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Question: Who will be the champion in 2023/24 season?
Manchester City - 83 (45.4%)
Liverpool - 31 (16.9%)
Arsenal - 38 (20.8%)
Chelsea - 7 (3.8%)
Manchester United - 12 (6.6%)
Totenham - 7 (3.8%)
Newcastle - 2 (1.1%)
Other - 3 (1.6%)
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September 21, 2023, 11:08:23 AM
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My feeling said that if EPL should have given trophy to the manchester city. Manchester city is not only on its good shape but city is in its prime right now. There's no team who is having stable club as manchester city.
The club consistently win in all the competitions. I think that the chance for manchester city to get another treble winner is very big right now. Playing without gundogan is not giving impact to the city.
It's not only manchester which is blue but EPL is blue now. The domination of manchester city will not be easily broken by another team as long as pep was still there.
City is on the top of everything right now. The most stable clubs in EPL with very high quality players.

Even though I agree with saying Manchester City are at a different level for the EPL at the moment but that does not mean they will already be comfortable and positioned as champions from the start of the season because in the end we have to realize this is the EPL where anything can still happen and even though Manchestet City are very good now in terms of performance but for the guarantee of champions they still cannot claim that because they and several other big EPL clubs are only still strong candidates for champions.

This is the beginning of the game even though they are strong but we certainly shouldn't be so sure because there could be some clubs that surprise just like Arsenal last season.

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Things are still going on poorly for Manchester United. They got another loss this time in the Champions League. They at least fought back and the match ended by a score like 4-3. This is still a good fight against a team like Bayern Munich in an away match. But still Erik ten Hag will continue to be criticized of course. Manchester United are expected to improve their results way more than this. They need a winning streak immediately. The Premier League is their priority of course.

If they can't finish the season in top 4 again then I think there is a serious probability of Erik ten Hag to get sacked.
Manchester United is still an unstable team, but there are many reasons why they suffered such a fate. So far several of their main players have suffered injuries and are also absent for one reason or another, so this has clearly affected their performance. Apart from that, several Manchester United players have seemed to only play for themselves rather than playing as a team. So it's not surprising that they couldn't win the match with good cooperation.

So far Manchester United has experienced 3 consecutive defeats from two different competitions. The team's overall performance was not encouraging, but people might need to realize that there was a reason behind it all. Ten Hag seems to have been under a lot of pressure early this season, but I think he should get more time to build the quality of the team as expected.

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September 21, 2023, 11:24:12 AM
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Things are still going on poorly for Manchester United. They got another loss this time in the Champions League. They at least fought back and the match ended by a score like 4-3. This is still a good fight against a team like Bayern Munich in an away match. But still Erik ten Hag will continue to be criticized of course. Manchester United are expected to improve their results way more than this. They need a winning streak immediately. The Premier League is their priority of course.

If they can't finish the season in top 4 again then I think there is a serious probability of Erik ten Hag to get sacked.
Obviously Manchester United needs to change their pattern of play and begin to have some winning streaks. One thing about Manchester United is that it was only one man that was being blamed before now and that man is Harry Maguire, but as it stands now Manchester United coach has his own quota of blame and Manchester United goalkeeper also has his own quota of blame. One of the finishers who is Marcus rashford has his own quota. Infact the team has a problem in one way or the other. They need to re-enforce and come back to little competition.

Manchester United really has a problem. Whatever this problem is, they need to solve it. Onana started to make big mistakes. We remember him from last season, which he had a very successful time at Inter, but the game he has played so far is irrelevant to last year. He concedes wrong goals and his mistake in the first goal in the Bayern Munich match is unacceptable.

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September 21, 2023, 11:46:26 AM
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My feeling said that if EPL should have given trophy to the manchester city. Manchester city is not only on its good shape but city is in its prime right now. There's no team who is having stable club as manchester city.
The club consistently win in all the competitions. I think that the chance for manchester city to get another treble winner is very big right now. Playing without gundogan is not giving impact to the city.
It's not only manchester which is blue but EPL is blue now. The domination of manchester city will not be easily broken by another team as long as pep was still there.
City is on the top of everything right now. The most stable clubs in EPL with very high quality players.

Even though I agree with saying Manchester City are at a different level for the EPL at the moment but that does not mean they will already be comfortable and positioned as champions from the start of the season because in the end we have to realize this is the EPL where anything can still happen and even though Manchestet City are very good now in terms of performance but for the guarantee of champions they still cannot claim that because they and several other big EPL clubs are only still strong candidates for champions.

This is the beginning of the game even though they are strong but we certainly shouldn't be so sure because there could be some clubs that surprise just like Arsenal last season.
EPL always presents fierce competition and it is not uncommon for the champion to be determined until the last week.
Manchester City is indeed quite good at the moment, but it must also be seen that there are several competitors who have a performance that is equal to theirs, making it possible for quite fierce competition to occur, and to become champions you not only need team strength but also have to be consistent, even though Manchester City is currently good, but nothing guarantees that the Manchester City team will be consistent until the end of the season.
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September 21, 2023, 11:54:11 AM
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My feeling said that if EPL should have given trophy to the manchester city. Manchester city is not only on its good shape but city is in its prime right now. There's no team who is having stable club as manchester city.
The club consistently win in all the competitions. I think that the chance for manchester city to get another treble winner is very big right now. Playing without gundogan is not giving impact to the city.
It's not only manchester which is blue but EPL is blue now. The domination of manchester city will not be easily broken by another team as long as pep was still there.
City is on the top of everything right now. The most stable clubs in EPL with very high quality players.

Even though I agree with saying Manchester City are at a different level for the EPL at the moment but that does not mean they will already be comfortable and positioned as champions from the start of the season because in the end we have to realize this is the EPL where anything can still happen and even though Manchestet City are very good now in terms of performance but for the guarantee of champions they still cannot claim that because they and several other big EPL clubs are only still strong candidates for champions.

This is the beginning of the game even though they are strong but we certainly shouldn't be so sure because there could be some clubs that surprise just like Arsenal last season.
Well it's true what you say, I think we would all have the same view about Manchester City's performance this season, but even with that, it doesn't guarantee that they can comfortably win the title. Competition is always there and also keep in mind that they are in the Premier League which we all know how competitive it is. It's just that maybe the difference is that their chances are greater than other teams, because they are at their highest level and arguably this is the golden era of Manchester City under Pep Guardiola. I just want to say that they should not underestimate other contestants with their current condition.

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September 21, 2023, 12:51:11 PM
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Arsenal and Manchester City continue to be consistent even in the UCL competition and this could be good capital for them to play this week's EPL match. Talking about both, this time Manchester City will play against Nottingham and I don't think this is a difficult match for Manchester City to achieve their 6th win again. Meanwhile, Arsenal actually have to play a North London derby match against Spurs and I think the result of this match will be quite difficult to predict who will win.

If we look at the H2H statistics, Arsenal is quite superior by always winning when they host Spurs, but with the same statistics at the start of this season, I am quite doubtful that Mikel Arteta's troops will be able to win this match again at the Emirates Stadium. Maybe if we want to bet then the BTTS option is the most reasonable or we can take the result of over 2.5 goals because if we bet on one of these teams the risk will be greater.

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September 21, 2023, 12:52:48 PM
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Another EPL representative Arsenal, recorded a landslide victory with a score of 4-0 in the group phase, a memorable comeback in the first match after a six-year absence in the UCL. Arteta squad looks very tough for PSV Eindhoven, Arsenal chances of winning the group are getting bigger. Meanwhile, in the EPL Arsenal have been quite consistent so far, where The Gunners are unbeaten in their last five matches.
It was quite surprising to see Arsenal manage to score 4 goals without conceding even though the opponents they faced were not considered to have the same strength as them but I think because this is the first experience for Arsenal's young squad they will face a little nervousness and can only win by a narrow score or at least play draw, but they were good enough to win the home match, especially since they were only in a fairly easy group, which will make it easier for them to qualify for the group phase, and what is also impressive is that their three strikers managed to score goals and are also team captains.

On Sunday they will start to face a difficult match against Tottenham and previously they only won narrowly over Everton, if they don't experience fatigue then they should be able to win this home match but with a fairly high level of difficulty, and Arsenal's defense must be careful because of their opponent's attack this is quite dangerous this season as proven by always scoring goals in every match they have played.

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September 21, 2023, 12:55:52 PM
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If we look at last night's match, of course Diogo Dalot played very badly as a substitute for Wan Bissaka because Bayern Munich's attacks often resulted in goals being initiated from the right side of Manchester United's defense. This proves that Diogo Dalot is not yet able to replace Wan Bissaka's role. I didn't expect this to happen again, even though Diogo Dalot is not a bad player either, but now he is really damaging the Red Devils' defense.

On the other hand, in terms of defense, other players such as Lisandro Martinez and Lindelof did not block shots from Bayern Munich players so it was easier to concede. Erik Ten Hag's job didn't seem easy because they weren't playing with their best XI squad of players.

Preciate you for pointing this out, Since Diego Dalot is not well got for the club, then that's another wing to be to some checks if they'll get to sign a new right full back. I'm not convinced with Dakot this season, too weak, Wan Bisakka defense very well but lacks that experience when it gets to attacking.
Dalot was tipped to be the best player in that position amongst his age groups of players. Erik Ten Hag would take his final decision though.

I would start by applauding Regulon for a great game yesterday, he is a warrior both games against Bayern Munich and Brighton and he has performed brightly. Manchester United lost, but focus is now on Burnley for the weekend.

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The performance of a team that has slumped is a little difficult to recover from, this applies to any competition they participate in because a team that is in a slump will certainly have their confidence and mentality decrease so it is difficult for them to recover, especially when facing a team that has quality.
Currently Manchester United is experiencing such a phase and they need momentum to be able to create a turning point in their performance and here the role of the coach is very necessary to be able to do this.
Manchester United's decline in the Premier League and UCL is because the condition of the team is currently bad, not because of intention or which match they are prioritizing.
In fact, Manchester United recent play has been underwhelming as evidenced by yet another Champions League defeat. Although their matchup with Bayern Munich seems promising Erik ten hag is under increasing pressure. The goal should always be to win every competition since victory can happen suddenly as it did when Chelsea won the Champions league in 2021. Since the Champions league represents the peak of football success no manager would voluntarily ignore it. To guarantee their spot in the top four and relieve the burden on their manager Manchester United must concentrate on raising every aspect of their performance. They should also aim for a winning streak.

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In fact, Manchester United recent play has been underwhelming as evidenced by yet another Champions League defeat. Although their matchup with Bayern Munich seems promising Erik ten hag is under increasing pressure. The goal should always be to win every competition since victory can happen suddenly as it did when Chelsea won the Champions league in 2021. Since the Champions league represents the peak of football success no manager would voluntarily ignore it. To guarantee their spot in the top four and relieve the burden on their manager Manchester United must concentrate on raising every aspect of their performance. They should also aim for a winning streak.
This season I don't expect much from Manchester United in their efforts to win titles in various competitions. Ten Hag still doesn't seem ready to guide his team to achieve such great success, so I will just be patient until the quality of this team is truly more promising.

Ten Hag basically proved his worth last season by getting Manchester United through to the Champions League, but the problems they are currently facing are too complex and ultimately won't do much good. Manchester United's performance is too poor to expect big things from it, so I don't expect much from them other than improving quality and improving the team's performance.

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September 21, 2023, 01:07:51 PM
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In fact, Manchester United recent play has been underwhelming as evidenced by yet another Champions League defeat. Although their matchup with Bayern Munich seems promising Erik ten hag is under increasing pressure. The goal should always be to win every competition since victory can happen suddenly as it did when Chelsea won the Champions league in 2021. Since the Champions league represents the peak of football success no manager would voluntarily ignore it. To guarantee their spot in the top four and relieve the burden on their manager Manchester United must concentrate on raising every aspect of their performance. They should also aim for a winning streak.
Manchester United will win streak because their next matches are against mediocre teams e.g. Burnley, Crystal Palace, Brentford and Sheffield United. But after that they will meet Manchester City and it's already obvious Manchester City will win.

Manchester United will have a tough time in order to reach top four, all they need is praying Haaland, De Bruyne, Salah, Nunez, Diaz, Saka, Odegaard, Rice are injured, so Manchester United able to compete against big teams.

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The performance of a team that has slumped is a little difficult to recover from, this applies to any competition they participate in because a team that is in a slump will certainly have their confidence and mentality decrease so it is difficult for them to recover, especially when facing a team that has quality.
Currently Manchester United is experiencing such a phase and they need momentum to be able to create a turning point in their performance and here the role of the coach is very necessary to be able to do this.
Manchester United's decline in the Premier League and UCL is because the condition of the team is currently bad, not because of intention or which match they are prioritizing.
In fact, Manchester United recent play has been underwhelming as evidenced by yet another Champions League defeat. Although their matchup with Bayern Munich seems promising Erik ten hag is under increasing pressure. The goal should always be to win every competition since victory can happen suddenly as it did when Chelsea won the Champions league in 2021. Since the Champions league represents the peak of football success no manager would voluntarily ignore it. To guarantee their spot in the top four and relieve the burden on their manager Manchester United must concentrate on raising every aspect of their performance. They should also aim for a winning streak.

First of all, they should solve the scandals within the team. I read a news a few days ago and it said that 4 Manchester United players had a fight. If it's true, it means more serious problems than Antony's are waiting for Ten Hag. They are in a difficult group, but their luck is that Copenhagen and Galatasaray drew and both earned only 1 point. Manchester United still have a chance of getting out of the group if they beat them.

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September 21, 2023, 01:18:36 PM
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This season I don't expect much from Manchester United in their efforts to win titles in various competitions. Ten Hag still doesn't seem ready to guide his team to achieve such great success, so I will just be patient until the quality of this team is truly more promising.

Ten Hag basically proved his worth last season by getting Manchester United through to the Champions League, but the problems they are currently facing are too complex and ultimately won't do much good. Manchester United's performance is too poor to expect big things from it, so I don't expect much from them other than improving quality and improving the team's performance.
The question to Ten Hag is, how many seasons must he be given the trust to make all the preparations to guide his team to achieve success?

Harry Maguire was the player to blame in his first season in England. During the transfer window, Ten Hag was given a lot of funds to spend on players so that Lisandro Martinez and several players were brought to Old Trafford with a relatively large total management expenditure.
This season, Ten Hag started his second season in declining condition. It is possible that according to what is happening, Manchester United will find it difficult to end this season in the top four of the standings.
I am happy that our team Liverpool has experienced good improvement from last season despite missing the UCL.

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I won't criticize him harshly for the defeat against Bayern Munich though. Because it was already a very difficult game for them on paper. I was even expecting a really comfortable win for Bayern Munich. But despite their scoring 4 goals the Red Devils still answered with 3 goals.
There's no need to critize this club as there was no improvement on its defensive lines. The goal keeper and defenders are facing the same problems right now as they were being too inconsistent during the game.
I see manchester untied has been regressing since the first week of EPL. Ten hag has been solving all of the problems owned by manchester united.

I don't even know why ten hag was not even doing revamp to the defensive line of manchester united. Some guys were performing so badly, like dalot or lindelof. People said that if they shall not be judge off but their performance made them all deserved to be judged.
Onana is just also adding another problem for manchester united right now. I don't even know what kind of solution to fix all of problems faced by manchester united at this moment.

It seemed to me if this problem will be preventing MU from going to further stage.

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September 21, 2023, 01:42:13 PM
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Manchester United in poor performance after three loss last three matches in a row for all competition, last two matches Manchester United have loss in Premier League matches such as Arsenal and Brighton Albion and last night loss on UEFA Champion League opening match against Bayern Munich. Lest speculation with Erik ten Hag future keep existing become Manchester United manager after poor performance in last three matches or waiting bad performance in few matches later before sacking from his position.

Lack weakness from Manchester United is on defensive position, they have conceded 10 goals in Premier League matches and 4 goals in first Champion League match, what happen upcoming match in domestic league against Burnley will Andre Onana make clean sheet or United have conceded goals again.

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September 21, 2023, 02:00:11 PM
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Manchester United are to deal with various problems these days. It seems like it won't be easy for them to pull themselves together soon. But if they don't make any proper progress until the end of the first half of the season then Erik ten Hag could be under the danger of sacking.
I won't criticize him harshly for the defeat against Bayern Munich though. Because it was already a very difficult game for them on paper. I was even expecting a really comfortable win for Bayern Munich. But despite their scoring 4 goals the Red Devils still answered with 3 goals.
However, Man United's performance in the UCL will also be considered by the club. Ten Hag made a strategy that I don't think is bad. they had problems in defense, but they were also strong in attack. the match against Munich was good enough for Man United. without seeing their final results.
The most important thing to think about is their performance in the EPL, of course looking at the current results fans won't like it. Ten Hag will have to find a way quickly to get their team up. I'm sure it can be done, looking at last season's experience which I don't think is much different from Man United's current situation.

I think Manchester United's biggest problem is their defence . And because of bad defense, the team lost points in most of the matches.  Their attack is not too strong but good enough. But their defense is very weak.

Manchester United have conceded 14 goals in their last 5 matches . This is too much. We don't expect such poor defense from a top tier team like manchester united. If Ten Hag can only strengthen the defence, I think the whole scenario of Manchester United's performance will change. But so far United's defense has failed to strengthen Ten hag. ten Hag should have added experienced defenders to the squad this season.

I wonder if Ten Hag will actually be able to find a way to perform well in the English Premier League. People say that they have improved a lot under this coach. But I honestly do not think that has happened. There might be improvement. But compared to the money that they are spending, the improvement is definitely not good enough.

But at the same time probably it is not the best move to bring another new coach. If the new coach is not really good. Someone like Zidane or maybe Pep Guardiola will be a really good decision. But we know that is almost impossible at this moment. I really don't think this is good enough results from Manchester United United. They should be performing better than this. There should be a balance between spending money and getting results. Right now, they are spending way too much money for the results that they are bringing in.

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September 21, 2023, 02:00:47 PM
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Manchester United are to deal with various problems these days. It seems like it won't be easy for them to pull themselves together soon. But if they don't make any proper progress until the end of the first half of the season then Erik ten Hag could be under the danger of sacking.
I won't criticize him harshly for the defeat against Bayern Munich though. Because it was already a very difficult game for them on paper. I was even expecting a really comfortable win for Bayern Munich. But despite their scoring 4 goals the Red Devils still answered with 3 goals.
However, Man United's performance in the UCL will also be considered by the club. Ten Hag made a strategy that I don't think is bad. they had problems in defense, but they were also strong in attack. the match against Munich was good enough for Man United. without seeing their final results.
The most important thing to think about is their performance in the EPL, of course looking at the current results fans won't like it. Ten Hag will have to find a way quickly to get their team up. I'm sure it can be done, looking at last season's experience which I don't think is much different from Man United's current situation.

I think Manchester United's biggest problem is their defence . And because of bad defense, the team lost points in most of the matches.  Their attack is not too strong but good enough. But their defense is very weak.

Manchester United have conceded 14 goals in their last 5 matches . This is too much. We don't expect such poor defense from a top tier team like manchester united. If Ten Hag can only strengthen the defence, I think the whole scenario of Manchester United's performance will change. But so far United's defense has failed to strengthen Ten hag. ten Hag should have added experienced defenders to the squad this season.
Agreed, the defensive line of manchester united has always become a never ending problem. Manchester united does not have a good line up on its defenders. This is a problem that has been facing by manchester united. The main question is why didn't ten hag solve it during the summer transfer season? Unlike Manchester City, Manchester United has a limited budget for building their club.

Im not really feelign amazing with ten hag's recruitment especially for mount which is useless for the club. My honest opinion if mount's quality was not even really worth with his price.
MU was getting scammed by chelsea to sign him with non sense price while mount seems so difficult to deliver for manchester united.

There iwll always be many criticism will come toward manchester united and ten hag if mu will not try to solve the problem in the defenders. Ten hag will only make MU to regress if he will not solve it during the winter transfer season which is still a few months away.

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September 21, 2023, 02:04:14 PM
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The question to Ten Hag is, how many seasons must he be given the trust to make all the preparations to guide his team to achieve success?

What if 4-5 seasons, but I don't think his contract will be that long if this season he fails to claim a top 4 position at the end of the season.

Harry Maguire was the player to blame in his first season in England. During the transfer window, Ten Hag was given a lot of funds to spend on players so that Lisandro Martinez and several players were brought to Old Trafford with a relatively large total management expenditure.
This season, Ten Hag started his second season in declining condition. It is possible that according to what is happening, Manchester United will find it difficult to end this season in the top four of the standings.
I am happy that our team Liverpool has experienced good improvement from last season despite missing the UCL.

Basically Manchester United has brought in some of the right players to support their coach's plans this season. But the fact is that some of these players can't play due to injuries and so on, so I think that's what causes their performance to be so uncertain. Some selfish behavior from the players is also a supporting reason, but that is just an assumption that may not be true.

Whether or not Manchester United will find it difficult to lock in a top 4 position at the end of the season really depends on strategy and player availability. Antony, Amrabat, Mason Mount and several other players might help improve performance, but so far they are not available in the squad so Ten Hag is having difficulty finding the right solution.

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September 21, 2023, 02:08:38 PM
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Manchester United in poor performance after three loss last three matches in a row for all competition, last two matches Manchester United have loss in Premier League matches such as Arsenal and Brighton Albion and last night loss on UEFA Champion League opening match against Bayern Munich. Lest speculation with Erik ten Hag future keep existing become Manchester United manager after poor performance in last three matches or waiting bad performance in few matches later before sacking from his position.

Lack weakness from Manchester United is on defensive position, they have conceded 10 goals in Premier League matches and 4 goals in first Champion League match, what happen upcoming match in domestic league against Burnley will Andre Onana make clean sheet or United have conceded goals again.
Well I hope Man United can stop their losing streak in recent weeks. Because if Man United suffers a defeat by Burnley in the current week's match. So I think the situation will get even more chaotic. It's not just about Erik Ten Heg. but also related to the club owner himself. Because as we know, many Man United fans are dissatisfied with the current owner of the Man United club. And actually Man United always wins when facing Burnley. Even in the last 5 meetings Burnley have never been able to beat Man United. Man United has a far superior squad. So I hope that Erik Ten Heg can make the best strategy and can maintain the players' motivation so that they remain highly motivated to win the match.
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September 21, 2023, 02:16:30 PM
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After successfully reviving Ajax, Ten Hag moved to Old Trafford to wake another giant, Manchester United. Despite what Erik Ten Hag says in public, Manchester United is in a difficult situation. It doesn't look like things will get any more accessible in the future for Ten Hag. Ten Hag has full rights to buy players. What the club received was a fragmented team.
Ajax Amsterdam and Manchester United are different and Ten Hag is facing with biggest challenge in his career. No doubt Manchester United is a bigger club than Ajax Amsterdam nowadays if we skip histories of two clubs. In the past, Ajax Amsterdam won some more C1 than Manchester United but those titles were many decades ago. Manchester United nowadays are bigger than Ajax Amsterdam in both their income, finance and reputation.

Expectation and pressure on Ten Hag are more bigger than in Ajax Amsterdam. He has good support from Manchester United but it also means he always has big pressure on his shoulders.

In addition to these differences, of course, the tension in the Premier League is also greater because yes, the competition in the Premier League is a very competitive competition compared to other leagues. So yes, I think it's only natural that Erik ten Hag failed in the second season with Manchester United. Even though yes, in his first season Erik ten Hag can be said to be successful. But unfortunately, because the pressure Erik ten Hag gets also continues to grow, then it will at least be difficult for Erik ten Hag to maintain a good performance for Manchester United at this moment.

Although yes, I also realize the league is still long and there is still plenty of time for Erik ten Hag to be able to recover Manchester United. But it seems, it will also not be easy and moreover, Erik ten Hag in this season must also be able to make Manchester United's performance good in the Champions League and it is a tough job for Erik ten Hag to make Manchester United rise quickly.

Erik ten Hag has full authority and finances to buy and sell players. But look at how he accepts players. Ten Hag wants replicas of Manchester City players. When taking risks when recruiting young recruits. He should have chosen a safe way to recruit famous players. I have to disagree with the view that Erik ten Hag is under pressure and is a burden. I judge the reality that Erik ten Hag wasted his money on these players. He could not connect the players into a unified team. Manchester United lost 0-2 to Tottenham in London. In the next match, they failed to Arsenal and Brighton with the same score of 1-3. There would be no reason to hide the truth.

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