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Question: Who will be the champion in 2023/24 season?
Manchester City - 89 (46.1%)
Liverpool - 32 (16.6%)
Arsenal - 39 (20.2%)
Chelsea - 7 (3.6%)
Manchester United - 14 (7.3%)
Totenham - 7 (3.6%)
Newcastle - 2 (1%)
Other - 3 (1.6%)
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May 25, 2024, 10:52:30 PM


Both teams have both won trophies this season, although not the same trophy and Manchester United really deserves to get the FA Cup trophy for this season. Likewise, Manchester City is also more deserving of the Premier League trophy this season thanks to the strength they have built so far so that both of them are equally worthy of bringing home a trophy that is in accordance with the abilities they have this season. And yes, congratulations to Manchester United for successfully winning the FA Cup trophy this season.
congratulations to Manchester United, they really deserve to get the FA Cup trophy this season.

The match between Man City vs Man Utd was very exciting, even throughout the 90 minutes of the match there were many opportunities that were successfully created by Man City, it's just that Man Utd looked very lucky in this match, 2 of Man Utd's goals came in the first half while 1 of Man City's goals happened in the second half, it was really exciting match.
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Both teams have both won trophies this season, although not the same trophy and Manchester United really deserves to get the FA Cup trophy for this season. Likewise, Manchester City is also more deserving of the Premier League trophy this season thanks to the strength they have built so far so that both of them are equally worthy of bringing home a trophy that is in accordance with the abilities they have this season. And yes, congratulations to Manchester United for successfully winning the FA Cup trophy this season.
congratulations to Manchester United, they really deserve to get the FA Cup trophy this season.

The match between Man City vs Man Utd was very exciting, even throughout the 90 minutes of the match there were many opportunities that were successfully created by Man City, it's just that Man Utd looked very lucky in this match, 2 of Man Utd's goals came in the first half while 1 of Man City's goals happened in the second half, it was really exciting match.
After the match ended, Pep Guardiola commented by saying congratulations to Manchester United, they deserved to win the trophy because they played better than us today. The difficulties experienced by Manchester United encouraged them to play better, Ten Hag squad managed to take advantage of the best opportunity to play in the Europa League next season even though they finished in 8th place in the standings. Manchester City actually also played well, it can be seen in terms of ball possession and the number of shots they fired, but Manchester United played more effectively.

It's fair enough if you look at the trophies they won, Manchester City managed to win the Premier League trophy for the fourth time in a row, however losing the opportunity to lift the FA Cup trophy was still disappointing. Meanwhile, even though the FA Cup trophy is less prestigious, Manchester United should be proud of their success, because they have the opportunity to play in the Europa League next season. With these results, in my opinion, Ten Hag should be considered as manager of Manchester United next season, even though many parties are urging the club owner to fire this Dutch coach.

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May 25, 2024, 11:39:47 PM

After the match ended, Pep Guardiola commented by saying congratulations to Manchester United, they deserved to win the trophy because they played better than us today. The difficulties experienced by Manchester United encouraged them to play better, Ten Hag squad managed to take advantage of the best opportunity to play in the Europa League next season even though they finished in 8th place in the standings. Manchester City actually also played well, it can be seen in terms of ball possession and the number of shots they fired, but Manchester United played more effectively.

Even though we know it was the opposite, cause Manchester City played better and held the ball mostly. Well, Manchester United were very good at defence and made it very difficult for Manchester City to create good chances and find the back of the net but Manchester United Utilitised their chances properly and scored two goals ahead of their neighbours and that's deserving. If you noticed, before the game commenced, City were favorites to win they were given about 1.30 odds whereas United were given 10.00 odds I was to bet on United but I couldn't follow my instincts I got carried away by other people's comments that winning the EPL would boost Manchester City's players to win double trophies this season, forgetting that a lot of United players who didn't feature for a while were back on the pitch and I think that influenced the winning cause their defense was much more better today than other days this season. Anyways congratulations to United on winning the FA for the 2023/24 season  but I hope Eric Ten Hag is given a second chance and not sacked.

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May 25, 2024, 11:48:57 PM

If I'm not mistaken, Man United has the right to get a ticket to the Europa League by successfully winning the FA Cup, even though in terms of the points table in the Premier League they finished in 8th position. If Man United fails, then Chelsea will get a ticket to the Europa League That, and Pochettino squad next season will only have the right to go to the Confederation League. It is possible that Man United officials will forgive Ten Hag for the results they have achieved, and give Ten Hag the opportunity to remain manager next season.
Yepp, indeed.
Because Man United won the final match of FA Cup, it is confirmed that man united will go to UEFA Europa League with Tottenham. Yes, even though Man United is in 8th place, because they managed to win the FA Cup, this is one of their privileges, they entered the Europa League. And Chelsea will be in the Europa Conference League. While Newcastle, they must be out of the race.

Source: Race for European football

Here is the simple pic to look at:

Source: Manchester United qualify for the Europa League

Now, congratulations to Man United.
Many people thought you would lose, but you proved otherwise. You have done your best and made your club enter the UEFA Europa League.

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Both teams have both won trophies this season, although not the same trophy and Manchester United really deserves to get the FA Cup trophy for this season. Likewise, Manchester City is also more deserving of the Premier League trophy this season thanks to the strength they have built so far so that both of them are equally worthy of bringing home a trophy that is in accordance with the abilities they have this season. And yes, congratulations to Manchester United for successfully winning the FA Cup trophy this season.
congratulations to Manchester United, they really deserve to get the FA Cup trophy this season.
A mistake from ortega and gvardiol has costed the club a lot. City was using high line defensive which was so bad. Congratulation for manchester united getting FA cup trophy combined with europa league trophy. It's sad chelsea must be leaving from europa league caused by this.
Chelsea is now playing in the conference league. Garnaho has become a savior for manchester united. Manchester city's defensive line was so weak in the final of FA cup.


The match between Man City vs Man Utd was very exciting, even throughout the 90 minutes of the match there were many opportunities that were successfully created by Man City, it's just that Man Utd looked very lucky in this match, 2 of Man Utd's goals came in the first half while 1 of Man City's goals happened in the second half, it was really exciting match.
United used a defensive counter attack strategy as its main strategy. The club knew that if they should not play offensively against manchester city.

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The match between Man City vs Man Utd was very exciting, even throughout the 90 minutes of the match there were many opportunities that were successfully created by Man City, it's just that Man Utd looked very lucky in this match, 2 of Man Utd's goals came in the first half while 1 of Man City's goals happened in the second half, it was really exciting match.
United used a defensive counter attack strategy as its main strategy. The club knew that if they should not play offensively against manchester city.

Manchester United played it well and were able to limit the damage that could be done by Manchester City and ended up beating them by two goals to one. Eric Ten Hag achieved his mission in FA Cup although rumours said that he was sacked the day before!
Ten Hag doesn't seem to be bothered by these reports and he announced that he will simply move on. Building Manchester United again will require a lot of energy and efforts. He considered himself and the team in the correct path. I don't think that Manchester United recovered yet but I am not that optimistic either with most coaches to fix the issues.

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A mistake from ortega and gvardiol has costed the club a lot. City was using high line defensive which was so bad. Congratulation for manchester united getting FA cup trophy combined with europa league trophy. It's sad chelsea must be leaving from europa league caused by this.
Chelsea is now playing in the conference league. Garnaho has become a savior for manchester united. Manchester city's defensive line was so weak in the final of FA cup.

That mistake wasn't what killed the confidence of the Citizens, even before getting into this game they (Manchester City) have already lost the game, we know how sharp Pep's boys are whenever they're playing against UTD but on that encounter it was completely different, their body language was different. It was as if they weren't there and you could see how some players slip on the pitch and give wrong passes (which hardly happens) they weren't clinical at all.
I still don't know what happened to Manchester United, it seems like ETH got a new squad to play against City, to be honest this is the Manchester United we have been expecting to see all season when ever they play in the EPL even against Man City by making the game look interesting and challenging, I'd give it to them, is a big win to UTD.
Chelsea on the other hand don't need to cry over this new development because whichever competition they find themselves they should know that is worth it and it shows that you need nobody to rely on to give you what they want because they were hoping on City to win to enable them play UEL next season, who knows if it might happen that they (Chelsea) will go and become conference league champions.

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That mistake wasn't what killed the confidence of the Citizens, even before getting into this game they (Manchester City) have already lost the game, we know how sharp Pep's boys are whenever they're playing against UTD but on that encounter it was completely different, their body language was different. It was as if they weren't there and you could see how some players slip on the pitch and give wrong passes (which hardly happens) they weren't clinical at all.
It is simply not Manchester City day because they create enough pressure, opportunities and make some good shots that can help them to score at least two goals, but they only got one goal. Just one more goal and the final can be different but it's a day for Manchester United and Manchester City was lack of luck in this match. They will regret about the mistake in defense that changed the match but with remaining time, they actually have enough time to equalize it. They just don't play well enough and efficient enough in this match.

Manchester United win FA Cup but will ETH be kept as their next coach because rumor says that he will be sacked.

Ten Hag doesn't seem to be bothered by these reports and he announced that he will simply move on. Building Manchester United again will require a lot of energy and efforts. He considered himself and the team in the correct path. I don't think that Manchester United recovered yet but I am not that optimistic either with most coaches to fix the issues.
He need to take very last chance to secure his coach position and I disagree to say he did not mind anything about future of his coach position in Old Trafford after recent terrible results of his team.

I really don't think only one FA Cup can help Ten Hag to save his position because his coach management will be assessed through a long season, not in a single match. Generally this season is not good for him in any assessment with any criteria from Manchester United boss.

I only wonder will they try to give him one more season as last chance for Ten Hag. They can do this if they feel like they don't want to repeat similar approach with previous coaches but even he will be given one more season to show off his coach capability, it will be his last chance.

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Still, we will not consider Manchester United weak, but we know Manchester United performance this season is too bad because they failed to maintain their consistency to stay in the top 4 rankings like last season. For Erik Ten Hag, the final match was definitely quite difficult because they faced one of the best and strongest teams at the moment.
We will watch Pep Guardiola and Erik Ten Hag in the final match where these two coaches will provide effective tactics to bring their team to the championship title.

The final match will be unpredictable. On paper, City are clearly the favorites because they want to get a double after previously being eliminated in the Champions League. City also have good squad depth and have quality players above United. But I think we can't underestimate Manchester United. It was surprising when they achieved such a poor result against Coventry. They drew after United took the lead with a 3-0 lead. But the final match will certainly be different. United will go all out. They don't want to waste the opportunity to get at least one trophy this season.

Unbelievable outcome. I never expected Manchester City to lose by a close margin against Manchester united in this game, some serious mistakes being made by city's goal keeper and defnder. The mistake committed by Ortega has also revealed the distinction between Ortega and Ederson since ederson is much more calmly in decision making. Ederson made far less mistakes than Ortega. This is why Pep was not using Ortega as the primary goalkeeper and always try to use ederson as main goal keeper.
An error that could cost the club the trophy. Good luck to the city next time. This season marks the return of MU to the Europa League and it was also making chelsea goes to the conference league. Things were going so well for Ten Hag's team until Ortega made a huge error by going up front.

Gvardiol has failed to communicate with City's goalkeeper. It wouldn't be a goal unless Ortega was moving up. We'll see what INEOS's decision is for ten hag.
Ten Hag was supposed to be fired after failing to win the FA Cup. Things have been going really nicely for United in the late game.

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That mistake wasn't what killed the confidence of the Citizens, even before getting into this game they (Manchester City) have already lost the game, we know how sharp Pep's boys are whenever they're playing against UTD but on that encounter it was completely different, their body language was different. It was as if they weren't there and you could see how some players slip on the pitch and give wrong passes (which hardly happens) they weren't clinical at all.
It is simply not Manchester City day because they create enough pressure, opportunities and make some good shots that can help them to score at least two goals, but they only got one goal. Just one more goal and the final can be different but it's a day for Manchester United and Manchester City was lack of luck in this match. They will regret about the mistake in defense that changed the match but with remaining time, they actually have enough time to equalize it. They just don't play well enough and efficient enough in this match.

Manchester United win FA Cup but will ETH be kept as their next coach because rumor says that he will be sacked.

Manchester City woke up very late in that game if not why would we be having almost all the players not as aggressive as they used to be in the EPL and if they had applied much pressure like we know they used to do, I don't think Man UTD would have gotten 2 goals ahead of them. To me I'd say Manchester City were still having that celebration of winning the EPL title 4 times in a row, it was banging in their head.
As for the defense of City it was solid, just that error from Gvardiol, aside from that I don't see the Citizens causing any other mistakes that they need to be pissed about, the major thing is that City underestimated Man UTD.
ETH is the happiest man right now and he'll for ones sleep and have a sweet dream, he can as well be seeing his team lifting the FA CUP, if they're talking about sacking him I believe it will all end as a rumor but if they sack ETH, it will be on the board because the club won't be the same.

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The match between Man City vs Man Utd was very exciting, even throughout the 90 minutes of the match there were many opportunities that were successfully created by Man City, it's just that Man Utd looked very lucky in this match, 2 of Man Utd's goals came in the first half while 1 of Man City's goals happened in the second half, it was really exciting match.
United used a defensive counter attack strategy as its main strategy. The club knew that if they should not play offensively against manchester city.

Manchester United played it well and were able to limit the damage that could be done by Manchester City and ended up beating them by two goals to one. Eric Ten Hag achieved his mission in FA Cup although rumours said that he was sacked the day before!
Ten Hag doesn't seem to be bothered by these reports and he announced that he will simply move on. Building Manchester United again will require a lot of energy and efforts. He considered himself and the team in the correct path. I don't think that Manchester United recovered yet but I am not that optimistic either with most coaches to fix the issues.
No one could have expected the developments in the FA Cup final between Man City and MU to be so unexpected and exciting. Coach Erik Ten Hag clearly showed his intention to defend tightly when he let Fernandes play behind Garnacho and Rashford. All remaining MU players focused on protecting Onana's goal. The explosive performances of the young stars helped MU defeat rival Man City in the final, thereby winning a ticket to attend the Europa League next season.

Coach Erik ten Hag smiled brightly as he celebrated with his students. He understands that this season's FA Cup could be the salvation for the shaky head coach position at Old Trafford. The fact that MU defeated Man City in the FA Cup final was a surprise. In a poor season, MU was able to defeat the Premier League champion. Understandably, they celebrated passionately.

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The match between Man City vs Man Utd was very exciting, even throughout the 90 minutes of the match there were many opportunities that were successfully created by Man City, it's just that Man Utd looked very lucky in this match, 2 of Man Utd's goals came in the first half while 1 of Man City's goals happened in the second half, it was really exciting match.
Manchester United will equipped themselves next season, they have to put in their best because winning ought to be the next important thing on their minds. Watching Manchester United coming out to celebrate their big winnings, really a tough one to deal with on Pep Guardiola side and Manchester City, a total dissapointment for them. Manchester City dominated the game but ended up becoming victims of defeats after the shocking winning run from the Red Devils.

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United won the Manchester derby. It was really strange that City couldn't win this game despite having a full squad. Even though they focused on the game and had the ball throughout the match, they couldn't win. United managed to win the match with goals in the first half and won the cup.United performed poorly in the league but at least ended the season with a trophy
Erik Ten Hag have added another trophy to his archive because he's underrated this season and have always been criticized by the fans for his incompetent actions to elevate Manchester United.  Manchester City gave always been the favorite club to win FA Cup from the early starting of the season but it turns out they run out of luck and got defeated by their rival, Manchester United. Shocking to see the Red Devils crowned winners of the FA Cup because they're among these vulnerable elite teams that have fought really hard and struggle this season.

I think, the president of Manchester united will allow Erik Ten Hag to continue the managerial service with Manchester united next season, because he has showed some improvement that he is capable to help Manchester united to win next season premier league title, because they where able to defeated Manchester city yesterday to achieved FA cup. Manchester united really displayed well from this FA final, because they where able to gain many chances to scored two goals in the first half without allowed Manchester city to score a goal from the 45 minutes they played. I know that Manchester city lose some strength during the premier league competition, which is the reason Manchester united players achieved all those opportunity to win the title from Manchester city.

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Manchester City with the EPL trophy, Liverpool with the EFL trophy, and Manchester United with the FA Cup trophy. However, there is one team that is always the talk of the town every season and failed to win a single trophy in all competitions this season. The red team from North London is certainly embarrassed to see the performance of each of these teams, especially for Manchester United, who finished in 8th position was not an obstacle for them to be able to get the trophy by beating Manchester City in the final round of the Fa Cup.

I can't stop laughing when I see this meme circulating on Twitter and it seems like this is a fact that football fans cannot deny. Arsenal is indeed good by finishing in 2nd place in the standings but that also doesn't mean anything with the hype they always create every season and in the end they only become temporary trophies for other teams.

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I think, the president of Manchester united will allow Erik Ten Hag to continue the managerial service with Manchester united next season, because he has showed some improvement that he is capable to help Manchester united to win next season premier league title, because they where able to defeated Manchester city yesterday to achieved FA cup. Manchester united really displayed well from this FA final, because they where able to gain many chances to scored two goals in the first half without allowed Manchester city to score a goal from the 45 minutes they played. I know that Manchester city lose some strength during the premier league competition, which is the reason Manchester united players achieved all those opportunity to win the title from Manchester city.
TBH, actually many fans want to see Man United get a new coach to try to find a big surprise from another coach, but if that is Man United decision, the fans can only accept that decision and just try to believe that Ten Hag can provide something best in the coming season despite having a few doubts.
however, regarding Man United winning against Man City, do you believe that it was a pure victory from Man United performance?
sorry about this, it doesn't mean I doubt Man United but logically Man City should be able to win the title but we also have to be realistic that Man United and Man City are like brothers and on the one hand MU currently finishes in 8th position and doesn't get a ticket to compete in prestigious competition, but after winning the FA Cup title, at least MU won a ticket to appear in the European League competition next season.

that doesn't mean I think Man City is just giving in to Man United, but in reality that's what happened because before the match started I had an inkling that it would be possible for Man City to give his brother the FA Cup title so he could get a European League ticket for the following season.
and it turns out what I said came true and I had time to test my hunch, betting on the most comfortable option, even though the odds weren't too big, but at least my hunch was right.

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Manchester City with the EPL trophy, Liverpool with the EFL trophy, and Manchester United with the FA Cup trophy. However, there is one team that is always the talk of the town every season and failed to win a single trophy in all competitions this season. The red team from North London is certainly embarrassed to see the performance of each of these teams, especially for Manchester United, who finished in 8th position was not an obstacle for them to be able to get the trophy by beating Manchester City in the final round of the Fa Cup.

I can't stop laughing when I see this meme circulating on Twitter and it seems like this is a fact that football fans cannot deny. Arsenal is indeed good by finishing in 2nd place in the standings but that also doesn't mean anything with the hype they always create every season and in the end they only become temporary trophies for other teams.


Arsenal is never seeking to break with tradition by remaining trophyless in any season and they never feel bored with this, as a club with no UCL and claiming it as one of big teams in english is a joke. Arsenal is now being mocked by Manchester United fans for being a trophyless club and i must admit united is having better performance this season compared to the arsenal. It did not even surprise me. I couldn't name it Arsenal because the club was constantly winning trophies.

Arsenal has specialized into a trophy-less club. I will be a disaster if arsenal will keep being trophyless till upcoming season. Arsenal may be possible in sacking arteta to leave from the club. So many meme about arsenal is always coming any season.
I hope this team can do better rather than only guarding the trophy instead of winning it.

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Manchester City with the EPL trophy, Liverpool with the EFL trophy, and Manchester United with the FA Cup trophy. However, there is one team that is always the talk of the town every season and failed to win a single trophy in all competitions this season. The red team from North London is certainly embarrassed to see the performance of each of these teams, especially for Manchester United, who finished in 8th position was not an obstacle for them to be able to get the trophy by beating Manchester City in the final round of the Fa Cup.

I can't stop laughing when I see this meme circulating on Twitter and it seems like this is a fact that football fans cannot deny. Arsenal is indeed good by finishing in 2nd place in the standings but that also doesn't mean anything with the hype they always create every season and in the end they only become temporary trophies for other teams.
Lol, once again I saw a lot of memes circulating on social media with Arsenal being the main actor, that's because they managed to finish in 2nd place but they didn't get a trophy, while a team that was in decline could be successful in the FA Cup by beating Manchester City.

However, in my opinion, they don't have to worry about that, because just finishing in second place is already an achievement for them. For me, achievements don't always have to be trophies (although it cannot be denied that a title is the goal of a team), especially if the team is a team that has just risen from adversity. Showing good progress for the future is also a good thing, because in the future maybe they will be able to win titles that they don't get now.

Arsenal need to make that a motivation so they can get better, the progress is visible, they just need to improve again and maintain their consistency.

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United won the Manchester derby. It was really strange that City couldn't win this game despite having a full squad. Even though they focused on the game and had the ball throughout the match, they couldn't win. United managed to win the match with goals in the first half and won the cup.United performed poorly in the league but at least ended the season with a trophy
Erik Ten Hag have added another trophy to his archive because he's underrated this season and have always been criticized by the fans for his incompetent actions to elevate Manchester United.  Manchester City gave always been the favorite club to win FA Cup from the early starting of the season but it turns out they run out of luck and got defeated by their rival, Manchester United. Shocking to see the Red Devils crowned winners of the FA Cup because they're among these vulnerable elite teams that have fought really hard and struggle this season.
I think, the president of Manchester united will allow Erik Ten Hag to continue the managerial service with Manchester united next season, because he has showed some improvement that he is capable to help Manchester united to win next season premier league title, because they where able to defeated Manchester city yesterday to achieved FA cup. Manchester united really displayed well from this FA final, because they where able to gain many chances to scored two goals in the first half without allowed Manchester city to score a goal from the 45 minutes they played. I know that Manchester city lose some strength during the premier league competition, which is the reason Manchester united players achieved all those opportunity to win the title from Manchester city.

I also think we will see Ten Hag as Manchester United coach next season.   Manchester United won the FA Cup final. And the important thing is that Manchester United won this match by defeating a strong team like Manchester City. And one of the main reasons for winning this match is Ten Hag's match strategy.   Ten Hag's match strategy was very good in this match compared to any previous match.

Guardiola's Manchester City played very well in this match.   City players attacked a lot. Then Manchester United could not break the defense. And I think because of the FA Cup win Manchester United management will keep Ten Hag as coach next season.

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Lol, once again I saw a lot of memes circulating on social media with Arsenal being the main actor, that's because they managed to finish in 2nd place but they didn't get a trophy, while a team that was in decline could be successful in the FA Cup by beating Manchester City.

However, in my opinion, they don't have to worry about that, because just finishing in second place is already an achievement for them. For me, achievements don't always have to be trophies (although it cannot be denied that a title is the goal of a team), especially if the team is a team that has just risen from adversity. Showing good progress for the future is also a good thing, because in the future maybe they will be able to win titles that they don't get now.

Arsenal need to make that a motivation so they can get better, the progress is visible, they just need to improve again and maintain their consistency.

Actually, Arsenal has been stable since the start of the season, but in several matches, they failed to maintain their dominance in the game, apart from that, the goal difference between Man City and Arsenal is quite large, Arsenal's attackers are still less sharp than Man City's attackers, Haaland is the EPL's top scorer this season while None of Arsenal's strikers are on the top scorer list.



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May 26, 2024, 07:26:27 AM

The match between Man City vs Man Utd was very exciting, even throughout the 90 minutes of the match there were many opportunities that were successfully created by Man City, it's just that Man Utd looked very lucky in this match, 2 of Man Utd's goals came in the first half while 1 of Man City's goals happened in the second half, it was really exciting match.
United used a defensive counter attack strategy as its main strategy. The club knew that if they should not play offensively against manchester city.
Man City actually gave Man United a win, if Man City were still playing in the Champions League then it is very likely that Man City would not have let Man United win the FA Cup title, of course Man City would have made a long history by winning the triple winner for two seasons, because There hasn't been a club like that in any big club, no one has done that, if Man City is able, then it's very likely that Man City is the only English league club that won the triple winner for the second time during this time.

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