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August 27, 2023, 05:23:50 PM
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That shoudl work for me.  It's labor day weekend so we can draft on our phones right?  I don't normally play in the espn games but I'm pretty sure it's mobile ready.  I still have to pay and will get on it tonight.  This is always the hard part, rounding up people who are all open for an hour or 2 to draft. 

Yahoo league dude. Tongue

Don't know if they have a mobile app or not?

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just to say i'm available at any time...


by the way, what are we doing with the draft order, random at the start of the draft or something else? Last year it was hashes...

https://100yardrush.com/

^ pretty fun way to do it as well...



Haha, tested it out and Jacobs won! Smiley

I think using hashes is the best way to assure a fair order and its worked fine so far.

If it's Sunday the 3rd I could probably not do it after 3-4 PM EST. On Monday, and any day after that really, I'd be able to do it more or less at any time. I won't be home on Sept. 2-3 that's why it's a bit tricky.


OK, Lets see if anyone has an issue making it DRAFT DAY SEPT 3RD @ 3:00PM EST.


Speak up if this does not work for you,

I'll pm everyone to make sure they get notified.


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Hhampuz          https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5224503.msg62754803#msg62754803
morvillz7z         https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5224503.msg62756063#msg62756063
wheelz1200      https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5224503.msg62757197#msg62757197
DireWolfM14     https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5224503.msg62754447#msg62754447
yahoo62278     https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5224503.msg62753846#msg62753846

Yes I am okay with this new schedule.

When do we begin the lottery for the draft order? I am very excited about this. I also have learned that being no.1 in the draft order is not very good. It was very boring for me because I wait for more turns before it becomes my turn hehehee.

In any case, gameboy cluster compute has generated my cheatsheet already, only minor adjustments left.

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August 28, 2023, 02:45:51 AM
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That shoudl work for me.  It's labor day weekend so we can draft on our phones right?  I don't normally play in the espn games but I'm pretty sure it's mobile ready.  I still have to pay and will get on it tonight.  This is always the hard part, rounding up people who are all open for an hour or 2 to draft. 

Yahoo league dude. Tongue

Don't know if they have a mobile app or not?

https://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f1/373233
I have yahoo fantasy on my phone and can draft from there I believe. I can view the league for sure. All you have to do is download the app and login to our league or the email associated with your yahoo fantasy.


just to say i'm available at any time...


by the way, what are we doing with the draft order, random at the start of the draft or something else? Last year it was hashes...

https://100yardrush.com/

^ pretty fun way to do it as well...



Haha, tested it out and Jacobs won! Smiley

I think using hashes is the best way to assure a fair order and its worked fine so far.

If it's Sunday the 3rd I could probably not do it after 3-4 PM EST. On Monday, and any day after that really, I'd be able to do it more or less at any time. I won't be home on Sept. 2-3 that's why it's a bit tricky.


OK, Lets see if anyone has an issue making it DRAFT DAY SEPT 3RD @ 3:00PM EST.


Speak up if this does not work for you,

I'll pm everyone to make sure they get notified.


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Hhampuz          https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5224503.msg62754803#msg62754803
morvillz7z         https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5224503.msg62756063#msg62756063
wheelz1200      https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5224503.msg62757197#msg62757197
DireWolfM14     https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5224503.msg62754447#msg62754447
yahoo62278     https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5224503.msg62753846#msg62753846

Yes I am okay with this new schedule.

When do we begin the lottery for the draft order? I am very excited about this. I also have learned that being no.1 in the draft order is not very good. It was very boring for me because I wait for more turns before it becomes my turn hehehee.

In any case, gameboy cluster compute has generated my cheatsheet already, only minor adjustments left.
I think you have the same wait in between every pick wouldn't you?

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August 28, 2023, 03:52:48 AM
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@yahoo62278. It was a snake draft order. If you are no.1 in the order like me in our draft last year, I had a good opportunity to draft first, however, I would have to wait from no.2 to no.10 then from no.10 to no.2 before it would be my turn again. It was making me very anxious because much of the players I queued were being drafted by others and I had to wait 18 more turns before my turn hehehehe. I want to be on slot 5-7 this year.

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OK so nutildah can't make that time so I've asked him to see if he and Hhampuz can come up with a time and then we can see if that works for what looks like most of us can be available for.



@yahoo62278 Yeah, we have been using snake draft, I think everyone was happy with that last year.


@bbc.reporter Your number one overall of CMC draft was stellar last year, only you could dodge the consensus number one trap of Jonathan Taylor last year!

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I can make most times work, especially if it's on weekend.  This coming Sunday, September 3rd I do have a draft at 6pm central (5pm New York time), so a 3pm time frame would be perfect, but I'm fine it we needed to do it a bit later or earlier in the day. 

I can't believe we are just about one week out from the kick off to the year.  I'm looking forward to opening game of Chiefs vs Lions..should be interesting !!

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Last edit: August 31, 2023, 08:46:10 PM by Hueristic
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OK, I think we are going to have to put a timeframe on setting our draft time.

I'm sure most of us need to know at least a few days ahead of time when the draft will be so as to set our schedules not to conflict with other drafts and RL shit.

So I think I will have to give a cutoff time for discussion of Wed and have a last and FINAL vote on thurs if we don't have a consensus before then.

We are currently waiting on nutildah and Hhampuz to figure a out a timeframe they can both make and give that to us to verify we can all make that range.

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OK, I went back and reread all the posts and started applying peoples votes but found it became unwieldy as some of the discussions changed the questions and I didn't feel the people that voted should be locked in to their votes and rather than make a whole discussion over each change here are the current questions and everyone can vote again.

* denotes last years setting

1) South Park: Should we change the playoff format?
And let 6 teams to move to the playoffs with the top two teams getting a BYE or maybe expand it to 8 teams as some may not like not playing their teams on

the most important part of the season?

Playoff spots:

a)4 *

b)6

c)8


2)DireWolfM14:What do you guys think of having two payouts?  I was thinking the second place team gets double the entry fee, and winner takes the rest.  

Payout places
a)1*

b)2*

c)3

d)MORE

*note 1st place was split last year as the death on the field cancelled a game with league players original was winner take all



3)morvillz7z: replace kicker with a flex spot  

a) yes

b) no*

C) don't care/abstain





4) OK now on the waiver method, due to the choices being multifaceted it can become complicated to vote for one.

So I think what we can do is break it down and vote multiple times on the method to choose.

OK if that was not clear this is an example of what I am saying.

We will vote on whether to use reverse order or continuous rolling or a mix of the two (hybrid). If we choose reverse order then there are 2 different choices of that (I will explain that if that is our choice before the next vote) and if we do hybrid then obviously those 2 choices also come into play. So we will not need a second vote only if continuous rolling is chosen.

Now correct me if i'm wrong but I think 2 years ago we used reverse order and last year we used continuous rolling.

NOW a Hybrid just means that we can use both.

I will change the method depending on what we decide.

For instance my choice would be to use Reverse for the beginning of the league (like first 5 weeks) and then change to continuous rolling for the remainder of the league.

My argument for this is that if you draft horrible then the first 5 weeks you can get good waiver picks and make a decent team BUT after 5 weeks it will not hurt good teams that get injured players by pushing them down to the bottom of the waiver list every week which I believe is unfair.

So the current voting options are.

a)reverse order

b)continuous rolling

c)Hybrid *Yahoo removed this option by making waiver settings changeable only pre draft now

d) don't care/abstain


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My votes:
1)a

I feel more than 4 teams in the playoffs will add to the luck factor as 6 would add 2 buys and 8 is just far to many.

2)c

I think 3 payouts would be decent  as I used to run pool tourneys for years and 3 is a good number when you have over 10 participants and a split of 70%, 20%, 10% is a fair distribution.

3)b

I really don't care to much on kickers but would like to point out that with 12 teams if we add another flex spot then the waiver wire will be brutal. Hmm, now that I think of it I think removing kickers all together would be a better choice then making it a flex spot. So I just changed my vote from abstain to no.

4) not sure atm will have to think on it.

I want to see this league stay fun so I will vote in any way that I think will go to that end therefore I will vote for the hybrid which should help poorly drafted teams in the beginning but keep the league competitive for the rest of the season.



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ALSO a reminder dues must be paid.


And if I made any errors in this let me know guys, i'm getting dumber every year. Smiley

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7pm Monday was what we discussed in discord, if that works for everyone else?

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7pm Monday was what we discussed in discord, if that works for everyone else?

EST???

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7pm Monday was what we discussed in discord, if that works for everyone else?

EST???

I believe so, yeah.

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My votes:

RULES CHANGES:
Playoff spots:
b)6

Payout places
b)2*

replace kicker with a flex spot  
b) no*

waiver method
a)reverse order



7pm Monday was what we discussed in discord, if that works for everyone else?

EST???

I believe so, yeah.

Fine with me.
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I have tonget into that discord.  Yeah I'm fine with Monday at 7p est too is that full up what's been decided, that's way better than Sunday at 3pm.  Labor day party and trying to not be "that guy" lol.  Although it's fantasy football some people would get it Smiley

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August 29, 2023, 09:52:55 PM
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To me any time and any date is fine really, so as long as you come up with the definitive time I will be there drafting with all of you.

My votes.
Playoff spots: 6
Payout spots: 2
Replace kicker: no
Waiver order: reverse order

And about the hash lottery I think that until we can confirm the participation of everyone we should not go through it as there is still a free spot on the league, however if there are no objections I am willing to do the hash lottery but I want to propose a small change.

During the first hash lottery only 12 blocks were needed to determine the draft order, but the second time around it took morvillz7z 7 hours and 44 blocks for the spots to given, this was because we went from having two tickets each to only having one, so taking into account the increase on the number of participants it could take 100 blocks or more before all the spots are given, so in order to avoid this I propose the next.

Supposing that everyone confirms their participation and the tickets were given according to this order:

Code:
Hueristic - payment received
suchmoon - payment received
wheelz1200
nutildah - payment received
yahoo62278 - payment received
bbc.reporter - payment received
South Park - payment received
Hhampuz - payment received
ChiBitCTy - payment received
morvillz7z - payment received
DireWolfM14 - payment received
seek3r

Then these will be the tickets for the hash lottery:

0. Hueristic
1. suchmoon
2. wheelz1200
3. nutildah
4. yahoo62278
5. bbc.reporter
6. South Park
7. Hhampuz
8. ChiBitCTy
9. morvillz7z
A. DireWolfM14
B. seek3r
C. NA
D. NA
E. NA
F. NA

And assuming that block 805624 was selected as the block when the hash lottery will begin then these will be the results of the mock hash lottery:

805264      D   NA* This will be important later on as I will use it as an example.
805265      A   DireWolfM14
805266      D   NA
805267      0   Hueristic
805268      6   South Park
805269      8   ChiBitCTy

805270      A   NA** DireWolfM14 does not receive a second pick here obviously
805271      6   NA
805272      7   Hhampuz
805273      9   morvillz7z
805274      E   NA
805275      E   NA
805276      4   yahoo62278
805277      0   NA
805278      4   NA
805279      A   NA

805280      6   NA
805281      1   suchmoon

Now so far the mock hash lottery has progressed in the same way as on the previous years, so far 8th picks have been selected on 18 blocks, but from this moment on things will get harder and we could easily get to 100 blocks before the last draft positions are determined, but this is where I propose a change, I propose that from the 9th pick and up the tickets C, D, E and F are given to the players which have not received a draft position on ascending order.

So the tickets will go from this:

2. wheelz1200
3. nutildah
5. bbc.reporter
B. seek3r

To this:

2 and C. wheelz1200
3 and D. nutildah
5 and E. bbc.reporter
B and F. seek3r

Now does this means that nutildah as the owner of the D ticket can get the first pick of the draft? No, as this ticket did not belong to them at the time and it can only be used to determine the draft position of the 9th pick and up.

Now lets continue with our mock hash lottery.

805282      6   NA
805283      2   wheelz1200
805284      0   NA
805285      F   seek3r
805286      B   NA
805287      C   NA
805288      D   nutildah
805288      D   bbc.reporter***

***The last block determined the last two spots.

So the results of the mock draft will be as follows after 25 blocks:

01. DireWolfM14
02. Hueristic
03. South Park
04. ChiBitCTy
05. Hhampuz
06. morvillz7z
07. yahoo62278
08. suchmoon
09. wheelz1200
10. seek3r
11. nutildah
12. bbc.reporter

So with this little change despite having two more players we could get all the draft positions sorted with a little bit more than half of the blocks that it took to do the same last year.

I hope to listen to your opinions about this possible change.

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August 29, 2023, 10:09:15 PM
 #3834

1)playoff format?
b)6

2)payouts?
a)1*


3)replace kicker
a)yes


4)waiver method
a)reverse order

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draft date/time

Monday, September 4th, 7 p.m. EST

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August 29, 2023, 10:41:02 PM
 #3835

Playoff spots:
b) 4

Payout places
b) 2

replace kicker with a flex spot 
b) no

waiver method
a) reverse order of standings

7pm EST on Monday the 4th works for me.

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August 29, 2023, 11:13:40 PM
 #3836

And about the hash lottery I think that until we can confirm the participation of everyone we should not go through it as there is still a free spot on the league, however if there are no objections I am willing to do the hash lottery but I want to propose a small change.

[...]


Fine with me. I'm no mathematician but it seems like this wouldn't screw up anyone's chances.
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Last edit: August 30, 2023, 12:29:29 AM by Hueristic
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OK, PMing everyone also announced in discord and will be emailed through league that Monday, September 4th, 7 p.m. EST will be Draft date unless they Veto it by Wed.



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August 30, 2023, 12:31:43 AM
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And about the hash lottery I think that until we can confirm the participation of everyone we should not go through it as there is still a free spot on the league, however if there are no objections I am willing to do the hash lottery but I want to propose a small change.

During the first hash lottery only 12 blocks were needed to determine the draft order, but the second time around it took morvillz7z 7 hours and 44 blocks for the spots to given, this was because we went from having two tickets each to only having one, so taking into account the increase on the number of participants it could take 100 blocks or more before all the spots are given, so in order to avoid this I propose the next.

Supposing that everyone confirms their participation and the tickets were given according to this order:

Hueristic - payment received
suchmoon - payment received
wheelz1200
nutildah - payment received
yahoo62278 - payment received
bbc.reporter - payment received
South Park - payment received
Hhampuz - payment received
ChiBitCTy - payment received
morvillz7z - payment received
DireWolfM14 - payment received
seek3r


Then these will be the tickets for the hash lottery:

0. Hueristic
1. suchmoon
2. wheelz1200
3. nutildah
4. yahoo62278
5. bbc.reporter
6. South Park
7. Hhampuz
8. ChiBitCTy
9. morvillz7z
A. DireWolfM14
B. seek3r
C. NA
D. NA
E. NA
F. NA

And assuming that block 805624 was selected as the block when the hash lottery will begin then these will be the results of the mock hash lottery:

805264      D   NA* This will be important later on as I will use it as an example.
805265      A   DireWolfM14
805266      D   NA
805267      0   Hueristic
805268      6   South Park
805269      8   ChiBitCTy

805270      A   NA** DireWolfM14 does not receive a second pick here obviously
805271      6   NA
805272      7   Hhampuz
805273      9   morvillz7z
805274      E   NA
805275      E   NA
805276      4   yahoo62278
805277      0   NA
805278      4   NA
805279      A   NA

805280      6   NA
805281      1   suchmoon

Now so far the mock hash lottery has progressed in the same way as on the previous years, so far 8th picks have been selected on 18 blocks, but from this moment on things will get harder and we could easily get to 100 blocks before the last draft positions are determined, but this is where I propose a change, I propose that from the 9th pick and up the tickets C, D, E and F are given to the players which have not received a draft position on ascending order.

So the tickets will go from this:

2. wheelz1200
3. nutildah
5. bbc.reporter
B. seek3r

To this:

2 and C. wheelz1200
3 and D. nutildah
5 and E. bbc.reporter
B and F. seek3r

Now does this means that nutildah as the owner of the D ticket can get the first pick of the draft? No, as this ticket did not belong to them at the time and it can only be used to determine the draft position of the 9th pick and up.

Now lets continue with our mock hash lottery.

805282      6   NA
805283      2   wheelz1200
805284      0   NA
805285      F   seek3r
805286      B   NA
805287      C   NA
805288      D   nutildah
805288      D   bbc.reporter***

***The last block determined the last two spots.

So the results of the mock draft will be as follows after 25 blocks:

01. DireWolfM14
02. Hueristic
03. South Park
04. ChiBitCTy
05. Hhampuz
06. morvillz7z
07. yahoo62278
08. suchmoon
09. wheelz1200
10. seek3r
11. nutildah
12. bbc.reporter

So with this little change despite having two more players we could get all the draft positions sorted with a little bit more than half of the blocks that it took to do the same last year.

I hope to listen to your opinions about this possible change.[/size]



This looks like its overly complicated when in order to keep it simple all we have to do is use a blocks hash as a seed in a randomizer.

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August 30, 2023, 02:47:53 AM
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OK, I think we are going to have to put a timeframe on setting our draft time.

I'm sure most of us need to know at least a few days ahead of time when the draft will be so as to set our schedules not to conflict with other drafts and RL shit.

So I think I will have to give a cutoff time for discussion of Wed and have a last and FINAL vote on thurs if we don't have a consensus before then.

We are currently waiting on nutildah and Hhampuz to figure a out a timeframe they can both make and give that to us to verify we can all make that range.

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OK, I went back and reread all the posts and started applying peoples votes but found it became unwieldy as some of the discussions changed the questions and I didn't feel the people that voted should be locked in to their votes and rather than make a whole discussion over each change here are the current questions and everyone can vote again.

* denotes last years setting

1) South Park: Should we change the playoff format?
And let 6 teams to move to the playoffs with the top two teams getting a BYE or maybe expand it to 8 teams as some may not like not playing their teams on

the most important part of the season?

Playoff spots:

a)4 *

b)6

c)8


2)DireWolfM14:What do you guys think of having two payouts?  I was thinking the second place team gets double the entry fee, and winner takes the rest.  

Payout places
a)1*

b)2*

c)3

d)MORE

*note 1st place was split last year as the death on the field cancelled a game with league players original was winner take all



3)morvillz7z: replace kicker with a flex spot  

a) yes

b) no*

C) don't care/abstain





4) OK now on the waiver method, due to the choices being multifaceted it can become complicated to vote for one.

So I think what we can do is break it down and vote multiple times on the method to choose.

OK if that was not clear this is an example of what I am saying.

We will vote on whether to use reverse order or continuous rolling or a mix of the two (hybrid). If we choose reverse order then there are 2 different choices of that (I will explain that if that is our choice before the next vote) and if we do hybrid then obviously those 2 choices also come into play. So we will not need a second vote only if continuous rolling is chosen.

Now correct me if i'm wrong but I think 2 years ago we used reverse order and last year we used continuous rolling.

NOW a Hybrid just means that we can use both.

I will change the method depending on what we decide.

For instance my choice would be to use Reverse for the beginning of the league (like first 5 weeks) and then change to continuous rolling for the remainder of the league.

My argument for this is that if you draft horrible then the first 5 weeks you can get good waiver picks and make a decent team BUT after 5 weeks it will not hurt good teams that get injured players by pushing them down to the bottom of the waiver list every week which I believe is unfair.

So the current voting options are.

a)reverse order

b)continuous rolling

c)Hybrid

d) don't care/abstain

My votes are

1) Playoff spots, 4.
2) Payout spots, 1 is okay, however, if most of you want 2, also okay.
3) Replace kicker with flex, no. I like to play similar to our team format last year.
4) Waiver method, okay to hybrid. Reverse and continuous order did not have a difference for me hehehehe. I still lose.

OK, PMing everyone also announced in discord and will be emailed through league that Monday, September 4th, 7 p.m. EST will be Draft date unless they Veto it by Wed.




Can I make a request to start it either 2 hours before or 2 hours after of 7pm?

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August 30, 2023, 03:19:58 AM
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Can I make a request to start it either 2 hours before or 2 hours after of 7pm?

Check with Hhampuz and Nutildah, and see if they can adjust, I am going to guess not as they are both like 12 hours out from each other so that is where they can both make it.

So only force a change if you really have to.

“Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing.”
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