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Question: Who will be the champion in 2023/24 season?
Manchester City - 83 (45.4%)
Liverpool - 31 (16.9%)
Arsenal - 38 (20.8%)
Chelsea - 7 (3.8%)
Manchester United - 12 (6.6%)
Totenham - 7 (3.8%)
Newcastle - 2 (1.1%)
Other - 3 (1.6%)
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December 12, 2023, 01:42:40 PM

In the last transfer market yesterday, we all knew that Erik Ten Heg had quite a hard time utilizing the club's budget, which turned out to be very small. Different from the budget in the previous season. So Erik Ten Heg also decided not to take the players he really wanted because he knew the club's budget would not be enough. So Ten Heg was forced to take several players with the remaining budget. We even know that after buying Onana, the Man Utd club budget didn't have much left. So if we look at this, we can't blame Ten Heg too much. It can only be said that Ten Heg is not able to maximize the ranks of players in the current squad.

I personally think that firing Ten Heg at this time may not be the best solution. But if you look at the current condition of the squad. So I also understand why many want Ten Heg to be fired. Because teamwork at the Man Utd club is really bad at the moment.
Have you forgotten that Manchester United actually does not lack good players, Rashford, Bruno, Garnacho, Casemiro, Martinez, Varane, Eriksen, Shaw, Lindelof, Amabat, Antony and even Maguire. In my opinion, all of them are still in the category of quality players with one condition: IN THE HANDS OF THE RIGHT COACH AND KNOWING HOW TO UTILIZE PLAYERS SKILLS. What about Erik Ten Hag, who has clearly forced himself with responsibilities that he is not actually able to bear. As a result, all the abilities of the Manchester United players above became invisible on the field. In the end, the audience and United fans saw the final result, it didn't matter what process Ten Hag went through because that was his job.  
I agree that Manchester United has all the quality players they want and maybe if it was in the right hands the results would be better. We know that if from the start Manchester United wanted to bring in one of the great coaches who had experience in Europe's highest competition then the result would be that they would become a strong team and even scary for other EPL teams.

But unfortunately, since the era of Sir Alex Ferguson ended, Manchester United management was not ready to bring in this coach and instead they just tried out a coach who was clearly very inadequate in carrying all the existing burdens and this is what happened. This team seems to be trying to look for new challenges by bringing in a coach whose playing mission and vision are not yet clear and that will only damage the existing legacy. I think it won't be long before they change coaches again if Erik ten Hag fails to bring Manchester United to a top 4 finish this season.

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December 12, 2023, 01:46:35 PM

Honestly Erik ten Hag has gotten enough time to turn things around for good at Man Utd, he had so far signed 16 players loan and permanent players yet the club hasn't achieve their great status due to their inconsistency in the team performance, majority of his new signings had flopped, the likes of Onana, Antony, Mason Mount, Lisandro Martínez and Tyrell Malacia hadn't perform as expected despite huge sign on paid to secure their services except Casimero, Eriksen and Rasmus Højlund who had proven their worth but injury problems had reduced their impact in the team, Rashford, Martial had lost form, while Sancho who ought have help the team is not in the good book of Erik ten Hag, I think the manager had all the time at his disposal to up the team game or performance yet not yielding any  positive results.
You definitely know that the players above are mostly Erik Ten Hag choice and when they show inconsistency it means someone is with Ten Hag. In fact the more often we pay attention the bigger the question mark becomes whether Erik Ten Hag has the capacity as a suitable coach or not for Man United. The figure of the coach determines which direction the club goes whatever its appearance it all depends on the coach who drives the club and its players. Do we completely blame the players for not returning to their best performance or is it because the coaches are less competent in developing each player abilities?

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December 12, 2023, 01:52:12 PM

Ten Hag deserves more time at Manchester United to prove himself. He came in last season and finished in the top 4. He won silverware for the club. Yes he bought players he thought was good but it didn't turn out the way he expected, not all market turn out well. He should be given more time to show his working.

I don’t know how much time Ten Hag would seemingly deserve to prove himself at the club. He wasn’t picked as the coach yesterday and he has had in my opinion, enough time to study and understand the capabilities of all his players on the team. Apparently enough time to know and go after players he thought was best to achieve his goals as a manager for the club.
I’m not rooting for his removal as the coach, but I think he has had enough time on the job for his plans to start to show some general improvement in the team.
Last season he performed very well and everyone was happy with him. Let him complete two seasons before we can say something about him being fired. He brought champions league game to old Trafford and he won manager of the month of November which means he is doing something good, but not to the expectations of the fans. Let him finish this season. January transfer window will soon be open, let him buy players and do his magic.

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December 12, 2023, 02:00:29 PM

Ten Hag deserves more time at Manchester United to prove himself. He came in last season and finished in the top 4. He won silverware for the club. Yes he bought players he thought was good but it didn't turn out the way he expected, not all market turn out well. He should be given more time to show his working.

I don’t know how much time Ten Hag would seemingly deserve to prove himself at the club. He wasn’t picked as the coach yesterday and he has had in my opinion, enough time to study and understand the capabilities of all his players on the team. Apparently enough time to know and go after players he thought was best to achieve his goals as a manager for the club.
I’m not rooting for his removal as the coach, but I think he has had enough time on the job for his plans to start to show some general improvement in the team.
Getting a new coach at this time of the league will be very risky for Manchester United. The season has already gone half and a new coach would have to build the team from scratch. Erik ten Hag is not a bad coach but he needs more time to stabilize the club, which means the management should have to be patient with him. The best decision now should be to keep him till the end of the season and his task should be to at least lead Manchester United to the Europa competition next season. After the season many good coaches will be in the market for the club to make good choices. Sacking him could bring the same experience Chelsea had after sacking Thomas Tuchel.

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December 12, 2023, 02:08:08 PM

I don’t know how much time Ten Hag would seemingly deserve to prove himself at the club. He wasn’t picked as the coach yesterday and he has had in my opinion, enough time to study and understand the capabilities of all his players on the team. Apparently enough time to know and go after players he thought was best to achieve his goals as a manager for the club.
I’m not rooting for his removal as the coach, but I think he has had enough time on the job for his plans to start to show some general improvement in the team.
Ten hag has been at Manchester united for over a season, this is like his second season at old Trafford, in his first season it was long enough and he was able to help the team qualify for the UCL and aswell they won the carabao cup and finished to four in the premier league where they had performed poorly before his arrival and after all those achievement he was applauded.

Definitely with such achievement with his team in his first season at Manchester united and now it's his second season it's obvious he should have gotten used to the players, understood them well enough and how well they play, their abilities and  comparability so definitely it's unlikely time is not what ten hag needs because he achieved something within a few time last season, he just needs to improve his tactical approach and relationship with his players and if need be scout some new players who can help him achieve his goal and he will be good that way.

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December 12, 2023, 02:44:21 PM

I don’t know how much time Ten Hag would seemingly deserve to prove himself at the club. He wasn’t picked as the coach yesterday and he has had in my opinion, enough time to study and understand the capabilities of all his players on the team. Apparently enough time to know and go after players he thought was best to achieve his goals as a manager for the club.
I’m not rooting for his removal as the coach, but I think he has had enough time on the job for his plans to start to show some general improvement in the team.
Ten hag has been at Manchester united for over a season, this is like his second season at old Trafford, in his first season it was long enough and he was able to help the team qualify for the UCL and aswell they won the carabao cup and finished to four in the premier league where they had performed poorly before his arrival and after all those achievement he was applauded.

Definitely with such achievement with his team in his first season at Manchester united and now it's his second season it's obvious he should have gotten used to the players, understood them well enough and how well they play, their abilities and  comparability so definitely it's unlikely time is not what ten hag needs because he achieved something within a few time last season, he just needs to improve his tactical approach and relationship with his players and if need be scout some new players who can help him achieve his goal and he will be good that way.

that's how it should be. As a coach who has led the team for a full season, Ten Hag should build strong relationships with his players. Such experience will give him an edge in understanding team dynamics and designing tactical approaches accordingly. and with the addition of new players this season who can strengthen the squad and meet the team's needs, Ten Hag should now be at a stage where coaching and developing certain aspects of the team's game and relationships is key to its success.
However, what happened to his discipline during training and bringing in the players he wanted, MU's performance never improved, I'm sure your problem lies with Ten Hag himself.
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December 12, 2023, 02:50:06 PM

Getting a new coach at this time of the league will be very risky for Manchester United. The season has already gone half and a new coach would have to build the team from scratch. Erik ten Hag is not a bad coach but he needs more time to stabilize the club, which means the management should have to be patient with him. The best decision now should be to keep him till the end of the season and his task should be to at least lead Manchester United to the Europa competition next season. After the season many good coaches will be in the market for the club to make good choices. Sacking him could bring the same experience Chelsea had after sacking Thomas Tuchel.
They change coaches many times in the last ten years and did not achieve anything big except the Europa League title with Jose Mourinho. They two times ended Premier League as a runner-up but with very big gaps with the league winner. After two successful seasons with a runner-up position, they fell down quickly and wiped out all hope in their fans then their rebuilding process started again and again.

Ten Hag brought some hope in the past season but in this season, he is stepping on similar failure journey like Jose Mourinho and Ole Solskjaer. Manchester United began to give their coach, Ten Hag more power against star players but it seems this strategic change has yet turned into big positive impacts in Old Trafford.

I agree that if they want to change their coach position, it is too early now to do that. They can wait until the season ending and can find a new coach in the summer. Finding a temporary coach is not a wise approach as it won't help them to have a solid long term plan for their club growth.

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Getting a new coach at this time of the league will be very risky for Manchester United. The season has already gone half and a new coach would have to build the team from scratch. Erik ten Hag is not a bad coach but he needs more time to stabilize the club, which means the management should have to be patient with him.

Maybe we can see Arteta's journey with Arsenal. But when I saw Ten Hag I was a little fed up, because the circumstances were quite different to the financial situation of Arsenal then and Man United at the moment. Arteta needs a process and builds a team with not much funds. Ten Hag is building a team with good finances. But Ten Hag's results appear to have been unexpected. I think the start of Ten Hag's season coming was quite promising. But today it seems a lot of problems and that makes Man United worse.

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Getting a new coach at this time of the league will be very risky for Manchester United. The season has already gone half and a new coach would have to build the team from scratch. Erik ten Hag is not a bad coach but he needs more time to stabilize the club, which means the management should have to be patient with him. The best decision now should be to keep him till the end of the season and his task should be to at least lead Manchester United to the Europa competition next season. After the season many good coaches will be in the market for the club to make good choices. Sacking him could bring the same experience Chelsea had after sacking Thomas Tuchel.
Erik ten Hag has actually tried to give his best, but if the players he has don't want to listen to directions and find it difficult to work as a team, then it won't produce good results. Manchester United has to look at the condition of their players. Maybe they are bored; maybe Manchester United should try to replace the players with young ones so that the chances of winning might increase because the stamina and enthusiasm of the players are definitely still high.

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Getting a new coach at this time of the league will be very risky for Manchester United. The season has already gone half and a new coach would have to build the team from scratch. Erik ten Hag is not a bad coach but he needs more time to stabilize the club, which means the management should have to be patient with him.
Maybe we can see Arteta's journey with Arsenal. But when I saw Ten Hag I was a little fed up, because the circumstances were quite different to the financial situation of Arsenal then and Man United at the moment. Arteta needs a process and builds a team with not much funds. Ten Hag is building a team with good finances. But Ten Hag's results appear to have been unexpected. I think the start of Ten Hag's season coming was quite promising. But today it seems a lot of problems and that makes Man United worse.
Building a team like what Arteta does and what Ten Hag does at Manchester United is very different. Arteta is organizing the team slowly, money is not the main weapon for Arteta to build Arsenal's strength, he has to take an approach between the main players working together solidly. While Ten Hag chose the Instant route, he relied on money to bring in quality players, of course the results could not be immediately satisfying as expected.
There are obstacles that occur, it takes time to unite players who consider themselves to have quality because they still have their own selfishness. The results of Ten Hag work can only be felt after this season ends, they will understand each other and begin to adapt to the strategies used by Ten Hag.

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They change coaches many times in the last ten years and did not achieve anything big except the Europa League title with Jose Mourinho. They two times ended Premier League as a runner-up but with very big gaps with the league winner. After two successful seasons with a runner-up position, they fell down quickly and wiped out all hope in their fans then their rebuilding process started again and again.

Ten Hag brought some hope in the past season but in this season, he is stepping on similar failure journey like Jose Mourinho and Ole Solskjaer. Manchester United began to give their coach, Ten Hag more power against star players but it seems this strategic change has yet turned into big positive impacts in Old Trafford.

I agree that if they want to change their coach position, it is too early now to do that. They can wait until the season ending and can find a new coach in the summer. Finding a temporary coach is not a wise approach as it won't help them to have a solid long term plan for their club growth.
Club officials and United management may think the same as us, replacing Ten Hag is very risky for the stability of the team while the season is underway. The option to keep Ten Hag until the end of the season also makes sense, but management cannot let go and leave Ten Hag alone, lest he fall worse than now. On the other hand, retaining Ten Hag has two possibilities in the future, what I mean is that there will be fans who will ask him to leave and there will be those who will ask him to keep him, that is what must be understood.

Apart from that, United current squad shortcomings do not only come from Ten Hag, the players and everyone involved in the club contribute to their good and bad performance. However, it is very natural that Ten Hag is first in the spotlight when United is playing badly, because he is the person most responsible for managing the team, and after that the United players themselves. Regarding the interim coach, it would be better for United not to do that, because it would be better to find a successor to Ten Hag who can work together in the long term, if they actually fire him later.

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December 12, 2023, 03:29:49 PM

The defeat against West Ham emphasizes the challenges that even big clubs face during busy schedules. The competitiveness in the Premier League, especially when there's not much time to recover between matches, can lead to unpredictable outcomes. It's a reminder that no team is immune to the effects of a congested fixture, and adaptation becomes crucial. Postecoglou's ability to navigate through these challenges, rotate the squad effectively, and maintain performance levels will be crucial for Tottenham's journey this season.
The Premier League is famous for its "Boxing Day" moment, namely the days leading up to Christmas where the Premier League teams will face a very busy schedule. A team that can face Boxing Day well is one that has good squad depth, or has a smart coach who is able to rotate players very well. I think Postecoglou is that kind of coach. I'm really looking forward to the schedule on Boxing day because as @arimamib said, match results are very unpredictable.
EPL is always having lots of surprises. People are also knowing this so well about how EPL was hardly to be predicted by anyone. Sometimes, our favorite club can also lose against mediocre team in the EPL like when chelsea was facing everton.
Everton was just humiliated chelsea like it was nothing rather than a garbage team than everton. Im losing my confidence when it must be taking a club like chelsea.

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December 12, 2023, 03:33:12 PM

that's how it should be. As a coach who has led the team for a full season, Ten Hag should build strong relationships with his players. Such experience will give him an edge in understanding team dynamics and designing tactical approaches accordingly. and with the addition of new players this season who can strengthen the squad and meet the team's needs, Ten Hag should now be at a stage where coaching and developing certain aspects of the team's game and relationships is key to its success.
However, what happened to his discipline during training and bringing in the players he wanted, MU's performance never improved, I'm sure your problem lies with Ten Hag himself.

But I think it is definitely too late for building relationships with that team. The thing is if a coach wasn't able to build good relationships with his players that he has been coaching for almost 1.5 years, how would that change for the better in the next few months then? Ten Hag is not the type of coach who understands very well how to build relationships and give everyone a group feeling or group identity. He has been constantly separating the players either from the team, or players from some specific other players by supporting one player while attacking the other player, for instance both from the same position.

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Ten Hag deserves more time at Manchester United to prove himself. He came in last season and finished in the top 4. He won silverware for the club. Yes he bought players he thought was good but it didn't turn out the way he expected, not all market turn out well. He should be given more time to show his working.

I don’t know how much time Ten Hag would seemingly deserve to prove himself at the club. He wasn’t picked as the coach yesterday and he has had in my opinion, enough time to study and understand the capabilities of all his players on the team. Apparently enough time to know and go after players he thought was best to achieve his goals as a manager for the club.
I’m not rooting for his removal as the coach, but I think he has had enough time on the job for his plans to start to show some general improvement in the team.

Basically, Erik ten Hag is not as bad as some previous coaches because after all, in his first season Erik ten Hag also managed to make Manchester United finish in the top four. Although indeed, in this second season there have been many changes made by Erik ten Hag but unfortunately, the results are not as expected because Erik ten Hag clearly failed this season compared to last season.

But yes, although many assume Erik ten Hag failed this season but the fact is yes, that Erik ten Hag still managed to make Manchester United able to compete in the top 6 at this moment. Therefore, yes, it is not wrong if you say Erik ten Hag still deserves to be given more time at Manchester United. Because after all, at least Erik ten Hag can also still make Manchester United able to compete in the upper zone in the Premier League standings, and not fall to the middle zone or the lower zone as well.

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December 12, 2023, 03:54:07 PM

Last season he performed very well and everyone was happy with him. Let him complete two seasons before we can say something about him being fired. He brought champions league game to old Trafford and he won manager of the month of November which means he is doing something good, but not to the expectations of the fans. Let him finish this season. January transfer window will soon be open, let him buy players and do his magic.
I trust the process, but if there is no progress, obviously I am also disappointed. Including Man United, they suffered setbacks for this season. Maybe giving a chance is an option, and he should be given a deadline and maybe the end of the season if there is no improvement then he has to leave. He had been given a lot of money to buy, but he couldn't take advantage of it. The players and the philosophy of the game seem to be unsuitable for English football.
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that's how it should be. As a coach who has led the team for a full season, Ten Hag should build strong relationships with his players. Such experience will give him an edge in understanding team dynamics and designing tactical approaches accordingly. and with the addition of new players this season who can strengthen the squad and meet the team's needs, Ten Hag should now be at a stage where coaching and developing certain aspects of the team's game and relationships is key to its success.
However, what happened to his discipline during training and bringing in the players he wanted, MU's performance never improved, I'm sure your problem lies with Ten Hag himself.
But I think it is definitely too late for building relationships with that team. The thing is if a coach wasn't able to build good relationships with his players that he has been coaching for almost 1.5 years, how would that change for the better in the next few months then? Ten Hag is not the type of coach who understands very well how to build relationships and give everyone a group feeling or group identity. He has been constantly separating the players either from the team, or players from some specific other players by supporting one player while attacking the other player, for instance both from the same position.

Coach Ten Hag's relationship with the players is  not good. And we have heard  several times in the media that Ten Hag acts like a dictator. However, it is easy to see that Ten Hag's relationship with the players is not good. And  he has been the coach of Manchester United for a long time, so far he has not been able to build  a good relationship  with the players. It is unlikely that he will be able to improve this relationship in the future. It's time to fire the Ten Hag. Manchester United  management should look for a new coach. Ten Hag should no longer be trusted by Manchester United management.

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December 12, 2023, 04:20:16 PM

Basically, Erik ten Hag is not as bad as some previous coaches because after all, in his first season Erik ten Hag also managed to make Manchester United finish in the top four. Although indeed, in this second season there have been many changes made by Erik ten Hag but unfortunately, the results are not as expected because Erik ten Hag clearly failed this season compared to last season.
It is true that Erik Ten Hag is still far behind compared to previous coaches, but on the other hand he also needs to unite players and clubs with one goal. So, this is where several problems emerged which apparently made Ten Hag interfere and even be unable to show good relations with some of his players. Ten Hag feels entitled, but sometimes the coach does not always limit his relationship with the players, therefore on the field the players look quite stressed and awkward, as a result there is no solid teamwork.

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December 12, 2023, 04:48:36 PM

It is true that Erik Ten Hag is still far behind compared to previous coaches, but on the other hand he also needs to unite players and clubs with one goal. So, this is where several problems emerged which apparently made Ten Hag interfere and even be unable to show good relations with some of his players. Ten Hag feels entitled, but sometimes the coach does not always limit his relationship with the players, therefore on the field the players look quite stressed and awkward, as a result there is no solid teamwork.
There are some coaches that have the power to either elevate a club or downgrade a club, Manchester United have suffered from the hands of some coaches. Manchester United is an elite club, no one would stand the chance of beckoning on a club that's inconsistent in performance, let alone depend on the Red Devils. Erik Ten Hag is a strict coach, he's a curious manager that doesn't applies disciplinary measures outside his tents, instead he keeps all the pressures on his players and his intends is merely to top up his points and heightened his reputation in Old Trafford.

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December 12, 2023, 04:54:35 PM

Last season he performed very well and everyone was happy with him. Let him complete two seasons before we can say something about him being fired. He brought champions league game to old Trafford and he won manager of the month of November which means he is doing something good, but not to the expectations of the fans. Let him finish this season. January transfer window will soon be open, let him buy players and do his magic.
I trust the process, but if there is no progress, obviously I am also disappointed. Including Man United, they suffered setbacks for this season. Maybe giving a chance is an option, and he should be given a deadline and maybe the end of the season if there is no improvement then he has to leave. He had been given a lot of money to buy, but he couldn't take advantage of it. The players and the philosophy of the game seem to be unsuitable for English football.
True, I am also someone who believes in process, but that process must also be accompanied by something that is enough to make us believe that there will indeed be improvement. What happens now is that I don't see that improvement, unlike when he first came, he seemed to build his own philosopy of the game, but it's not enough just like that, what I see now is even the same as their previous coach.
I'm not a fan of the club, but as a football fan, of course I can feel something that their supporters feel.
It's not enough to stop there, I mean the coach is not the one who is completely at fault here, because the role of management to support the needs of the coach must also be something to be considered.

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Getting a new coach at this time of the league will be very risky for Manchester United. The season has already gone half and a new coach would have to build the team from scratch. Erik ten Hag is not a bad coach but he needs more time to stabilize the club, which means the management should have to be patient with him.
Maybe we can see Arteta's journey with Arsenal. But when I saw Ten Hag I was a little fed up, because the circumstances were quite different to the financial situation of Arsenal then and Man United at the moment. Arteta needs a process and builds a team with not much funds. Ten Hag is building a team with good finances. But Ten Hag's results appear to have been unexpected. I think the start of Ten Hag's season coming was quite promising. But today it seems a lot of problems and that makes Man United worse.
Building a team like what Arteta does and what Ten Hag does at Manchester United is very different. Arteta is organizing the team slowly, money is not the main weapon for Arteta to build Arsenal's strength, he has to take an approach between the main players working together solidly. While Ten Hag chose the Instant route, he relied on money to bring in quality players, of course the results could not be immediately satisfying as expected.
This is really really wrong. Arsenal has been breaking a new record caused by arteta has become the manager that had most spending compared with the old manager. Look at how arsenal was paying a lot of money for declan rice and havertz. Arguing arteta built the club without money is really really wrong. Calling hundreds millions as small amounts of money is also unacceptable. We needs to say about the fact. There are also many proof in the various news. I think that we shall open our eyes if arsenal under kroenke is able to spending more money for the club rather than the old owner.
This is also the main reason arteta was also

I think that any clubs are building their clubs with the help of money right now. The fact that if manchester city became even better since it has owned by the new owner which was putting oil's money to get him.
I just try to say the fact that if money is playing as main important thing to determine the result from the league too.  You have money and you can do everything.

Even you can build new los galacticos club.

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