Do you verify every bet as a gambler? Provably Fair Guide.

[acener]

Nope I don't verify every bets as a gambler I just enjoy every round as much as I could.
Besides I only play on trusted and well known gambling sites I don't want to play on new sites that doesn't have much info or player.

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[Russlenat]

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Wanna read more about provably fair? Check this article on BTCGosu: https://www.btcgosu.com/provably-fair/

Thanks for sharing, worth a read. 

Nope I don't verify every bets as a gambler I just enjoy every round as much as I could.
Besides I only play on trusted and well known gambling sites I don't want to play on new sites that doesn't have much info or player.

Verifying if the games are Provably Fair is very important, but I don't really do that all the time or every time I bet, one verification is enough for me, as long as the site is reputable, I believe they would not do stupid things that could harm their reputation.

[tippytoes]

Nope I don't verify every bets as a gambler I just enjoy every round as much as I could.
Besides I only play on trusted and well known gambling sites I don't want to play on new sites that doesn't have much info or player.

I only verify one or 2 bets in new casinos. But if I am playing with known casino here, I don't usually check the provably fairness because in my mind, if they are screwing players, then it should have been exposed already by veteran players. But in any case, this thread is very useful to gamblers if they want to check the validity of the provably fairness system of the casino. I'll be bookmarking this topic on my end. Thanks much!

[Lordhermes]

Nope I don't verify every bets as a gambler I just enjoy every round as much as I could.
Besides I only play on trusted and well known gambling sites I don't want to play on new sites that doesn't have much info or player.

Verily, I have never verify a specific gambled bets before, to me especially, I just only enjoy playing bets as long as the site is a legit one without bothering and caring to check the fairness of the bets. However, it's a better thing to practice what op is really talking about to observe a successful end on our bets. Thanks op for sharing this with us.

[CarnagexD]

Most people like living off the edge thinking that a single varifier cannot dictate their winnings or losses when it can literally save you from unfair losses rigged by the server and the gambling site itself. Casinos do that thing where they check every game before letting people play it, why has it all of a sudden become "inconvenient" for you guys to verify the credibility of your bets.

[just_Alice]

I'm not believing in to probably fair system because in real life there are less possibility for continue losing streak but in almost all the to gambling houses continue losing streaks are happening most commonly. This makes we need much more improvements/developments to fine-tune so that those provably fair mechanism will be actually fair for all of us.

Honestly I'm not familiar with SHA algorithms and hashing or unhashing things which makes me unable to verify my betting.
I believe gambling houses must work on simplifying these things so that even non-computer literature people also will be able to verify them with just one click.

If you don't believe in provably fair - you probably don't understand it. This system is, perhaps, the only thing that can actually verify that a certain gambling website isn't a scam. When online casinos first started appearing lots of them were scams and back then it would be wiser to trust real-life casinos over virtual ones. But now it's quite the opposite, thanks to provably fair.

I'll try to explain it as I understand it and make it as simple as possible. Imagine that you're playing a game where you, say, have to guess a word, you tell what's your guess to a certain person and he'll then tell you if your guess is right or wrong. But how do you know if he isn't lying? In order to prove his fairness, he's holding a tablet with the encrypted right answer and, let's say, there's a certain encryption algorithm named "HAAA" that encrypts letters in numbers. And then, for instance, the word is GRASS and after performing the "HAAA" encryption you only see a set of numbers. Let's say, the following equivalents are designed within the algorithm: G is 8, R - 2, A - 4, S - 9, so what you see on the tablet is 82499 - the result of encryption. But the example I gave you is very simple and one might think that anyone can get the right answer from the numbers, but here's the coolest and very important thing about SHA256 - it only hashes one-way: you can encrypt with it, but you can't decrypt. So, what you need to do next is to go to a trusted third party that does encryptions and ask them to encrypt the word GRASS with the "HAAA" algorithm and see if they get you the set of numbers that was on the tablet. If the numbers are the same (82499 in this case) - it proves that the word was GRASS.
That's about it, hope you'll believe it now

[FinneysTrueVision]

I don't verify every single bet because that would be too time consuming. If a website isn't transparent and doesn't make it easy to verify then I do go out of my way to verify as many rolls as I can to see if I am being cheated. Sometimes you can find mistakes and sometimes you can see that some sites are outright scamming. One time FreeBitco.in had a mistake in their lambo drawing and had to redo it after it was discovered. A site that many people believe is scamming would be Coinpot which if you go through recent posts in their unofficial Bitcointalk thread you will see that people are saying that the results shown on the website don't match the provably fair formula.

[magneto]

Unfortunately, most people still don't do this. I'm guilty of it too.

Is it at all possible to create a script that runs in the background as a provably fair checker for every bet automatically? Perhaps a Chrome extension would have a wider reach and help more people verify their bets than a site where you'd have to manually copy over your seeds.

It might sound paranoid but I think it's worth it to protect ourselves. Who knows if a casino has gone rogue at any point.

[matchi2011]

Most people like living off the edge thinking that a single varifier cannot dictate their winnings or losses when it can literally save you from unfair losses rigged by the server and the gambling site itself. Casinos do that thing where they check every game before letting people play it, why has it all of a sudden become "inconvenient" for you guys to verify the credibility of your bets.

Casinos needs to make sure that each bets are fairly being executed as they wanted to assure gamblers thier credibilities.
In order to gather trust casino owners deal with this first before launching their business.

Most of the time gamblers are dealing with some concern as they are thinking that something is not fair from the game that
they've been so they resort everything to get the details.

[webtricks]

Unfortunately, most people still don't do this. I'm guilty of it too.

Is it at all possible to create a script that runs in the background as a provably fair checker for every bet automatically? Perhaps a Chrome extension would have a wider reach and help more people verify their bets than a site where you'd have to manually copy over your seeds.

It might sound paranoid but I think it's worth it to protect ourselves. Who knows if a casino has gone rogue at any point.

It is possible to make 'Chrome Extension' like you said but it won't be of much help. In order to calculate the result and verify bet, user has to change the seeds to reveal the previous server seed. Extension won't do that automatically (also it is advisable to manually set client seed). So in order for extension to work, you have to manually change the client seed after every bet. Once, client seed is changed, extension can get the seed data from 'My bets' column and calculate results.

So yeah, it is possible to automate part of the process (i.e. you don't have to manually paste the seeds) but whole process can't be automated (i.e. you still have to change the seeds manually).

[Bitcoin Smith]

In the beginning stage everyone do not know how ICU and where is the best place to to find and do some kinds of verification in gambling field but after some experience it will definitely is there for everyone to find which is the best verified betting option it will also suits for everyone.

[fullhdpixel]

Most people like living off the edge thinking that a single varifier cannot dictate their winnings or losses when it can literally save you from unfair losses rigged by the server and the gambling site itself. Casinos do that thing where they check every game before letting people play it, why has it all of a sudden become "inconvenient" for you guys to verify the credibility of your bets.

Look I understand we should verify our bets but this is how I think. If a casino is actually rigging rolls they must be very selective with their rigging because if they rigged every roll on the website they will be caught within minutes. So if they are being selective and rigging rolls for users who they know make fast bets and probably don't verify then there is no chance they will rig my rolls because I make manual bets and I usually don't ever use autobet even when I am applying a strategy I use manual betting.

Also my bet size is small and it would be seriously idiotic of them to scam me for $5-10 and lose all their reputation they have built by spending so much money and probably paying out 1000x bigger bets than me.

[Emitdama]

Nope I don't verify every bets as a gambler I just enjoy every round as much as I could.
Besides I only play on trusted and well known gambling sites I don't want to play on new sites that doesn't have much info or player.

Every site is a trusted and well known casino until they are found cheating and busted open by a member who has the time and knowledge to verify their bets. I also bet on reputed sites like primedice but I don't hesitate to verify the bets because it is our duty to ensure the system is working as it is meant to be and yeah the casino have their reputation but it takes minutes to verify.

I don't verify each and every bet though because it becomes a menace to do that and impossible to enjoy when I verify each bet.

Wanna read more about provably fair? Check this article on BTCGosu: https://www.btcgosu.com/provably-fair/

Thanks for the link, it definitely helps new members always!

[seoincorporation]

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Wanna read more about provably fair? Check this article on BTCGosu: https://www.btcgosu.com/provably-fair/

That's a nice article, all the casinos listed there are trusted sites. But some of them have a complex provably fair engine.

I don't like the sites who have a shared nonce and not an individual one, to be more clear, some casinos use the total number of bets on the casino to estimate the bet result while others use the total of your own bets.

[webtricks]

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Wanna read more about provably fair? Check this article on BTCGosu: https://www.btcgosu.com/provably-fair/

That's a nice article, all the casinos listed there are trusted sites. But some of them have a complex provably fair engine.

I don't like the sites who have a shared nonce and not an individual one, to be more clear, some casinos use the total number of bets on the casino to estimate the bet result while others use the total of your own bets.

Can you give me example of the casinos using this shared nonce method? I wasn't able to fully understand which site or provably fair mechanism you are referring to. If you could give me the name, I can look into it in detail and determine whether the provably fair script of such casino is actually fair or not. If not then I will notify about the same to the casino and insist them to improve the same.

Also, the article is written by me but the list of casinos is added by BTCGosu (@efialtis). But like you said all of them are trusted so I guess efialtis has done adequate due diligence before adding them to the GOSU. Nevertheless, if I found discrepancy in the script, I will inform about the same to efialtis too so that he can remove the said casino from the list. 

[Sebas.tian]

Nope I don't verify every bets as a gambler I just enjoy every round as much as I could.
Besides I only play on trusted and well known gambling sites I don't want to play on new sites that doesn't have much info or player.

More reasons why we don't verify bets before play. Personally i had experienced much on this gambling industry and have come to that junction where i only play with trusted platforms to avoid verify games before play. Most of my gambling platforms are those i have trusted for sometime now and need not to verify before gambling. It's my hardest to play with newly launched gambling platforms at the moment becasue many doesn't have fair platform for their gamblers. 

[Serious475]

Nope I don't verify every bets as a gambler I just enjoy every round as much as I could.
Besides I only play on trusted and well known gambling sites I don't want to play on new sites that doesn't have much info or player.

You should start verifying every bet that you are doing because verifying is not hard to do and it will make your chance of winning bigger and you won't get disappointed if you lose since you've done all you can. I i were you, I will makes sure that the thing I am going to spend my money is for everyone just like making your own online casino because it is the most demand for all the crypto users and it can be an entertaining for those who are addicted to the gambling.

[Jemzx00]

Nope I don't verify every bets as a gambler I just enjoy every round as much as I could.
Besides I only play on trusted and well known gambling sites I don't want to play on new sites that doesn't have much info or player.

You should start verifying every bet that you are doing because verifying is not hard to do and it will make your chance of winning bigger and you won't get disappointed if you lose since you've done all you can. I i were you, I will makes sure that the thing I am going to spend my money is for everyone just like making your own online casino because it is the most demand for all the crypto users and it can be an entertaining for those who are addicted to the gambling.

If you're gambling to mainly earn and focus only on winning then you're right to verify each and every bet you make. You can study the algorithm and fact check every bet you do especially if you're doubting the site you are gambling on to predict the next bet you'll do. But not all are there to bet and verify as it won't as much fun as just playing your money and winning on pure chance and luck which trigger us to play more and more until we win a lot or lose em' all.

[Fatunad]

Nope I don't verify every bets as a gambler I just enjoy every round as much as I could.
Besides I only play on trusted and well known gambling sites I don't want to play on new sites that doesn't have much info or player.

You should start verifying every bet that you are doing because verifying is not hard to do and it will make your chance of winning bigger and you won't get disappointed if you lose since you've done all you can. I i were you, I will makes sure that the thing I am going to spend my money is for everyone just like making your own online casino because it is the most demand for all the crypto users and it can be an entertaining for those who are addicted to the gambling.

If you're gambling to mainly earn and focus only on winning then you're right to verify each and every bet you make. You can study the algorithm and fact check every bet you do especially if you're doubting the site you are gambling on to predict the next bet you'll do. But not all are there to bet and verify as it won't as much fun as just playing your money and winning on pure chance and luck which trigger us to play more and more until we win a lot or lose em' all.

If you are really that meticulous into things then you would surely verify into those bets and see if its fair or not.There are really people who are really keen or serious
when it comes to their money.They do want that even if they do lose then they lose in a fair way not on a manipulative or being that cheated.
Majority of people wont really care or wont have this kind of behavior because they do just simply stick out to those reputable or known ones and presuming that theyre
dealing with a fair site which does actually have some point because people wont stick into a place if they do find out if somethings fishy is happening.

[traderethereum]

Nope I don't verify every bets as a gambler I just enjoy every round as much as I could.
Besides I only play on trusted and well known gambling sites I don't want to play on new sites that doesn't have much info or player.

You should start verifying every bet that you are doing because verifying is not hard to do and it will make your chance of winning bigger and you won't get disappointed if you lose since you've done all you can. I i were you, I will makes sure that the thing I am going to spend my money is for everyone just like making your own online casino because it is the most demand for all the crypto users and it can be an entertaining for those who are addicted to the gambling.

If you are playing gambling because of the search for fun and not thinking about winning or fairness, you don't have to verify every bet because that will reduce your enjoyment in playing the games.
But you can verify by yourself to find out if their system is fair or they cheat on you, so you can report to the support system if you found it.
I think verifying the system is fair or not will need to spend some time to check, and not all people want to do that.
But if the gambling site is recommended and many gamblers trust that site, we don't have to suspicious about them because they won't do something negative that will make their members leave them.
The thing that can make us disappointed is when we lose our money in gambling, making us feel sad.