🕹️ Esports 🎮 Prediction & Discussion Thread

[dothebeats]

Their chase on the bottom without a black hole is hilarious. What the fracas is with the OG draft? seriously?

Their draft heavily relied on snowballing in the early game, that's why they had to make some moves, but it backfired. Drafts with TA haven't been that great and might be a good indicator to bet against as she's one of the most picked heroes but only has a 29% win rate.

On the bright side, they bounced back in the second game with the same draft (Slark, Windranger, and Enigma) they used against Entity yesterday.

TA on this patch is no longer like TA on the previous one. It relies heavily on farming and getting as much space in the map as possible to flash farm in either a Desolator or a Dagger, not unlike before that she can join fights even with a treads and a Dragon Lance so long as they have the means to disable or to catch the opponents. I think it's a good change though, because the dynamics of the game changes and the meta shifts, so those who can really keep up with the wonkiness of the patch will be the ones who will come out at top. OG isn't as good as they are before, because their aggressiveness is oftentimes rewarded with a lot of negative swings on the net worth in favor of the enemy.

[stomachgrowls]

Their chase on the bottom without a black hole is hilarious. What the fracas is with the OG draft? seriously?

Their draft heavily relied on snowballing in the early game, that's why they had to make some moves, but it backfired. Drafts with TA haven't been that great and might be a good indicator to bet against as she's one of the most picked heroes but only has a 29% win rate.

On the bright side, they bounced back in the second game with the same draft (Slark, Windranger, and Enigma) they used against Entity yesterday.

TA on this patch is no longer like TA on the previous one. It relies heavily on farming and getting as much space in the map as possible to flash farm in either a Desolator or a Dagger, not unlike before that she can join fights even with a treads and a Dragon Lance so long as they have the means to disable or to catch the opponents. I think it's a good change though, because the dynamics of the game changes and the meta shifts, so those who can really keep up with the wonkiness of the patch will be the ones who will come out at top. OG isn't as good as they are before, because their aggressiveness is oftentimes rewarded with a lot of negative swings on the net worth in favor of the enemy.

Nothing beats out to those OG's of OG team before which i do talk about Notail,Ana,Jerax,Ceb,Topson but with the current roster then i could say that it would really be never the same. In speaking about patches and
changes then its not really that a solid reason for it to be blamed out because it is really that equal or applied to everybody and there's no exemption to that, even with the slightest stat change or skills CD would definitely
make out some impact. If TA win rate isnt good for this season then why would really be trying out to pick it out but with the current map then its a huge space for farming but with the recent stat change or skills change
then its not shocking to have those degrade performance.

[dothebeats]

Their chase on the bottom without a black hole is hilarious. What the fracas is with the OG draft? seriously?

Their draft heavily relied on snowballing in the early game, that's why they had to make some moves, but it backfired. Drafts with TA haven't been that great and might be a good indicator to bet against as she's one of the most picked heroes but only has a 29% win rate.

On the bright side, they bounced back in the second game with the same draft (Slark, Windranger, and Enigma) they used against Entity yesterday.

TA on this patch is no longer like TA on the previous one. It relies heavily on farming and getting as much space in the map as possible to flash farm in either a Desolator or a Dagger, not unlike before that she can join fights even with a treads and a Dragon Lance so long as they have the means to disable or to catch the opponents. I think it's a good change though, because the dynamics of the game changes and the meta shifts, so those who can really keep up with the wonkiness of the patch will be the ones who will come out at top. OG isn't as good as they are before, because their aggressiveness is oftentimes rewarded with a lot of negative swings on the net worth in favor of the enemy.

Nothing beats out to those OG's of OG team before which i do talk about Notail,Ana,Jerax,Ceb,Topson but with the current roster then i could say that it would really be never the same. In speaking about patches and
changes then its not really that a solid reason for it to be blamed out because it is really that equal or applied to everybody and there's no exemption to that, even with the slightest stat change or skills CD would definitely
make out some impact. If TA win rate isnt good for this season then why would really be trying out to pick it out but with the current map then its a huge space for farming but with the recent stat change or skills change
then its not shocking to have those degrade performance.

Stats are one thing, meta change is another. TA is performing poorly in stats recently because the meta isn't really suited to her playstyle. OG and other teams who keep pushing in using this hero is punished hard because the flash farm - invade strategy doesn't work in this big of a map. I agree that it really is OG's fault for continuing to use an obvious lackluster hero in this patch because not only is the hero's stats decreased, she also sucks in getting objectives aside from 5-man tower pushing, which definitely is useless in the early game as they're wasting resources on a huge part of the map.

[execijutiere]

In the Astralis-Complexity match, Astralis won the match easily with the obvious performance difference of blameF and Dev1ce.elige may be a good transfer for Complexity, but there is almost no one to help elige in terms of performance throughout the team and therefore it would be ridiculous to expect more success in such tournaments.I think Astralis has built a good roster and I expect them to be better in the future as they are below their potential at the moment.
In the other match of the day, BIG won in the BIG-OG match and frankly I was not surprised.OG has formed a mixed team again and it will take time for these players to get used to each other.Former BIG player k1to contributed the most frag among them, but we can say that they still lost by a small margin.In BIG, with 2 players from the academy team, the team roster seems to be slightly settled.We can say that Mantuu also performed well against his former team.

[Mauser]

This weekend the single elimination brackets are happening in the Blast PRemier Fall tournament. A big surprise this season was BIG beating Astralis 2-1 and OG 2-1, as one of my favourite teams I am glad to see them suceed and go far. The first match today is going to be Evil Geniuses against G2, which should be an easy win for G2. They are a much stronger team and in a best of 3 match there shouldn't be any suprises. After beating EG today they are going to face NaVi tomorrow and need to win to not go to the showdown matches. NaVi has been struggling a bit lately and I would expect to G2 to win that match aswell. The second match will be Team Liquid vs Astralis, which is going to be a close match. Team Liquid is a bit stronger and should win here, but the two teams are also facing each other in the IEM Cologne 2023 Play-Ins, so there is going to be a lot of competition. Tomorrow BIG is going to face Vitality which is probably going to end the run of BIG. Vitality is still ranked #2 in the world and should have no problem beating BIG, the two teams played each other in Rio and Vitality won 2-0 without trouble. I am going to place a small bet on BIG just in case they can make their run continue, it would definitely be a nice payout for such a huge surprise.

[sunsilk]

I saw how ramzes became titled against Team Secret. Although the match ended up with a 1-1 but the first game was too easy for Team Secret and it's just like 15 minutes of game when ramzes have been continued to get killed. With the last one at the top lane of radiant, he got killed again and then typed good game well played and then disconnected.

On the otherhand, VP has already farewelled to the Riyadh and 9pandas are going to continue on the group stage. Ready your pockets boys, later we'll see the rumble from other teams as well including GG, Talon, PSG.LGD, SR and others.

Really though tournament to call out so far for me, hopefully things will get better from today. There is a couple of nice odds, mainly PSG and GG to win their first games today. I just hate it that it is BO2 games but that is why the odds are good.

Need to save my money for brackets and when we get BO3 but I couldn't resist placing some bets today as well.

I've just lost on the first map of OG and 9Pandas. Well, the early run of OG did well but then, kiyotaka's windranger was too brave enough to be the frontliner.

The game was actually good and all action not until ramzes' Alchemist got enough farm and helped with aghs for their doom and there goes the history.

It was a fun watch though with all of those early clashes.

[passwordnow]

If TA win rate isnt good for this season then why would really be trying out to pick it out but with the current map then its a huge space for farming but with the recent stat change or skills change
then its not shocking to have those degrade performance.

If I'll be the one to go for TA, I'll make sure that it's going to be a fast and mid-game. It can't stand on the mid-game if it's not yet finished. Supports can micro TA easily and if it's the position 1 of a team, it's easy for them to just lose the game. I think that the entire teams just need to see someone again play a TA at his best. I saw Quinn play a mid-TA but I think that it's not yet the best that I've seen so far this season. There are too many counters for TA lately and a perfect game play needs to have if a team wants to pick it.

[inthelongrun]

Meanwhile, hoping for Team Secret to make it to the next stage. These coming games against 9 Pandas won't be easy though. A lot of ties in the groups, I thought there are tie-breaker rules but I cannot find them.

They made it and the ties were settled by the match decider games though. It was pretty close for Team Secret but there was no doubt that they were going to make it considering that they were only playing against Execration. These teams are so bad on all Majors and International tournament that they dont really deserve all those spot


Picked these two earlier, Im confident with GG but PSG.LGD is way better than OG as well

Execration is like a bonus in every major and big tournament now. Still, it was surprising that they were able to steal a single map. Good thing for Team Secret to qualify but after 2 straight defeats, I am feeling they are done already.

Nice win by your LGD bet. It was the last that I expected to win. And here comes the GG's play style. I don't know but I felt like they are not yet giving their best. Good thing I refrain from betting on GG's series contrary to what my brother is doing. I focused on betting BetBoom's series, these guys are ruthless and they are my best pick to give GG a run for their money. Too bad my winnings are not yet enough to cover my losses on Team Secret.

[boltz]

It looks like BetBoom and Team Aster might be the strongest teams so far in Riyadh Masters but I do have faith that Talon will secure 2nd map against Aster and made them bleed a bit because since Kaka joined Aster , this team is looking a lot more powerful and disciplined during the draft and also the fights. 

[dbshck]

The first match today is going to be Evil Geniuses against G2, which should be an easy win for G2. They are a much stronger team and in a best of 3 match there shouldn't be any suprises. After beating EG today they are going to face NaVi tomorrow and need to win to not go to the showdown matches. NaVi has been struggling a bit lately and I would expect to G2 to win that match aswell. The second match will be Team Liquid vs Astralis, which is going to be a close match. Team Liquid is a bit stronger and should win here, but the two teams are also facing each other in the IEM Cologne 2023 Play-Ins, so there is going to be a lot of competition.

Agree with your prediction for today's matches. Should be easy 2-0 for G2 and a win for Liquid. It might be a close match between Liquid and Astralis, but given how they beat both FaZe and G2 earlier it's hard to bet against them.

[Eternad]

It looks like BetBoom and Team Aster might be the strongest teams so far in Riyadh Masters but I do have faith that Talon will secure 2nd map against Aster and made them bleed a bit because since Kaka joined Aster , this team is looking a lot more powerful and disciplined during the draft and also the fights. 

No doubt about Betboom since they are always consistent and can give a good close fight against GG but we all know how inconsistent Aster is especially on Upper Bracket. They always choke on the first or second round until they got knock out when they are on lower Bracket.

GG is still by far the best since they are showing same meh game during group stage then surprised everyone with different strategy during playoffs. They are not showing their trump card during non crucial games which is their weapon for their consistency on all of their majors win.

[dimonstration]

Watching OG now in a big tournament makes me think, why they are still competing at the Division 1 level. They look like a Division 3 team against XG.

This is an accurate representation of what Nigma fans used to feel when they watched Nigma played back then. Some teams are falling apart for sure especially those huge name like Nigma, Team Secret, Alliance and even now OG and fans are not really used to watch these top teams falling apart on international stage like this so yeah

Now Secret and OG are both on the bottom place on their respective Group but we al know how much they are trying just to catch up with the current string guys.

Betboom against Liquid tomorrow, this is going to be huge. Im personally betting on BB to win, waiting for better odds tomorrow

BB demolished Liquid without a sweat. Liquid is outdrafted and always relying on late game which they always failed to do. Torontotokyo is good with his current position because he provide a lot of crucial plays that gives a huge impact on team fights especially his pick off.

[arallmuus]

Betboom against Liquid tomorrow, this is going to be huge. Im personally betting on BB to win, waiting for better odds tomorrow

BB demolished Liquid without a sweat. Liquid is outdrafted and always relying on late game which they always failed to do. Torontotokyo is good with his current position because he provide a lot of crucial plays that gives a huge impact on team fights especially his pick off.

Kinda expected that to happen but what really surprised me was BB lost to Secret 0-2. That was unbelivable and considering that Secret lost two games in a row on the 1st day, its kinda seems impossible for them to actually win against BB that even swept Team Liquid under the floor. Made decent profit on BB - Liquid then lose it all up on BB - Team Secret, what a day 

[execijutiere]

In the EG-G2 match, G2 was the winner.Although G2 had a hard time against its opponent, it knew how to win in the match that went into overtime.NiKo showed a legendary performance in the match, we can say that he was the name that made the difference among the players who played and we can easily say that he was the name that actually won the match for his team.He showed an extraordinary performance by getting exactly 89 kills on 3 maps.We can say that he received over 27 kill frag on all 3 maps.
In the other match of the day, we watched the match of 2 teams that went through a renewal in their roster.The winner was the Danish team Astralis.We can say that Astralis made the team game better than its rival Liquid.In Liquid, we see that the new transfers played better in this match, but it seems that their play was not enough.

[dbshck]

In the EG-G2 match, G2 was the winner.Although G2 had a hard time against its opponent, it knew how to win in the match that went into overtime.NiKo showed a legendary performance in the match, we can say that he was the name that made the difference among the players who played and we can easily say that he was the name that actually won the match for his team.He showed an extraordinary performance by getting exactly 89 kills on 3 maps.We can say that he received over 27 kill frag on all 3 maps.

G2 were so convincing in the first map that I thought they would easily get 2-0'd EG. I wondered what went wrong with the second and third maps. Niko carried them so hard like he really didn't want to lose to EG

0/2, what a bad pick.
Placing a small bet for +1.5 BIG, expecting another upset like we have seen on EG yesterday. As for the second match, I'll be cheering and betting for Navi as usual. The market priced Navi as the underdog but looking at how shaky G2 was yesterday against EG, I'm confident Navi can take this.

[inthelongrun]

Kinda expected that to happen but what really surprised me was BB lost to Secret 0-2. That was unbelivable and considering that Secret lost two games in a row on the 1st day, its kinda seems impossible for them to actually win against BB that even swept Team Liquid under the floor. Made decent profit on BB - Liquid then lose it all up on BB - Team Secret, what a day  

Luckily I did not bet in this game because I did not want to go against Team Secret. I believe it was Map 1 that set up the momentum. The lane period went well on Team Secret and Armel and the rest were playing crazy DOTA. There were times when BB was able to catch up on their items but Team Secret was able to perfectly time their combos and managed to win crucial clashes. By the time BB went defensive, Team Secret was leading a huge net worth that enabled them to make risky huge dives and then finally get the win.

BB seemed broken during the 2nd map. Armel and Yamich started very well and once Team Secret started initiating kills, they were all over the map with BB nothing to answer. Hoping for Team Secret to continue these winning ways in their next games.

[Pulsar77]

Astralis are such an interesting team that they have eliminated Liquid by 2-0 and qualified for Fall Final. They are a quite unbalanced team I mean. They were first beaten by NaVi which have a completely new roster and which are adapting to playing as a team newly in an official tournament. But Astralis couldn't benefit from that.

Instead they eliminated one of the most in-form teams recently. Liquid really seemed to qualify for Fall Final without huge problems. I understood their being beaten by FaZe as FaZe were a really tough opponent. But Liquid were supposed to make it through Single Elimination Bracket anyway. They played horrible on Inferno which was the map they picked at the same time. They were able to win only one round as CT.

[Eternad]

Kinda expected that to happen but what really surprised me was BB lost to Secret 0-2. That was unbelivable and considering that Secret lost two games in a row on the 1st day, its kinda seems impossible for them to actually win against BB that even swept Team Liquid under the floor. Made decent profit on BB - Liquid then lose it all up on BB - Team Secret, what a day  

Luckily I did not bet in this game because I did not want to go against Team Secret. I believe it was Map 1 that set up the momentum. The lane period went well on Team Secret and Armel and the rest were playing crazy DOTA. There were times when BB was able to catch up on their items but Team Secret was able to perfectly time their combos and managed to win crucial clashes. By the time BB went defensive, Team Secret was leading a huge net worth that enabled them to make risky huge dives and then finally get the win.

BB seemed broken during the 2nd map. Armel and Yamich started very well and once Team Secret started initiating kills, they were all over the map with BB nothing to answer. Hoping for Team Secret to continue these winning ways in their next games.

Agreed on this Analysis, Betboom can't find a way to destroy Team Secret after the long game 1. Secret knew well how to deal with the aggressiveness of BB. I'm really surprised on how Secret manage to bounce back after losing back to back against Talon and Aster while  BB is much more stronger team that the first two team they met. They already got 2 wins so I guess they will survive the elimination on this grouo stage.

I'm sure team secret win destroy a lot of parlay since BB is the heavy favorite while Secret is known for being the weakest team on their group same with OG.

[arallmuus]

I'm sure team secret win destroy a lot of parlay since BB is the heavy favorite while Secret is known for being the weakest team on their group same with OG.

Well if it was 2-1 or a close game between those two then Secret won by chances though but it was a clean 2-0 from Secret which is kinda unbelivable. As of now, Betboom has continued with their 2-0 sweep across all the other teams so yeah I dont really know what actually happened against Team Secret yesterday

Anyway BB will be playing against TSM tomorrow so probably last chance to take another 2-0 sweep for BB

[boltz]

I'm sure team secret win destroy a lot of parlay since BB is the heavy favorite while Secret is known for being the weakest team on their group same with OG.

Well if it was 2-1 or a close game between those two then Secret won by chances though but it was a clean 2-0 from Secret which is kinda unbelivable. As of now, Betboom has continued with their 2-0 sweep across all the other teams so yeah I dont really know what actually happened against Team Secret yesterday

Anyway BB will be playing against TSM tomorrow so probably last chance to take another 2-0 sweep for BB

Secret is a very good team that knows how to read BetBoom movements on the map and I'm sure a lot of team have watched both replays from yesterday when they 2-0 them but it's very hard to pull out as BetBoom really loves their farm man...they farm like crazy even when they are down like 10k Networth and even then , they do find farm on the map which is crazy. I also think that BB will be in the final against one of the follows : 9Pandas, Aster, Talon or again GG.