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It is Ten Hag's job to overcome these problems, and if there are still no significant changes, I think Man United will have to look for a replacement for him.
If Manchester united can try to replace Ten Hag this season, then they are getting everything wrong, their performance will end up getting worse, at least they are able to win some weak teams even as we all know they are struggling before they will win, but if they can change their coach, and sure they will be losing almost all their matches before the ending of the season, which they will end the season in a worst position. We all know the players are also suppose to be blamed, if the players are not really really to perform well, even after getting a new coach, i don't think their will be changes in Manchester united performance. Over the years they've sacked too many coaches, Ten Hag is not a bad coach, and he knows about the difficulties around the club ans still wanted the job. It shows how much he loves the club and will do anything for the fans and the club. I doubt they'll be replacing Erik Ten Hag for that would be wrong and unwise decision to make. They should rather sell out a couple of name within Manchester United. Some players are not up to the task. They should not be soft with them and chase whoever doesn't suits tue long term plans of thr club. I agree with you that the case of Manchester United is not the problem of the present coach. According to you he was aware of the Manchester United problems and yet he decided to still coach Manchester United which to me shows love rather than wanting to try his luck. Erik Ten Hang has proven himself in Ajax. So, many people can attest he is a good coach, even if not that excellent. Can we remember the words of Rednack who was called to coach and discover the Manchester United problems. He said that Manchester United needs a set of new players. This could mean a set of new competent players.
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To me, this was not surprising at all. Chelsea is definitely not performing well. And I do not expect consistency from them. But to some people, it might be a little surprising that they have actually lost against Everton who are trying desperately to stay out of the relegation zone. But I do not think that distracted performance is that much unexpected from Chelsea. Someone in this thread said that the Chelsea authority is trying to keep the coach that they have right now. But I don't think that is a good idea. Especially looking at the results high. Definitely do not think that it is going to work in the long term. Pochettino has given the best of what he has, but he still failed to build a squad and the mentality of his players to compete after being down. Chelsea's performance is very unstable and it is a very difficult problem to solve in a short time, but fans' expectations about it are very high. Chelsea will most likely still fail this season in the competition in the Premier League. They still haven't changed and that won't change in the near future even if management fires Pochettino and brings in a new coach. I think firing Pochettino is not a good idea at this time because he still needs time to build a team mentality, he even needs to bring in several new players who suit his strategy.
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December 11, 2023, 04:03:05 PM |
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Velvet78, this was a good performance from Tottenham. A good comeback I have to say. Even though they were not able to keep a clean sheet in this match, they have definitely done well to win by a big score. Probably now they will be able to be consistent in their performance. They were performing really well and looked really good to actually be the best contender for the English Premier League title. But after that, the losing streak that they had recently, has definitely put them out of the place. And they will also have to work really hard to actually get back the first position of the table. The good thing is, even though they have lost a lot of matches one after another, they are still only 7 points behind compared to the first team on the table. So it is still very much within their reach.
It is really unfortunate of Tottenham to be that much away from the leader in the standings. Because they lost so many points for many weeks straight. While we were talking about Ange Postecoglou effect over the team they suddenly started to lose points quite often. But hopefully this recent win can be some motivation for them to maintain a good streak. This team still have a very difficult job to do this season. Because even Manchester City are having difficult days and Arsenal - Liverpool - Aston Villa trio are benefiting from the situation great. Yeah even Aston Villa are in the title competition now thanks to Emery.
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December 11, 2023, 04:09:37 PM |
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It is Ten Hag's job to overcome these problems, and if there are still no significant changes, I think Man United will have to look for a replacement for him.
If Manchester united can try to replace Ten Hag this season, then they are getting everything wrong, their performance will end up getting worse, at least they are able to win some weak teams even as we all know they are struggling before they will win, but if they can change their coach, and sure they will be losing almost all their matches before the ending of the season, which they will end the season in a worst position. We all know the players are also suppose to be blamed, if the players are not really really to perform well, even after getting a new coach, i don't think their will be changes in Manchester united performance. Over the years they've sacked too many coaches, Ten Hag is not a bad coach, and he knows about the difficulties around the club ans still wanted the job. It shows how much he loves the club and will do anything for the fans and the club. I doubt they'll be replacing Erik Ten Hag for that would be wrong and unwise decision to make. They should rather sell out a couple of name within Manchester United. Some players are not up to the task. They should not be soft with them and chase whoever doesn't suits tue long term plans of thr club. I agree with you that the case of Manchester United is not the problem of the present coach. According to you he was aware of the Manchester United problems and yet he decided to still coach Manchester United which to me shows love rather than wanting to try his luck. Erik Ten Hang has proven himself in Ajax. So, many people can attest he is a good coach, even if not that excellent. Can we remember the words of Rednack who was called to coach and discover the Manchester United problems. He said that Manchester United needs a set of new players. This could mean a set of new competent players. And whenever the rebuild and both sale and buying of players begins, too much expectations leads to disappoinment. Manchester United will be back better but the so called fans are not ready to wait to face obstacles. Jose Mourinho also said finishing second for Manchester United was the best thing he achieved for that club. Ajax is not Manchester United, he should make sure he picks a squad without bias. Tottenham really played well, Son on the left wing made more sense than him playing CF. He was able to link Richardlison to score, Udogie and also scoring from the spot kick. They played good and Pedro Porro should have scored if not that his effort strucked the wood work.
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December 11, 2023, 04:36:16 PM |
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Even though Newcastle only won 2 of their last 5 matches but yes, at least you can see which teams Newcastle managed to beat in those 2 wins. Because after all, Newcastle got these two wins by beating Manchester United and Chelsea and yes, at least two teams These are the two top teams in the Premier League. Even though indeed, at this moment Manchester United and Chelsea also experiencing a decline in performance, but I guess it is still a good result for Newcastle.
After all, at this moment at least Newcastle is not in stable performance but even so, Newcastle is still in the top 7 positions in the Premier League standings this moment. So yes, with this result, I think Newcastle still has a good result in a situation where the team is not completely good too.
In my opinion, Newcastle's defeat is a normal thing in football, even though playing away does not mean that Newcastle is able to find points at home to Tottenham Hotspur and it is very clear that Newcastle is having difficulty finding opportunities, even shots on goal are only 3 to 12 for Tottenham Hotspur, this is clearly not balanced in terms of attack and defense. H. SON appeared stunning, this player deserved to be the best player in the match, because he provided 2 assists and 1 goal from the penalty spot which really helped the attack after attack which was built by Tottenham Hotspur's children, even though the two clubs were thirsty to be satisfied with current standings, because no one has moved up or down from the Premier League standings.
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December 11, 2023, 04:40:18 PM |
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Well, the small was very small caused by three matches were getting half win but it's not too bad. At least i can still win some pennies rather than losing my money. Some matches are giving unbelievable result like city vs luton. I have been putting city better in everything compared to the luton town but the thing that was shocking him if city was almost losing caused by luton took the lead of the game. I never thought that was happening. The match between leverkusen vs stuttgart was also giving me half win too. Even though the odds were very small but it's still making me feel good caused by i was predicting it all correctly. It will be very hard to predict the upcoming games of UCL. I think that EPL teams are not also in good shapes at this moment. Let's take a look at the newcastle. My feeling said that if newcastle will be out or goes to the europa league. I think that the biggest issue owned by newcastle probably on its defensive lines. Newcastle was always conceding lots of goals. This is more than enough to be used as a strong proof about how to garbage the defensive line of newcastle. Newcastle must be so careful when it will be facing the last match day, a mistake can cost newcastle's chance to qualify. The match against totenham was also giving unpredictable result. I thought that newcastle was winning the game.
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December 11, 2023, 04:51:03 PM |
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The problem with Man United is not just the goalkeeper or striker but I think all their lines are not playing like a solid team. There was no strong bond between them, even it is often seen that some of them tend to play individually. Dribbling and penetration are sometimes necessary, but it is often forced and ignore teammates who are in good positions to score goals, isn't that just a ridiculous move?
Sometimes, I do think along the same lines. In a football team, everyone playing the game has a role to play and has a share of either the losses and the glory. Watching them play sometimes, I don’t see any unity in them and they lack to act and play together as a team. They should be of one mind if they want to achieve their goals. Manchester City, In their games sometimes, play exceptionally well and with their players in sync, playing with one mind with one vision to score goals and win the game. Unfortunately, Manchester United rarely plays with their players in sync. Yeah that's actually what distinguishes Manchester City from Manchester United because Manchester City has the spirit of togetherness that's why they always defeat there opponent by playing as a team that understands each other, that's actually what makes Manchester City to become were they are now and the things they have actually achieved. For every club to achieve anything or go far in every league there most be an understanding between the players and the goalkeeper and if perhaps the understanding is not there they are bound to fail, perhaps that's what Manchester United is suffering now because of lack of understanding and inability to work as a team. But why does Manchester City have that spirit? It is because Guardiola understands how to form a team out of a bunch of players. Otherwise we could say that Manchester City would be as successful when ten Hag was their coach, but I am sure that would not be the case. On the contrary, if Guardiola was the coach of Manchester United, I am pretty confident that they would be much better off. There is still a difference in the quality of players as Manchester City has players like Haaland. But there is a lot of potential in the Manchester United team. It would be a nice experiment to see these coaches switch their teams The Manchester City team has been somewhat weak since the beginning of this season. Because two important players in their squad Gundogan and De Bruyne are not with the squad. Gundogan left the team and De Bruyne is out of the squad this season due to injury. Manchester City's performance this season has been slightly weaker than last season due to the loss of two key midfield players. However, Manchester City's performance was relatively stable due to Guardiola's match strategy. The team would still have been at the top of the table if they had not lost points consistently in the last few matches. However, after dropping points in the last few matches, they found a win against Luton Town. It is expected that Manchester City's performance will be stronger in the upcoming matches.
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Seven defeats have belonged to Man United with Ten Hag this season. There was a push to sack Ten Hag after the loss to Bournemouth. Danny Murphy became the one to say that. Losing At Oldtraford and in front of Man United's management was terrible. In addition, the team faced is the bottom team. Ten Hag takes full responsibility with all because he's a major factor in decision-making with regards to players and match results. No transfer has been said to have been successful in the Ten Hag era. Players do not have a fighting mentality.
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December 11, 2023, 04:59:17 PM |
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Velvet78, this was a good performance from Tottenham. A good comeback I have to say. Even though they were not able to keep a clean sheet in this match, they have definitely done well to win by a big score. Probably now they will be able to be consistent in their performance. They were performing really well and looked really good to actually be the best contender for the English Premier League title. But after that, the losing streak that they had recently, has definitely put them out of the place. And they will also have to work really hard to actually get back the first position of the table. The good thing is, even though they have lost a lot of matches one after another, they are still only 7 points behind compared to the first team on the table. So it is still very much within their reach.
It is really unfortunate of Tottenham to be that much away from the leader in the standings. Because they lost so many points for many weeks straight. While we were talking about Ange Postecoglou effect over the team they suddenly started to lose points quite often. But hopefully this recent win can be some motivation for them to maintain a good streak. This team still have a very difficult job to do this season. Because even Manchester City are having difficult days and Arsenal - Liverpool - Aston Villa trio are benefiting from the situation great. Yeah even Aston Villa are in the title competition now thanks to Emery. The thing is Tottenham had a lot of injured players. Especially in the defensive line. So the other teams actually took advantage of that. And I have to say it was well done by the other teams. They saw an opportunity and they took full advantage of that and I have to give them credit for it. Of course, the one to suffer was Tottenham. But now they are back in winning ways. I hope they will be able to continue performing like this. They will actually have to perform well like this if they actually want to have any shot towards the English Premier League title. They are already behind by 7 points, so they cannot afford to lose any more points at this moment.
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December 11, 2023, 04:59:22 PM |
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This team still have a very difficult job to do this season. Because even Manchester City are having difficult days and Arsenal - Liverpool - Aston Villa trio are benefiting from the situation great. Yeah even Aston Villa are in the title competition now thanks to Emery. I don't know what Aston Villa is doing in top 4 positions but the teams above them are doing good right now and teams under them are fluctuating badly including Manchester City! Tottenham Hotspur followed Manchester City to break the bad records, otherwise in terms of goals, then Manchester United have the worst goals scored to goals received ratio with minus three goals and only 18 goals scored in 16 rounds! Comparing to the other teams, only 5 clubs have a worse scoring than them, from 15th position and so on.
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December 11, 2023, 05:00:55 PM |
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The Manchester City team has been somewhat weak since the beginning of this season. Because two important players in their squad Gundogan and De Bruyne are not with the squad. Gundogan left the team and De Bruyne is out of the squad this season due to injury. Manchester City's performance this season has been slightly weaker than last season due to the loss of two key midfield players. However, Manchester City's performance was relatively stable due to Guardiola's match strategy. The team would still have been at the top of the table if they had not lost points consistently in the last few matches. However, after dropping points in the last few matches, they found a win against Luton Town. It is expected that Manchester City's performance will be stronger in the upcoming matches. 100% right! We are still talking about Manchester City and it is still a world class team, but you are right that if you compare this season Manchester City to last season Manchester City, there is quite a significant difference. Now this is easily said because they could not win several games recently, but the whole style and intensity of their game decreases and I concur with you that the midfield is their weak spot due to Gundogan and De Bruyne being out. What this duo pulled off last season was insane and they built one of the most impressive midfields I have ever seen. Gundogan out of a sudden became a top scorer for the most important goals and De Bruyne played in his own league. The dominance is gone and it was due to these two players that Manchester City could maintain it for so long last season.
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December 11, 2023, 05:00:59 PM |
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Seven defeats have belonged to Man United with Ten Hag this season. There was a push to sack Ten Hag after the loss to Bournemouth. Danny Murphy became the one to say that. Losing At Oldtraford and in front of Man United's management was terrible. In addition, the team faced is the bottom team. Ten Hag takes full responsibility with all because he's a major factor in decision-making with regards to players and match results. No transfer has been said to have been successful in the Ten Hag era. Players do not have a fighting mentality.
I also support the fact that I think ten Hag needs to be sacked, his performance this season has been below average and I think the board of Manchester united has giving him enough time. He has actually caused more harm to Manchester united than good, don't forget Cristiano Ronaldo warned Manchester united against him and after that he has had fall out with promising talents like Jaden Sancho. It's just not working and Manchester united has to know that.
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December 11, 2023, 05:22:38 PM |
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This team still have a very difficult job to do this season. Because even Manchester City are having difficult days and Arsenal - Liverpool - Aston Villa trio are benefiting from the situation great. Yeah even Aston Villa are in the title competition now thanks to Emery. I don't know what Aston Villa is doing in top 4 positions but the teams above them are doing good right now and teams under them are fluctuating badly including Manchester City! Tottenham Hotspur followed Manchester City to break the bad records, otherwise in terms of goals, then Manchester United have the worst goals scored to goals received ratio with minus three goals and only 18 goals scored in 16 rounds! Comparing to the other teams, only 5 clubs have a worse scoring than them, from 15th position and so on. Aston villa are really pushing hard for the title composition which I see that in them, I have much confidence in them because they have defeated all the strongest teams we have right now. If Aston villa can continue I believe they will land themselves in champions league zone. I don't expect Chelsea and Manchester United in the europa zone because of their performance, but Tottenham Hotspur is capable of making it, they are just left behind because of injury challenges and I believe if the squad is fully back they can make a difference.
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December 11, 2023, 05:29:45 PM |
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Seven defeats have belonged to Man United with Ten Hag this season. There was a push to sack Ten Hag after the loss to Bournemouth. Danny Murphy became the one to say that. Losing At Oldtraford and in front of Man United's management was terrible. In addition, the team faced is the bottom team. Ten Hag takes full responsibility with all because he's a major factor in decision-making with regards to players and match results. No transfer has been said to have been successful in the Ten Hag era. Players do not have a fighting mentality.
I also support the fact that I think ten Hag needs to be sacked, his performance this season has been below average and I think the board of Manchester united has giving him enough time. He has actually caused more harm to Manchester united than good, don't forget Cristiano Ronaldo warned Manchester united against him and after that he has had fall out with promising talents like Jaden Sancho. It's just not working and Manchester united has to know that. In my own opinion, I think Erik Ten Hag is currently one of the luckiest managers in world football at the moment because it's very rare to see a manager who's underperformed as much as the Dutch has done for a big European club like Manchester United and still remain as the club. Just like Danny Murphy suggested, Ten Hag should've been released of his duties as the club manager but it seems the club management is still keeping faith with him because they think he can still improve the result of the club. They have a very crucial game to play against Bayern Munich tomorrow in the UEFA Champions League and if Manchester United fails to reach the knockout stages of the competition after that game, they're very likely to get rid of Erik Ten Hag.
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December 11, 2023, 05:39:27 PM |
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I also support the fact that I think ten Hag needs to be sacked, his performance this season has been below average and I think the board of Manchester united has giving him enough time. He has actually caused more harm to Manchester united than good, don't forget Cristiano Ronaldo warned Manchester united against him and after that he has had fall out with promising talents like Jaden Sancho. It's just not working and Manchester united has to know that.
You mentioned these players and you're correct about the details you dropped. Erik Ten Hag has had a falling out with most of his key players this season; there is little he can do to reconcile with his players; instead, he is intent on controlling his respects and acts toward his squad. Suggesting Erik Ten Hag's dismissal is not advantageous for the club because we should be well aware of the team's serious situation, and every other manager has little to add other than testing their techniques with a completely newt tactics.
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December 11, 2023, 05:40:15 PM |
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This team still have a very difficult job to do this season. Because even Manchester City are having difficult days and Arsenal - Liverpool - Aston Villa trio are benefiting from the situation great. Yeah even Aston Villa are in the title competition now thanks to Emery. I don't know what Aston Villa is doing in top 4 positions but the teams above them are doing good right now and teams under them are fluctuating badly including Manchester City! Tottenham Hotspur followed Manchester City to break the bad records, otherwise in terms of goals, then Manchester United have the worst goals scored to goals received ratio with minus three goals and only 18 goals scored in 16 rounds! Comparing to the other teams, only 5 clubs have a worse scoring than them, from 15th position and so on. Aston villa are really pushing hard for the title composition which I see that in them, I have much confidence in them because they have defeated all the strongest teams we have right now. If Aston villa can continue I believe they will land themselves in champions league zone. I don't expect Chelsea and Manchester United in the europa zone because of their performance, but Tottenham Hotspur is capable of making it, they are just left behind because of injury challenges and I believe if the squad is fully back they can make a difference. What's really blowing me away is their record for the home games. They truly are operating a fortress in their home stadium! They won 100% of their games there and it is not just that they won those games, but how they destroyed most of their opponents there. Although I saw that Liverpool also has a perfect record for their home games. Now they will have a couple of games against weaker opponents, except for maybe Manchester United in two weeks. But if they continue like this then the game against Manchester United could be some big points for them as they can increase the distance to Manchester United and leave them behind once and for all for this season.
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December 11, 2023, 05:44:41 PM |
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Chelsea just have a lot to do other than Pochettino asking for new crop of players to be signed. I was really disappointed by their performance yesterday and from how they played, it showed glaringly that they don't have any tactics. How can you bench players like Sterling and Jackson? Although he(Jackson) is still finding his feet, but you can agree that he plays a great role in the attack. Everton are like an injured lion and won't try to take any chances so I didn't expect Pochettino to do so with his team. This is the second time in a row that they have lost in their away game and it's sad that instead of Pochettino to admit they messed up, he blamed their performance on lack of good players and I'm beginning to wonder if he knows what he's talking about. Last transfer window, Chelsea spent above a billion pounds on purchasing players and I thought that with that amount spent, they'd be in the top four or close but what are we seeing? Currently they are twelfth. It's as if ever since Todd Boehly took over the club, their lot is to between the tenth and twelfth position.
Yep that's right, since Todd Boehly took over the club a lot of controversy has occurred, be it a matter of spending on players who are careless and sacking coaches who make no sense. Currently chelsea has a lot of changes both in terms of the game and the mentality of the players, I'm sure the chelsea dressing room after consecutive away defeats must be chaotic, moreover experienced players in the EPL such as Rahim Sterling are reserved, Chelsea does not have much time to clean up soon half the season will end if this continues next year Chelsea will not play in the UCL again. Many factors must be improved from the team both tactics and mentality of the players, Pochettino is not an experienced coach both in the EPL. What makes me even less pleased with the club is that they've not really gotten a tangible reason as to why their performance is shaky. Other clubs will blame it on the UCL and Europa games coming up but Chelsea have none of these to worry about yet they keep acting this way. Is it that they've not tasted relegation that's why they are being this lackadaisical? Maybe if they should have been in Everton's shoes, they would try to be serious? For me, it's not about getting more players that will solve their problem because you'll agree with me that they've got good players, it's just Pochettino who doesn't know how to use them. Imagine that with all the players they signed, we are still getting this weak results, does he think it's when they've got more that it will help? Chelsea and Man UTD are having similar problems in terms of management and if nothing is done to fix it, they'd keep going up and down without any improvement.
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Aston villa are really pushing hard for the title composition which I see that in them, I have much confidence in them because they have defeated all the strongest teams we have right now. If Aston villa can continue I believe they will land themselves in champions league zone. I don't expect Chelsea and Manchester United in the europa zone because of their performance, but Tottenham Hotspur is capable of making it, they are just left behind because of injury challenges and I believe if the squad is fully back they can make a difference.
I don't think Aston Villa sets a target for the title. They must realize that it is something very difficult to achieve because there are many strong teams in EPL. I assume Aston Villa just tries their best to finish in UCL zone, so they can make a history to play in UCL for the next season. It will be another surprise if Aston Villa joins UCL next season after Newcastle joins the UCL for this season. Sure, they are very confident now, they could beat Man City and Arsenal, these are the strong teams in EPL. For the next matches, I assume Aston Villa can beat Man United and Newcastle. It should be easier than Man City and Arsenal.
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December 11, 2023, 05:49:56 PM |
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Seven defeats have belonged to Man United with Ten Hag this season. There was a push to sack Ten Hag after the loss to Bournemouth. Danny Murphy became the one to say that. Losing At Oldtraford and in front of Man United's management was terrible. In addition, the team faced is the bottom team. Ten Hag takes full responsibility with all because he's a major factor in decision-making with regards to players and match results. No transfer has been said to have been successful in the Ten Hag era. Players do not have a fighting mentality.
I also support the fact that I think ten Hag needs to be sacked, his performance this season has been below average and I think the board of Manchester united has giving him enough time. He has actually caused more harm to Manchester united than good, don't forget Cristiano Ronaldo warned Manchester united against him and after that he has had fall out with promising talents like Jaden Sancho. It's just not working and Manchester united has to know that. I agree with you. He had problems with many players and proved to us that he was the main problem in the team. Erik Ten Hag is now doing more harm than good to the team and I'm sure there are a lot of people waiting for him to leave the team. Manchester United is a legendary team and its history is full of successes. It is very unfair for the fans to experience such bad times.
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I also support the fact that I think ten Hag needs to be sacked, his performance this season has been below average and I think the board of Manchester united has giving him enough time. He has actually caused more harm to Manchester united than good, don't forget Cristiano Ronaldo warned Manchester united against him and after that he has had fall out with promising talents like Jaden Sancho. It's just not working and Manchester united has to know that.
You mentioned these players and you're correct about the details you dropped. Erik Ten Hag has had a falling out with most of his key players this season; there is little he can do to reconcile with his players; instead, he is intent on controlling his respects and acts toward his squad. Suggesting Erik Ten Hag's dismissal is not advantageous for the club because we should be well aware of the team's serious situation, and every other manager has little to add other than testing their techniques with a completely newt tactics. Yeah sometimes too much discipline also does harm to the team and we can see this in the case of Manchester United here. I still think that Erik ten Haag is a good technical coach but he has to loose himself a little sometimes. Right now United are in a very difficult stage and I also think that he has to get some chances to the options that he has and make changes so that he can turn around the performance of United otherwise yes he will be sacked very soon.
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