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[kontrakwel]

betnomi is runned by an criminal, and does not pay out people.
Many people are scammed by them, and they also posted a passport from a user on the forum, blackmailing him but without result.
The only thing the owner is doing, is lying and holding withdrawals. As soon as you won big, you are suddenly a cheater.

STAY AWAY FROM THIS SCAM SITE

[betnomi]

betnomi is runned by an criminal, and does not pay out people.
Many people are scammed by them, and they also posted a passport from a user on the forum, blackmailing him but without result.
The only thing the owner is doing, is lying and holding withdrawals. As soon as you won big, you are suddenly a cheater.

STAY AWAY FROM THIS SCAM SITE

Generally, our position is to ignore such ridiculous and repeated accusations
but in this case, we will ask for the last time you provide even a scintilla of evidence to back up your claim or at the very least, point us to even one person we scammed.

[kontrakwel]

betnomi is runned by an criminal, and does not pay out people.
Many people are scammed by them, and they also posted a passport from a user on the forum, blackmailing him but without result.
The only thing the owner is doing, is lying and holding withdrawals. As soon as you won big, you are suddenly a cheater.

STAY AWAY FROM THIS SCAM SITE

Generally, our position is to ignore such ridiculous and repeated accusations
but in this case, we will ask for the last time you provide even a scintilla of evidence to back up your claim or at the very least, point us to even one person we scammed.

You stole 4k from my account you cunt. Shut up and go back to your hole and stay there. fucking thief

[Hamphser]

betnomi is runned by an criminal, and does not pay out people.
Many people are scammed by them, and they also posted a passport from a user on the forum, blackmailing him but without result.
The only thing the owner is doing, is lying and holding withdrawals. As soon as you won big, you are suddenly a cheater.

STAY AWAY FROM THIS SCAM SITE

Generally, our position is to ignore such ridiculous and repeated accusations
but in this case, we will ask for the last time you provide even a scintilla of evidence to back up your claim or at the very least, point us to even one person we scammed.

Im seeing that you do have recent negative feedback by efialtis

Shuts down the affiliate program without compensating affiliate partners for previous month(s). Not migrating players from affiliates to new platform with affiliates not getting credit for them anymore. This is theft.


Is this true? This is the reference. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5279745.msg58158192#msg58158192

[betnomi]

Im seeing that you do have recent negative feedback by efialtis

Shuts down the affiliate program without compensating affiliate partners for previous month(s). Not migrating players from affiliates to new platform with affiliates not getting credit for them anymore. This is theft.


Is this true? This is the reference. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5279745.msg58158192#msg58158192

The issue has been discussed and addressed at length on this topic. What is being said is factually untrue.
The month before the old affiliate program was shut down, all affiliates were paid including that which is making the accusations.
Our affiliate program has been shut down for the second month now so, what exactly is "the previous month".
There are no pending affiliates' earnings or payments, all were paid and cleared before the program was taken offline.

Evidently, this is nothing more than someone trying to throw their "weight" or so called influences around.
Some people play the good guy in public while in private, they try to get their way by any means necessary, almost mafia like.
We have seen people weaponize their rank and position in this forum previously. This is nothing new in our experience and surely unbothered by it.

After 6 months of hard work to develop a new gaming platform from scratch to offer a better service, improve user experience and be able to offer custom and innovative bonuses.
Someone thinks (if they actually believe that), you are trying to steal their 150$. It's silly and laughable.
You don't get paid what you did not earn, they can feel entitled all they want. Your rank and "influence" don't automatically make you eligible for compensation.

Any honest and reasonable person can understand the need to close the old platform.

[babygun]

The issue has been discussed and addressed at length on this topic. What is being said is factually untrue.
The month before the old affiliate program was shut down, all affiliates were paid including that which is making the accusations.
Our affiliate program has been shut down for the second month now so, what exactly is "the previous month".
There are no pending affiliates' earnings or payments, all were paid and cleared before the program was taken offline.

Evidently, this is nothing more than someone trying to throw their "weight" or so called influences around.
Some people play the good guy in public while in private, they try to get their way by any means necessary, almost mafia like.
We have seen people weaponize their rank and position in this forum previously. This is nothing new in our experience and surely unbothered by it.

After 6 months of hard work to develop a new gaming platform from scratch to offer a better service, improve user experience and be able to offer custom and innovative bonuses.
Someone thinks (if they actually believe that), you are trying to steal their 150$. It's silly and laughable.
You don't get paid what you did not earn, they can feel entitled all they want. Your rank and "influence" don't automatically make you eligible for compensation.

Any honest and reasonable person can understand the need to close the old platform.

You are not really mentioning or adressing the issue in this post. The main problem is that you are migrating to the new platform without setting over the accounts. So everybody will lose their referrals that they have gathered and that is unfair if you are not willing to compensate it. There is no famous twitch streamer that actively plays on betnomi (I think), but I am wondering what you would do if that would be the case. Imagine a player like Ayezee that would lose all their affiliates, they would also be mad about it...

[betnomi]

You are not really mentioning or adressing the issue in this post. The main problem is that you are migrating to the new platform without setting over the accounts. So everybody will lose their referrals that they have gathered and that is unfair if you are not willing to compensate it. There is no famous twitch streamer that actively plays on betnomi (I think), but I am wondering what you would do if that would be the case. Imagine a player like Ayezee that would lose all their affiliates, they would also be mad about it...

That is the whole point! there are not enough affiliates or active players under those affiliates to warrant a complete migration of that data.
Almost all the players have been inactive on the old platform. We heard the complaints, we understand their reasoning, and listened to what they want.
For this reason, we made the decision to build a new platform with a new affiliate program of course, which is very different from the old one.
What we are building is in the best interest of our affiliates and the business overall.

Just so you get an idea, the cost of keeping the old affiliate system online was even greater than the revenue generated by all the affiliates on the platform.
That is how insignificant and inefficient it was. Essentially, no one is using it.
If it was an active platform, we would surely migrate the affiliates regardless of the complexity but there is nothing worth migrating.
There would be a revolt if it was an active system with people earning significant revenue but there isn't because everyone understands the situation and wants something more efficient.
Except Mr. know it all who thinks we want to steal his earnings even after tremendous effort to explain the situation to him privately.

Even big banks retire programs that are not worth keeping around, for christ's sake, ask google about Google Plus.
In our opinion, we are not going to spend over twenty thousand dollars just for one person to maybe make one hundred fifty dollars every two or three months to satisfy their desire.
If that means we get a negative tag, so be it. Its a business, decisions are made to help the business grow, every good business decision is one that must be in the best interest of your customers and partners but we are simply not going to engage in silly and unproductive stuff just because someone has the platform to give a negative tag.

We have various other options available, like offering higher commission rates, exclusive promo codes - the point being we are open to compensate for this in other ways as this is not an ideal outcome.

If there are any further questions or suggestions on the topic, we are happy to discuss them.

[Pmalek]

The issue has been discussed and addressed at length on this topic. What is being said is factually untrue.
The month before the old affiliate program was shut down, all affiliates were paid including that which is making the accusations.
Our affiliate program has been shut down for the second month now so, what exactly is "the previous month".
There are no pending affiliates' earnings or payments, all were paid and cleared before the program was taken offline.

Can you show some proof that affiliates were paid? That would really be appreciated.

@efialtis
Did they pay all the commissions they owe you as part of the affiliate program?
I am asking because of my Withdrawal Fees and Withdrawal Amounts on Crypto Casinos thread. If a casino turns rogue or starts scamming, I don't want them in my thread, so that it doesn't look like I am recommending them to other players. The fact that you got negatively tagged by efialtis is enough reason to remove you, but I would still like to see all the cards on the table. 

[efialtis]

Seriously, there is no point in arguing with someone like that - it is common sense that this has not been handled correctly. Instead, conspiracy theories... lol

The issue has been discussed and addressed at length on this topic. What is being said is factually untrue.
The month before the old affiliate program was shut down, all affiliates were paid including that which is making the accusations.
Our affiliate program has been shut down for the second month now so, what exactly is "the previous month".
There are no pending affiliates' earnings or payments, all were paid and cleared before the program was taken offline.

Can you show some proof that affiliates were paid? That would really be appreciated.

@efialtis
Did they pay all the commissions they owe you as part of the affiliate program?
I am asking because of my Withdrawal Fees and Withdrawal Amounts on Crypto Casinos thread. If a casino turns rogue or starts scamming, I don't want them in my thread, so that it doesn't look like I am recommending them to other players. The fact that you got negatively tagged by efialtis is enough reason to remove you, but I would still like to see all the cards on the table. 

The betnomi affiliate portal/subpage was down for the last ~1.5 months or so - we could not check our stats and have not received payment (in case there were commissions, dont know that). Payments there have never been automated anyways, just as a side note.

[betnomi]

Can you show some proof that affiliates were paid? That would really be appreciated.

@efialtis
Did they pay all the commissions they owe you as part of the affiliate program?
I am asking because of my Withdrawal Fees and Withdrawal Amounts on Crypto Casinos thread. If a casino turns rogue or starts scamming, I don't want them in my thread, so that it doesn't look like I am recommending them to other players. The fact that you got negatively tagged by efialtis is enough reason to remove you, but I would still like to see all the cards on the table. 

@Pmalek you can be sure every single affiliate has been paid out before the platform was shut down.
This is about nothing but some imaginary future earnings regardless, the decision has been made and we are moving forward.

Hopefully, we are able to deliver something awesome in the next weeks weeks.

[notblox1]

What happened with changing of domain for Betnomi and why are both old and new domains working now, and why they have different designs and logo?
I didn't saw any official announcement or email message for any changes like this and I am not sure what should be used.

[betnomi]

What happened with changing of domain for Betnomi and why are both old and new domains working now, and why they have different designs and logo?
I didn't saw any official announcement or email message for any changes like this and I am not sure what should be used.

Our old platform is hosted at betnomi.bet - from this you can access your old account and withdraw/ retrieve any valuable information you might have on there.
Betnomi.com is our main website, you did not receive any emails nor seen any announcements because there isn't an official launch yet. (you need to create a new account)
We are still in beta, collecting feedback and fixing bugs. In the next few days, we will make an announcement for an official launch.

[Pmalek]

@Pmalek you can be sure every single affiliate has been paid out before the platform was shut down.

We now have conflicting information. efialtis says that the affiliate portal was unavailable and that he couldn't check his stats. Is that true? He also claims he wasn't paid his commissions. But you are saying that you did pay everyone before the program ended. There can only be one truth. Everyone was either paid or they weren't.

@betnomi
Can you show actual proof that commissions were sent to efialtis and other users? 

@efialtis
If you weren't paid, have you or will you consider opening a scam accusation against betnomi?

[RokokGudangGaram]

I just looked at your new UI and it looks good than before however it seems that you have received some accusations about the affiliation program and received a negative trust about it. I think you should migrate players from your previous affiliates to new platform you have but anyways I would like to test out your new website.

[betnomi]

@Pmalek you can be sure every single affiliate has been paid out before the platform was shut down.

We now have conflicting information. efialtis says that the affiliate portal was unavailable and that he couldn't check his stats. Is that true? He also claims he wasn't paid his commissions. But you are saying that you did pay everyone before the program ended. There can only be one truth. Everyone was either paid or they weren't.

@betnomi
Can you show actual proof that commissions were sent to efialtis and other users? 

@efialtis
If you weren't paid, have you or will you consider opening a scam accusation against betnomi?

The last month for which the program was functional, all affiliates were paid and this is indisputable.
Any claim or information contradicting this fact is simply false. We try to refrain from sharing such informations publicly but if the accusations persists,
we are happy to share proof of payments at least in this specific case.

Also, we can guarantee you, you will see some shifting facts regarding the initial claim because the fact is becoming apparent.
As you stated, there can be only one truth. The question is, were you paid for the last month the platform was operational or not?
and have you ever not received your affiliate payments?

These are two important questions that needs to be answered and hopefully the fact becomes obvious and the intentions becomes clear.

I just looked at your new UI and it looks good than before however it seems that you have received some accusations about the affiliation program and received a negative trust about it. I think you should migrate players from your previous affiliates to new platform you have but anyways I would like to test out your new website.

We are glad you like our new UI, we are still making updates and fixing a few bugs and hopefully, you will love the final product.
Expecting to see you at our official launch party

[icopress]

[...] If a casino turns rogue or starts scamming, I don't want them in my thread, so that it doesn't look like I am recommending them to other players. The fact that you got negatively tagged by efialtis is enough reason to remove you, but I would still like to see all the cards on the table. 

Man, I think before you make any decisions you need to figure out this matter yourself, and in no case do not make a decision based on one red tag, (so as far as I can tell @efialtis's tag is a bit biased). The thing is that your trust list is your own business, while your thread has become a kind of public domain, the thread that is viewed not only by those who trust you or whom you trust.

We now have conflicting information. efialtis says that the affiliate portal was unavailable and that he couldn't check his stats. Is that true? He also claims he wasn't paid his commissions. But you are saying that you did pay everyone before the program ended. There can only be one truth. Everyone was either paid or they weren't.

I will also try to delve into this matter in more detail, but I can only say that there is logic in Betnomi's words, since back in early June @Sorsis warned me in a telegram that bonus payments would be postponed due to cardinal upcoming updates, and as I understood from the current conversation, this also affected referral program. However, I am not defending Betnomi, as this bookmaker still owes me 150 bonus dollars, but this is more my fault, since I still have not requested this payment (but I will make a request soon).

[efialtis]

[...] If a casino turns rogue or starts scamming, I don't want them in my thread, so that it doesn't look like I am recommending them to other players. The fact that you got negatively tagged by efialtis is enough reason to remove you, but I would still like to see all the cards on the table. 

Man, I think before you make any decisions you need to figure out this matter yourself, and in no case do not make a decision based on one red tag, (so as far as I can tell @efialtis's tag is a bit biased). The thing is that your trust list is your own business, while your thread has become a kind of public domain, the thread that is viewed not only by those who trust you or whom you trust.

We now have conflicting information. efialtis says that the affiliate portal was unavailable and that he couldn't check his stats. Is that true? He also claims he wasn't paid his commissions. But you are saying that you did pay everyone before the program ended. There can only be one truth. Everyone was either paid or they weren't.

I will also try to delve into this matter in more detail, but I can only say that there is logic in Betnomi's words, since back in early June @Sorsis warned me in a telegram that bonus payments would be postponed due to cardinal upcoming updates, and as I understood from the current conversation, this also affected referral program. However, I am not defending Betnomi, as this bookmaker still owes me 150 bonus dollars, but this is more my fault, since I still have not requested this payment (but I will make a request soon).

Are you out of your mind? There is no end to the shitposting on bitcointalk, jesus christ.

Read again what I stated and then read again what they responded.

The last month their system was functional, they paid. Yeah, it was not functional for the last ~1.5/2 months and hence, I could not check stats, not did I receive any payment in case I was owed commissions. That is exactly what I stated and that is also what I critizised, rightfully so. There is no arguing about this being handled unprofessionally - it is also obvious they dont give a f*** about it and their affiliate (business partners whom they have closed a deal with as soon as starting an affiliate relationship).

I am out of this thread - how could anyone in his right mind not agree that this is unprofessional, I dont get it and honestly, I dont even want to discuss with such people.

@betnomi Well done, you made the blacklist, to be added by tomorrow.

Thanks god I am now out of this ridiculous farce.

[RILWAN]

betnomi is runned by an criminal, and does not pay out people.
Many people are scammed by them, and they also posted a passport from a user on the forum, blackmailing him but without result.
The only thing the owner is doing, is lying and holding withdrawals. As soon as you won big, you are suddenly a cheater.

STAY AWAY FROM THIS SCAM SITE

Generally, our position is to ignore such ridiculous and repeated accusations
but in this case, we will ask for the last time you provide even a scintilla of evidence to back up your claim or at the very least, point us to even one person we scammed.

You stole 4k from my account you cunt. Shut up and go back to your hole and stay there. fucking thief

Can you back your accusation with evidence as you keep calling out betnomi constantly without giving any evidence to show that betnomi really stole your 4k as claimed.
At the moment betnomi happens to be functioning well and also paying the winner

[kontrakwel]

The owner, Sorsis is doing everything by himself. he does not know how to run this site, its 10000% pure scam.
and if you want to make a complaint on the forum, they will just post your passport and blackmail you.
the forum is full of people who did not received their withdrawals. in my case they constantly told me they would bump my withdrawals, and should be processed in some hours.
48 hours later, still nothing processed.
next day, my account closed and all the funds stolen without a refund.
STAY AWAY FROM THIS SCAM SITE

[betnomi]

Are you out of your mind? There is no end to the shitposting on bitcointalk, jesus christ.

Read again what I stated and then read again what they responded.

The last month their system was functional, they paid. Yeah, it was not functional for the last ~1.5/2 months and hence, I could not check stats, not did I receive any payment in case I was owed commissions. That is exactly what I stated and that is also what I critizised, rightfully so. There is no arguing about this being handled unprofessionally - it is also obvious they dont give a f*** about it and their affiliate (business partners whom they have closed a deal with as soon as starting an affiliate relationship).

I am out of this thread - how could anyone in his right mind not agree that this is unprofessional, I dont get it and honestly, I dont even want to discuss with such people.

@betnomi Well done, you made the blacklist, to be added by tomorrow.

Thanks god I am now out of this ridiculous farce.

@efialtis Yes, I am out of my mind, since you want to make this personal, let's make it personal.
The last month the affiliate platform was functional, you were paid. Great! for the last 1.5 -2 months,
it was down (actually shut down) and you couldn’t check your stats yet somehow we owe you money - it's amazing.

On multiple occasions, I personally took the time to explain to you the situation and everything was well and good.
This weekend, from nowhere, you started demanding money which of course no one owes you.
Obviously, no one owes you anything and you won't get paid anything.
Even me being out of my mind, if I decide to pay you, what and how much? one year of your "potential earnings"?
When your demands were rejected, your next statement was, we will continue on bitcoin talk. what did you do next?
Hypocritically came here and ask the same question as if you don't already know the answer and pretend it's something new to you when you knew about it for over a month.
If you thinking and hoping you are going to give negative tags and force us to bend to your will, you are definitely wrong.
It's low-key extortion.

Since we are discussing history, and to help everyone understands what exactly is going on here, this is nothing new in our experience.
When we used to offer you special promo codes and give you funds to payout the winners of the context you were hosting for us, what did you do with the funds at one point?
You gambled with those funds and talking about, I planned to pay them later bla bla.
You were given funds to pay winners of a context, you do nothing with those funds but pay the winners so, never again talk about professionalism. That word is not yours to speak.
Even after this, we continued to make payments to you, in hindsight, we should have terminated our relationship with you at that point and all these would have been averted.

How about when you contacted us about banner ads in the past, you were insinuating you will give us bad reviews in the event we did not pay for this outrageously priced banner space, while at the same time, saying "it will not affect your reviews" but let me know before I write it - talk about pressure tactics.
You don't get to do silly things like this in private and try to play the good guy in public.
Maliciously attacking and playing word games with someone to boost your public profile is what you call unprofessional period!

For almost 3 years now, we lived with 2 negative tags which we objectively unwarranted and they do still exist only because the users who gave them have been inactive for years.
Fabricating a flimsy excuse to give us a negative tag means nothing and hopefully, everyone will one day get to see you for who you truly are.
If you need money, ask for it. You don't get to make demands!
what are you doing to do? a second negative tag? bad reviews? 

You took this from a private conversation to a public discussion.
That means you want to have a public debate on the issue, face the facts, address them, and don't hide behind "shit posting and unprofessionalism" and evade answering questions.
You started a discussion, sit it to it been completely ironed out and your point is proven and clear to the public.
throwing mud at someone, hiding your tail between your legs, and running away is the most cowardly act a man can do.
Come back let's break down the facts and let the community decide the outcome, you don't determine the outcome of a public debate, the public does and if you have an iota of respect for anyone on here, you explain yourself.