🕹️ Esports 🎮 Prediction & Discussion Thread

[boltz]

It's a sad result for Eternal Fire. I expected a better performance from them but it didn't happen. Xantares didn't play very well in the match and it was a match with a complete awper difference. Woxic played very badly and couldn't hit. Wonderful was the one who made the difference for his team and won the match, and NaVi managed to win even though they were not superior to EF in terms of aim. Even maj3r's good performance here was not enough for the team to win.

Indeed. I had high hopes for them as well but I think the lan pressure was to big for them to pressure as they chocked in 2nd map pretty big but also they were so close to make a comeback in 1st map. However , navi really had a great day in CS2 today and it would have been hard for any team to beat them.

Now , G2 vs Mouz is so far an amazing game with G2 showing glimpse of what they can do this major so don't be surprised to see them in the finals because no matter how good Mouz is right now , I doubt they can even push the series to a 3rd map but we will see because Vertigo has been a very strong map for Mouz but also for G2.

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[execijutiere]

It's a sad result for Eternal Fire. I expected a better performance from them but it didn't happen. Xantares didn't play very well in the match and it was a match with a complete awper difference. Woxic played very badly and couldn't hit. Wonderful was the one who made the difference for his team and won the match, and NaVi managed to win even though they were not superior to EF in terms of aim. Even maj3r's good performance here was not enough for the team to win.

Indeed. I had high hopes for them as well but I think the lan pressure was to big for them to pressure as they chocked in 2nd map pretty big but also they were so close to make a comeback in 1st map. However , navi really had a great day in CS2 today and it would have been hard for any team to beat them.

Now , G2 vs Mouz is so far an amazing game with G2 showing glimpse of what they can do this major so don't be surprised to see them in the finals because no matter how good Mouz is right now , I doubt they can even push the series to a 3rd map but we will see because Vertigo has been a very strong map for Mouz but also for G2.

On the first map, Maj3r playing so well and not being able to hit aleksiB in mid when it was 12-10 was the event that lost the match.This managed to be one of the mystical rounds of eternal Fire.Unfortunately, if Maj3r had been able to hit AleksiB there, they would have had no chance to take it because they would have had a 4v2 retake and since there was an EF player in mid, it would have been a risk for NaVi. Rather than NaVi, we saw the new s1mple project Wonderful having a good game and backing up his team.He's a really good awper and the awper difference was obvious in the match.Woxic is more experienced and ranked on hltv, but he had a really awful game yesterday.I would say it was too bad to be expected from him.

[emrecemsan]

It's a sad result for Eternal Fire. I expected a better performance from them but it didn't happen. Xantares didn't play very well in the match and it was a match with a complete awper difference. Woxic played very badly and couldn't hit. Wonderful was the one who made the difference for his team and won the match, and NaVi managed to win even though they were not superior to EF in terms of aim. Even maj3r's good performance here was not enough for the team to win.

On Mirage we started a really amazing comeback from a 9-2 disadvantage. Despite bringing it to our advantage by 12-10 we just couldn't do the finishing touch and it cost us too much.    Our performance during OT was just very bad and missed a huge opportunity.



However this dedication on Mirage made me hopeful about Inferno. We had really good statistics on this map before and NaVi were like the opposite of us. But this wasn't enough. Because we just handed over the win to them by ourselves here. I can't understand how we can still make unbelievable mistakes at this level.    For example wtf was that rotate call from banana to A site while there wasn't much time left??

We still can't leave some mistakes behind we are used to see and this is hindering us from being more successful. I hope one day we get over those problems too.  

[execijutiere]

It's a sad result for Eternal Fire. I expected a better performance from them but it didn't happen. Xantares didn't play very well in the match and it was a match with a complete awper difference. Woxic played very badly and couldn't hit. Wonderful was the one who made the difference for his team and won the match, and NaVi managed to win even though they were not superior to EF in terms of aim. Even maj3r's good performance here was not enough for the team to win.

On Mirage we started a really amazing comeback from a 9-2 disadvantage. Despite bringing it to our advantage by 12-10 we just couldn't do the finishing touch and it cost us too much.    Our performance during OT was just very bad and missed a huge opportunity.



However this dedication on Mirage made me hopeful about Inferno. We had really good statistics on this map before and NaVi were like the opposite of us. But this wasn't enough. Because we just handed over the win to them by ourselves here. I can't understand how we can still make unbelievable mistakes at this level.    For example wtf was that rotate call from banana to A site while there wasn't much time left??

We still can't leave some mistakes behind we are used to see and this is hindering us from being more successful. I hope one day we get over those problems too.  

I can say that it was a really sad result.Losing the match like this when we were so close to finishing in a good tier in the major tournament obviously made me lose sleep.I can say that EF didn't do his best.When we look at the scores of the match, Maj3r was the top fragger while the bad performance of woxic and xantares played a big role in the loss of the match.2 I can say that the poor play of 2 experienced players in such matches makes it difficult for the team to win the match.Again, if NaVi, who was trying to retake on the Mirage map when it was 12-10, had shot AleksiB when majer caught him there alone, we could be talking about very different things now.

[boltz]

Sad day for G2 fans because at this point G2 hopefully finally realize they need to stop wasting m0nesy career and maybe a few changes might come within team but overall , I think G2 did more than people expected from them at this major but the fans won't be happy.

Meanwhile, NaVi played so amazingly again for 2 days in a row with JL finishing with over 130ADR 3rd map and I think tomorrow Faze won't be able to stop this current form of NaVi either but I can see the game going for 5 maps.

[emrecemsan]

I can say that it was a really sad result.Losing the match like this when we were so close to finishing in a good tier in the major tournament obviously made me lose sleep.I can say that EF didn't do his best.When we look at the scores of the match, Maj3r was the top fragger while the bad performance of woxic and xantares played a big role in the loss of the match.2 I can say that the poor play of 2 experienced players in such matches makes it difficult for the team to win the match.Again, if NaVi, who was trying to retake on the Mirage map when it was 12-10, had shot AleksiB when majer caught him there alone, we could be talking about very different things now.

We shouldn't forget about Wicadia's performance on Inferno as well. He is a really good fragger normally and showed it to us on Mirage too. However his performance on Inferno wasn't good enough. He is still a rookie though he would get more consistent in time. The most disappointing performance was XANTARES' surely... 

His extra work is really needed in this kind of situations. While the team were having a mental breakdown on Inferno XANTARES should have taken the helm. He wasn't on one of his best days I'm afraid.


Natus Vincere have reached the grand final after eliminating G2 as well. They are really doing a great work with their new roster.

Now we have a FaZe v Natus Vincere finale. I agree with @boltz that Natus Vincere can really make use of this positive form to beat FaZe despite being the underdog here. 

[execijutiere]

I can say that it was a really sad result.Losing the match like this when we were so close to finishing in a good tier in the major tournament obviously made me lose sleep.I can say that EF didn't do his best.When we look at the scores of the match, Maj3r was the top fragger while the bad performance of woxic and xantares played a big role in the loss of the match.2 I can say that the poor play of 2 experienced players in such matches makes it difficult for the team to win the match.Again, if NaVi, who was trying to retake on the Mirage map when it was 12-10, had shot AleksiB when majer caught him there alone, we could be talking about very different things now.

We shouldn't forget about Wicadia's performance on Inferno as well. He is a really good fragger normally and showed it to us on Mirage too. However his performance on Inferno wasn't good enough. He is still a rookie though he would get more consistent in time. The most disappointing performance was XANTARES' surely... 

His extra work is really needed in this kind of situations. While the team were having a mental breakdown on Inferno XANTARES should have taken the helm. He wasn't on one of his best days I'm afraid.


Natus Vincere have reached the grand final after eliminating G2 as well. They are really doing a great work with their new roster.

Now we have a FaZe v Natus Vincere finale. I agree with @boltz that Natus Vincere can really make use of this positive form to beat FaZe despite being the underdog here. 

XANTARES' performance was actually the turning point of the tournament.We can say that it was thanks to XANTARES that we made it this far in the tournament.The fact that the team's top fragger had such a bad game made it difficult for us to eliminate NaVi.We can't blame XANTARES, who has had a good tournament so far, for playing poorly against NaVi. His other teammates should have stepped up to balance his performance, but unfortunately there wasn't a player who could do that.Woxic's poor performance was also a contributing factor.Luck was not on their side and NaVi now has a final match against Faze.If they beat Faze, we will say we are eliminated from the championship, but if Faze wins, we will be proud that we beat Faze 13-1 in the group stage.

[boltz]

We are just a couple of hours away from CS2 Final between Faze and Navi! This is a classic that shouldn't be missed by any chance because Navi seems to found a godlike mode in this major but on the other side Faze are playing with opponents minds during the game so that's why I do expect a very very tight CS2 game between them. 

[execijutiere]

We are just a couple of hours away from CS2 Final between Faze and Navi! This is a classic that shouldn't be missed by any chance because Navi seems to found a godlike mode in this major but on the other side Faze are playing with opponents minds during the game so that's why I do expect a very very tight CS2 game between them. 

I honestly didn't expect Faze to make it this far after his performance in the group stage.They surprised me and I can say that karrigan showed again that he is really a different igl.He managed to bring his team to the finals again in a strange way.On the other side, AleksiB defeated his former team and made it to the finals.Now he will appear against Faze in an important final challenge.I think we will watch a match here that is all about how the 2 IGLs prepare their team.2 The 2 teams do not have much difference in terms of aimer, but I think there should be a difference as IGL. The in-game call will change the whole job.

[boltz]

We are just a couple of hours away from CS2 Final between Faze and Navi! This is a classic that shouldn't be missed by any chance because Navi seems to found a godlike mode in this major but on the other side Faze are playing with opponents minds during the game so that's why I do expect a very very tight CS2 game between them. 

I honestly didn't expect Faze to make it this far after his performance in the group stage.They surprised me and I can say that karrigan showed again that he is really a different igl.He managed to bring his team to the finals again in a strange way.On the other side, AleksiB defeated his former team and made it to the finals.Now he will appear against Faze in an important final challenge.I think we will watch a match here that is all about how the 2 IGLs prepare their team.2 The 2 teams do not have much difference in terms of aimer, but I think there should be a difference as IGL. The in-game call will change the whole job.

Well , to be honest I didn't expect Faze to reach finals either but I think Frozen kinda made this possible by his own magic as other players from Faze didn't shine a lot during this major besides Kerrigan who've been a great IGL for all his career at this point.

I personally was sorrowed to see G2 having another fail on another major and it feels like this circle won't end anytime soon. There were also rumors that Niko almost had a contract signed with Cloud9 during the winter break but something made that decision to fall and he stayed with G2 but all this rumors around team with scams allegation , transfer rumors , pressure on M0nesy ( who is still 18 years old ) and many more that seems to shake this team from interior. Hopefully , the management will find a solution to make this team shine or at least sell M0nesy next year towards a better and more capable team.

[boyptc]

This Elite league has eliminated a lot of teams already. Notable teams like Nigma Galaxy and 9pandas are already out. But they're not the only teams that are already out. Here's the list of the others that will come together with them.

- KEV
- nouns
- Rest farmers

And tomorrow there will be more teams that will be out, to be specific 3 more teams.

[ralle14]

This Elite league has eliminated a lot of teams already. Notable teams like Nigma Galaxy and 9pandas are already out. But they're not the only teams that are already out. Here's the list of the others that will come together with them.

- KEV
- nouns
- Rest farmers

And tomorrow there will be more teams that will be out, to be specific 3 more teams.

I didn't expect Nigma Galaxy to exit out of the tournament this early when there are a lot of weaker teams in this Swiss group. I thought they could've gone up 2-0 in their first two series since Talon had a stand-in.

On the bright side, their elimination put Team Secret one step closer to qualifying, and they might have a higher chance of qualifying with Satanic filling in for 23's absence in their decider series against Aurora.

It'd be amazing to see if all three SEA teams somehow advance and win their series.

[execijutiere]

We are just a couple of hours away from CS2 Final between Faze and Navi! This is a classic that shouldn't be missed by any chance because Navi seems to found a godlike mode in this major but on the other side Faze are playing with opponents minds during the game so that's why I do expect a very very tight CS2 game between them. 

I honestly didn't expect Faze to make it this far after his performance in the group stage.They surprised me and I can say that karrigan showed again that he is really a different igl.He managed to bring his team to the finals again in a strange way.On the other side, AleksiB defeated his former team and made it to the finals.Now he will appear against Faze in an important final challenge.I think we will watch a match here that is all about how the 2 IGLs prepare their team.2 The 2 teams do not have much difference in terms of aimer, but I think there should be a difference as IGL. The in-game call will change the whole job.

Well , to be honest I didn't expect Faze to reach finals either but I think Frozen kinda made this possible by his own magic as other players from Faze didn't shine a lot during this major besides Kerrigan who've been a great IGL for all his career at this point.

I personally was sorrowed to see G2 having another fail on another major and it feels like this circle won't end anytime soon. There were also rumors that Niko almost had a contract signed with Cloud9 during the winter break but something made that decision to fall and he stayed with G2 but all this rumors around team with scams allegation , transfer rumors , pressure on M0nesy ( who is still 18 years old ) and many more that seems to shake this team from interior. Hopefully , the management will find a solution to make this team shine or at least sell M0nesy next year towards a better and more capable team.

We can say that Faze had a really good performance.Faze, who barely made it out of the group stage and made it to the finals, was still good.We can say that NaVi deserved this major.They have a good roster and after s1mple left, there was obviously a complete roster change.This seems to be working for them right now. For EF, the sad part is that they were eliminated early, but the happy part is that they were eliminated to the winner of the tournament.EF could have had a better ranking in this tournament, but they couldn't beat NaVi.I think they will prepare harder for the next tournaments.They now have the right to get direct invitations to tournaments.They are ranked 8th in HLTV and 10th in ESL.

[emrecemsan]

We are just a couple of hours away from CS2 Final between Faze and Navi! This is a classic that shouldn't be missed by any chance because Navi seems to found a godlike mode in this major but on the other side Faze are playing with opponents minds during the game so that's why I do expect a very very tight CS2 game between them.  

I really didn't like this final series to tell the truth. The last 2 map results were really poor, there wasn't any proper competition.  



But I must admit one thing here that NaVi's answer to FaZe was just incredible!    NaVi's last performances on Inferno were really impressive. It looks like they practiced on this map really hard after not playing there for like 2 months. Our predictions on NaVi to win came true but I wish I bet on it. As they were the underdog the odds were really attracting actually.

jL was awarded the MVP prize by the way. I think he deserved it after this hard work especially during the playoffs.

[boyptc]

This Elite league has eliminated a lot of teams already. Notable teams like Nigma Galaxy and 9pandas are already out. But they're not the only teams that are already out. Here's the list of the others that will come together with them.

- KEV
- nouns
- Rest farmers

And tomorrow there will be more teams that will be out, to be specific 3 more teams.

I didn't expect Nigma Galaxy to exit out of the tournament this early when there are a lot of weaker teams in this Swiss group. I thought they could've gone up 2-0 in their first two series since Talon had a stand-in.

On the bright side, their elimination put Team Secret one step closer to qualifying, and they might have a higher chance of qualifying with Satanic filling in for 23's absence in their decider series against Aurora.

I was expecting a lot.

It's like a debut again to them participating a tier 1 tournament but they have ended too early. But just as them, Team Secret got eliminated today together with Talon Esports.

It'd be amazing to see if all three SEA teams somehow advance and win their series.

Talon is out but Blacklist International and Aurora are able to make it to the round robin stage and this is going to be a long round but still, points system. Looking at the bracketing, they should have make both sea teams on different group but then they're both on group B.

[ralle14]

Looking at the bracketing, they should have make both sea teams on different group but then they're both on group B.

Both of them landing in Group B is probably for the better because Group A is like the group of death with Team Falcons, Team Spirit, Heroic, and Azure Ray.

This is probably the farthest they can go IMO, and i'll be surprised if one of them advances to the playoffs. If they can get help from Team Liquid like what happened in DreamLeague maybe there's a possibility.

[boyptc]

Looking at the bracketing, they should have make both sea teams on different group but then they're both on group B.

Both of them landing in Group B is probably for the better because Group A is like the group of death with Team Falcons, Team Spirit, Heroic, and Azure Ray.

This is probably the farthest they can go IMO, and i'll be surprised if one of them advances to the playoffs. If they can get help from Team Liquid like what happened in DreamLeague maybe there's a possibility.

Well, not everything is going to be favorable for most of the regions and this will still end up with the strongest team and will beat everyone against all odds.

I consider any team now as a strong one and a contender and just as what we're seeing right now. Some unexpected teams were beaten and out already and some are rising.

[ralle14]

I consider any team now as a strong one and a contender and just as what we're seeing right now. Some unexpected teams were beaten and out already and some are rising.

Fair enough, some teams are slowly improving as the tournament goes on (like Tundra and Entity).

Also, good to see G2.IG is taking the lead in the other group, and they're using LGD's spot to the fullest. From what i've heard they're having financial issues that's why they couldn't participate, and that's probably why they lost one of the best midlaners to G2.IG.

[execijutiere]

EF has risen to 8th place in the HLTV rankings.We can say that this ranking is a new success for them.Really recently, incredible successes have started to come one after another in Turkish e-sports.EF, which ranked 10th in the ESL rankings, now has a better chance of getting direct invitations to big tournaments. We can say that EF is now a Tier 1 team.If you are in the top 10 in the ranking on HLTV, I think you are a tier 1 team.I think they will improve themselves in the upcoming tournaments.Especially if they use woxic's awp more actively and well, it will make their opponents more difficult.

[emrecemsan]

EF has risen to 8th place in the HLTV rankings.We can say that this ranking is a new success for them.Really recently, incredible successes have started to come one after another in Turkish e-sports.EF, which ranked 10th in the ESL rankings, now has a better chance of getting direct invitations to big tournaments. We can say that EF is now a Tier 1 team.If you are in the top 10 in the ranking on HLTV, I think you are a tier 1 team.I think they will improve themselves in the upcoming tournaments.Especially if they use woxic's awp more actively and well, it will make their opponents more difficult.

Eternal Fire have gained 4 places at one time thanks to their successful run in PGL Major. We could have done more if we didn't lose our concentration against NaVi on Inferno but it was a nice try. 

I don't know the classification for calling a team tier 1 but I think teams reaching top 10 should be called like that as long as they spend their time there. Eternal Fire also deserve this title after this hard work until this moment. But we still have a lot of work to do. We can still be fragile in an unexpected moment. We need to work on our mental strength more to stay stronger in big tournaments. This is also the key to success you know.