll start selling boards that will be produced in Batch 2.

We do offer assembly services where if you have your own HashFast chips we'll build them into Habaneros as well, just contact us at peppermining@gmail.com to discuss that. That's not listed on the website, though I'll try to get it added today so that it's explicit that there is a difference between the two.

Again, I believe the comment by gateway was just a bit of confusion on our end. We still have some unsold B1 boards and we'll let you know when all the B1 ones are gone, although we don't expect a large gap between the first and second runs.

Many thank MrTeal

So when ever you or your team uses word "BOARD" it's board with chip. You will never refer to "BOARD" as a board without the chip ?

Maybe boundle or miner will be less confusing for us non native English speakers

May I ask you one thing ?

You are selling pre-orders for a board with chip. Do you have chips in your hand ?

Thank you

LOL... I can't guarantee that, but I'll try. Sometimes I'll even refer to the blank PCBs as "boards"

On the chips, we used to have them in hand. Technically we don't anymore, as they're at the assembly house being prepared and baked (a lot of surface mount components and the PCBs will get heated prior to assembly to evaporate any absorbed moisture). I'll be flying down on Monday to oversee the start of production and will be flying home Thursday, so I will be there for the initial production bringup.

Why you didn't say that 

I thought that pre-order means that you are just collecting money to buy chips from hash last.
So you have already received chips and are in your ownership ?



That would change my position then

[nexus99]

The complete board + chips are about to go into production. Which will result in a finished product in a week or 2? Its a pre order in the sense that you have to wait 2 weeks for delivery. Not in the sense they there is not yet a product.

[nexus99]

Probably time to think about ordering PSU and cooling equipment.

[eightcylinders]

Mr. Teal,

Can you provide:

(1) a table or graph showing hash rate x power consumption x clock speed (for your board, not the chip).

(2) a picture of the back of the board showing the back side heatsink and dimensions of the board and heatsink together? 

Thanks!

Interested, but I really need an answer on this...

[MrTeal]

Why you didn't say that 

I thought that pre-order means that you are just collecting money to buy chips from hash last.
So you have already received chips and are in your ownership ?

That would change my position then

The complete board + chips are about to go into production. Which will result in a finished product in a week or 2? Its a pre order in the sense that you have to wait 2 weeks for delivery. Not in the sense they there is not yet a product.

Timelines that are of course subject to change (this is Bitcoin after all, you'd better believe I got the extra flight change insurance on my tickets), but from the word I'm getting is that they will run the bottom sides Monday, and we'll get the first articles on Tuesday afternoon for verification. After that, it will be full production of the board. I'm not sure when they'll all get through test, but I would guess shortly after Memorial Day if nothing seriously goes wrong.

[MrTeal]

Mr. Teal,

Can you provide:

(1) a table or graph showing hash rate x power consumption x clock speed (for your board, not the chip).

(2) a picture of the back of the board showing the back side heatsink and dimensions of the board and heatsink together? 

Thanks!

Interested, but I really need an answer on this...

It's on my To-Do list for this weekend. We have a new tool that uses a known dataset to benchmark the boards, so we should be able to generate these numbers more reliably and quickly that sticking it at Eligius and waiting to see the data come in.

[SVK]

Why you didn't say that 

I thought that pre-order means that you are just collecting money to buy chips from hash last.
So you have already received chips and are in your ownership ?

That would change my position then

The complete board + chips are about to go into production. Which will result in a finished product in a week or 2? Its a pre order in the sense that you have to wait 2 weeks for delivery. Not in the sense they there is not yet a product.

Timelines that are of course subject to change (this is Bitcoin after all, you'd better believe I got the extra flight change insurance on my tickets), but from the word I'm getting is that they will run the bottom sides Monday, and we'll get the first articles on Tuesday afternoon for verification. After that, it will be full production of the board. I'm not sure when they'll all get through test, but I would guess shortly after Memorial Day if nothing seriously goes wrong.

So you have already received chips and are in your ownership ?

[MrTeal]

Why you didn't say that 

I thought that pre-order means that you are just collecting money to buy chips from hash last.
So you have already received chips and are in your ownership ?

That would change my position then

The complete board + chips are about to go into production. Which will result in a finished product in a week or 2? Its a pre order in the sense that you have to wait 2 weeks for delivery. Not in the sense they there is not yet a product.

Timelines that are of course subject to change (this is Bitcoin after all, you'd better believe I got the extra flight change insurance on my tickets), but from the word I'm getting is that they will run the bottom sides Monday, and we'll get the first articles on Tuesday afternoon for verification. After that, it will be full production of the board. I'm not sure when they'll all get through test, but I would guess shortly after Memorial Day if nothing seriously goes wrong.

So you have already received chips and are in your ownership ?

Yes, we've received them and they are at the assembly house.

[gateway]

BTW after a board count (boards+chips) we have some extras for sale for batch 1 if you still want in.

Cheers..

[SVK]

BTW after a board count (boards+chips) we have some extras for sale for batch 1 if you still want in.

Cheers..

That's what I'm trying to do but wanted to know if chips are already in your possession.

Paid 

[Swimmer63]

Can one of the Project leads compare the Habanero board to the new Virtual Mining Corp. board, the Fast Hash One Gold Rush.
I would like to know why your's is better.  (serious inquiry)

[Taugeran]

Can one of the Project leads compare the Habanero board to the new Virtual Mining Corp. board, the Fast Hash One Gold Rush.
I would like to know why your's is better.  (serious inquiry)

Cuz it's mrTeal

[Swimmer63]

Can one of the Project leads compare the Habanero board to the new Virtual Mining Corp. board, the Fast Hash One Gold Rush.
I would like to know why your's is better.  (serious inquiry)

Cuz it's mrTeal

Very helpful.

[daemonfox]

Can one of the Project leads compare the Habanero board to the new Virtual Mining Corp. board, the Fast Hash One Gold Rush.
I would like to know why your's is better.  (serious inquiry)

Cuz it's mrTeal

Very helpful.

If you were familiar with the Chili then you do not need a side by side... MrTeal builds the best boards available.

[dropt]

Can one of the Project leads compare the Habanero board to the new Virtual Mining Corp. board, the Fast Hash One Gold Rush.
I would like to know why your's is better.  (serious inquiry)

Cuz it's mrTeal

Very helpful.

If you were familiar with the Chili then you do not need a side by side... MrTeal builds the best boards available.

And what makes them "the best"?  I'm not saying they're not, but perhaps some real reasons may be a little more helpful in convin ing someone to pay $1100 for a Mr.Teal board instead of $900 for a VMC knockoff. 

[MrTeal]

Mr. Teal,

Can you provide:

(1) a table or graph showing hash rate x power consumption x clock speed (for your board, not the chip).

(2) a picture of the back of the board showing the back side heatsink and dimensions of the board and heatsink together?  

Thanks!

Interested, but I really need an answer on this...

Frequency	Hashrate	Voltage Setpoint	Board Power (W[DC])	Efficiency (J/GH)
925	704	0.97	783.0	1.11
900	685	0.95	727.9	1.06
875	666	0.935	682.5	1.02
850	647	0.92	636.0	0.98
825	628	0.91	598.4	0.95
800	609	0.89	559.1	0.92
775	589	0.88	528.8	0.90
750	570	0.87	498.7	0.87

Test notes
-Single board prototype tested, not a production unit
-Power measurements are DC at the board input
-Coarse-grained voltage optimization was used, no attempt to individually optimize each die was made

For the picture of the board with the heatsink, I can't provide that yet. Next week.

[MrTeal]

Can one of the Project leads compare the Habanero board to the new Virtual Mining Corp. board, the Fast Hash One Gold Rush.
I would like to know why your's is better.  (serious inquiry)

Well, the VMC board is the Evo board.

There are a few software improvements that we're porting from the Chilis such as having the ability to auto clock the voltage and frequency to max out your thermal headroom. This is probably even more important with these boards since they tend to be thermally limited more than anything.

Hardware wise, most apparent difference other than the board being slightly larger will be our addition of a custom backplate to both sink heat from the VRMs and board in general as well as to support the chip. Make no mistake about it, dissipating 600W from a chip isn't easy, and you need a lot of pressure to get good enough contact to do that. The stock backplate that ships with most cpu coolers isn't up to the task of preventing board flex in really high pressure installs and you will get board warp. Our backplate bears right on the PCB under the chip to support it with minimal flex. The added bonus is that at high hashrates even an efficient VRM needs cooling. Having a heatsink added helps reduce the amount of air you need to move to do so, increasing efficiency.

Outside that, there's the intangibles. We'll be burning these in long enough to test that they function as expected, and then shipping them. They're not pulls from a personal farm and you don't have to hope that we're pulling a random one instead of just pulling a weak performer and sending it to you. Then there's customer service; we do screw up and miss an email or message now and then but our primary focus is on making, selling and shipping boards. We're not going to sit on our "in stock" boards for two+ weeks before shipping them because we're too busy trying to figure out how to run a mining farm. I won't lie on the specs; while we quote the DC power of the board since we're selling raw boards and the wall power will be installation dependent, those are measured results. We say 650GH/s because we're confident that given proper cooling the boards will all get there. This isn't authoritative as I've only had a few samples, but I think even 700 should be achievable for most people with good cooling. However 750GH/s will probably be very hit or miss, and 750GH/s at 0.833J/GH is a blatant lie.

[VinceSamios]

Can one of the Project leads compare the Habanero board to the new Virtual Mining Corp. board, the Fast Hash One Gold Rush.
I would like to know why your's is better.  (serious inquiry)

Hardware wise, most apparent difference other than the board being slightly larger will be our addition of a custom backplate to both sink heat from the VRMs and board in general as well as to support the chip.

Ignore the crazyass aircooler, but the aluminium block is provided with the VMC board AFAIK. Is the Habanero's block similar or what are the differences?