Why privacy matters

[Sethrey]

Dear bitcointalkers, does privacy matters for you? When I started to trade btc I was sure it will always remain anonymous, but nowadays more and more exchangers ask for some identification documents for some reason. I decided to check what happens with other spheres and found that article https://hackernoon.com/why-privacy-matters-and-how-to-stop-online-harassment-q174930dm

It's really important for me to be safe online due to the several reasons. As I make payments and run the business. I don't want anyone know all the information about me.

So let's share which apps do you use for browsing, messaging, emailing, etc. Maybe you can also offer good VPN (I don't really believe them, but anyway)

Let's help each other to save our personal information.

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[OK Con De]

All centralized exchanges require you to complete KYC due to legal reason, to prevent money washing. It's ok if they only use our personal information for verifying and only provide our information to legal departments when they are required. But by some way, i many times see exchange user information are sell, it's such a big problem.

[BADecker]

This is why we use listing companies like Bitquick (https://www.bitquick.co/) or LocalBitcoins (https://localbitcoins.com/)... so that the exchanging is done in private, yet is protected by escrow from the listing company.

[Starkick]

Well, data security is important to me, but it's not that I'm really worried about it. Although, of course, in recent years there has been some huge number of hacker attacks on users. Especially, as I heard, TG users suffer. I don’t understand only one thing as users of the application, whose developers claim that it is completely anonymous, can I be attacked by hackers who also stole their personal information?

What applications can be used to be absolutely sure in your own safety?

[Sethrey]

Localbitcoins is a shit. Their politics now force all the users to upload the id documents. Even if you want to make a small deal for 20$ you have to upload the documents and prove it is you.

What concerns Telegram, it's been a long time I don't believe in it. So many data leaks and no one is gonna improve the  soft. If you give your phone number, be ready to be tracked.

[Starkick]

A few days ago I read an interesting article about an application that does not require any data at all. It seems to be called utopia p2p, but I have not heard anything about it. Maybe you know more about this application and can tell

[boyptc]

Luckily Binance offers the no kyc/verification accounts and it still has a nice amount for daily limit. As if you are a heavy trader that can fill 2 BTC per day.

So let's share which apps do you use for browsing, messaging, emailing, etc.

Answers will be the usual apps that offers these services.

[odolvlobo]

People who say they don’t care about privacy because they have got nothing to hide have not thought too deeply about these issues. What they are really saying is I do not care about this right.

When you say I don’t care about the right to privacy because I have nothing to hide, that is no different than saying I don’t care about freedom of speech because I have nothing to say or freedom of the press because I have nothing to write.

 -- Edward Snowden

[BADecker]

Privacy matters so that they don't catch you when you are sneaking out of quarantine.

 

[BADecker]

Localbitcoins is a shit. Their politics now force all the users to upload the id documents. Even if you want to make a small deal for 20$ you have to upload the documents and prove it is you.

What concerns Telegram, it's been a long time I don't believe in it. So many data leaks and no one is gonna improve the  soft. If you give your phone number, be ready to be tracked.

Just remember one thing. Technically the docs aren't you. They are only docs. Even if a doc has your sig on it, you are signing it as controller of the doc. Most of the time the docs don't state that you have any obligation from signing. The obligation comes when you agree that you have an obligation of some sort.

[semobo]

Ask the question to yourself, Is your privacy matters more than money making then stop using centralized exchanges.You can liquidate your funds on Dex but probably you get hit on the price due to less volume.

[woodcockk]

Ask the question to yourself, Is your privacy matters more than money making then stop using centralized exchanges.

Now, this is what we should ask our selves before using exchanges.

[Negotiation]

Ask the question to yourself, Is your privacy matters more than money making then stop using centralized exchanges.

Now, this is what we should ask our selves before using exchanges.

You are right but you do not question yourself in all exchanges The type of exchange varies from place to place. But I think a decentralized exchange site is the best They protect privacy.

[Subbir]

Ask the question to yourself, Is your privacy matters more than money making then stop using centralized exchanges.

Now, this is what we should ask our selves before using exchanges.

You are right but you do not question yourself in all exchanges The type of exchange varies from place to place. But I think a decentralized exchange site is the best They protect privacy.

These decentralized exchange sites can do whatever we would like in order that they are under the protection of our privacy and that we are worth nothing as we work but the centralized exchange sites are under another. they are doing not have our personal information.

[Sethrey]

A few days ago I read an interesting article about an application that does not require any data at all. It seems to be called utopia p2p, but I have not heard anything about it. Maybe you know more about this application and can tell

As I've checked it unites all-in-one. I'm interested in mining there as it seems to be nice. But I didn't found any info on the market about its inner coin called Crypton. So I'm not sure if it's worse to start mining. But what's good, I didn't find any negative info on it. So maybe it's exactly what I'm looking for in the means of privacy.

[Hannu]

Yeah, F-secure boss talks about this couple years ago. Who is wrong, me or the system?
That what is wrong with it, selling everything shit on my name or address, they hate us! They plan to put us doing job 35euros/day 8 am - 4 pm.
I don't want to do that   Luckily, if i don't want to go there it not must go. Rather I am that entrepreneur who gets a free workforce! 

[Negotiation]

A few days ago I read an interesting article about an application that does not require any data at all. It seems to be called utopia p2p, but I have not heard anything about it. Maybe you know more about this application and can tell

As I've checked it unites all-in-one. I'm interested in mining there as it seems to be nice. But I didn't found any info on the market about its inner coin called Crypton. So I'm not sure if it's worse to start mining. But what's good, I didn't find any negative info on it. So maybe it's exactly what I'm looking for in the means of privacy.

There are many sites that keep their information anonymous, which I don't think has any negative impact on them. Sites that are good protect their privacy. Bad sites usually try to propagate frequently for scams and show greed for various tactics.

[Starkick]

Hmm, this is very interesting. I googled several articles about this application and it seems to have very good reviews. More precisely, there are no comments at all about the presence of bugs and problems with data security. Is there anyone who is already testing this app?

[MikeGarden]

Dear bitcointalkers, does privacy matters for you? When I started to trade btc I was sure it will always remain anonymous, but nowadays more and more exchangers ask for some identification documents for some reason. I decided to check what happens with other spheres and found that article https://hackernoon.com/why-privacy-matters-and-how-to-stop-online-harassment-q174930dm

It's really important for me to be safe online due to the several reasons. As I make payments and run the business. I don't want anyone know all the information about me.

So let's share which apps do you use for browsing, messaging, emailing, etc. Maybe you can also offer good VPN (I don't really believe them, but anyway)

Let's help each other to save our personal information.

If you are talking about security at its finest development, then you must look into Ilcoin!

[Hannu]

My friend's icloud was hacked. There were pictures of him and his girlfriend... not the nicest.
The hacker started blackmailing him.
As it became known, the icloud was hacked by people who were fixing his iPhone.
It's not exactly about anonymity. It's about common sense. You're always visible on the Internet, remember

Im happy everything is okay on me Im trying to talk about these things last possible point. They try to bully me on working place, injecting my phone GPS tracking. Im very smart about these things, feel bad to be away from our "team" in a new working place Closed because of the corona

[Sethrey]

Hmm, this is very interesting. I googled several articles about this application and it seems to have very good reviews. More precisely, there are no comments at all about the presence of bugs and problems with data security. Is there anyone who is already testing this app?

Which app are you speaking about? And what concerns hacking, the cases are really numerous now. Due to Corona, scammers decided to take everything from people and that's really disgusting.

[ethereumhunter]

Privacy matters to me. When I browse on the internet, I don't want to show my identity, and I prefer to stay anonymous so I can do anything with my computer. Although I cannot avoid privacy like, for example, when I register e-mail or on some website, I need to give my name, but I can use a fake name just to protect my real identity. We don't know how dangerous the internet because I heard about so many leaked data on some websites that contain important data. I don't want to get that experience, so I really care about privacy.

[Subbir]

I also maintain my privacy within the workplace you're right that the web is more likely to be scammed during this way therein case if we use other names they're going to easily find our information. There are numerous people that are always trying to harm us that they struggle to destroy it if we get the important information so for the sake of doing this online not all folks keep their information confidential.

[Starkick]

Hmm, this is very interesting. I googled several articles about this application and it seems to have very good reviews. More precisely, there are no comments at all about the presence of bugs and problems with data security. Is there anyone who is already testing this app?

Which app are you speaking about? And what concerns hacking, the cases are really numerous now. Due to Corona, scammers decided to take everything from people and that's really disgusting.

I meant the Utopia p2p application. It is fairly new, but I found only positive reviews about it. I’ve been testing it for almost a week now and haven’t encountered a single bug in all the time. Just yesterday I started mining, and even this did not slow down my PC.

[peter0425]

Do we really need to answer this?if you don't need privacy then go to your traditional banks and no need to be here.
because we are here to maintain our privacy and security things that bank can give us only in limited occasion but not in whole process.

Hmm, this is very interesting. I googled several articles about this application and it seems to have very good reviews. More precisely, there are no comments at all about the presence of bugs and problems with data security. Is there anyone who is already testing this app?

i have checked but not using it ,i will wait for positive reviews of Knowledgeable account here before trying to use the app.

[yoshka]

I understand people who want to remain anonymous, it’s normal to “sleep” in the conditions of the modern world, when everything is confused. However, is it normal that people are afraid to show their faces?

I reason like this: I did not do anything illegal and, more importantly, I act in good faith, which means I have nothing to hide, because there is nothing to blame me for.

[Subbir]

Hmm, this is very interesting. I googled several articles about this application and it seems to have very good reviews. More precisely, there are no comments at all about the presence of bugs and problems with data security. Is there anyone who is already testing this app?

Which app are you speaking about? And what concerns hacking, the cases are really numerous now. Due to Corona, scammers decided to take everything from people and that's really disgusting.

Really bad people don't stand beside people on this disaster day they're trying to hack through apps i feel no such site should be used. stand back from worrying about protecting yourself and protecting privacy.

[Sethrey]

I meant the Utopia p2p application. It is fairly new, but I found only positive reviews about it. I’ve been testing it for almost a week now and haven’t encountered a single bug in all the time. Just yesterday I started mining, and even this did not slow down my PC.

What kind of info does it ask during the registration? As it seems everything needs a phone number and I don't want to use it. People using Telegram and believing  they're secure there, are fools. Anything taken from you is stored somewhere. And if it's stored, it can be accessed. So many cases...

[Starkick]

You do not need absolutely any information. You just need to install the application and that’s it. It was amazing for me, because I had never encountered this before, but the application is completely anonymous.

[Negotiation]

This application does not work. Privacy is of course important No one can ever tell what will happen when it comes to working If you do not protect your privacy your information will be shared by someone else and you will lose everything. That is why you keep the information confidential before giving an application.

[Sethrey]

You do not need absolutely any information. You just need to install the application and that’s it. It was amazing for me, because I had never encountered this before, but the application is completely anonymous.

That's great that you can log in without any personal info. As especially during the coronavirus, even more info is collected about users by big corporations. Apple,Google, Facebook are now collecting everything. So it's possibly worth trying.

[Subbir]

You do not need absolutely any information. You just need to install the application and that’s it. It was amazing for me, because I had never encountered this before, but the application is completely anonymous.

That's great that you can log in without any personal info. As especially during the coronavirus, even more info is collected about users by big corporations. Apple,Google, Facebook are now collecting everything. So it's possibly worth trying.

You just said that privacy cannot be protected immediately due to the virus, everything goes to the govt for information about who is doing what No problem with privacy or non-compliance. However it's completely incompatible.

[peter0425]

You do not need absolutely any information. You just need to install the application and that’s it. It was amazing for me, because I had never encountered this before, but the application is completely anonymous.

By installing the application there is a need for information right?so whats the difference from collecting Info?
even free to install apps required info before installation thats why everything in internet is vulnerable.

This application does not work. Privacy is of course important No one can ever tell what will happen when it comes to working If you do not protect your privacy your information will be shared by someone else and you will lose everything. That is why you keep the information confidential before giving an application.

agreed on this one .

[Starkick]

Absolutely! That is what attracted me to this application. By the way, I can recommend Covid-19 chat in it you can find the most relevant information about coronavirus.

[Sethrey]

Absolutely! That is what attracted me to this application. By the way, I can recommend Covid-19 chat in it you can find the most relevant information about coronavirus.

We can study the corona virus not only through chat but also in other ways But people are adopting this method to remain safe for his or her own protection. most are strict about keeping privacy regardless of what the appliance is.

I believe, I'd better learn about the virus through the chat, where people are not afraid to tell the truth, than walking around the streets looking for someone to discuss the problem

[romelitounknown]

Who doesn't like privacy? Everyone of us needs privacy somewhere in our lifes. From personal life to business and money transactions we need a privacy always depending on our preferrence.

[Starkick]

Have you accessed the app for the last couple of days? And then I had difficulties connecting to the server ... I do not understand what this problem is connected with

[Fahim2005]

Privacy helps people protect themselves from these troublesome judgments. People establish boundaries from others in society. ... Privacy helps people manage these boundaries. Breaches of these boundaries can create awkward social situations and damage our relationships
1:::Privacy is a limit on government power, as well as the power of private sector companies. The more someone knows about us, the more power they can have over us. Personal data is used to make very important decisions in our lives. Personal data can be used to affect our reputations; and it can be used to influence our decisions and shape our behavior. It can be used as a tool to exercise control over us. And in the wrong hands, personal data can be used to cause us great harm.
2;:;Privacy is about respecting individuals. If a person has a reasonable desire to keep something private, it is disrespectful to ignore that person’s wishes without a compelling reason to do so. Of course, the desire for privacy can conflict with important values, so privacy may not always win out in the balance. Sometimes people’s desires for privacy are just brushed aside because of a view that the harm in doing so is trivial. Even if this doesn’t cause major injury, it demonstrates a lack of respect for that person. In a sense it is saying: “I care about my interests, but I don’t care about yours.”
3;:;Privacy enables people to manage their reputations. How we are judged by others affects our opportunities, friendships, and overall well-being. Although we can’t have complete control over our reputations, we must have some ability to protect our reputations from being unfairly harmed. Protecting reputation depends on protecting against not only falsehoods but also certain truths. Knowing private details about people’s lives doesn’t necessarily lead to more accurate judgment about people. People judge badly, they judge in haste, they judge out of context, they judge without hearing the whole story, and they judge with hypocrisy. Privacy helps people protect themselves from these troublesome judgments.
4;:;People establish boundaries from others in society. These boundaries are both physical and informational. We need places of solitude to retreat to, places where we are free of the gaze of others in order to relax and feel at ease. We also establish informational boundaries, and we have an elaborate set of these boundaries for the many different relationships we have. Privacy helps people manage these boundaries. Breaches of these boundaries can create awkward social situations and damage our relationships. Privacy is also helpful to reduce the social friction we encounter in life. Most people don’t want everybody to know everything about them – hence the phrase “none of your business.” And sometimes we don’t want to know everything about other people — hence the phrase “too much information.”
5;:;In relationships, whether personal, professional, governmental, or commercial, we depend upon trusting the other party. Breaches of confidentiality are breaches of that trust. In professional relationships such as our relationships with doctors and lawyers, this trust is key to maintaining candor in the relationship. Likewise, we trust other people we interact with as well as the companies we do business with. When trust is breached in one relationship, that could make us more reluctant to trust in other relationships.
6;:;Personal data is essential to so many decisions made about us, from whether we get a loan, a license or a job to our personal and professional reputations. Personal data is used to determine whether we are investigated by the government, or searched at the airport, or denied the ability to fly. Indeed, personal data affects nearly everything, including what messages and content we see on the Internet. Without having knowledge of what data is being used, how it is being used, the ability to correct and amend it, we are virtually helpless in today’s world. Moreover, we are helpless without the ability to have a say in how our data is used or the ability to object and have legitimate grievances be heard when data uses can harm us. One of the hallmarks of freedom is having autonomy and control over our lives, and we can’t have that if so many important decisions about us are being made in secret without our awareness or participation.

[noorman0]

Privacy helps people protect themselves from these troublesome judgments. People establish boundaries from others in society. ... Privacy helps people manage these boundaries. Breaches of these boundaries can create awkward social situations and damage our relationships
1:::Privacy is a limit on government power, as well as the power of private sector companies. The more someone knows about us, the more power they can have over us. Personal data is used to make very important decisions in our lives. Personal data can be used to affect our reputations; and it can be used to influence our decisions and shape our behavior. It can be used as a tool to exercise control over us. And in the wrong hands, personal data can be used to cause us great harm.
2;:;Privacy is about respecting individuals. If a person has a reasonable desire to keep something private, it is disrespectful to ignore that person’s wishes without a compelling reason to do so. Of course, the desire for privacy can conflict with important values, so privacy may not always win out in the balance. Sometimes people’s desires for privacy are just brushed aside because of a view that the harm in doing so is trivial. Even if this doesn’t cause major injury, it demonstrates a lack of respect for that person. In a sense it is saying: “I care about my interests, but I don’t care about yours.”
3;:;Privacy enables people to manage their reputations. How we are judged by others affects our opportunities, friendships, and overall well-being. Although we can’t have complete control over our reputations, we must have some ability to protect our reputations from being unfairly harmed. Protecting reputation depends on protecting against not only falsehoods but also certain truths. Knowing private details about people’s lives doesn’t necessarily lead to more accurate judgment about people. People judge badly, they judge in haste, they judge out of context, they judge without hearing the whole story, and they judge with hypocrisy. Privacy helps people protect themselves from these troublesome judgments.
4;:;People establish boundaries from others in society. These boundaries are both physical and informational. We need places of solitude to retreat to, places where we are free of the gaze of others in order to relax and feel at ease. We also establish informational boundaries, and we have an elaborate set of these boundaries for the many different relationships we have. Privacy helps people manage these boundaries. Breaches of these boundaries can create awkward social situations and damage our relationships. Privacy is also helpful to reduce the social friction we encounter in life. Most people don’t want everybody to know everything about them – hence the phrase “none of your business.” And sometimes we don’t want to know everything about other people — hence the phrase “too much information.”
5;:;In relationships, whether personal, professional, governmental, or commercial, we depend upon trusting the other party. Breaches of confidentiality are breaches of that trust. In professional relationships such as our relationships with doctors and lawyers, this trust is key to maintaining candor in the relationship. Likewise, we trust other people we interact with as well as the companies we do business with. When trust is breached in one relationship, that could make us more reluctant to trust in other relationships.
6;:;Personal data is essential to so many decisions made about us, from whether we get a loan, a license or a job to our personal and professional reputations. Personal data is used to determine whether we are investigated by the government, or searched at the airport, or denied the ability to fly. Indeed, personal data affects nearly everything, including what messages and content we see on the Internet. Without having knowledge of what data is being used, how it is being used, the ability to correct and amend it, we are virtually helpless in today’s world. Moreover, we are helpless without the ability to have a say in how our data is used or the ability to object and have legitimate grievances be heard when data uses can harm us. One of the hallmarks of freedom is having autonomy and control over our lives, and we can’t have that if so many important decisions about us are being made in secret without our awareness or participation.

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[Lorence.xD]

Privacy when it comes to personal matters is important because informations that leaks can be used by identity thiefs for criminal purposes, we all agree that we do not want to be accused of the crimes we did not commit ( hell even if you commit and you do not want to admit), that is the reason why we do not want our personal details to be compromised. Regarding know-your-customer policy is a good thing and it is nothing that we should be afraid of because this businesses are also under the law regarding confidentiality of personal details of the customer. So, privacy matters in terms of legal matter for each individual.

[ahadudzaman]

off course, privacy is matter  because every work has a security. If you have no privacy then your data or other things will be hacked. So in this case privacy is very important to secure our data.

[Sethrey]

Have you accessed the app for the last couple of days? And then I had difficulties connecting to the server ... I do not understand what this problem is connected with

If you speak about Utopia p2p, everything works as usual. Maybe you have a problem with your PC? The to disable mining or updating to the latest version. Or simply reinstall the application. Something should help.

[ahadudzaman]

Privacy is everything. Security is very in all things. Your all data is secure by this privacy. so,first of all you should be attention on your privacy.

[Starkick]

The problem was in my PC, you're right .. now everything works fine, I communicate with other users, I have mining enabled and this does not affect the speed of work

[Sethrey]

The problem was in my PC, you're right .. now everything works fine, I communicate with other users, I have mining enabled and this does not affect the speed of work

Is there any possibilities for withdrawal? As I didn't see the coin on the market even now. And as I know, the app is working for 6 months already, or even more.. So it's interesting what do developers think about.

[jtea]

I think that before you start using any crypto exchange, you need to be prepared for the fact that you will be asked for identity documents. As far as I understand, this is done in order to make sure that a person is not doing anything illegal (especially for large amounts of money).

[2february]

privacy is personal data so I think it is very important, do not carelessly provide your privacy data in any form.

[Starkick]

The problem was in my PC, you're right .. now everything works fine, I communicate with other users, I have mining enabled and this does not affect the speed of work

Is there any possibilities for withdrawal? As I didn't see the coin on the market even now. And as I know, the app is working for 6 months already, or even more.. So it's interesting what do developers think about.

Well, in general, I found information on the forums that there are special chats where you can find users who can exchange crypto. But to be honest, I haven’t been looking for anything yet ... I want to save up a little

[Sethrey]

The problem was in my PC, you're right .. now everything works fine, I communicate with other users, I have mining enabled and this does not affect the speed of work

Is there any possibilities for withdrawal? As I didn't see the coin on the market even now. And as I know, the app is working for 6 months already, or even more.. So it's interesting what do developers think about.

Well, in general, I found information on the forums that there are special chats where you can find users who can exchange crypto. But to be honest, I haven’t been looking for anything yet ... I want to save up a little

On the whole, before you hold, you have to get sure you could withdraw it. In other case it loses any sense. So I think I'll spent some time browsing channels in order to find the exchangers and ask for reviews of those who already used their service. Thanks for the info.

[Starkick]

You're welcome! Please write about the results of your searches, perhaps this information is useful to other users.

[Sethrey]

Well, what I've found is enough, I guess. There are lots of guys who're ready to help you with a withdrawal. Chinese, Russian, American, etc. All of them can be found in a related channels. They mostly exchange the CRP to PM, but crypto ones can be also found. So it's quite easy. Moreover, there's a guy called Merchant, which is the most trustful.

[Nikinger]

Privacy matters because the history shows that personal information could be abused by "hackers" or by authorities during paradigm shifts.

Everyone who is interested in privacy has to do some trade offs because increasing privacy means more work to do.

What I'm (not) doing:

• I don't use Facebook or any other social platform with mandatory real names. But I don't care about privacy when doing company related things.
• I use a VPN for private surfing but I don't use a VPN for anything which is linked with my real identity like banking.
• The whole computer is encrypted including every backup drive. But some USB devices aren't because some devices like TVs can't read it.
• I prefer cable over wireless in my house. But wireless is still enabled, because cable is very annoying when using mobile devices in the bed. To prevent taking over the whole network in the case of an attack, the wireless network has a own vLAN.
• My door is surveilled with a Raspberry but I don't care about the windows because you would need pretty good climbing experiences.

I don't need 100% security, I'm caring about privacy while doing only a fair amount of efforts.

It's not hard to spy on me but it's hard to get any crucial out of me.

[Starkick]

Well, what I've found is enough, I guess. There are lots of guys who're ready to help you with a withdrawal. Chinese, Russian, American, etc. All of them can be found in a related channels. They mostly exchange the CRP to PM, but crypto ones can be also found. So it's quite easy. Moreover, there's a guy called Merchant, which is the most trustful.

Oh, cool. Thank you so much! I will try to look for this guy. By the way, maybe you know something about the release of the mobile application? that would be very cool

[Markyway88]

Privacy matters is the reason why we are anonymous here. It is also the reason behind cryptocurrency and blockchain. I think all pf us here wants anonymity because we need to secure ourselves from our hold assets.

[Sethrey]

Oh, cool. Thank you so much! I will try to look for this guy. By the way, maybe you know something about the release of the mobile application? that would be very cool

Mobile app seems to be in a development mode. But I have another good news for you. Its coin Crypton was announced on a trading platform https://www.qbtc.me/trade?symbol=CRP_USDT which gives more proofs it's not a scam. For me it's very pleasing to use messenger and mine some coins while it's running. Agree?

[Walangkopo]

all forms of self-identity are of course very important. and dangerous if someone is misusing data for negative actions.

[Starkick]

all forms of self-identity are of course very important. and dangerous if someone is misusing data for negative actions.

Yes, it seems to me that this indicates the imminent appearance of a mobile application. Probably, the developers have already debugged the application, and decided to withdraw the coin on crypto-exchanges. Waiting for updates.

[peter0425]

Privacy matters is the reason why we are anonymous here. It is also the reason behind cryptocurrency and blockchain. I think all pf us here wants anonymity because we need to secure ourselves from our hold assets.

thats why we are here because of privacy because if not then we should stay in bankings.

we also wanted our personality be safe for the attacjs since there are so many online cases now that involves crypto or other electronic currencies.

[Sethrey]

all forms of self-identity are of course very important. and dangerous if someone is misusing data for negative actions.

Yes, it seems to me that this indicates the imminent appearance of a mobile application. Probably, the developers have already debugged the application, and decided to withdraw the coin on crypto-exchanges. Waiting for updates.

I didn't thought about it from that side. Maybe you're right and it's one more step to the mobile application. But on the other hand, imagine, how much do they have to pay in order to add the coin on several trading platforms and exchanges.. So maybe you're mistaken..

[Starkick]

Oh, I don’t know about this, but I found out that they had their own fan site https://utopia.fans/ , maybe there users know more about further plans for the development of the application. I am more than sure that the creator of the site will definitely be the biggest fan of the application.

[Ladysmith]

This is why we use listing companies like Bitquick (https://www.bitquick.co/) or LocalBitcoins (https://localbitcoins.com/)... so that the exchanging is done in private, yet is protected by escrow from the listing company.

https://www.virieproject.com/ lets you actually buy and sell goods and services in private with a built-in escrow system. 

[peter0425]

Oh, I don’t know about this, but I found out that they had their own fan site https://utopia.fans/ , maybe there users know more about further plans for the development of the application. I am more than sure that the creator of the site will definitely be the biggest fan of the application.

Fan site?lol is this how they really serious in this matter?

all forms of self-identity are of course very important. and dangerous if someone is misusing data for negative actions.

Yes, it seems to me that this indicates the imminent appearance of a mobile application. Probably, the developers have already debugged the application, and decided to withdraw the coin on crypto-exchanges. Waiting for updates.

I didn't thought about it from that side. Maybe you're right and it's one more step to the mobile application. But on the other hand, imagine, how much do they have to pay in order to add the coin on several trading platforms and exchanges.. So maybe you're mistaken..

In that way,they can prove about their legitimacy,spending money to be added in legit platform is one way attracting investors and users.

[Sethrey]

all forms of self-identity are of course very important. and dangerous if someone is misusing data for negative actions.

Yes, it seems to me that this indicates the imminent appearance of a mobile application. Probably, the developers have already debugged the application, and decided to withdraw the coin on crypto-exchanges. Waiting for updates.

I didn't thought about it from that side. Maybe you're right and it's one more step to the mobile application. But on the other hand, imagine, how much do they have to pay in order to add the coin on several trading platforms and exchanges.. So maybe you're mistaken..

In that way,they can prove about their legitimacy,spending money to be added in legit platform is one way attracting investors and users.
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If you hadn't seen, it was already added to a trading platform officially. And the second thing is that no investors are needed there. As the soft is absolutely self-financed, no one is needed to make it alive. It will live on its own, until it will have active users. And even now it's already more than 100k of them.

[Starkick]

The problem was in my PC, you're right .. now everything works fine, I communicate with other users, I have mining enabled and this does not affect the speed of work

Is there any possibilities for withdrawal? As I didn't see the coin on the market even now. And as I know, the app is working for 6 months already, or even more.. So it's interesting what do developers think about.

Well, in general, I found information on the forums that there are special chats where you can find users who can exchange crypto. But to be honest, I haven’t been looking for anything yet ... I want to save up a little

On the whole, before you hold, you have to get sure you could withdraw it. In other case it loses any sense. So I think I'll spent some time browsing channels in order to find the exchangers and ask for reviews of those who already used their service. Thanks for the info.

You're right we'd like to require an honest check out the location before exchanging. Hackers can easily gain access to everything if privacy isn't a really important issue when it involves working in crypto this is often why users should benefit research before saving.

Well, yes, as far as I know, this project was created by developers for a very long time and was tested for quite some time, so I can say that this is not very similar to the search for investors.

[greenlanternlight01]

Dear bitcointalkers, does privacy matters for you? When I started to trade btc I was sure it will always remain anonymous, but nowadays more and more exchangers ask for some identification documents for some reason. I decided to check what happens with other spheres and found that article https://hackernoon.com/why-privacy-matters-and-how-to-stop-online-harassment-q174930dm

It's really important for me to be safe online due to the several reasons. As I make payments and run the business. I don't want anyone know all the information about me.

So let's share which apps do you use for browsing, messaging, emailing, etc. Maybe you can also offer good VPN (I don't really believe them, but anyway)

Let's help each other to save our personal information.

Everyone of us needs some privacy at some part of our lives specially when getting old. From life issues and specially online transactions, we need a privacy given the situation now in the online world

[Sethrey]

Everyone of us needs some privacy at some part of our lives specially when getting old. From life issues and specially online transactions, we need a privacy given the situation now in the online world

So have you checked Utopia p2p? It seems to be the most secured now. And I've read that more than 100 000 active users are participating there. It's not very useful to run a business there as all your customers should have to install the soft. But it's quite nice as a new social media.

[KiloFoxtrot]

Dear bitcointalkers, does privacy matters for you? When I started to trade btc I was sure it will always remain anonymous, but nowadays more and more exchangers ask for some identification documents for some reason. I decided to check what happens with other spheres and found that article https://hackernoon.com/why-privacy-matters-and-how-to-stop-online-harassment-q174930dm

It's really important for me to be safe online due to the several reasons. As I make payments and run the business. I don't want anyone know all the information about me.

So let's share which apps do you use for browsing, messaging, emailing, etc. Maybe you can also offer good VPN (I don't really believe them, but anyway)

Let's help each other to save our personal information.

I would generally tend to agree, in principle.

All centralized exchanges require you to complete KYC due to legal reason, to prevent money washing. It's ok if they only use our personal information for verifying and only provide our information to legal departments when they are required. But by some way, i many times see exchange user information are sell, it's such a big problem.

And you've got a valid point also re: the need to provide and pass KYC requirements. But still, the possible abuse of our information is what the OP is basically concerned with, is totally understandable under the circumstances mentioned.

[Starkick]

Well, as far as I know, the exchange of money inside the Utopia p2p application occurs absolutely anonymously, also at a very favorable rate.

[Sethrey]

Well, as far as I know, the exchange of money inside the Utopia p2p application occurs absolutely anonymously, also at a very favorable rate.

Sure as you don't fill in any personal info during the registration. And as its a separate network, you simply can't be found anyhow, even by ip or something. The only way to lose your anonymity there is to type all your data in a public channel

[Starkick]

Well, as far as I know, the exchange of money inside the Utopia p2p application occurs absolutely anonymously, also at a very favorable rate.

Sure as you don't fill in any personal info during the registration. And as its a separate network, you simply can't be found anyhow, even by ip or something. The only way to lose your anonymity there is to type all your data in a public channel

Well, I hope no one makes such mistakes! Because this is a pretty funny mistake.

[Code_Knightly]

Security is number #1 in my books. I tend not to stray from well-known software nor do I bother filling in a form field or clicking around on web applications that seem less savory.

My three basic steps for security
- Keep all software up to date as well as your anti-virus! Even MS defenders is an okay choice if things are updated
- Never use the same credentials for all your accounts obvs
- Trust no one and for that matter no file either! Even websites that seem good may be a risk to data breaches leaking your information out.
- Is it worth giving away your information to a site you might only use once or twice
- Do research before anything!!

It's not much of a list and it's simple enough that my grandparents could follow so im hoping that someone might find this useful and if more people like it we can make a more in-depth version

Peace all

[Sethrey]

Well, I hope no one makes such mistakes! Because this is a pretty funny mistake.

For some people it's okay. They will use the most secured network not even knowing what security is Many have no idea about data collection by big corporations and which money do they make on it. I prefer to keep my data safe, so happy to have such an app for that.

[Virtual Systems]

I use Opera as a browser, as there is a build-in VPN. For my phone, I use VPN Proxy Master. It's not turned on all the time, but I know I can be tracked. So I have no photos with my personal data and also there is a webcam cover privacy protection on my laptop.

[numpadxx5]

I use Opera as a browser, as there is a build-in VPN. For my phone, I use VPN Proxy Master. It's not turned on all the time, but I know I can be tracked. So I have no photos with my personal data and also there is a webcam cover privacy protection on my laptop.

I also use vpn to hide my ip location, i use http injector and psiphon pro. I don't like exchange using kyc to verify account because giving your identity that easily can be use as identify theft.

[Renampun]

...

I also use vpn to hide my ip location, i use http injector and psiphon pro. I don't like exchange using kyc to verify account because giving your identity that easily can be use as identify theft.

I use the Tor browser...
Tor network is famous for its ability to hide user data, but sometimes opening several sites is very difficult with Tor network, especially sites that use Captcha.

[Starkick]

Well, I hope no one makes such mistakes! Because this is a pretty funny mistake.

For some people it's okay. They will use the most secured network not even knowing what security is Many have no idea about data collection by big corporations and which money do they make on it. I prefer to keep my data safe, so happy to have such an app for that.

YES, that’s absolutely correct. After all, the name access to some kind of inbox, a hacker can bring a lot of problems to a simple us

[Sethrey]

I use the Tor browser...
Tor network is famous for its ability to hide user data, but sometimes opening several sites is very difficult with Tor network, especially sites that use Captcha.

You use only Tor and do everything there? What about all the google projects, social media? I felt in love with Utopia as it includes everything and looks as a secured Facebook for me. But with email, mining and browser also. I think it's the best way out now for those, who cares about privacy.

[Elite70]

Would you like others to see what's inside your underwear? I believe you don't like that. All of us needs privacy in our life.

[Starkick]

Would you like others to see what's inside your underwear? I believe you don't like that. All of us needs privacy in our life.

Oh come on. Everyone understands the importance of privacy in the life of a modern Internet user. That is why it is so important to pay attention to truly worthy applications that guarantee this security.

[Sethrey]

Would you like others to see what's inside your underwear? I believe you don't like that. All of us needs privacy in our life.

Sounds great! These words can also explain my opinion on a closed source code. It became so popular to run all the new apps with an open source, but 1st - it's hard to monetize, 2nd - your idea can be stolen by the more experienced team, which will develop a better project and all your work will be simply ruined.

[Starkick]

Would you like others to see what's inside your underwear? I believe you don't like that. All of us needs privacy in our life.

Sounds great! These words can also explain my opinion on a closed source code. It became so popular to run all the new apps with an open source, but 1st - it's hard to monetize, 2nd - your idea can be stolen by the more experienced team, which will develop a better project and all your work will be simply ruined.

YES, overall closed source is much better than open source. And this is not only because no one will steal your idea. Often the customers themselves make changes to the open source and only add work to the developers.

[Sethrey]

Something like that, but fin general I meant was that closed source is more secure and much harder to crack. I would even say that this is almost impossible to do. So I choose this option

[odolvlobo]

Would you like others to see what's inside your underwear? I believe you don't like that. All of us needs privacy in our life.

Sounds great! These words can also explain my opinion on a closed source code. It became so popular to run all the new apps with an open source, but 1st - it's hard to monetize, 2nd - your idea can be stolen by the more experienced team, which will develop a better project and all your work will be simply ruined.

YES, overall closed source is much better than open source. And this is not only because no one will steal your idea. Often the customers themselves make changes to the open source and only add work to the developers.

In general, companies don't sell open source software. Companies that provide open source software sell support and consulting.

Many companies develop, use, or contribute to open source software because there are many benefits to letting others contribute to code you use and there is often no benefit to keeping it secret. Netflix is a great example. Much (though certainly not all) of the software they develop is open source.

Something like that, but fin general I meant was that closed source is more secure and much harder to crack. I would even say that this is almost impossible to do. So I choose this option

"Almost impossible"? That statement is false.

Closed-source software is not more secure. It is frequently cracked. Keep in mind that even closed-source software is accessible, perhaps not in its original form, but certainly in a form that can be analyzed and exploited.

Open-source software is safer because unlike closed-source software, there are many people looking at its security.

[Starkick]

Would you like others to see what's inside your underwear? I believe you don't like that. All of us needs privacy in our life.

Sounds great! These words can also explain my opinion on a closed source code. It became so popular to run all the new apps with an open source, but 1st - it's hard to monetize, 2nd - your idea can be stolen by the more experienced team, which will develop a better project and all your work will be simply ruined.

YES, overall closed source is much better than open source. And this is not only because no one will steal your idea. Often the customers themselves make changes to the open source and only add work to the developers.

In general, companies don't sell open source software. Companies that provide open source software sell support and consulting.

Many companies develop, use, or contribute to open source software because there are many benefits to letting others contribute to code you use and there is often no benefit to keeping it secret. Netflix is a great example. Much (though certainly not all) of the software they develop is open source.

Something like that, but fin general I meant was that closed source is more secure and much harder to crack. I would even say that this is almost impossible to do. So I choose this option

"Almost impossible"? That statement is false.

Closed-source software is not more secure. It is frequently cracked. Keep in mind that even closed-source software is accessible, perhaps not in its original form, but certainly in a form that can be analyzed and exploited.

Open-source software is safer because unlike closed-source software, there are many people looking at its security.

On the contrary, I saw information that closed source code is safer. Just because of its closed nature, and even code fragments are not shared. Although, I do not really understand this, maybe you are right.

[devil2man]

in reality I have nothing to hide but it bothers me very much that others see and are interested in my activities on the internet regarding cryptocurrencies which is why for me privacy is fundamental

[Sethrey]

in reality I have nothing to hide but it bothers me very much that others see and are interested in my activities on the internet regarding cryptocurrencies which is why for me privacy is fundamental

For sure you can choose what to share and what not. But it's hard when it goes to big corporations, that like to collect all the data. And when it goes to financial questions, it's better to use something encrypted as a small lack of information can lead to disaster.

[peter0425]

Would you like others to see what's inside your underwear? I believe you don't like that. All of us needs privacy in our life.

lol and  do OP likes others using His toothbrush?i'm sure now so Privacy always matter  in everything.

And do He want someone  will go inside  His room while he is sleeping and turn on the radio loudly?

Privacy is part of our living,yeah we need  exposure  but we also need time for our self alone.

[Starkick]

Would you like others to see what's inside your underwear? I believe you don't like that. All of us needs privacy in our life.

lol and  do OP likes others using His toothbrush?i'm sure now so Privacy always matter  in everything.

And do He want someone  will go inside  His room while he is sleeping and turn on the radio loudly?

Privacy is part of our living,yeah we need  exposure  but we also need time for our self alone.

Yes you are right. the internet is not a place to talk about privacy. The same goes for smartphones, surveillance cameras and more.

[Sethrey]

Yes you are right. the internet is not a place to talk about privacy. The same goes for smartphones, surveillance cameras and more.

Then where is the right place? Do you have much privacy in a real life? And in internet you can get it, no matter how wondering does it sound. You just have to do a great work and refuse from all the popular services online

[daneal stev]

We all concern us with privacy and protect ourselves when we work on the Internet, and it is good that Altecoin and alternative currencies provide the advantage of privacy and anonymity. In addition, you can protect ourselves and your privacy by using a paid proxy or a free VPN, but the paid proxy is safer. You can also protect yourself by using private browsers to hide the user’s identity, such as Tor Browser, and you should beware of sites that request to send personal information such as a passport photo or a picture of personal identity because it is possible that these sites are fraudulent and their aim is to steal personal information only

[Starkick]

Yes you are right. the internet is not a place to talk about privacy. The same goes for smartphones, surveillance cameras and more.

Then where is the right place? Do you have much privacy in a real life? And in internet you can get it, no matter how wondering does it sound. You just have to do a great work and refuse from all the popular services online

Even my son knows it. I believe that among all the popular services there is not a single really safe one. Everyone collects personal data in one way or another and monitors the activity of their users.

[Sethrey]

That would be interesting to everyone who's interested in Utopia p2p. An official interview with its developers was published https://medium.com/@utopiaP2P/utopias-creators-speech-5dce0047a3d6 Now we can find the answers to some of our questions. They still remain anonymous, but shared some interesting info.

[molder555]

Everyone in here matters their privacy, specially when it comes online because people you trust your identity into such as cetralized exchanges that requires us to submit a KYC before we could use their platform. I prefer that exchanges nowadays won't require a KYC but instead make them choose between submitting a KYC or not after all they just want their users to be safer but it's best for their clients to choose if they submit or not.

I only use VPN whenever connecting to a public WiFi for example free WiFi's on a cafe etc.
For my browser I use both Brave and the new Microsoft Edge just because they block ads and trackers. They also use less of your computer's memory and CPU which is nice.

[akram143]

Almost every apps are monitoring the user and mainly their location so I guess using of VPN will not be really helpful at that situation, either you need to uninstall the apps or forget about the privacy.But if we are surfing through browser on such sites it is possible to maintain our privacy with VPN subscriptions or usage of TOR.

[Ucy]

Yes you are right. the internet is not a place to talk about privacy. The same goes for smartphones, surveillance cameras and more.

Then where is the right place? Do you have much privacy in a real life? And in internet you can get it, no matter how wondering does it sound. You just have to do a great work and refuse from all the popular services online

There are lots of spaces to have real privacy in real life compared to the internet. You can't even compare both in that area. And it depends on where you live really.
You can be private in your physical home.. . Any stranger who disregards this and breaks into your home without your permission or without good reason has violated your privacy, plus others violations/crimes. The stranger could easily be penalized if you want to.     But it's pretty easy to violate this privacy on the internet in similar fashion (for example breaking into someone private properties like laptops, phone, internet devices etc) and not seen as a serious criminal. This makes the internet more dangerous than the real world esp in privacy area.

[Salauddin1994]

The number of hackers has increased in almost every field of work so privacy is very important to protect one's personal information. Internet users are now taking personal privacy seriously conscious Internet users hide their identities when participating in sensitive open discussions online and use other names in chat rooms to keep their identities secret. This allows them to easily track IDs and information which is why privacy is so important.

[Starkick]

That would be interesting to everyone who's interested in Utopia p2p. An official interview with its developers was published https://medium.com/@utopiaP2P/utopias-creators-speech-5dce0047a3d6 Now we can find the answers to some of our questions. They still remain anonymous, but shared some interesting info.

Damn, who are these guys and why are they hiding their faces? They are definitely pursuing good goals and they see they have enough money. I don't think there are many such people in the world. I tried to find information about them, but I couldn't.

[SMB1098]

as for VPN, i suggest NordVPN

[Sethrey]

Damn, who are these guys and why are they hiding their faces? They are definitely pursuing good goals and they see they have enough money. I don't think there are many such people in the world. I tried to find information about them, but I couldn't.

Of course you couldn't find any info Now we have 2 people to look for: Satoshi and Utopia devs. Maybe it's one person? And he really prepares the next Bitcoin, but no one believes in it. That's why I'm mining the Crypton as who knows what will happen next

[peter0425]

“A society in which people can be monitored at all times is a society that breeds conformity and obedience.” says Greenwald. For this reason I use monero

Yet no privacy and that is why we go forward in cryptocurrency because of this privacy.even what coins you are having but chooses to send KYC or other required by platforms still you are not private.

as for VPN, i suggest NordVPN

will check this one later because my VPN seems very slow nowadays.

[Starkick]

Of course you couldn't find any info Now we have 2 people to look for: Satoshi and Utopia devs. Maybe it's one person? And he really prepares the next Bitcoin, but no one believes in it. That's why I'm mining the Crypton as who knows what will happen next

It's a very exciting guess He's like Elon Mask, but in his niche and anonymous XD

[Sethrey]

Few days ago I've read that listing on BitForex was announced. As it's one of the best trading platforms, Crypton will get more trust and popularity. And I believe that it will lead to the rise of value. So we shouldn't stop mining as withdrawal process is much easier now.

[Starkick]

Well, I have some doubts about that. However, if you look at the situation as a whole, there is a possibility that this can really happen. Personally, I will observe, I don’t want to mine yet.

[Sethrey]

Well, I have some doubts about that. However, if you look at the situation as a whole, there is a possibility that this can really happen. Personally, I will observe, I don’t want to mine yet.

If you don't believe in BitForex listing, you can check the coin being list on CoinMarketCap https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/utopia/markets/ which is also very trusted. I'd start mining already if you don't do it yet. As the rate is not very high now and we can make it more valuable.

[Mauser]

I Feel like privacy matters quite alot but everything online nowadays requires verification so its really hard to stay anon. I hate needing to verify for things like paypal but it must be done.

Being online and having a social media footprint is a good thing. But more and more people become cautious about what to put online. Looking at the average Instagram profile you notice that these pictures don't show a normal life, rather a collection and selection of perfect pictures. Privacy is very important but people take it for granted too easily and only realise what they had when it's gone. Who wants to live in a world with a 100% surveillance? That's also why VPN became so attractive.

[aiguy]

Because the more someone knows about us, the more power they can have over us.

[FIFA worldcup]

I Feel like privacy matters quite alot but everything online nowadays requires verification so its really hard to stay anon. I hate needing to verify for things like paypal but it must be done.

Being online and having a social media footprint is a good thing. But more and more people become cautious about what to put online. Looking at the average Instagram profile you notice that these pictures don't show a normal life, rather a collection and selection of perfect pictures. Privacy is very important but people take it for granted too easily and only realise what they had when it's gone. Who wants to live in a world with a 100% surveillance? That's also why VPN became so attractive.

It's a basic right of an individual but as we are moving towards digital era, there is less privacy. Social media like Facebook, Instagram are the platforms where there is no privacy left and agents also gather these data for targeted marketing etc.
Also many people don't know what privacy is and they do not care about it much.

[aiguy]

Privacy is important because: Privacy gives us the power to choose our thoughts and feelings and who we share them with. Privacy protects our information we do not want shared publicly (such as health or personal finances). Privacy helps protect our physical safety (if our real time location data is private).

[Starkick]

Well, I have some doubts about that. However, if you look at the situation as a whole, there is a possibility that this can really happen. Personally, I will observe, I don’t want to mine yet.

If you don't believe in BitForex listing, you can check the coin being list on CoinMarketCap https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/utopia/markets/ which is also very trusted. I'd start mining already if you don't do it yet. As the rate is not very high now and we can make it more valuable.

Wow! It looks as if the developers have seriously decided to bring this coin to the top of the crypto market. It is worth starting mining now in order to have some savings when this coin skyrockets in value.

[Kamilaz]

Always, and I repeat, always prioritize your privacy.

[Sethrey]

And good news fro those who loves privacy and crypto. Utopia starts an airdrop today of its coin Crypton. So anyone can get some for a simple task done. I love such actions and I believe everyone love. So let's participate and become a little richer

[Starkick]

And good news fro those who loves privacy and crypto. Utopia starts an airdrop today of its coin Crypton. So anyone can get some for a simple task done. I love such actions and I believe everyone love. So let's participate and become a little richer

Cool! I definitely invest in this coin because I want to take risks and try to make money on the rapidly growing cryptocurrency. I've never done that.

[Starkick]

Thanks, this is a very helpful link. And now, I think, a very good opportunity has come to invest in this coin and get a good result. Have you invested in it?

[Sethrey]

I'm not ready to invest in anything for now. Especially while I can mine it without any additional iron. Run the soft and wait. That's great. But if everyone would only mine, the coin would not rise a lot. Hope that adding it to the trading platforms, will rise more interest from real investors.

[Starkick]

YES, of course you are right. Investing in this coin should not be ignored. She just won't grow up. But on the other hand, many users are afraid to lose even such small amounts of money.

[Mauser]

I'm not ready to invest in anything for now. Especially while I can mine it without any additional iron. Run the soft and wait. That's great. But if everyone would only mine, the coin would not rise a lot. Hope that adding it to the trading platforms, will rise more interest from real investors.

Mining will be less and less profitable in the future so it's better to look for alternative sources of income already. In my opinion it's good to get into trading early on to get some experience. Holding cryptos is a good alternative to Fiat but you don't get any income from it, except if the price is rising. To get some income from the coins we can use them to trade. 

[Sethrey]

Mining will be less and less profitable in the future so it's better to look for alternative sources of income already. In my opinion it's good to get into trading early on to get some experience. Holding cryptos is a good alternative to Fiat but you don't get any income from it, except if the price is rising. To get some income from the coins we can use them to trade. 

I'd agree with you. The price is about 20 cents now for 1 CRP so it won't take much to invest. Especially while crypto experts say that the coin is quite perspective. Maybe I'd invest in it soon as it's added to few trading platforms already. Thanks for a good advice.

[claire_lovely]

Here are some tools that I recommend for Privacy.

Logless VPN, it is important to find one that doesn't keep logs for ultimate privacy:
https://nordvpn.com/
https://mullvad.net/

Wasabi Wallet, a privacy focused BTC wallet that implements CoinJoin over Tor:
https://wasabiwallet.io/

If you can develop a network of people to trade with, then you can avoid centralized exchanges. I find the marketplaces of various forums to be useful in buying and selling products and services with BTC, this can let you earn BTC without going on exchanges like Coinbase and to also buy services without exposing personal information that may be stored on traditional payment services.

[Starkick]

Mining will be less and less profitable in the future so it's better to look for alternative sources of income already. In my opinion it's good to get into trading early on to get some experience. Holding cryptos is a good alternative to Fiat but you don't get any income from it, except if the price is rising. To get some income from the coins we can use them to trade. 

I'd agree with you. The price is about 20 cents now for 1 CRP so it won't take much to invest. Especially while crypto experts say that the coin is quite perspective. Maybe I'd invest in it soon as it's added to few trading platforms already. Thanks for a good advice.

Well, nobody knows the true development of events. The coin can both take off sharply and fail in an instant. Moreover, experts can be wrong too.

[Sethrey]

Well, nobody knows the true development of events. The coin can both take off sharply and fail in an instant. Moreover, experts can be wrong too.

But if you'll try to mine on a good PC, you'll see that even with such a low value, you can earn well on it. Like a good PC can bring you about 400-500$ montly with non-stop mining. And if to install additional mining bots, you can get even more. So it all depends on your wish.

[boyptc]

But if you'll try to mine on a good PC, you'll see that even with such a low value, you can earn well on it. Like a good PC can bring you about 400-500$ montly with non-stop mining. And if to install additional mining bots, you can get even more. So it all depends on your wish.

This is unlikely.

What type of mining you're going to do?

And far as the thread's concern, this is all about privacy not mining or anything relates to it.

[devendra.raju]

A few days ago I read an interesting article about an application that does not require any data at all. It seems to be called utopia p2p, but I have not heard anything about it. Maybe you know more about this application and can tell

As I've checked it unites all-in-one. I'm interested in mining  there as it seems to be nice. But I didn't found any info on the market about its inner coin called Crypton. So I'm not sure if it's worse to start mining. But what's good, I didn't find any negative info on it. So maybe it's exactly what I'm looking for in the means of privacy.

There are many sites that keep their information anonymous, which I don't think has any negative impact on them. Sites that are good protect their privacy. Bad sites usually try to propagate frequently for scams and show greed for various tactics.

Yeah You are right as we are improving Online Scams are increasing. I've saw report on BBC related to this. This is the main issue we should talk on.

[Starkick]

YES, it all depends on the desire and also on the power of my pc. For now, I doubt a little that he will pull out mining and will not break. I need to study this issue in more detail.

[Weber45]

Because the more someone knows about us, the more power they can have over us.

There is no complete anonymity when you understand this ... Do you want a scheme for anonymity? Set 2 vpn, dedicated server and 2 more vpn on it, anonymous OS and encrypt the hard disk. If they want to find you they will, the question is, do they need it?

[Mauser]

Here are some tools that I recommend for Privacy.

Logless VPN, it is important to find one that doesn't keep logs for ultimate privacy:
https://nordvpn.com/
https://mullvad.net/

Wasabi Wallet, a privacy focused BTC wallet that implements CoinJoin over Tor:
https://wasabiwallet.io/

If you can develop a network of people to trade with, then you can avoid centralized exchanges. I find the marketplaces of various forums to be useful in buying and selling products and services with BTC, this can let you earn BTC without going on exchanges like Coinbase and to also buy services without exposing personal information that may be stored on traditional payment services.

NordVPN is great, I am using it for month now and would recommend it to anyone who is trying to get more privacy when being online. In my opinion people don't think much about privacy until they have a problem. For example when being the target of an identity scam people would be much more private with their personal data. Without such problems it's very common to share everything these days, it's the time of social media.

[Sethrey]

This is unlikely.

What type of mining you're going to do?

And far as the thread's concern, this is all about privacy not mining or anything relates to it.

What do you mean with type of mining? Have you checked the soft? At least some information about it? And what concerns privacy, Utopia p2p main aim is to provide anonymity to people. And mining is as a good add-on.

[Starkick]

This is unlikely.

What type of mining you're going to do?

And far as the thread's concern, this is all about privacy not mining or anything relates to it.

What do you mean with type of mining? Have you checked the soft? At least some information about it? And what concerns privacy, Utopia p2p main aim is to provide anonymity to people. And mining is as a good add-on.

I think most of them didn't bother to google and find out more about this ecosystem. However, all information is on the surface. You can even find interviews with developers if you wish.

[boyptc]

This is unlikely.

What type of mining you're going to do?

And far as the thread's concern, this is all about privacy not mining or anything relates to it.

What do you mean with type of mining? Have you checked the soft? At least some information about it? And what concerns privacy, Utopia p2p main aim is to provide anonymity to people. And mining is as a good add-on.

Okay, let's not argue about privacy and it's you that's correct on that.

As for the mining, I just want to be educated with what you're saying about it. I've seen miners who are stopping because it's not profitable on them. Those are the gpu miners and that's why I'm asking what type of mining you are saying, gpu, cpu, asic mining, etc.

I'm asking to understand and be educated with what you're saying.

[Sethrey]

Okay, let's not argue about privacy and it's you that's correct on that.

As for the mining, I just want to be educated with what you're saying about it. I've seen miners who are stopping because it's not profitable on them. Those are the gpu miners and that's why I'm asking what type of mining you are saying, gpu, cpu, asic mining, etc.

I'm asking to understand and be educated with what you're saying.

Mining here works on proof of space, which means it doesn't overload the processor and uses a very small amount of memory. So, in such conditions, mining is really good. Moreover, in the latest version of Utopia, poker rooms were added where you can play using the mined Crypton and earn even more Very enjoyable thing.

[Starkick]

Have you tried playing yet? Is it even possible to find companies to play there? Or will I have to wait a lot of time?

[Sethrey]

If I'm not mistaken, there are some channels dedicated to poker and you can write there and find a company to play. Or I've also seen a good activity in rooms on week-end.

[Dsdaq]

It's important if for exchange to ask for identity information, because to prevent money laundering and fraudulent financial activity.

[Starkick]

If I'm not mistaken, there are some channels dedicated to poker and you can write there and find a company to play. Or I've also seen a good activity in rooms on week-end.

oh, interesting. Thanks for the information. By the way, how do you like poker? tried to play?

[peter0425]

Dear bitcointalkers, does privacy matters for you? When I started to trade btc I was sure it will always remain anonymous, but nowadays more and more exchangers ask for some identification documents for some reason.

Because KYC is also for our own safeties thats why Exchanges are asking us though some does not as long as we don't hit the limit of at least 5 bitcoin?i'm not sure bout exact amount.

It's important if for exchange to ask for identity information, because to prevent money laundering and fraudulent financial activity.

They are being obliged by the government so they need to comply or else they will be shut down.

[Sethrey]

oh, interesting. Thanks for the information. By the way, how do you like poker? tried to play?

Of course! I was waiting for it as it's a great addition to the soft. The best thing is that now there are not many people and even less pros. It's quite an easy deal to win all of them

[Starkick]

Sure! However, I noticed articles about this on poker sites and it seems to me that soon a lot of professionals will come to the utopia of winning.

[Sethrey]

I believe that more people will come if the developers will add tournments except of simple cash games. It's more interesting and popular.

[Starkick]

Yes, you are probably right. It's always better to play a tournament when you know the guaranteed jackpot amount.

[Sethrey]

By the way, guys, have you seen that ANN thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5286191.msg55504061#msg55504061 ?
Looks like something all-in-one private for all the needed things online!

[Starkick]

Really? Do they have ann tread? It is very convenient for those users who have any questions before installing the software. Hmm, apparently the developers want to show that they don't have any secrets.

[Sethrey]

I have some more good news, by the way. Just installed the latest update and found out that devs added the independent network core which is called UAM - Utopia Alternative Miner. According to their information, it will make all the processes work much faster. We'll get even more Crypton and will see less bugs and interruptions in the network actions.

[Starkick]

By the way, do you already know about the changes? Due to the improvement in the stability and speed of the ecosystem in the local browser, a closed paid forum was created.
http: //utalk/index.php. I advise you to mine crypts and register there, I think that all the current news will be published there first of all.

[Divya165]

Thanks for the community answer, It will be helpful to keep it up.

[Rob S Clinton]

Privacy Identity is important, you can more safe your asset if you anonymous.

[satsmainman]

Our privacy matters a lot and protecting it should be a great deal as a breached privacy could easily lead identity theft and mining of ones personal informations.

[Sethrey]

Our privacy matters a lot and protecting it should be a great deal as a breached privacy could easily lead identity theft and mining of ones personal informations.

Exactly that's why projects like Utopia p2p appear and develop. But for some reason, people looking for privacy need so many proofs that they're safe (and in the same time use Google, Facebook, etc., which track everyone and collect all the data), so as they don't believe in anything. That's very strange for me.

[Starkick]

Privacy Identity is important, you can more safe your asset if you anonymous.

Yes, you are absolutely right. That is why more and more attention is attracted by applications that can provide anonymity to their users.

[bitterguy28]

Privacy Identity is important, you can more safe your asset if you anonymous.

Yes, you are absolutely right. That is why more and more attention is attracted by applications that can provide anonymity to their users.

And besides all of us wanted to have privacy ,even celebrity that always expose to Public wants their privacy when off camera.

And of course you don't want everyone is looking at you,specially your assets that may attract Bad elements if expose how much you are handling.

[Sethrey]

And besides all of us wanted to have privacy ,even celebrity that always expose to Public wants their privacy when off camera.

And of course you don't want everyone is looking at you,specially your assets that may attract Bad elements if expose how much you are handling.

On the one hand, if you want privacy - don't post all your life online in Instagram, Twitter, Facebook. But people need some place to communicate and remain safe online. That's why I prefer using blockchain based encrypted apps.

[Ucy]

Privacy Identity is important, you can more safe your asset if you anonymous.

Yes, you are absolutely right. That is why more and more attention is attracted by applications that can provide anonymity to their users.

And besides all of us wanted to have privacy ,even celebrity that always expose to Public wants their privacy when off camera.

And of course you don't want everyone is looking at you,specially your assets that may attract Bad elements if expose how much you are handling.

And privacy on Public sphere could work in such a way that people could choose to become private/anonymous but their interactions with the public can be recorded, and saved on public system. The recorded activities have to be immutable, thoroughly encrypted, and the keys to decrypt them can only be controlled by their owners... or could be decrypted without their owners, mainly by the law enforcement agencies through the laws and public consensus, once their owners have committed serious crime.

[Starkick]

Privacy Identity is important, you can more safe your asset if you anonymous.

Yes, you are absolutely right. That is why more and more attention is attracted by applications that can provide anonymity to their users.

And besides all of us wanted to have privacy ,even celebrity that always expose to Public wants their privacy when off camera.

And of course you don't want everyone is looking at you,specially your assets that may attract Bad elements if expose how much you are handling.

And privacy on Public sphere could work in such a way that people could choose to become private/anonymous but their interactions with the public can be recorded, and saved on public system. The recorded activities have to be immutable, thoroughly encrypted, and the keys to decrypt them can only be controlled by their owners... or could be decrypted without their owners, mainly by the law enforcement agencies through the laws and public consensus, once their owners have committed serious crime.

Yes, but it's worth remembering the Snowden scandal to understand that the authorities seek to completely control people and gain access to all their data. The authorities almost always cover their actions with a legislative framework. And almost always, if you think about it, it violates human rights.

[Urod88]

Privacy is important because:
Privacy gives us the power to choose our thoughts and feelings and who we share them with.
Privacy protects our information we do not want shared publicly (such as health or personal finances).
Privacy helps protect our physical safety

[Nocoiner_01]

IMHO, Bitcoiners are the ones who should be the most concerned about privacy. The other day, I was talking to a mentor of mine who was interested in Bitcoin. Apparently, they'd bought some BTC on a run of the mill exchange and got it hacked. I suggested them to utilize a cold wallet and emphasized that if it's 'not your keys, then it's not your coins.' Exchanges are the go-to place for those who're looking to trade BTC, but if you're a long-time hodler, then DYOR and get yourself a hardware wallet.

Talking about privacy, there's so much going on with privacy coins now. Governments are on their tails so hot that exchanges are reacting by delisting them. ZEC and DASH got delisted by the exchange ShapeShift. What do you think about the future of privacy coins? XMR, ZEC, BDX, etc. and the ecosystems they support?

[Sethrey]

Privacy is important because:
Privacy gives us the power to choose our thoughts and feelings and who we share them with.
Privacy protects our information we do not want shared publicly (such as health or personal finances).
Privacy helps protect our physical safety

And can you share at least several online applications where you can keep all that data safe?

[7bhattasailesh]

There are lots of things that is going in ones daily life. Its not like we can sneak in everyones personal matter. Moreover taking example of an buisness man, he has to keep his buisness ideas, accounts, and his internal affairs private in order to prevent from any caution. Acting publicly might cause loss in intellectual information or loss of assets. It doesnot only applies to buisnessman. Its very important that every person privacy is mantained. Thera are some precious secrets, informations that need to be private and secure. So privacy is moreover like ones wealth that need to be kept impact and matters a lot.

[Starkick]

I agree with you. Privacy means a lot in today's world, even for ordinary users. Even through the inbox, you can access a lot of personal data. What can we say about supposedly safe popular applications, whose users are exposed to various cyber attacks every day. You can simply visit the darknet to see how much stolen identity is being sold there.

[kyleight]

Any personal information, from where you live, the number of family members, habit, behavior ... - what you think it does not hurt - is in fact money for those who want to use it. them.
When registering to use a certain service, you must accept providers to collect and use your data.

[Sethrey]

Any personal information, from where you live, the number of family members, habit, behavior ... - what you think it does not hurt - is in fact money for those who want to use it. them.
When registering to use a certain service, you must accept providers to collect and use your data.

Exactly that's why I prefer private cervices like this one https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5286191.msg55504061#msg55504061 No data collection as no data input is required. No privacy scandals. No complaints.

[bitterguy28]

Privacy Identity is important, you can more safe your asset if you anonymous.

Yes, you are absolutely right. That is why more and more attention is attracted by applications that can provide anonymity to their users.

And besides all of us wanted to have privacy ,even celebrity that always expose to Public wants their privacy when off camera.

And of course you don't want everyone is looking at you,specially your assets that may attract Bad elements if expose how much you are handling.

And privacy on Public sphere could work in such a way that people could choose to become private/anonymous but their interactions with the public can be recorded, and saved on public system. The recorded activities have to be immutable, thoroughly encrypted, and the keys to decrypt them can only be controlled by their owners... or could be decrypted without their owners, mainly by the law enforcement agencies through the laws and public consensus, once their owners have committed serious crime.

Yeah though my Point is at least "Celebrities also wanted a Privacy" even this was being denied to them everytime they are in public places .

and come a time that they need to at least Disguise just to make their doings not being bothered by medias and fans.

[Starkick]

Privacy Identity is important, you can more safe your asset if you anonymous.

Yes, you are absolutely right. That is why more and more attention is attracted by applications that can provide anonymity to their users.

And besides all of us wanted to have privacy ,even celebrity that always expose to Public wants their privacy when off camera.

And of course you don't want everyone is looking at you,specially your assets that may attract Bad elements if expose how much you are handling.

And privacy on Public sphere could work in such a way that people could choose to become private/anonymous but their interactions with the public can be recorded, and saved on public system. The recorded activities have to be immutable, thoroughly encrypted, and the keys to decrypt them can only be controlled by their owners... or could be decrypted without their owners, mainly by the law enforcement agencies through the laws and public consensus, once their owners have committed serious crime.

Yeah though my Point is at least "Celebrities also wanted a Privacy" even this was being denied to them everytime they are in public places .

and come a time that they need to at least Disguise just to make their doings not being bothered by medias and fans.

Yes, I support your point of view. Any person, even a public person, has the right to privacy. Just in the case of celebrities, more people are interested in gaining access to their personal lives. =)

[Sethrey]

It's not only about the celebrities, nowadays it's about all the people. Most of them don't care what information do they share on the internet. No matter it's a personal data or credit card information. So all of us need some online security.

[Starkick]

Well, of course you are absolutely right. Every user needs privacy and anonymity. Everyone wants to protect their personal data from falling into the hands of third parties. Therefore, everyone makes their own choice.

[Sethrey]

I don't know anyone who doesn't prioritize privacy  everyone should be safe and secured living their lives.

Telling the truth, there are many people who don't care at all.. That's strange, but it's like that. I can offer everyone to check a new promo website of Utopia p2p https://utopia-ecosystem.com/ where you can find info how to stay private and some more information on different types of secure entertainment.

[TheGhostMan]

These days privacy is paramount, even more so to carry out your money transactions, I recommend doing them using anonymous cryptocurrencies and in turn use the tor network, also changing your vpn with TunnelBear.

[Starkick]

Well, the Tor browser is banned in some countries, if I'm not mistaken. Therefore, I would like to use a legal alternative that bypasses blocking with the same success.

[Sethrey]

These days privacy is paramount, even more so to carry out your money transactions, I recommend doing them using anonymous cryptocurrencies and in turn use the tor network, also changing your vpn with TunnelBear.

Or you can us Idyll browser inside the Utopia p2p and stay absolutely safe. Now they've even added their own trading service that can be accessed through that browser. So it has more advantages than it had before. And the list of other websites can be found in Utopia channels.

[Starkick]

These days privacy is paramount, even more so to carry out your money transactions, I recommend doing them using anonymous cryptocurrencies and in turn use the tor network, also changing your vpn with TunnelBear.

Or you can us Idyll browser inside the Utopia p2p and stay absolutely safe. Now they've even added their own trading service that can be accessed through that browser. So it has more advantages than it had before. And the list of other websites can be found in Utopia channels.

Well, this is another confirmation that the developers did not decide to release another scam, which will last only a few months or a year. I will look forward to adding more coins.

[bitterguy28]

Privacy Identity is important, you can more safe your asset if you anonymous.

Yes, you are absolutely right. That is why more and more attention is attracted by applications that can provide anonymity to their users.

And besides all of us wanted to have privacy ,even celebrity that always expose to Public wants their privacy when off camera.

And of course you don't want everyone is looking at you,specially your assets that may attract Bad elements if expose how much you are handling.

And privacy on Public sphere could work in such a way that people could choose to become private/anonymous but their interactions with the public can be recorded, and saved on public system. The recorded activities have to be immutable, thoroughly encrypted, and the keys to decrypt them can only be controlled by their owners... or could be decrypted without their owners, mainly by the law enforcement agencies through the laws and public consensus, once their owners have committed serious crime.

Yeah though my Point is at least "Celebrities also wanted a Privacy" even this was being denied to them everytime they are in public places .

and come a time that they need to at least Disguise just to make their doings not being bothered by medias and fans.

Yes, I support your point of view. Any person, even a public person, has the right to privacy. Just in the case of celebrities, more people are interested in gaining access to their personal lives. =)

Yeah That's why Even Paparazzi are evading celebrities Life and privacies , entering their territory Illegally just to take photos and access to their living.

But Hoping People understand the Needs of privacy because even them wanted to have privacy.

[Sethrey]

Great news! Now we can join Crypton Exchange trading platform inside the Utopia ecosystem. CRP to USDT and vice versa.
It is the first native Utopia ecosystem service providing the secure and comfortable way to buy and sell Crypton cryptocurrency.
And of course soon another pairs for exchange will be added! We have to check for updates.

[Bnkr65]

For my anonymity I use tor and decentralized exchanges. I also try not to provide my personal data anywhere

[Starkick]

YES, but the use of Tor can also threaten the loss of personal data or the installation of malware. Therefore, many people prefer to use alternative applications.

[Terrell]

Privacy is foundational to who we are as human beings, and every day it helps us define our relationships with the outside world. It gives us space to be ourselves free of judgement, and allows us to think freely without discrimination. It gives us the freedom of autonomy, and to live in dignity.

[Sethrey]

Privacy is foundational to who we are as human beings, and every day it helps us define our relationships with the outside world. It gives us space to be ourselves free of judgement, and allows us to think freely without discrimination. It gives us the freedom of autonomy, and to live in dignity.

So where do you find that privacy? Especially during the latest scandals with WhatsApp. People for some reason decided to switch to Signal and Telegram both of which require a mobile number. It's a disaster for me when I have to add my phone number. So Utopia remains one of the best for me now.

[Starkick]

Well, especially considering the latest WhatsApp scandal, a lot of attention has been paid to other apps. Therefore, I can say that most of the popular applications are generally far from the concept of security.

[Sethrey]

Fully agree. Even Telegram and Signal both require a mobile number for registration.. But people trust it because of its popularity, that's strange for me. Isn't it better to choose something really safe as I think they'll made the same step as WhatsApp did sooner or later.. If Utopia would have a mobile app already, it would be in the list of main alternatives, I'm 100% sure.

[faulkner27]

Everyone has some expectation of privacy. We don't want to indiscriminately share every single aspect of our lives with everyone else.
But as we move more of activities online, there is an ever increasing portion of our lives which is being recorded by corporations and governments, and these records can be used to our disadvantage, at any time, now or any-time in the future. Essentially, we're now in an information arms race. But unlike other historical analogies that might be cited, the scale of our storage and processing capabilities are immense and extremely powerful, and that changes the game.

[PEANUTUT]

Privacy is a kind of personal information that has nothing to do with public interest and group interest, and the party does not want others to know or it is inconvenient for others to know.

[Starkick]

By the way, exchange platform was added to a usual web already. So anyone who's interested can check all the information by the next address https://crp.is/ It's a smart step, I guess as people could check everything and then decide whether they're interested. If yes - download the soft and start mining, if not - then not

[Sethrey]

Nice to hear that. Moreover a secured file storage had appeared in Utopia. You can upload anything you want from there absolutely free and anonymous. The only thing is that in order to make that thing completely safe, it can be accessed through the Idyll browser only.

[Starkick]

Cool! Also, I find that CRP was added to another cryptocurrency exchange https://cryptex.net/trade/CRPUSD . The number of sites that trust this coin is growing, and developers are devoting time to development not only inside but also outside of the software

[Sethrey]

Do you really think that exchanges and trading platforms choose and decide on coins by themselves and contact the owner? Ofc not. The Utopia devs have to pay to each platform in order to get listed. That's why they've created their own exchange also. As they know they don't have enough money to get listed on top websites.

[Starkick]

For a self-funded project, it is really unprofitable to invest in advertising or placing coins on third-party sites. However, I think that the developers ' decision was justified, slowly but surely they will develop their coin.

[Sethrey]

Look, having your own exchange doesn't give any profit to you. As adding your coin to popular exchanges won't happen if you'll only pay for it. Every exchange checks if your coin will be profitable to them as they have a percent from each exchange. And if it's a bulls**t - no one will add it. If it was listed - it was trusted.

[tastycereal]

A few days ago I read an interesting article about an application that does not require any data at all. It seems to be called utopia p2p, but I have not heard anything about it. Maybe you know more about this application and can tell

what application is this? Sounds fascinating tho...

[semobo]

A few days ago I read an interesting article about an application that does not require any data at all. It seems to be called utopia p2p, but I have not heard anything about it. Maybe you know more about this application and can tell

what application is this? Sounds fascinating tho...

If you are looking for a non KYC crypto p2p then Localcryptos is the best option for you, don't trust the random websites which arise at the time of bull run.

[Starkick]

A few days ago I read an interesting article about an application that does not require any data at all. It seems to be called utopia p2p, but I have not heard anything about it. Maybe you know more about this application and can tell

what application is this? Sounds fascinating tho...

Oh, we have been discussing this application here for a long time. Frankly speaking , for a non-profit and self-funded system, they released a lot of updates over the last year. In general, you can find out more here https://utopia-ecosystem.com/

[Sethrey]

Many updates is good, but what about a mobile application? Now when everyone are looking what to choose instead of WhatsApp - they could hype on that if they'd release mobile version now. But seems like nothing was made till now and probably it won't be released even in 2021.. Maybe they've decided to stop on what they already have?

[Starkick]

YES, I absolutely agree with you! However, I think that developing a mobile app is a little more difficult than building a website, for example. Therefore, I think that the development of the application is proceeding as quickly as possible in order to reduce the number of possible bugs.

[Sethrey]

By the way, have you tried a built-in exchange? Or you don't mine. I'm interested in how fast it proceeds and where can I get USDT. On any wallet I have? And is there any commission for the transfer?

[minurre]

I use the operating system Tails and the Tor browser, that's all I can do

[Starkick]

By the way, have you tried a built-in exchange? Or you don't mine. I'm interested in how fast it proceeds and where can I get USDT. On any wallet I have? And is there any commission for the transfer?

No, unfortunately, I haven't exchanged the coin yet. However, given the different experience of crypto operations within the ecosystem, I think the exchange will happen as quickly as anything else..

[bitterguy28]

For a self-funded project, it is really unprofitable to invest in advertising or placing coins on third-party sites. However, I think that the developers ' decision was justified, slowly but surely they will develop their coin.

but when ? though there is certainty but we must know when it comes to be profitable .

By the way, have you tried a built-in exchange? Or you don't mine. I'm interested in how fast it proceeds and where can I get USDT. On any wallet I have? And is there any commission for the transfer?

Sorry but what is Built in exchange ?

[Sethrey]

Sorry but what is Built in exchange ?

Utopia developers created a built-in exchange for Crypton. It's available inside their software or from the usual browser. Here you can find it https://crp.is/ It would be really great if they will add other pairs for exchange also. As I liked the design and easiness of exchange. Moreover, it works really fast.

[Mituletr]

I think privacy is very important and can make transactions feel safe.

[Starkick]

Of course, privacy is very important. Also, it provides security not only for transactions, but for the entire browsing experience as a whole.

[Joshua01]

We will develop an identity that lacks privacy and is under surveillance. We must decide whether we want to live in a society that treats any behavior as a data point to be analyzed and treats it as a currency for transactions. . The more we tolerate this long-term tracking behavior, the harder it is for us to change the erosion of technology on our daily lives

[cabron]

Before we discuss the importance of privacy, we must understand how privacy is produced and what it means to us.
First of all, people’s awareness of privacy is not born. We didn’t have privacy when we were young, and we were unaware of this need. At that time, we were dominated and controlled. At this time, we are attached to both mentally and physically. parents,
When our personality is gradually perfected and economically independent, the need for privacy will gradually become stronger. In other words, the existence of privacy is a sign that we have begun to control our lives.
The existence of privacy is also an expression of the need for security. For mammals, their fragile abdomen and resting nest are their privacy, which is related to their survival. For human beings, privacy is even more a spiritual need to satisfy. Privacy includes their personal information and the past, which can deduce individual behavior patterns and weaknesses. When privacy is leaked, we feel dominated and threatened. We will first become fearful and then become angry.
So privacy is extremely important to any of us, and respect for privacy is the prerequisite for all good relationships.

Most traders are registering their names on centralized exchanges that basically ask for KYC but DEX is gradually having great volumes these days. Bisq exchange can reach up to millions sometimes and billions on swapping platforms if combined. The ones that value privacy are the ones who uses these platforms because they look at the future of where regulations could go. Privacy matters just as these people only use social media with empty data on the profile.

[Sethrey]

For all those who were unsure in Utopia p2p, they've created a public chat in telegram - https://t.me/utopiachatoff Now all the questions can be asked from active users and developers team there. A very convenient way of communication.

[ROSE B]

Privacy is very important, because if there is no privacy, each of us is equivalent to a transparent person. Everyone has no secrets of their own, and their identities and various information will be exposed, which may be used by malicious people. Doing bad things will not only cause harm to others, but also cause harm to yourself.

[Starkick]

For all those who were unsure in Utopia p2p, they've created a public chat in telegram - https://t.me/utopiachatoff Now all the questions can be asked from active users and developers team there. A very convenient way of communication.

I looked - there are almost 5,000 active users in their chat, this is a very good result for an almost unknown application. Especially while waiting for the release of the mobile version.

[Nambuwan]

Privacy is the degree to which an individual can determine which personal information is to be shared with whom and for what purpose. Although always a concern when users pass confidential information to vendors by phone, mail or online, the Internet brought this issue to the forefront.

[TOM Bb]

In my opinion, privacy is very important, because everyone has their own secrets and privacy. If we leak our privacy, we will suffer a certain loss. In more serious cases, we may suffer a certain amount of harm. Therefore, in life, we must pay attention to protecting our privacy.

[Sethrey]

In my opinion, privacy is very important, because everyone has their own secrets and privacy. If we leak our privacy, we will suffer a certain loss. In more serious cases, we may suffer a certain amount of harm. Therefore, in life, we must pay attention to protecting our privacy.

These days it's not only about losing some personal information. It can end in losing credit cards and payment data, which can be really serious. That's why I believe that i2p or p2p applications are the best way out to stay more protected.

[TOM Bb]

Privacy is a kind of personal information that has nothing to do with public interest or group interests, and the party does not want others to know or is inconvenient for others to know. (It can only be disclosed to those with confidentiality obligations). The person concerned does not want others to invade or inconvenience others to invade personal areas.

[BETTY B]

Privacy is really important. Everyone has things that cannot be disclosed. Regardless of what they are, they should respect each other, and some people will change because of the leakage of privacy. Personalities or other habits will change, which may affect In his lifetime, different people will have different results, so it is better to keep your privacy, and if you offend others' privacy, you must take follow-up measures to eliminate it in time. Privacy is really important!

[ROSE B]

Privacy is not only something we use to enjoy. It is a necessity for us, and it affects: what kind of person we develop into, what kind of identity we establish without any direct or indirect influence of society, and what we want to live in Such a society.

[MRKVPS]

Sounds weird to even say this, but do you think that privacy really exists?
Have you seen the movie "Snowden"? It's based on true facts.
In a world where any government can hack your phone camera and see you live without you even noticing, I'd say privacy is just what we tell ourselves we have in order to sleep better at night. It's non-existent.

Sure, you can go and live in the mountains without Internet nor electricity, but for how long? Is that even life for the regular modern citizen of the world?

Instead of talking about why privacy matters, what you should really do is ask yourself if if really does indeed exists.

[Starkick]

Sounds weird to even say this, but do you think that privacy really exists?
Have you seen the movie "Snowden"? It's based on true facts.
In a world where any government can hack your phone camera and see you live without you even noticing, I'd say privacy is just what we tell ourselves we have in order to sleep better at night. It's non-existent.

Sure, you can go and live in the mountains without Internet nor electricity, but for how long? Is that even life for the regular modern citizen of the world?

Instead of talking about why privacy matters, what you should really do is ask yourself if if really does indeed exists.

You are absolutely right. Big Brother is watching everyone, but that doesn't mean that we should still contribute to it! Why use apps like WhatsApp knowing they collect personal data? It is much safer to use encrypted apps -p2p or i2p

[Sethrey]

Privacy is really important. Everyone has things that cannot be disclosed. Regardless of what they are, they should respect each other, and some people will change because of the leakage of privacy. Personalities or other habits will change, which may affect In his lifetime, different people will have different results, so it is better to keep your privacy, and if you offend others' privacy, you must take follow-up measures to eliminate it in time. Privacy is really important!

For sure, as have you heard of the latest Facebook scandal with data leak? I've heard that even Zuckerberg's mobile phone number became public. That's why I think such projects like Utopia p2p become more important and useful.

[Mauser]

Privacy is not only something we use to enjoy. It is a necessity for us, and it affects: what kind of person we develop into, what kind of identity we establish without any direct or indirect influence of society, and what we want to live in Such a society.

I agree, privacy is very important for all of us. We take it for granted until we start to lose our privacy. The most important thing for me right now during home office is using a VPN, I spend a lot of time on the internet. So not exposing too much personal data is very important.

[TOM Bb]

Privacy is a kind of personal information that has nothing to do with public interest or group interests, and the party does not want others to know or is inconvenient for others to know, (only disclosed to those with confidentiality obligations) that the party does not want others to interfere or inconveniently interfere with personal matters, and The person concerned does not want others to invade or inconvenience others to invade personal areas.

[ROSE B]

Protecting citizens' right to privacy is a requirement of social development, which can promote social harmony and maintain social stability;
Protecting citizens' right to privacy is an advancement in the rule of law, which is conducive to realizing the rule of law.

[patientforzhou]

Protecting privacy is a respect for human freedom and dignity. If your privacy is leaked, isn't it the same as your private key leaked? Haha.

[Starkick]

Have you seen that a new feature called Utopia Deep Links was added? As I've understood, it's a link that can be generated and shared even in a clean net in order to perform any action in Utopia with 1 click. Seems like something really useful.

[Arvin01]

Because in the past, it was a small-scale "acquaintance society" that relied on direct contact between people to exchange information; even if personal privacy information was leaked, the harm would not be great (but there are still many poor people who are driven to death by rumors).
But now, with the benefit of the Internet, the flow of information is too easy and too fast. This makes people become "Internet celebrities" if they are not careful
What's more serious is that it is different from the past "personal information is mostly spread within the range of acquaintances", and the source of privacy leaks is also limited to a few channels such as "face-to-face communication" and "listening to the wall"; in the Internet era, personal information will be spread among mass strangers , And either using program loopholes, or using data analysis, or unintentionally leaking through other inadequate relatives and friends, you can touch a person's situation seven or eight eight-the sharpness of human flesh search, senior netizens should have a deep understanding -Not to mention the use of big data analysis, others can even dig out a certain tendency in your subconscious, to "know you better than yourself."

[Sethrey]

Have you heard that another bounty campaign had just started?

Bounty dates:
12rd April 2021 to 7nd June 2021 (8 weeks)

The allocation is as follows:
Signature Campaign : 50%
Blogging (Medium, Reddit and others) : 20%
Video Creation : 20%
Twitter : 10%

All the other data can be found in the ANN thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5330069.0#subject_56764666

Let's earn some money!

[Starkick]

I will be happy to study the information about this drawing and I think that I will be happy to take part in it. I have no reason not to trust the developers. thanks

[Sethrey]

Which drawing do you mean? And why you think of believing in devs or not?
Bounty means gaining coins almost for nothing. What can go wrong here?

[easemypain]

This is why we use listing companies like Bitquick (https://www.bitquick.co/) or LocalBitcoins (https://localbitcoins.com/)... so that the exchanging is done in private, yet is protected by escrow from the listing company.

,
Even the listing companies you mentioned above have started requesting for forms of identification before any transactions.
Well, I feel its the best thing to do, despite the escrow system used by the listing companies.

[Starkick]

Which drawing do you mean? And why you think of believing in devs or not?
Bounty means gaining coins almost for nothing. What can go wrong here?

I may have expressed myself incorrectly, but I have studied the campaign conditions in more detail and have already chosen what I will participate in. Have you made your choice?

[hornetsnest]

Privacy=yes=dignity  Anonymity=no=unaccountability

[bitterguy28]

Which drawing do you mean? And why you think of believing in devs or not?
Bounty means gaining coins almost for nothing. What can go wrong here?

Because bounty Is not a pure gaining but instead this is a risk factor so be it.

What went wrong? this is because Hunters mostly stupid enough to Just join projects they did not make a deep research.

Privacy is a Must in crypto .

[shoreno]

we have the same thoughts . all the time i thought btc was full anonymous but later on i found the truth about the btc and types of exchanges . centralized exchanges can add in to make btc less anonymous but theres always decentralized exchanges that we can use if privacy matters to you  or you can use fully anonymous coins such as monero . for anonymous browsers you can use brave or mozilla . vpn is effective too to mask your privacy , you can use nord premium vpn   . the rest may require change in o.s and adding personal security ( password , fingerprint , etc .. )

[Sethrey]

we have the same thoughts . all the time i thought btc was full anonymous but later on i found the truth about the btc and types of exchanges . centralized exchanges can add in to make btc less anonymous but theres always decentralized exchanges that we can use if privacy matters to you  or you can use fully anonymous coins such as monero . for anonymous browsers you can use brave or mozilla . vpn is effective too to mask your privacy , you can use nord premium vpn   . the rest may require change in o.s and adding personal security ( password , fingerprint , etc .. )

And hadn't you thought that Utopia p2p has all this stuff in one place? decentralization, its own exchange, private coin, safe browser, etc. For some reason we got used to trusting only something popular. While such projects also exist and face no privacy scandals.

[Starkick]

Which drawing do you mean? And why you think of believing in devs or not?
Bounty means gaining coins almost for nothing. What can go wrong here?

Because bounty Is not a pure gaining but instead this is a risk factor so be it.

What went wrong? this is because Hunters mostly stupid enough to Just join projects they did not make a deep research.

Privacy is a Must in crypto .

Yes, you may be right. Quite often, developers use bounties to attract users to unreliable projects. However, at the moment, the network has enough information about utopia. And there is no direct advertising due to the fact that the project is non-commercial and self-funded.

[bitterguy28]

Which drawing do you mean? And why you think of believing in devs or not?
Bounty means gaining coins almost for nothing. What can go wrong here?

Because bounty Is not a pure gaining but instead this is a risk factor so be it.

What went wrong? this is because Hunters mostly stupid enough to Just join projects they did not make a deep research.

Privacy is a Must in crypto .

Yes, you may be right. Quite often, developers use bounties to attract users to unreliable projects. However, at the moment, the network has enough information about utopia. And there is no direct advertising due to the fact that the project is non-commercial and self-funded.

Thats the point mate , Scammers uses Bounty hunters to lure investors and take their money but don't mind even paying the hunters with small part of their scammed funds.

Hunters are always the victim of their own diligence .

[Luka010]

I think privacy is very important just becacuse its giving us confidence because againe its giving us sence of security. This allows us to focus more on whats important, gain out confidence and simpply focus on a goals ahead of us. This is amazing thing and everybody should focus on this more.

[Sethrey]

I think privacy is very important just becacuse its giving us confidence because againe its giving us sence of security. This allows us to focus more on whats important, gain out confidence and simpply focus on a goals ahead of us. This is amazing thing and everybody should focus on this more.

Can you share any privacy means you've found? Or it is as usual, dozens of steps like VPN, proxy, password managers, secured messengers, etc.?

[Starkick]

Which drawing do you mean? And why you think of believing in devs or not?
Bounty means gaining coins almost for nothing. What can go wrong here?

Because bounty Is not a pure gaining but instead this is a risk factor so be it.

What went wrong? this is because Hunters mostly stupid enough to Just join projects they did not make a deep research.

Privacy is a Must in crypto .

Yes, you may be right. Quite often, developers use bounties to attract users to unreliable projects. However, at the moment, the network has enough information about utopia. And there is no direct advertising due to the fact that the project is non-commercial and self-funded.

Thats the point mate , Scammers uses Bounty hunters to lure investors and take their money but don't mind even paying the hunters with small part of their scammed funds.

Hunters are always the victim of their own diligence .

On the other hand, I believe that not all crypto projects can be deceptive. Therefore, I believe that until there is clear evidence, it is wrong to draw unambiguous conclusions.

[peter0425]

Which drawing do you mean? And why you think of believing in devs or not?
Bounty means gaining coins almost for nothing. What can go wrong here?

Nah , if you know where to place yourself then you may gain coins and not for nothing .

the problem is Hunters usually taking their time to nonsense project because of their own  laziness in findng a good one.

[Dusang1998]

All centralized exchanges require you to complete KYC due to legal reason, to prevent money washing. It's ok if they only use our personal information for verifying and only provide our information to legal departments when they are required. But by some way, i many times see exchange user information are sell, it's such a big problem.

its always better to have some extra protection...

[Sethrey]

its always better to have some extra protection...

Extra protection by providing your personal data for verification? Who will be more protected with that?

[Starkick]

Well, only those who do not consider it something dangerous. =)

[Chato1977]

Well, only those who do not consider it something dangerous. =)

Or those who cares nothing in particular 

Privacy is all that matter to people that literally loves His Life and Family.

[Shasha80]

I am tired of transactions at banks that always ask for personal information, so all my financial transactions are always under surveillance.
And I feel uncomfortable if carrying out a large number of transactions is suspected that I am making an illegal transaction. I felt like I was
being treated like a criminal, there was no privacy or freedom I could feel. That's why since getting to know Bitcoin, I feel like my privacy is
more protected, but since several exchanges started implementing KYC. I started feeling uncomfortable again, especially as some exchanges
were known to sell their users personal information.

[Dowox]

I use OS Tails when I want to achieve the highest level of privacy. VPN seems to me a very weak protection, it is better to use TOR network !

[jrrsparkles]

I am tired of transactions at banks that always ask for personal information, so all my financial transactions are always under surveillance.
And I feel uncomfortable if carrying out a large number of transactions is suspected that I am making an illegal transaction. I felt like I was
being treated like a criminal, there was no privacy or freedom I could feel. That's why since getting to know Bitcoin, I feel like my privacy is
more protected, but since several exchanges started implementing KYC. I started feeling uncomfortable again, especially as some exchanges
were known to sell their users personal information.

Still people don't get the importance of decentralization and privacy that is why they are talking that giving KYC is okay for most of the things, which can't be agreed completely to be honest. We are too far away from achieving the decentralization in the crypto community but for sure it will happen someday.

[Sethrey]

And what do you think about chia coin? Like green mining and all that hype around it. But people say that it ruins PC in a few months. While Crypton for example requires only internet for mining and is available for exchange and withdrawal. I'm exaggerated.

[ARTURVHt]

Privacy is really important. Everyone has things that cannot be disclosed. Regardless of what they are, they should respect each other. Also, because privacy is leaked, some people will change, personality or other habits will change, which may affect In his lifetime, different people will have different results, so it is better to keep your privacy

[ROBERT B]

What is privacy? Do not attribute all human privacy to shame, illegality, or evil. Some human privacy is physical behavior or born with, coupled with acquired traditional education, the undisclosed secrets that everyone knows are regarded as privacy, which is more conducive to the progress of human civilization.

[Starkick]

And what do you think about chia coin? Like green mining and all that hype around it. But people say that it ruins PC in a few months. While Crypton for example requires only internet for mining and is available for exchange and withdrawal. I'm exaggerated.

This is why I consider Crypton to be a greener coin. Because for its mining, you ONLY need a PC and the Internet. About Chia coin, there is already a lot of news that when mining it, the SSD wears out too quickly.

[Sethrey]

What is privacy? Do not attribute all human privacy to shame, illegality, or evil. Some human privacy is physical behavior or born with, coupled with acquired traditional education, the undisclosed secrets that everyone knows are regarded as privacy, which is more conducive to the progress of human civilization.

Sure, you're right here. But in this case, we speak about online privacy, not about the one in a real life. And there are many people, which don't think it's something important. But just imagine how much personal data we keep online. All social media, online payments, phone tracking, and much more. If this data will get into the wrong hands, no one knows what will happen.

[Starkick]

And I would also like to point out the fact that global corporations make a lot of money from this data. People are unlikely to give strangers the keys to their home, but they are happy to provide their data.

[Sethrey]

Not many people understand the real situation. They believe that being online means no one will find them ever. Until they're hacked or their payment data is stolen, most of them will never learn anything about online security.

[MCobian]

Sometimes we find happiness when making financial transactions anonymously, because it is not convenient if all the transactions we do are
always supervised by third parties. So from that, when I first learned about Bitcoin, I was quite surprised by what Bitcoin has to offer.
We can control our own finances and most importantly our privacy is maintained when making transactions using Bitcoin. We can make
transactions without giving up anything regarding personal information, but the government doesn't like what Bitcoin has to offer.
Even so, the government cannot do anything, because until now no one has been able to control Bitcoin.

[greenslope]

I can't wait for my mandatory smart toilets to guarantee and control that I follow the proper diet of my benevolent and caring authorities.

[hornetsnest]

I can't wait for my mandatory smart toilets to guarantee and control that I follow the proper diet of my benevolent and caring authorities.

Yes the new common health,security,safety and eco order will ensure no poop will will be left behind

[greenslope]

It's worst than I could even imagine:

Alison McDowell: The Technocratic Takeover Decoded - Ice Age Farmer Podcast

https://odysee.com/@iceagefarmer:42/alison-mcdowell-the-technocratic:3

Summary: digital surveillance fascism to literally end human individual liberties on earth, the whole narrated as "impact investment" and for our own good and happiness...

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/05/fighting-disciplinary-technologies

"disciplinary technologies", the EFF just lack the understanding about the financialization aspect.

next global h2o rationing?

[Starkick]

Sometimes we find happiness when making financial transactions anonymously, because it is not convenient if all the transactions we do are
always supervised by third parties. So from that, when I first learned about Bitcoin, I was quite surprised by what Bitcoin has to offer.
We can control our own finances and most importantly our privacy is maintained when making transactions using Bitcoin. We can make
transactions without giving up anything regarding personal information, but the government doesn't like what Bitcoin has to offer.
Even so, the government cannot do anything, because until now no one has been able to control Bitcoin.

I agree. However, what to do with non-ecological mining? And I am also concerned about the fact that the bitcoin exchange rate is changing very quickly.

[Xinarae*]

Not many people understand the real situation. They believe that being online means no one will find them ever. Until they're hacked or their payment data is stolen, most of them will never learn anything about online security.

Protecting privacy in online work is very easy no one can know anyone's information unless they share their personal information with others. In the world of crypto everything is anonymous and no one can control it although crypto is banned in many places, the privacy of online use is very secure.

[peter0425]

I can't wait for my mandatory smart toilets to guarantee and control that I follow the proper diet of my benevolent and caring authorities.

Yes the new common health,security,safety and eco order will ensure no poop will will be left behind

hahahaha.. I also don't wanna my Poop leave behind 

Not many people understand the real situation. They believe that being online means no one will find them ever. Until they're hacked or their payment data is stolen, most of them will never learn anything about online security.

That's completely wrong . scam and hacking happens every now and then so how come that people wont even bother understand the risk?

[Chato1977]

I don't know why this is still a topic when the only question that must be answered is "Do you Really want your personality to be exposed?"

if not then you already knew the answer for this question.

Privacy is what the reason why we are all here in crypto, anbd privacy is also the reason why we are staying long inside this market.

[XavierLaurent]

As Tom Scott once said: Privacy will be dead by 2030.
And it doesn't matter really. Most of your private info is already in the web, mobile carriers sell your phone numbers, browser add-ons customize your ads at the very least. You'll live.

[Mauser]

As Tom Scott once said: Privacy will be dead by 2030.
And it doesn't matter really. Most of your private info is already in the web, mobile carriers sell your phone numbers, browser add-ons customize your ads at the very least. You'll live.

But why doesn't it matter anymore? I feel like privacy is always important, at least some form of it. It will be so much easier for scammers to extract our information and use it against us. Identity theft is already a big issue today and will grow if our data is keep getting stored. While I can understand that some people say that privacy is going to disappear it depends on all of us to fight back. If the people say that privacy is important something needs to change.

[hornetsnest]

Privacy=yes=dignity  Anonymity=no=unaccountability

 

[Sethrey]

Protecting privacy in online work is very easy no one can know anyone's information unless they share their personal information with others. In the world of crypto everything is anonymous and no one can control it although crypto is banned in many places, the privacy of online use is very secure.

I won't agree with you. There are a lot of online wallets, which require personal data for bigger transactions. And uploading your passport means sharing everything about you. That's why I prefer projects like Utopia p2p where none of your information is required for anything.

[Starkick]

I agree with your ideas. For a reason, Darkweb is popular among users. Yes, of course, you can find a large number of illegal things there, but then the Utopia P2P is a more convenient replacement for it.

[Sethrey]

I agree with your ideas. For a reason, Darkweb is popular among users. Yes, of course, you can find a large number of illegal things there, but then the Utopia P2P is a more convenient replacement for it.

I won't say it's more convenient as you have to upload 200Mb+ soft. Tor is more trustworthy as it's a worldwide known project. But the convenience of Utopia is in a wider range of functions and probably in the best encryption.

[Starkick]

Maybe I'm being subjective. However, I still don't really trust THOR. However, I was forced to use it. Now there are alternatives and I want to find a better one.

[PrimRock]

Privacy does matter because you don't want someone to know the places you visit regularly and how often you visit or what you do, not do, etc.
Someone with ill-intentions coming to know about your plans can make things worse for you very easily.

[Witchlist]

I don't want others to know what i like and deslike that creates conflict very easily.

[Remsjack]

Privacy is necessary to be yourself, truly yourself. If you know someone is watching, or if you think that someone could be watching, you won't act the same.

[Chato1977]

I don't want others to know what i like and deslike that creates conflict very easily.

it is not even about the conflict but our things to be broadcast with others.

and also our personal things belongs to us and for nothing .

Privacy is necessary to be yourself, truly yourself. If you know someone is watching, or if you think that someone could be watching, you won't act the same.

Yeah you got it right there mate , we will never act the same anymore because we will consider them to please.

[Love3angle]

Localbitcoins is a shit. Their politics now force all the users to upload the id documents. Even if you want to make a small deal for 20$ you have to upload the documents and prove it is you.

What concerns Telegram, it's been a long time I don't believe in it. So many data leaks and no one is gonna improve the  soft. If you give your phone number, be ready to be tracked.

lol where did localbitcoins came in between. But yea KYC sucks especially in crypto space.

[Sethrey]

lol where did localbitcoins came in between. But yea KYC sucks especially in crypto space.

I've just told a single example, that's it. The same situation is happening to many other services connected to the crypto world. If you want to deal with your coins - please provide your personal data. And what if I prefer to remain anonymous?

[Starkick]

Then the number of options for mining is rapidly decreasing =) On the other hand, the choice becomes easier and clearer.

[tyr0699]

Privacy is a big problem in all aspects of using the internet or anything that is related, you are being tracked even when you are speaking near a smartphone, I and my friends did an experiment a few years back, we start speaking about apples with our phones on the table, that check the google search on our phone, the first suggestion was apples... for all of us, I just hope that decentralized blockchain technology  will get more accessible for the end-user, so at least our data stat is stored on the internet would be safer, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5344159.msg57244363#msg57244363 these guys are doing something that could change the game a bit in the future, just hope that more will follow

[boyptc]

lol where did localbitcoins came in between. But yea KYC sucks especially in crypto space.

I've just told a single example, that's it. The same situation is happening to many other services connected to the crypto world. If you want to deal with your coins - please provide your personal data. And what if I prefer to remain anonymous?

That's the sad reality.

Exchanges before that don't ask for KYC started to ask KYC because they were forced by the government.

It's now a good memory that when a lot of exchanges don't force its users to comply to KYC. But still, there are good exchanges that don't enforce it.

[MainJade]

All centralized exchanges require you to complete KYC due to legal reason

Yes that sucks

[Sethrey]

It's now a good memory that when a lot of exchanges don't force its users to comply to KYC. But still, there are good exchanges that don't enforce it.

That's why I believe Utopia P2P https://u.is/ created their own exchange inside of their software. For now, it's just a beginning, but it really works fast and well. I believe it's also a kind of a future as I've already faced a number of problems with big trading platforms. And here everything is absolutely anonymous.

[KarmaIsme]

Privacy is very necessary but as the day passes gov is taking more control of our privacy it'll for sure be like it's shown in Movies

*Project Genocidal Organ
*Anon

[Starkick]

That's why I want to look for more reliable and independent applications. Those that do not depend on the state, for example. Therefore, independent and non-commercial Utopia p2p -type applications are probably the best solution.

[KingofVayne]

KYC in crypto exchanges and gambling websites sucks.

RIP privacy

[KillBalls2]

what makes you think it does not?

[Sethrey]

That's why I want to look for more reliable and independent applications. Those that do not depend on the state, for example. Therefore, independent and non-commercial Utopia p2p -type applications are probably the best solution.

Agree. At least they try to provide as much privacy as possible. While many others can only give promises and do nothing. It's hard to check if something is really secured or not until you try it.

[Starkick]

After all, there has already been a similar situation in history. For example, when bitcoin appeared and the entire community reacted to it with skepticism. What about now?

[Sethrey]

After all, there has already been a similar situation in history. For example, when bitcoin appeared and the entire community reacted to it with skepticism. What about now?

I won't compare anything to Bitcoin As I'm sure, Bitcoin will always remain a top currency. And from new ones, green crypto needs more attention. Such as CRP, which doesn't require anything except internet connection for mining.

[Jazzi Mahesh]

I would prefer to trade with the Forex Market and I am happy with its earning.

[Starkick]

After all, there has already been a similar situation in history. For example, when bitcoin appeared and the entire community reacted to it with skepticism. What about now?

I won't compare anything to Bitcoin As I'm sure, Bitcoin will always remain a top currency. And from new ones, green crypto needs more attention. Such as CRP, which doesn't require anything except internet connection for mining.

I am sure that within a few years the popularity of green coins will only grow. Therefore, yes, it is worth paying attention to developing and promising projects in order to benefit from it later.

[bitterguy28]

I would prefer to trade with the Forex Market and I am happy with its earning.

Then why are you here?if you are still lingering here then best to get out of this forum .

After all, there has already been a similar situation in history. For example, when bitcoin appeared and the entire community reacted to it with skepticism. What about now?

Sorry but what is the connection of people skepticism and the Privacy topic? looks like you don't know where you posting and in what topic/thread?

All centralized exchanges require you to complete KYC due to legal reason

Yes that sucks

Then why use centralized exchange when there are lots of decentralize to choose?

[WNTRjon]

I am blessed to not think about privacy much in my day-to-day life.

But when you get that message that someone logged into your email or something, it's one of the worst feelings.

Privacy matters to me.

[Sethrey]

I am blessed to not think about privacy much in my day-to-day life.

But when you get that message that someone logged into your email or something, it's one of the worst feelings.

Privacy matters to me.

That's why I love services like Utopia p2p as it will never happen there. By the way, they also announced a wide promo action for miners yesterday https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5349259.new#new Seems like a good opportunity to earn some extra coins +a part of the prize pool.

[Starkick]

Are you planning to take part in it? As far as I remember, the last bounty was quite successful and without any problems.

[Mauser]

Personal information is the biggest commodity of the Internet. All the big companies need it to feed their algorithm on what kind of products to over us. That is why privacy is so important. We shouldn't give our data away for free. First of all we should be informed on what kind of information is being collected and where its being sold to. Just look at the Robin Hood broker disaster. They offer the cheapest trades but will sell your information to hedge funds who are going to frontrun you. We need to protect ourselves better.

[Phanditha Echevarria]

Can I tell you the fact that I have recently received a lot of harassing calls pretending to be an exchange. I am anxious. Privacy is really important. But in a centralized exchange, it is difficult to achieve complete privacy.

[bitterguy28]

Can I tell you the fact that I have recently received a lot of harassing calls pretending to be an exchange. I am anxious. Privacy is really important. But in a centralized exchange, it is difficult to achieve complete privacy.

Can you tell us the story behind this mate? and also why are they calling you ?

Exchange seems to be not ethical to contact their users without very important matters that the user seek for their help.

This is an obvious scam site if does.

[hornetsnest]

Can I tell you the fact that I have recently received a lot of harassing calls pretending to be an exchange. I am anxious. Privacy is really important. But in a centralized exchange, it is difficult to achieve complete privacy.

If you have received a call from someone misrepresenting themselves in this manner or attempting some form of deception by wire you should ask them the questions. Firstly ask them their name,organisation,address and landline,organisation extension number. Verify their particulars with the legitimate organisation through a third party/person and reengage with them through their swithboard extension.

If they are fraudulent firstly alert the organisation they are misrepresenting and then your phone company. There are many ways to trace fraudsters or persons harrassing you and you can also alert relevant authorities if the organisation or phone company does not cooperate. Fraudsters and other practicioners of deception working for whatever reason in this manner use a number of tactics from cold calling to door to door surveys,online banking fraud using malicious links,package deliveries,honeytrap,utility maintainence for information and access etc to name but a few.

If they start the sentence with .."Nothing to worry about" "Just a few questions" "Could I have a moment of your time" etc,then you should firstly verify the person you are speaking to through the method above but ensuring the organisation they are resresenting is a legitimate well established one and not just a burner company set up for such practices.

[Sethrey]

Are you planning to take part in it? As far as I remember, the last bounty was quite successful and without any problems.

The previous bounty was held by the hired bounty manager and not it's all about the soft and devs. I'm in already and I've learned that up to 50 mining bots can be active on one PC. That's pretty awesome and I hope I'll get into the numbers of luckies to receive a part of the big prize pool.

[Starkick]

Cool! I wish you success in mining and in promo! I will not stop rejoicing at how the project is a success and enjoys growing popularity among users.

[hornetsnest]

Is this now an ICO thread? wen moon,wen lambo?

[datura12]

The problems with privacy is that for every 1 person who cares  and try to stay protected there are 150 that don't give a flying duck about it, and if you want to communicate with some of that 150 you have to go mainstream. I tried using minds when was released, as alternative to social media where you get organic and not manipulated post, and till this day I don't have any friends who are using it. So no matter how you try there will always be some weak spots.

[Sethrey]

The problems with privacy is that for every 1 person who cares  and try to stay protected there are 150 that don't give a flying duck about it, and if you want to communicate with some of that 150 you have to go mainstream. I tried using minds when was released, as alternative to social media where you get organic and not manipulated post, and till this day I don't have any friends who are using it. So no matter how you try there will always be some weak spots.

Especially if you look for some more private alternatives to social media or popular messengers, Utopia p2p will be really interesting for you. The only minus is that mobile app is still developing, but I like to use it on PC as an alternative to Telegram, which turned out to be not very secured.

[peter0425]

Can I tell you the fact that I have recently received a lot of harassing calls pretending to be an exchange. I am anxious. Privacy is really important. But in a centralized exchange, it is difficult to achieve complete privacy.

Keep a multi account in social media and even in providing emails, use a dummy email in registering in not so important matters because most of those sites are just there to sell our KYC to third party user.

[swiftxi]

Can I tell you the fact that I have recently received a lot of harassing calls pretending to be an exchange. I am anxious. Privacy is really important. But in a centralized exchange, it is difficult to achieve complete privacy.

Keep a multi account in social media and even in providing emails, use a dummy email in registering in not so important matters because most of those sites are just there to sell our KYC to third party user.

This is good advice.I always keep my real account with a separate password and keep it clean. Unless its the prince of Nigeria , Then I always accept his calls
Most importantly you need to be able to spot which people, website and services will forward your information to 3rd party buyers ! And remember secure connection SSL even advanced SSL can be bought for 10 $

[Starkick]

Yes, but there is no denying the fact that there are many more ways in which global corporations track our data. Data freedom and privacy are only in the part of the Internet that cannot be indexed.

[Shasha80]

Can I tell you the fact that I have recently received a lot of harassing calls pretending to be an exchange. I am anxious. Privacy is really important. But in a centralized exchange, it is difficult to achieve complete privacy.

Keep a multi account in social media and even in providing emails, use a dummy email in registering in not so important matters because most of those sites are just there to sell our KYC to third party user.

With many cases of selling users personal data to third parties, makes us really have to be more careful when going to join some platform.
If we don't sign up for a platform with matters that are not so important, it's best not to use our real email. Because to prevent our personal
data from being misused by irresponsible people, sometimes if i register some social media using new email. We also have to be careful when
sharing our cellphone numbers, because a lot of incoming messages or calls for deceptive purposes. Today where many frauds are committed
in the online world, we really have to be careful to protect our personal information, don't let our personal data fall into the hands of
irresponsible people.

[MKings]

• Because everyone has everyone’s secret, everyone has the idea of not wanting to be disturbed by others,
• Protecting privacy is the key to protecting our freedom of thought and speech. Everyone will have different thoughts and opinions. We should respect everyone's ideas.
• To respect privacy is to respect others.
• The protection of privacy is a respect for human freedom and dignity, and it is also a sign of the progress of human civilization.
• Do not disclose other people's personal materials or publish other people's information on the Internet.

[Sethrey]

And what do you guys think about Alt-tech applications and websites? I think they were created exactly to give users a freedom of speech and certain anonymity online. It's bad that they gain popularity through the QAnon movement, but at least more people get acquainted with them. Utopia p2p on the whole can also be called an alt-tech app as its main aim is to give people online anonymity and freedom.

[mabeyak]

Everything that was made in Silicon Valley is an infringement on people's privacy. Unless there is a major change to the way social media companies monetize their services, there will be no improvement on this issue.
Now monetization is done through ads and data collection, which I believe should be illegal. I would much rather pay a small fee per activity(post, like, etc.) to every service that I use than have everything collected into a database then sold to the highest bidder.
I think privacy matters because every man has fears and thoughts that if known, could put him at a disadvantage.

[Louis Harper]

Privacy is the most basic security issue between people. It is related to the issue of respect for both parties, and reputation is a life-long issue. The protection of privacy is to protect a person and is also derived from a sense of security.

[Ozymon]

I understand of your concern of the importance of privacy on internet, I believe most of bitcointalk users are on the same boat when it come to keeping privacy and stay anonym.

On the other hand, sometimes anonymity comes with a cost, I'm talking about people in general, we can be anyone and anything, even doing bad  stuffs.

[Starkick]

And what do you guys think about Alt-tech applications and websites? I think they were created exactly to give users a freedom of speech and certain anonymity online. It's bad that they gain popularity through the QAnon movement, but at least more people get acquainted with them. Utopia p2p on the whole can also be called an alt-tech app as its main aim is to give people online anonymity and freedom.

Hmm, well, the  idea of this project is a free Internet and freedom of speech. Have you read the interviews with the developers? They talked about what inspired them, choosing the name of the project and developing it.

[Sethrey]

Everything that was made in Silicon Valley is an infringement on people's privacy. Unless there is a major change to the way social media companies monetize their services, there will be no improvement on this issue.
Now monetization is done through ads and data collection, which I believe should be illegal. I would much rather pay a small fee per activity(post, like, etc.) to every service that I use than have everything collected into a database then sold to the highest bidder.
I think privacy matters because every man has fears and thoughts that if known, could put him at a disadvantage.

And what do you think about alt-tech projects like Utopia p2p? If it's blockchain based and provides its users full anonymity and freedom of speech? It's absolutely free as the main idea of developers' team was to provide online freedom. Now some alternatives appear, but they're too small and are limited in functions. And this project exists from 2018 and had no privacy scandals ever.

[tnyldzerdm60]

Dear bitcointalkers, does privacy matters for you? When I started to trade btc I was sure it will always remain anonymous, but nowadays more and more exchangers ask for some identification documents for some reason. I decided to check what happens with other spheres and found that article https://hackernoon.com/why-privacy-matters-and-how-to-stop-online-harassment-q174930dm

It's really important for me to be safe online due to the several reasons. As I make payments and run the business. I don't want anyone know all the information about me.

So let's share which apps do you use for browsing, messaging, emailing, etc. Maybe you can also offer good VPN (I don't really believe them, but anyway)

Let's help each other to save our personal information.

If you choose the right campaigns, it won't be a problem. I do not look very favorably on verified campaigns. Doesn't seem reliable to me.

[Starkick]

I recommend paying attention to the  Utopia p2p project. It really guarantees data security. In addition, for the entire time of its existence, there has not been any problem or data leakage.

[Sethrey]

I'm very interested in the latest news from Utopia p2p as they launched UUSD stablecoin. As I know, there are no other coins that made something like that. I think, it will give the project second birth. I can't imagine more private transactions.

[boyptc]

@OP so that project you've posted relates to why privacy matters? because they'll be having anonymous transactions? AFAIK, monero is the most efficient in terms of anonymity in transactions.

And most of the newer projects today doesn't really focus on it and wait, is that a stable coin? a stable coin that focuses in private transactions? first time to hear that but will they really deliver that?

[Starkick]

And what is surprising about this? The project itself is a decentralized ecosystem. The release of a stablecoin is only a confirmation of reliability and greater stability. However, this does not affect privacy in any way.

[hornetsnest]

Plebs within the new technocratic order who depend on it for work,food etc will have NO privacy in the future. A well regulated privacy will only be afforded to the ruling class.

[Sethrey]

@OP so that project you've posted relates to why privacy matters? because they'll be having anonymous transactions? AFAIK, monero is the most efficient in terms of anonymity in transactions.

And most of the newer projects today doesn't really focus on it and wait, is that a stable coin? a stable coin that focuses in private transactions? first time to hear that but will they really deliver that?

They already did it. I've mentioned the link in my previous post https://utopiap2p.medium.com/utopia-p2p-introduces-anonymous-usd-stablecoin-backed-by-dai-f9fc213901db What is so surprising for you? I think that someone should create a private stablecoin.

[boyptc]

@OP so that project you've posted relates to why privacy matters? because they'll be having anonymous transactions? AFAIK, monero is the most efficient in terms of anonymity in transactions.

And most of the newer projects today doesn't really focus on it and wait, is that a stable coin? a stable coin that focuses in private transactions? first time to hear that but will they really deliver that?

They already did it. I've mentioned the link in my previous post https://utopiap2p.medium.com/utopia-p2p-introduces-anonymous-usd-stablecoin-backed-by-dai-f9fc213901db What is so surprising for you? I think that someone should create a private stablecoin.

It is because most of the stable coins are centralized and only a few are decentralized. And making one of these is different from the usual.

Aside from being decentralized, it also offers privacy and that's why I'm quite surprised.

[boyptc]

@OP so that project you've posted relates to why privacy matters? because they'll be having anonymous transactions? AFAIK, monero is the most efficient in terms of anonymity in transactions.

And most of the newer projects today doesn't really focus on it and wait, is that a stable coin? a stable coin that focuses in private transactions? first time to hear that but will they really deliver that?

They already did it. I've mentioned the link in my previous post https://utopiap2p.medium.com/utopia-p2p-introduces-anonymous-usd-stablecoin-backed-by-dai-f9fc213901db What is so surprising for you? I think that someone should create a private stablecoin.

It is because most of the stable coins are centralized and only a few are decentralized. And making one of these is different from the usual.

Aside from being decentralized, it also offers privacy and that's why I'm quite surprised.

I can't say that I understand all this very well. However, it seemed to me that creating a reliable stablecoin is a big step. This can become a really promising project.

There are reliable handful stable coins already. What he's up to is a stable coin that's more with privacy.

I haven't seen one of those before and that's why it caught me by suprise when I've read it. But we'll see if that project will kick in as there are known stable coins already in the market.

[Saif33]

The most important thing is that you can't do anything in your life without privacy. Of course you have to do everything with security. If you have a bank account then you have to take good measures for your privacy . If you have money you have to keep yourself privacy .  You have to have privacy  in your own language but of course I think security is the most important thing in every human life so we have to be important. We have to do everything with privacy .

[Sethrey]

It is because most of the stable coins are centralized and only a few are decentralized. And making one of these is different from the usual.

Aside from being decentralized, it also offers privacy and that's why I'm quite surprised.

That's exactly what surprised me also. Everything on the crypto market looks similar to each other and nothing new appears. So I will also look after this coin as if it's really private and stable - it's a new step in crypto industry. Keeping earnings anonymously with 1:1 rate to US dollar amy be a great decision.

[Melignya]

I think it's pretty obvious.

[hornetsnest]

Privacy will matter when you no longer have it. Cash will matter when you no longer have it. Freedom will matter when you no longer have it. God's mercy will matter when you no longer have it.

[Starkick]

It is because most of the stable coins are centralized and only a few are decentralized. And making one of these is different from the usual.

Aside from being decentralized, it also offers privacy and that's why I'm quite surprised.

That's exactly what surprised me also. Everything on the crypto market looks similar to each other and nothing new appears. So I will also look after this coin as if it's really private and stable - it's a new step in crypto industry. Keeping earnings anonymously with 1:1 rate to US dollar amy be a great decision.

Yes, you're right. Only one important point remains - the recognition of the coin by the crypto community and its wide popularity. Without an active audience, the project will have no value.

[Sethrey]

It is because most of the stable coins are centralized and only a few are decentralized. And making one of these is different from the usual.

Aside from being decentralized, it also offers privacy and that's why I'm quite surprised.

That's exactly what surprised me also. Everything on the crypto market looks similar to each other and nothing new appears. So I will also look after this coin as if it's really private and stable - it's a new step in crypto industry. Keeping earnings anonymously with 1:1 rate to US dollar amy be a great decision.

Yes, you're right. Only one important point remains - the recognition of the coin by the crypto community and its wide popularity. Without an active audience, the project will have no value.

While we were discussing the new coin from Utopia p2p, it's main Crypton coin reached 31K active nodes already. This number amazed me as that's a really big amount. Even in comparison with top coins, some of which has twice less number.

[Ucy]

It is because most of the stable coins are centralized and only a few are decentralized. And making one of these is different from the usual.

Aside from being decentralized, it also offers privacy and that's why I'm quite surprised.

That's exactly what surprised me also. Everything on the crypto market looks similar to each other and nothing new appears. So I will also look after this coin as if it's really private and stable - it's a new step in crypto industry. Keeping earnings anonymously with 1:1 rate to US dollar amy be a great decision.

Yes, you're right. Only one important point remains - the recognition of the coin by the crypto community and its wide popularity. Without an active audience, the project will have no value.

While we were discussing the new coin from Utopia p2p, it's main Crypton coin reached 31K active nodes already. This number amazed me as that's a really big amount. Even in comparison with top coins, some of which has twice less number.

Interesting
But I  wonder if the developers can use the "Cryptocurrency" in a society they built themselves without compromising on important ideals like Trustlessness, Permissionless, etc

I think if you are creating a cryptocurrency and compromise on any of its most important ideal/principle, you run into problems and that cryptocurrency will likely not be safe to use in any community/society existing in dangerous times

[Yalalagh]

I think it all makes sense, you feel safe, and so does your data

[Starkick]

It is because most of the stable coins are centralized and only a few are decentralized. And making one of these is different from the usual.

Aside from being decentralized, it also offers privacy and that's why I'm quite surprised.

That's exactly what surprised me also. Everything on the crypto market looks similar to each other and nothing new appears. So I will also look after this coin as if it's really private and stable - it's a new step in crypto industry. Keeping earnings anonymously with 1:1 rate to US dollar amy be a great decision.

Yes, you're right. Only one important point remains - the recognition of the coin by the crypto community and its wide popularity. Without an active audience, the project will have no value.

While we were discussing the new coin from Utopia p2p, it's main Crypton coin reached 31K active nodes already. This number amazed me as that's a really big amount. Even in comparison with top coins, some of which has twice less number.

Wow. The developers, apparently, made an incredible effort. This impresses me. After all, this number exceeds any popular coin.

[jimjones7]

privacy is a mirage, all biggest internet platforms are under intelligence community's control anyway..

[Sethrey]

privacy is a mirage, all biggest internet platforms are under intelligence community's control anyway..

The key words are "biggest internet platforms". Of course, big tech will be always under the government, following all their rules and providing all the data collected from users on demand. That's why alt-tech community is improving now and trying to provide both feedom of speech and full anonymity, like Utopia p2p does for several years already.

[Starkick]

privacy is a mirage, all biggest internet platforms are under intelligence community's control anyway..

The key words are "biggest internet platforms". Of course, big tech will be always under the government, following all their rules and providing all the data collected from users on demand. That's why alt-tech community is improving now and trying to provide both feedom of speech and full anonymity, like Utopia p2p does for several years already.

Unfortunately, in the current indexed model of the Internet, it is difficult to achieve success and popularity without accepting the conditions of the game that are dictated by the authorities. You very correctly mentioned alttech and projects that seek to restore privacy and confidentiality to the Internet. I began to see more and more discussions about the possibility of creating NET 3.0. Maybe it's just a matter of time.

[Starkick]

Great! This is the third bounty for this half-year, right? Thank you for the news, I'll get acquainted. I managed to forget that Utopia still has forums and the ability to create web sites.

[Sethrey]

A large number of bounties allows you to attract more users to the project. This is a great opportunity for developers to familiarize the audience with the ecosystem and its features. In addition, for cryptophones, this is a good opportunity to earn money.

[Starkick]

A large number of bounties allows you to attract more users to the project. This is a great opportunity for developers to familiarize the audience with the ecosystem and its features. In addition, for cryptophones, this is a good opportunity to earn money.

Hmm, well, from this point of view, of course, the developers are right. By the way, they also promised that by the end of 2021 there will be a release of a mobile application. Do you know if the promise is still valid?

[Sethrey]

Hmm, well, from this point of view, of course, the developers are right. By the way, they also promised that by the end of 2021 there will be a release of a mobile application. Do you know if the promise is still valid?

I can say you that you'd better send these questions to official Utopia channels. People there know more about the upcoming events. As I remember the date of mobile version release was postponed several times, so I won't be too positive about the latest date.

[Starkick]

Hmm, well, from this point of view, of course, the developers are right. By the way, they also promised that by the end of 2021 there will be a release of a mobile application. Do you know if the promise is still valid?

I can say you that you'd better send these questions to official Utopia channels. People there know more about the upcoming events. As I remember the date of mobile version release was postponed several times, so I won't be too positive about the latest date.

Yes, unfortunately the release of the mobile version was postponed several times during the year. However, I believe that developing a mobile application of this level of data security requires a lot of time. That's why we've been waiting for the release for so long.

[Sethrey]

Yes, unfortunately the release of the mobile version was postponed several times during the year. However, I believe that developing a mobile application of this level of data security requires a lot of time. That's why we've been waiting for the release for so long.

I think that devs shifted the focus to cryptocurrencies more from messenger and channels. It gives a better feedback. But for sure it will be interesting to see how popular will their messenger become. As most of existing ones have really big problems with privacy and security.