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Question: Who will be the champion in 2024/25 season?
Manchester City - 35 (49.3%)
Liverpool - 10 (14.1%)
Arsenal - 21 (29.6%)
Chelsea - 0 (0%)
Manchester United - 4 (5.6%)
Totenham - 0 (0%)
Newcastle - 0 (0%)
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July 10, 2024, 11:46:09 AM

The Chelsea owner has made a large investment to rejuvenate the team. I think the steps taken were very appropriate, but the club board did not synchronize with the manager so that the efforts made did not work well. Yes, maybe Enzo Maresca will also be very worried about this happening, he will not be given freedom in managing players so he will be the one who will again be blamed for the team's performance. So for this reason, Enzo Maresca really wants full support from the club owner and board so that he can fully control the team.

Large investment to rejuvenate the team? In which aspect? I admit that they’re investing a huge amount of money into that club but it’s not an appropriate approach to rejuvenate the club. Having money to invest in a team is one thing and doing the right investment is another. In the case of Chelsea, there’s money for investment but they’re not doing the right investments.

Chelsea have spent huge sums of $dollar in the transfer market for the last two windows but unfortunately, they spent on low level players who could not bring the desired results for them. The owners should allow the couch to make choice of players he thinks can get him result without the interference of the management. By doing this, there won’t be any excuse for failure eventually.











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July 10, 2024, 12:38:08 PM

The Chelsea owner has made a large investment to rejuvenate the team. I think the steps taken were very appropriate, but the club board did not synchronize with the manager so that the efforts made did not work well. Yes, maybe Enzo Maresca will also be very worried about this happening, he will not be given freedom in managing players so he will be the one who will again be blamed for the team's performance. So for this reason, Enzo Maresca really wants full support from the club owner and board so that he can fully control the team.
Todd Boehly seems to be much more patient this time with the new coach he brought to Chelsea. Because he definitely realizes that if the club continues to change coaches it will only make it difficult for Chelsea to develop and it will be difficult for the young players who have been brought in to develop. So this time I think Enzo Maresca will be calmer in coaching the Chelsea club. In fact, in an article I read Frank Lampard advised Todd Boehly to be patient with Maresca in building the Chelsea squad.


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https://soccer.indozone.id/news/984734472/pesan-frank-lampard-kepada-todd-boehly-soal-penunjukkan-enzo-maresca-sebagai-pelatih-anyar-chelsea
This is quite positive news for the Blues because they are quite tired of Boehly many decisions which often make fans angry. If Boehly accepts the fact that the process must be carried out in stages, of course Chelsea can focus more on certain targets with a new coach. The point is that Chelsea just needs certainty from club management, continuous changing of coaches is very bad, especially in the EPL it requires a struggle to get back to the ideal point. Next season there is no reason for Enzo to be pressured, if Boehly has given him freedom then we hope Chelsea can again secure a UCL ticket next season.

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July 10, 2024, 01:12:00 PM

Arne Slot is not burdened with a big target and he is not given that responsibility in the near future. Realistically, the Premier League is still a feud of two teams, Manchester City and Arsenal, the team has shown its rivalry in the last two seasons and is predicted to continue.

I will still respect Liverpool, because they are one of the elite teams in the Premier League only for next season with the transition period from Klopp to the slot so it certainly takes time and is not easy for him to go straight into the competition. If the slot is able to manage the team quite well, the hope finish in the top four is still open.
Liverpool is also aware of this, even Jurgen Kloop himself did not immediately show good performance when he first coached Liverpool, he also needed time, therefore the club also treated Arne Slot the same. Even though the club is not burdening him, I think he will still do the best he can, it would be better if he could bring Liverpool like last season to compete in the title race but yeah I don't expect much Grin

We'll see how Arne Slot leads this big club but what is clear is that reaching the top 4 in the EPL is not easy, especially since Liverpool also have to play in the Champions League, so Arne Slot has a very tough task in stabilizing Liverpool's performance and hopefully not experiencing such a decline. drastic.
Right now, Arne Slot won't suffer what Klopp had to go through when he joined Liverpool. There are players already in the team that can be a good start for him if he uses their talent well to his advantage. Liverpool still has Salah, Nunes, and many other players that are ready for the next season. We might be shocked that in his debut season, the club will extremely well more than previous season when we the fans are expecting to see a decline in performance.

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July 10, 2024, 01:33:40 PM

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Right now, Arne Slot won't suffer what Klopp had to go through when he joined Liverpool. There are players already in the team that can be a good start for him if he uses their talent well to his advantage. Liverpool still has Salah, Nunes, and many other players that are ready for the next season. We might be shocked that in his debut season, the club will extremely well more than previous season when we the fans are expecting to see a decline in performance.
This is a burden for Arne Slot, he inherited an established squad that Jurgen Klopp has successfully built. Arne Slot is required to be able to maintain Liverpool performance like when Jurgen Klopp was still managing him. Currently, Liverpool has quality players and their performance under Jurgen Klopp direction is also very good. At least he has to maintain Liverpool performance in his first season. If he fails to make Liverpool achieve full results in four or five matches at the start of the season, Arne Slot will be in the spotlight and Liverpool fans will blaspheme him for being unable to handle Liverpool like Jurgen Klopp once did.

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July 10, 2024, 02:08:33 PM

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Right now, Arne Slot won't suffer what Klopp had to go through when he joined Liverpool. There are players already in the team that can be a good start for him if he uses their talent well to his advantage. Liverpool still has Salah, Nunes, and many other players that are ready for the next season. We might be shocked that in his debut season, the club will extremely well more than previous season when we the fans are expecting to see a decline in performance.
This is a burden for Arne Slot, he inherited an established squad that Jurgen Klopp has successfully built. Arne Slot is required to be able to maintain Liverpool performance like when Jurgen Klopp was still managing him. Currently, Liverpool has quality players and their performance under Jurgen Klopp direction is also very good. At least he has to maintain Liverpool performance in his first season. If he fails to make Liverpool achieve full results in four or five matches at the start of the season, Arne Slot will be in the spotlight and Liverpool fans will blaspheme him for being unable to handle Liverpool like Jurgen Klopp once did.
One thing that I like in Liverpool is that they are always patient with their new coaches for him to adapt with the players and impact his football tactics on the players for better performance, that is what will make them still keep Arne Slot if he fails to manage the team the way Klopp have kept the standard.

It might be somehow difficult for Slot in the beginning but I believe that with time he will be able to achieve his purpose of coming to Liverpool as a coach. However, if the players don't see good results coming out from Slot strategy, they might start leaving the club and that might start the downfall of Liverpool just like when Benitez left Liverpool.

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July 10, 2024, 02:32:20 PM

Liverpool is also aware of this, even Jurgen Kloop himself did not immediately show good performance when he first coached Liverpool, he also needed time, therefore the club also treated Arne Slot the same. Even though the club is not burdening him, I think he will still do the best he can, it would be better if he could bring Liverpool like last season to compete in the title race but yeah I don't expect much Grin

We'll see how Arne Slot leads this big club but what is clear is that reaching the top 4 in the EPL is not easy, especially since Liverpool also have to play in the Champions League, so Arne Slot has a very tough task in stabilizing Liverpool's performance and hopefully not experiencing such a decline. drastic.
That's realistic, Liverpool's management is quite aware of this and it's a little profitable for Arne Slot because he doesn't have a big burden, this is different from Chelsea's management.lol.

In his first season I was also not sure that Arne Slot could keep Liverpool in the top 4, it is not easy to win against Premier League teams competing at the top, we have seen this from several Premier League teams in the past.
However, if Liverpool management continues to entrust Arne Slot to the process of building this team, it is possible that he can make Liverpool even better.

It’s difficult for every manager to enter the Premier League for the first time. And to have your first season in the biggest, most competitive league in the world with a club like Liverpool is definitely not an easy job. The pressure is immense, the expectations are high, the intensity is extreme.

What we can say for sure is that it will be hard, but the fans and players have to keep faith on their head coach, and give it their all to reach as high as they can. Arne Slot’s philosophy is admirable, and he has a good work ethic. Let’s see what happens. But we have to be realistic about what we expect for what's to come. As Arne said himself,
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You can look at it both ways, it's big shoes to fill or it's a team who has a winning culture.


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Being a good player is not a criteria to becoming a good coach. In fact, there's a trend of most average players who turn out to be great managers of their time. The likes of Sir Alex Ferguson, Pep Guardiola, Conte, Arsene Wenger where not really talked about as top players during their professional careers but performed exceptionally well in their managerial careers. Interesting enough, there are players like Thierry Henry, Paul Scholes, Rooney, Gerrard and the likes of Lampard that we are talking about. Seasoned managers like Jose Mourinho never really played professionally as players yet he recorded great milestones during his active years.
So in essence, a good career will not be a guarantee if being a coach can bring success to the team you are managing and in fact that is how it is so far. The great coaches you mentioned have the capacity to win various titles with the brilliant tactics they have and I think we rarely see that today.

Meanwhile, the new young coach who went from being a club legend couldn't even apply his neat system when he became an active player and perhaps this is his individualistic ability that must be questioned. The EPL has always been a place of competition for great coaches and unfortunately we haven't seen that return and maybe Pep Guardiola will still be a coach who has no competitors for a while.
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One thing that I like in Liverpool is that they are always patient with their new coaches for him to adapt with the players and impact his football tactics on the players for better performance, that is what will make them still keep Arne Slot if he fails to manage the team the way Klopp have kept the standard.

It might be somehow difficult for Slot in the beginning but I believe that with time he will be able to achieve his purpose of coming to Liverpool as a coach. However, if the players don't see good results coming out from Slot strategy, they might start leaving the club and that might start the downfall of Liverpool just like when Benitez left Liverpool.
If you talk about Liverpool's patience with Klopp, then I think it's because they showed respect for him because of the titles they won in previous seasons, and Klopp in subsequent seasons ensured that the team was revived, and moved towards new victories. Klopp's strength was that he would get his players to give their all on the field, and I think it's impossible to play like that season after season, so it was logical that after a great season there would be a decline. I don’t know how patient Liverpool will be with new coaches who haven’t achieved anything yet.

 
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Arne Slot is not burdened with a big target and he is not given that responsibility in the near future. Realistically, the Premier League is still a feud of two teams, Manchester City and Arsenal, the team has shown its rivalry in the last two seasons and is predicted to continue.

I will still respect Liverpool, because they are one of the elite teams in the Premier League only for next season with the transition period from Klopp to the slot so it certainly takes time and is not easy for him to go straight into the competition. If the slot is able to manage the team quite well, the hope finish in the top four is still open.
Liverpool is also aware of this, even Jurgen Kloop himself did not immediately show good performance when he first coached Liverpool, he also needed time, therefore the club also treated Arne Slot the same. Even though the club is not burdening him, I think he will still do the best he can, it would be better if he could bring Liverpool like last season to compete in the title race but yeah I don't expect much Grin

We'll see how Arne Slot leads this big club but what is clear is that reaching the top 4 in the EPL is not easy, especially since Liverpool also have to play in the Champions League, so Arne Slot has a very tough task in stabilizing Liverpool's performance and hopefully not experiencing such a decline. drastic.
Finally, they got it. You cant purchase a championship overnight, like Chelsea tried. Once, Klopp was doubted by all. He winningly transformed that team. Taking time, folks. Got Arne Slot. Coach with success. Yet winning the league in his first year? Very difficult. Champions League harder than Premier League. Top-4? Win. You build on that.

Trust the process. See what Klopp got. Be patient, friends. Persistence wins titles. If Liverpool makes the proper movements, they'll win again. Just watch

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Trust the process. See what Klopp got. Be patient, friends. Persistence wins titles. If Liverpool makes the proper movements, they'll win again. Just watch
Liverpool will be a difficult team even without Klopp, even though we know that Klopp left this team of course it will not make this team completely paralyzed, I'm sure they will be a team that makes it difficult for all their opponents, especially Arne Slot is not a bad coach either, he it just takes time to adapt to all the players in Liverpool's current main squad or new players who will be recruited later, Arne Slot seems to be making Liverpool much better but it needs to be quite a long process as Klopp spent so long at Liverpool building this team into a team strong and difficult.

Liverpool must be able to perform better in the new season, but for them after Arne Slot replaced Klopp, of course they have to be patient again to be able to build the strength of this team, at least remain in the top four of the EPL rankings next season or compete to win the EPL title, besides As we know, Liverpool will play in European competition, of course this will also be burdensome for them, but Arne Slot must adapt more quickly to be able to get good results at the start of the new season.

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Right now, Arne Slot won't suffer what Klopp had to go through when he joined Liverpool. There are players already in the team that can be a good start for him if he uses their talent well to his advantage. Liverpool still has Salah, Nunes, and many other players that are ready for the next season. We might be shocked that in his debut season, the club will extremely well more than previous season when we the fans are expecting to see a decline in performance.
Previously Klopp experienced a difficult time when he came to Liverpool, Klopp transition period at Liverpool previously took a lot of time but the full trust given by Liverpool to Klopp finally achieved maximum results and made Liverpool rise again after 30 years of decline, but I think different the story of what happened to Arne Slot as Liverpool coach next season, although currently Arne Slot is only continuing the performance left by Klopp, but he will also have a bigger job and burden to face compared to the previous Klopp, Arne Slot is required to can improve the quality of Liverpool game to be even better next season and if he succeeds in doing this of course he will not be able to escape from the shadow of Klopp glory so far, but if he fails, he will certainly continue to be criticized by football fans,especially Liverpool fans in the future.
Arne Slot at this time will indeed continue his performance and also form the team left by Klopp, so he should be able to achieve achievements that exceed those achieved by Klopp so that in this way he will get an equal place with Klopp in the hearts of the liverpool supporters  in the future.

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If you talk about Liverpool's patience with Klopp, then I think it's because they showed respect for him because of the titles they won in previous seasons, and Klopp in subsequent seasons ensured that the team was revived, and moved towards new victories. Klopp's strength was that he would get his players to give their all on the field, and I think it's impossible to play like that season after season, so it was logical that after a great season there would be a decline. I don’t know how patient Liverpool will be with new coaches who haven’t achieved anything yet.
A team like Liverpool is a team that has already make name in the Premier League; they were patient with Jurgen Klopp and he tried his best when he joined them from Dortmund to bring glory back to the team and he did, I think it was his last two seasons that things didn't go well with him which was he left before been sacked; but he did a wonderful job for the team and signed great players to give the fans great memories.

Arne Slot is coming from another League that is nit as tough as the Premier League, therefore, Liverpool fans and management needs to be patient with him before he will adapt to the Premier League style of play, and also I am sure some important players will leave the team, so he need time to rearrange the team to his taste so as to get the best performance the team need. I don't expect him to give a better performance this season, but a season after this one will be tough.











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Of course not all great players make a good coach but in most cases people believe that since a player was very good during the time he was playing he will actually have a good quality of a coach forgotten that there is no how they can compare those coaches that follow the right process, so actually in the case of Lampard indeed he was a good player during his time but that wasn't enough to immediately go into coaching without much of a coaching experience.

Being a good player is not a criteria to becoming a good coach. In fact, there's a trend of most average players who turn out to be great managers of their time. The likes of Sir Alex Ferguson, Pep Guardiola, Conte, Arsene Wenger where not really talked about as top players during their professional careers but performed exceptionally well in their managerial careers. Interesting enough, there are players like Thierry Henry, Paul Scholes, Rooney, Gerrard and the likes of Lampard that we are talking about. Seasoned managers like Jose Mourinho never really played professionally as players yet he recorded great milestones during his active years.
Players and coaches have quite striking differences, players have to be smart in digesting every instruction from the coach and applying it on the field, while their coach has to think about having a strategy and it can be different based on the strength of the opponent they will face. Coaches must also have the ability where they must know very well the characteristics of each player they have, including what their playing style is like.

Not everyone who is successful as a player will also be successful as a coach, we have seen many examples in this case and also not all coaches have to be born from players, many coaches who even started out as translators can become great coaches, like Jose Mourinho for example. I don't want to compare which one is more difficult, because both are different things with their respective roles. However, maybe someone has different abilities in different fields, in this case coaches and players.

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Being a good player is not a criteria to becoming a good coach. In fact, there's a trend of most average players who turn out to be great managers of their time. The likes of Sir Alex Ferguson, Pep Guardiola, Conte, Arsene Wenger where not really talked about as top players during their professional careers but performed exceptionally well in their managerial careers. Interesting enough, there are players like Thierry Henry, Paul Scholes, Rooney, Gerrard and the likes of Lampard that we are talking about. Seasoned managers like Jose Mourinho never really played professionally as players yet he recorded great milestones during his active years.
So in essence, a good career will not be a guarantee if being a coach can bring success to the team you are managing and in fact that is how it is so far. The great coaches you mentioned have the capacity to win various titles with the brilliant tactics they have and I think we rarely see that today.

Meanwhile, the new young coach who went from being a club legend couldn't even apply his neat system when he became an active player and perhaps this is his individualistic ability that must be questioned. The EPL has always been a place of competition for great coaches and unfortunately we haven't seen that return and maybe Pep Guardiola will still be a coach who has no competitors for a while.

Pep Guardiola still has competitors because after all, Arteta also managed to make Arsenal have a good performance for at least the last two seasons. Although indeed, Liverpool and Chelsea have new coaches next season, but that does not mean Pep Guardiola will be easy to make Manchester City at the top of the table. Because of course, competition will still be able to occur, and there is nothing easy to maintain the position of the team at the top of the table throughout the season.

But indeed, about top players and failing when they become coaches it is clear, more top players who then fail when they become head coaches compared to top players and succeed also when they become coaches. Because it seems that, so far, maybe only Zidane and Xabi Alonso have really succeeded as players and coaches. But even so,  at least there are still other names that have succeeded as players and coaches, even though their achievements are not as good as Zidane and Xabi Alonso but other names also manage to keep the team performing well like Xavi for example and maybe there are still other names that are not too exposed in the media.

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Liverpool will be a difficult team even without Klopp, even though we know that Klopp left this team of course it will not make this team completely paralyzed, I'm sure they will be a team that makes it difficult for all their opponents, especially Arne Slot is not a bad coach either, he it just takes time to adapt to all the players in Liverpool's current main squad or new players who will be recruited later, Arne Slot seems to be making Liverpool much better but it needs to be quite a long process as Klopp spent so long at Liverpool building this team into a team strong and difficult.

Yeah at least for now we can't compare Arne Slot and Klopp, we know how Klopp built Liverpool in the last few years and now Arne Slot has to answer this challenge, as you said, we don't need to have high hopes for Liverpool next season because there is a process that must be gone through. Apart from that, Arne Slot must focus on preparing new players to anticipate old players moving or retiring, moreover Liverpool has passed its golden meaning changes are needed in the squad. Currently we are waiting for which players Arne Slot is targeting to complete his squad, of course as a new coach he needs to do that unless Liverpool doesn't prepare a budget Grin

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One thing that I like in Liverpool is that they are always patient with their new coaches for him to adapt with the players and impact his football tactics on the players for better performance, that is what will make them still keep Arne Slot if he fails to manage the team the way Klopp have kept the standard.

It might be somehow difficult for Slot in the beginning but I believe that with time he will be able to achieve his purpose of coming to Liverpool as a coach. However, if the players don't see good results coming out from Slot strategy, they might start leaving the club and that might start the downfall of Liverpool just like when Benitez left Liverpool.
If you talk about Liverpool's patience with Klopp, then I think it's because they showed respect for him because of the titles they won in previous seasons, and Klopp in subsequent seasons ensured that the team was revived, and moved towards new victories. Klopp's strength was that he would get his players to give their all on the field, and I think it's impossible to play like that season after season, so it was logical that after a great season there would be a decline. I don’t know how patient Liverpool will be with new coaches who haven’t achieved anything yet.

The most important thing that Klopp did for Liverpool that is worthy of emulation is the fact that he kept the players playing with all their heart because they had a good relationship with each other on the pitch and in the dressing room, Klopp was  to win trophies with his team Liverpool he also ensured that the team was able to challenge for the league trophy with other elite teams in the league even though he didn't end up winning trophies most seasons but making the team become a title contender is a sign of an improved team.

Liverpool has no option than to respect and give him time but now that he has left the team and another manager appointed, I hope the management will be patient enough because he can do the miracle overnight as some people will expect.

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Chelsea getting a huge cash injection is not going to "solve" anything for them. Lets be real, they do not have a bad team anyway, and they got a good manager, that is not the problem and money certainly isn't because they have some awesome players they bought as well, overpaid mostly too.

The issue they have is that they are not a "team", like if anyone thinks that City has the best team in the world, or at least in this league, has no idea about football, they have one of the best, but not better than everyone enough to win it four in a row. Why are they dominating then? Because they are a team, and being a team beats anything else in the world. Chelsea needs to learn to be a team, and if they do that, then sky is the limit for them, they have everything else ready.

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July 10, 2024, 06:25:25 PM

Chelsea getting a huge cash injection is not going to "solve" anything for them. Lets be real, they do not have a bad team anyway, and they got a good manager, that is not the problem and money certainly isn't because they have some awesome players they bought as well, overpaid mostly too.

The issue they have is that they are not a "team", like if anyone thinks that City has the best team in the world, or at least in this league, has no idea about football, they have one of the best, but not better than everyone enough to win it four in a row. Why are they dominating then? Because they are a team, and being a team beats anything else in the world. Chelsea needs to learn to be a team, and if they do that, then sky is the limit for them, they have everything else ready.
It's not all about money but the Premier League is also the toughest competition in the world. Management governance and ways of making the right decisions will be one step ahead compared to other teams. Chelsea need to learn a lot and they are not only able to hunt for players, but the management side must also be filled with talented professionals. So it's useless if you have enough money but are always careless in making decisions and that won't make a good change. Manchester City is currently one of the teams that has a pretty good management structure in the Premier League so they are always able to see the situation and make very careful decisions.

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July 10, 2024, 06:26:13 PM

One thing that I like in Liverpool is that they are always patient with their new coaches for him to adapt with the players and impact his football tactics on the players for better performance, that is what will make them still keep Arne Slot if he fails to manage the team the way Klopp have kept the standard.

It might be somehow difficult for Slot in the beginning but I believe that with time he will be able to achieve his purpose of coming to Liverpool as a coach. However, if the players don't see good results coming out from Slot strategy, they might start leaving the club and that might start the downfall of Liverpool just like when Benitez left Liverpool.

Whether they are patient by practice or not, they don't have choice but to adapt to him, his rule and his standard, that's why he is chosen to represent the team and other assistant managers alongside with them. When Arne Slot was in Leicester City, we didn't see any toughest in him, it could be his style or he could be because of the league division. I'm saying this because some managers tend to change who they are when they find there self In a bigger club.

I hope he doesn't think Championship will be easy now that he is here, we have about 3 team that finish the last division and none of them still remain here, they are sent back to where they crawl from and only lord knows when they will make it to this place again. Leicester City was even lucky, they spent just a season and they are back, it will be cool if he do more that what he has done for Leicester City, more bid for him if he win the Premier League for Liverpool.

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July 10, 2024, 06:29:27 PM

Chelsea getting a huge cash injection is not going to "solve" anything for them. Lets be real, they do not have a bad team anyway, and they got a good manager, that is not the problem and money certainly isn't because they have some awesome players they bought as well, overpaid mostly too.

The issue they have is that they are not a "team", like if anyone thinks that City has the best team in the world, or at least in this league, has no idea about football, they have one of the best, but not better than everyone enough to win it four in a row. Why are they dominating then? Because they are a team, and being a team beats anything else in the world. Chelsea needs to learn to be a team, and if they do that, then sky is the limit for them, they have everything else ready.

They spent £1,500,000,000 on supposed top players who mostly turned out to be crap, overrated players and finished 6th. Spending money on more players isn't what they need. They need a good coach who can get the best out of what they already have.

It’ll be interesting to see what happens this season. Man City could be hit with massive points deductions or relegation with their impending court case.  

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