🕹️ Esports 🎮 Prediction & Discussion Thread

[Beparanf]

So far Tundra looks flawless,

They're 2-0 right now and just 1 more win and they'll take home the aegis which will assure them with $8.4M for the champion of this year's the international.

Individual skills of each Tundra players are totally amazing and impressive. Honestly, they've already shown this potential IIRC, last year but they didn't qualify for TI.

Now, they're about to take that aegis with just 1 win away. It's hard for Team Secret as they've exhausted with games since yesterday.

True. The problem on Secret was Crystallis so passive on this game. We don't see any effect from him to carry his team mates. Nisha is the only true carry on this game but he can’t beat the solid Tundra solo. Crystallis and the rest should step up and improve there picks so that they can have better laning phase.

Team Liquid has a better chance to beat Tundra if they are the one who win on the semi. Smf.n

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[dothebeats]

Lost $100 on Secret vs Liquid plus a heartbreak since I kinda want Matu to be on the finals. Anyway, I'm currently up on my profits since I decided to bet on each game in this Tundra vs Secret finals. Nine and 33 is hard carrying Tundra, and they just have every answer to Puppey's strats and drafts. Aui did a great job of analyzing Secret, and knowing that he was once a part of that Org, he knows what runs inside Puppey's head and that surely helps.

3rd game I hope Secret wins. I just want to extend this TI to game 5 to squeeze every juice that I can get from this tournament

[boltz]

Worst production of TI ever and they kinda ruined game 3 to be honest. However, I had too much confidence in Secret to win today and it seems they have no answer to Tundra no matter how many games they play against them. Game 3 is still on going but 99% Tundra are our TI champs in Singapore.

[batang_bitcoin]

Worst production of TI ever and they kinda ruined game 3 to be honest. However, I had too much confidence in Secret to win today and it seems they have no answer to Tundra no matter how many games they play against them. Game 3 is still on going but 99% Tundra are our TI champs in Singapore.

They're wasted. Coming from the low bracket is really one of the worst feeling and they're already tired.

Congratulations to Tundra Esports for winning the TI11. They've swept Team Secret with a 3-0 in a bo5 series.

[Beparanf]

Worst production of TI ever and they kinda ruined game 3 to be honest. However, I had too much confidence in Secret to win today and it seems they have no answer to Tundra no matter how many games they play against them. Game 3 is still on going but 99% Tundra are our TI champs in Singapore.

Yeah. Lots of connection error on this production. It's so boring to watch too since the game is pretty one sided. I don't what’s the problem of Crystallis but he seems so scared to fight Tundra. His item choice, aggression and team fights is so weird. He keeps running and just watching the fight from safe distance while he has a song to setup or disengaged his team mates from clash. His nets too can stop rolling thunder which I don’t understand why he is always running like a chicken even in game 1 and 2.

I don't have any bet but I really want to watch a solid game on grand finals. Tundra seems fighting only Nisha on this match. Ggwp Tundra.

[Coin_trader]

Worst production of TI ever and they kinda ruined game 3 to be honest. However, I had too much confidence in Secret to win today and it seems they have no answer to Tundra no matter how many games they play against them. Game 3 is still on going but 99% Tundra are our TI champs in Singapore.

Yeah. Lots of connection error on this production. It's so boring to watch too since the game is pretty one sided. I don't what’s the problem of Crystallis but he seems so scared to fight Tundra. His item choice, aggression and team fights is so weird. He keeps running and just watching the fight from safe distance while he has a song to setup or disengaged his team mates from clash. His nets too can stop rolling thunder which I don’t understand why he is always running like a chicken even in game 1 and 2.

I don't have any bet but I really want to watch a solid game on grand finals. Tundra seems fighting only Nisha on this match. Ggwp Tundra.

Tundra is just so strong and they know how to counter every move of Secret. Pango build a diffusal blade so that the backlines and Naga will be out of mana to disable all there skills. Only Nisha has the only flexible hero that move freely but Tundra manage to counter it by building hex with follow up lockdown from Tiny and Pango. Tundra is monster because they have the better vision on every game to give Skitter a space to freely farm and join the team early while Secret carry always slow to farm items since he keeps being distracted by Tundra offlaner.

Simply Secret is no match for Tundra this year.

[Beparanf]

Worst production of TI ever and they kinda ruined game 3 to be honest. However, I had too much confidence in Secret to win today and it seems they have no answer to Tundra no matter how many games they play against them. Game 3 is still on going but 99% Tundra are our TI champs in Singapore.

Yeah. Lots of connection error on this production. It's so boring to watch too since the game is pretty one sided. I don't what’s the problem of Crystallis but he seems so scared to fight Tundra. His item choice, aggression and team fights is so weird. He keeps running and just watching the fight from safe distance while he has a song to setup or disengaged his team mates from clash. His nets too can stop rolling thunder which I don’t understand why he is always running like a chicken even in game 1 and 2.

I don't have any bet but I really want to watch a solid game on grand finals. Tundra seems fighting only Nisha on this match. Ggwp Tundra.

Tundra is just so strong and they know how to counter every move of Secret. Pango build a diffusal blade so that the backlines and Naga will be out of mana to disable all there skills. Only Nisha has the only flexible hero that move freely but Tundra manage to counter it by building hex with follow up lockdown from Tiny and Pango. Tundra is monster because they have the better vision on every game to give Skitter a space to freely farm and join the team early while Secret carry always slow to farm items since he keeps being distracted by Tundra offlaner.

Simply Secret is no match for Tundra this year.

I notice too how Tundra control the vision all over the map but Crystallis performance is different when they are facing other teams. His game drastically change when they are facing Tundra right after they got beaten on the Upper Bracket. He is too inferior against skitter on 1v1 while his presence doesn't give terror to Tundra supports since he is not commiting too much on clash unless he was caught off guard in the middle. He didn't properly use his song on there game and his game is very passive for a pos1.

[Peanutswar]

Lost $100 on Secret vs Liquid plus a heartbreak since I kinda want Matu to be on the finals. Anyway, I'm currently up on my profits since I decided to bet on each game in this Tundra vs Secret finals. Nine and 33 is hard carrying Tundra, and they just have every answer to Puppey's strats and drafts. Aui did a great job of analyzing Secret, and knowing that he was once a part of that Org, he knows what runs inside Puppey's head and that surely helps.

3rd game I hope Secret wins. I just want to extend this TI to game 5 to squeeze every juice that I can get from this tournament

I bet with the Team Secret because they are the really balance team in terms over all skills during the main stage so that's why I choose them until the finals and also I expect them to be part of the Ti Champions because we know the experience of puppey have for over a year in dota but still it is a game imagine they clean sweep by the tundra and its happen in the Team Liquid Ti7 that they manage to win a 3-0 against newbie and also this is the last game of Matu because he retires after this Ti.

[dothebeats]

Lost $100 on Secret vs Liquid plus a heartbreak since I kinda want Matu to be on the finals. Anyway, I'm currently up on my profits since I decided to bet on each game in this Tundra vs Secret finals. Nine and 33 is hard carrying Tundra, and they just have every answer to Puppey's strats and drafts. Aui did a great job of analyzing Secret, and knowing that he was once a part of that Org, he knows what runs inside Puppey's head and that surely helps.

3rd game I hope Secret wins. I just want to extend this TI to game 5 to squeeze every juice that I can get from this tournament

I bet with the Team Secret because they are the really balance team in terms over all skills during the main stage so that's why I choose them until the finals and also I expect them to be part of the Ti Champions because we know the experience of puppey have for over a year in dota but still it is a game imagine they clean sweep by the tundra and its happen in the Team Liquid Ti7 that they manage to win a 3-0 against newbie and also this is the last game of Matu because he retires after this Ti.

Haha lost that last bet on game 3. I thought it was gonna be a 3-2 or 3-1 but Tundra has no chill. Regardless, I am quite satisfied on how this TI has panned out albeit the very poor production value from PGL and Valve. For a few minutes I thought I was in a simulation because the fights just went back for 5 minutes and I thought I was going crazy. Good thing there are backup streams that were updated and I didn't miss anything important.

Also, a month or two without professional Dota. I might have to stick to CS:GO for the time being. Grats on the wins and better luck next time on the L's, Dota bettors.

[Peanutswar]

Lost $100 on Secret vs Liquid plus a heartbreak since I kinda want Matu to be on the finals. Anyway, I'm currently up on my profits since I decided to bet on each game in this Tundra vs Secret finals. Nine and 33 is hard carrying Tundra, and they just have every answer to Puppey's strats and drafts. Aui did a great job of analyzing Secret, and knowing that he was once a part of that Org, he knows what runs inside Puppey's head and that surely helps.

3rd game I hope Secret wins. I just want to extend this TI to game 5 to squeeze every juice that I can get from this tournament

I bet with the Team Secret because they are the really balance team in terms over all skills during the main stage so that's why I choose them until the finals and also I expect them to be part of the Ti Champions because we know the experience of puppey have for over a year in dota but still it is a game imagine they clean sweep by the tundra and its happen in the Team Liquid Ti7 that they manage to win a 3-0 against newbie and also this is the last game of Matu because he retires after this Ti.

Haha lost that last bet on game 3. I thought it was gonna be a 3-2 or 3-1 but Tundra has no chill. Regardless, I am quite satisfied on how this TI has panned out albeit the very poor production value from PGL and Valve. For a few minutes I thought I was in a simulation because the fights just went back for 5 minutes and I thought I was going crazy. Good thing there are backup streams that were updated and I didn't miss anything important.

Also, a month or two without professional Dota. I might have to stick to CS:GO for the time being. Grats on the wins and better luck next time on the L's, Dota bettors.

Unexpected TI winners happen again before it Happens to the underdog Wings and becomes with the winner of Team Spirit and now the Team Tundra for sure this is a hard celebration for the whole dota 2 community, that's good to not taking too much risk with the team secret because If i go with it there's a chance i lose over hundred dollars too lol, i thought team secret can make a score against them like a 3-2 standing but no  they got the momentum and take the aegis easily.

[jakelyson]

Team Secret can find the answer to Tundra. They have a total of 8 games against each other this TI and secret just won 1 game against them. That is very sad for them. After so many trial and error they still can't find the right combination to beat Tundra. They even switch heroes, Reso using Lesh. Still, they cannot sustain the early lead they have. They dominate early games but when mid game and late game comes, they are totally destroyed by Tundra. Their team fights are awful and uncoordinated. At one point, they one hero is going in while the others are backing out. I do not know their problem since they are on point in clashes against other teams in this tournament.

Anyway, Congratulations to Tundra for winning The International 2022. Now they proved to those bashers that they do not choke always, sometimes, they win TI too.

Also, a month or two without professional Dota. I might have to stick to CS:GO for the time being. Grats on the wins and better luck next time on the L's, Dota bettors.

Time to watch Worlds too. They are on semis now, I think. I haven't watched a single game in Worlds yet. Any good team to bet on this?

[Coin_trader]

I notice too how Tundra control the vision all over the map but Crystallis performance is different when they are facing other teams. His game drastically change when they are facing Tundra right after they got beaten on the Upper Bracket. He is too inferior against skitter on 1v1 while his presence doesn't give terror to Tundra supports since he is not commiting too much on clash unless he was caught off guard in the middle. He didn't properly use his song on there game and his game is very passive for a pos1.

You think he is passive because he can’t make a good position because Nine keeps checking all his supports that should help him to fight with sustain. No Pos1 can fight the whole team while the rest of his team mates is dying on the back. Check the video replay again and notice how 9 and 33 keeps punishing the supports of Secret. They are always outplayed in every game which result to very performance of Secret. Crystallis has no room to show explosive skills since Tundra hero always has a lockdown and engaging/disengaging through Mirana moonlight. Secret seems not paying attention to this and also they don't pick heroes that provides better vision.

Secret playstyle is just directly counter by Tundra and in fact Tundra is very strong on this tournament. Secret is just hype since they came from LCQ same with Liquid.

[Peanutswar]

Team Secret can find the answer to Tundra. They have a total of 8 games against each other this TI and secret just won 1 game against them. That is very sad for them. After so many trial and error they still can't find the right combination to beat Tundra. They even switch heroes, Reso using Lesh. Still, they cannot sustain the early lead they have. They dominate early games but when mid game and late game comes, they are totally destroyed by Tundra. Their team fights are awful and uncoordinated. At one point, they one hero is going in while the others are backing out. I do not know their problem since they are on point in clashes against other teams in this tournament.

Anyway, Congratulations to Tundra for winning The International 2022. Now they proved to those bashers that they do not choke always, sometimes, they win TI too.

Many people think too that team secret is the strongest team because they reach the lower position into upper bracket easily and after they face the tundra that's the reason why they go in the lower for me this Ti11 is one of the most saddest moment in the history of Dota, RNG cant play in the stage and Only xNova in the stage, next is the EG have a good performance still cant manage to secured with the top teams, next is OG and Team spirit failed to attempt their defending aegis and now Matumbaman retire and Puppey cant still get his aegis.

[abel1337]

Team Secret can find the answer to Tundra. They have a total of 8 games against each other this TI and secret just won 1 game against them. That is very sad for them. After so many trial and error they still can't find the right combination to beat Tundra. They even switch heroes, Reso using Lesh. Still, they cannot sustain the early lead they have. They dominate early games but when mid game and late game comes, they are totally destroyed by Tundra. Their team fights are awful and uncoordinated. At one point, they one hero is going in while the others are backing out. I do not know their problem since they are on point in clashes against other teams in this tournament.

Anyway, Congratulations to Tundra for winning The International 2022. Now they proved to those bashers that they do not choke always, sometimes, they win TI too.

Many people think too that team secret is the strongest team because they reach the lower position into upper bracket easily and after they face the tundra that's the reason why they go in the lower for me this Ti11 is one of the most saddest moment in the history of Dota, RNG cant play in the stage and Only xNova in the stage, next is the EG have a good performance still cant manage to secured with the top teams, next is OG and Team spirit failed to attempt their defending aegis and now Matumbaman retire and Puppey cant still get his aegis.

Well there are a lot of sad things about this year TI and I'm also sad about Matumbaman retire also when xNova showed in the stage alone with the proxy teddybears, It's the first time that it happened to TI and but yeah it's part of the tournament and I'm sure everyone will remember it. Though we shall move on and be happy about the successful outcome and happenings on the TI. I'm sure every team will comeback strong next year especially that most of the fans are upset. We should be happy and welcome the new hero Muerta!

[jakelyson]

next is OG and Team spirit failed to attempt their defending aegis and now Matumbaman retire and Puppey cant still get his aegis.

You mean Puppey still can't get his second aegis since Puppey already won the Aegis in the first TI together with Dendi in Navi.

It is sad that Team Spirit was not able to defend their aegis and actually they were eliminated very early in the main stage. It could have been better if they were the one in the finals to defend their title but that is how e-sports is. Some time you are at the top, sometimes you are at the very bottom. Right now, they are at the bottom. Sadder thing is, I think team Spirit is having a roster change and torontotokyo is forming a new team. I just read it somewhere, but I do not know if that is true.

Many people think too that team secret is the strongest team because they reach the lower position into upper bracket easily and after they face the tundra that's the reason why they go in the lower for me this Ti11 is one of the most saddest moment in the history of Dota, RNG cant play in the stage and Only xNova in the stage, next is the EG have a good performance still cant manage to secured with the top teams, next is OG and Team spirit failed to attempt their defending aegis and now Matumbaman retire and Puppey cant still get his aegis.

A lot of players are retiring after this TI. Somnus, Faith_bian and Matu are retiring. I think there is more I just could not remember everyone. Team Liquid has given Matu are good farewell. Coming from Last Chance Qualifier and ending in the Lower Bracket Finals, that is the most epic sendoff they could give. And they have given the most epic games in this TI as well. I think he is happy that he ended his DOTA career in a high note.

[arallmuus]

Anyway, Congratulations to Tundra for winning The International 2022. Now they proved to those bashers that they do not choke always, sometimes, they win TI too.

Its more of that Team Secret didnt know what to do with all those 3 games. They simply want to get to top 2 and that was it, if it was Team Liquid instead then Liquid would have given way better entertainment for us. Imagine watching the grand finale for TI11 that looks like a tier 1 team against tier 2 team. Most are hoping for atleast 4 games but it was only 3 games so thats pretty sucks

[sunsilk]

I didn't enjoyed the grand finals of The International 2022, honestly and that's because I want the grand finals go into 5 games. But not having doesn't means that I was disappointed.

Tundra is such an unpredictable team, we saw this from Team Spirit and OG. All of teams have got their own playstyle that will make their opponents really crazy.

That was such as nice run from all the teams, congratulations to them and as well as the Team Secret. From the LCQ up to the grand finals, well done Puppey and the gang.

[Boristhecat]

After that first game, it's definitely looking that way and I like how JDG is putting up so much pressure throughout on T1 and they're still willing to start a team fight even though they're outnumbered.

T1 tried to keep it close by picking off Hope a couple of times but the draft difference was showing on the side of JDG in the later stages of the game.

I watched the first game yesterday and went to bed (I chose to sleep before work haha) and was very surprised when I saw the score 3-1 in favor of T1 in the morning. The first game from JDG was absolutely brilliant - these team fights in the minority, this playing against T1 which had a baron, but they could not even come out ahead by 50 gold. The moment JDG saved Elder when they ended up in a teamfight seems like 2 vs 5, but ended up with 3 vs 4 kills and forced T1 to retreat. The best LOL game I've seen lately and it's a shame that JDG didn't advance to the next stage.

[passwordnow]

Its more of that Team Secret didnt know what to do with all those 3 games. They simply want to get to top 2 and that was it, if it was Team Liquid instead then Liquid would have given way better entertainment for us. Imagine watching the grand finale for TI11 that looks like a tier 1 team against tier 2 team. Most are hoping for atleast 4 games but it was only 3 games so thats pretty sucks

The minds combined of Heen and Puppey weren't able to counter what's on the minds of Tundra. In all of those three games, I didn't see any struggle in the picking of heroes of Tundra. And that's one of the best feats of being versatile and having a large hero pool. I've watched Tundra's interview and they're all agreeing of playing complex heroes and they don't argue with it as they have their own ways of playing Dota and those heroes that they'd like to play. Congrats to them, on the other hand, we have seen the last game of Matumbaman as he's now going into retirement.

[Pulsar77]

I've checked out the odds for Major winner and the first three favourites for the championship are like this:

1. NaVi: 5.00
2. FaZe: 5.50
3. Vitality: 7.00

Even though the first two favourites have been silent for some time they are still the most credible teams by bookies. However I still can't be sure of the champion team to be one of these two truthfully. Both of them have made simple mistakes in the recent times and shown big weaknesses. Vitality are the most impressive team these days and they have had a solid breakthrough recently. I think that Vitality is worth betting on now for the championship. They are still in Challengers Stage maybe but I believe that they are strong enough to reach the finale in Major later on. Maybe we can see a Vitality - FaZe or Vitality - NaVi finale.