Terms and condition a must read before signing up any online gambling site

[STT]

Nobody reads the T&C because nobody is really sure they will keep on using a site after the first time they sign up to look at it.   I certainly would recommend reading the T&C before putting any larger amounts on that site because of the problem it can be one way in allowing deposits but raising objections when it comes to withdrawal.   Most people know about bonus deposits and qualifying in terms of betting volume before being allowed to take it back out, obviously you cant just deposit and get 30% extra then pull it back out but there's more complexity to T&C that shouldn't require me to pass the Bar exam to qualify as a legitimate customer.
  I've definitely had the problem of depositing and using a site tons, they wanted my driving license to withdraw anything then later said it wasn't enough and wanted the original birth certificate to be provided to their address internationally.   After that they disappeared in an exit scam when the market went through its next cycle and they were doing less business, this isn't a rare thing.  The site I used was a sponsor of tier 1 teams at least briefly but weren't a long term operation.  I was fortunate in that I hedged my bets and gained a balance elsewhere by betting against bets I took on the site that had refused my withdrawal but I still lost some.    I'm really not keen on overly high fees that occur to withdraw for that reason.

[kotajikikox]

It is always been our Obligation as gamblers/players to know whats the rules and i believe in everything that we will be entering has a need to read Terms and Conditions . or their rules.

though at first i am not a fan of reading TOS but eventually after many issues that i read in many gambling site then i put myself of checking every single details before i create accounts or at least deposit.

[perfect999]

The problem is that often these texts can be very long, so it's hard to actually put yourself to reading all of it. But not reading at all is definitely too risky. I think that if a person is not willing to read all of it, the following things should be searched for and read: KYC policy, restricted countries, minimum/maximum deposit/withdrawal, rules (like no multi-accounting, perhaps no VPN and stuff like that). Also, if one's interested in bonuses, the wager requirements and other related conditions should be read.
You're right that this topic deserves attention. It seems to me that people often have negative experience because of being unfamiliar with the terms.

Sometimes it isn't even mentioned in terms and conditions while the casino would come up with a story that it was self-understood that using a VPN was not allowed while some casinos, namely stake, allows the use of VPN since it protects the identity of the player.

Play at a reputed and well known casino and you should not have too many hiccups on your way to cashing the profits.

[madnessteat]

First and foremost, gambling shouldn't be treated as a source of income. Treating gambling as a source of income would be one of the biggest mistake any gambler could commit. It is a perfect recipe for bankruptcy. Quite the contrary, gambling should be treated as a way to waste your income. ~

Absolutely right. Players able to ensure a life by earning money in the casino are few, but many of us still try to comprehend this wisdom and lose their last funds but still do not get the desired experience. The work should not have such high risks and the casino should be visited only for the enjoyment of the game itself.

[bittraffic]

No one can prevent the gamblers from investing in the bankroll for the casino for its allowed and they earn through it that is why they considered it a money generating platform as sort of an income. We have seen investor's reviews about these casinos, it's perfect as it's low risk. We know the odds are always in favour of the house. but then of course read the terms and conditions, sometimes they change it.

[virasisog]

Most gamblers ignore reading TOS since they assume most reputable gambling site don't have complicated TOS and doesn't require KYC. However, this can change depending on the platform. You will read posts here that accounts and funds are frozen without knowing they have violated TOS since they haven't read it on the first place. To avoid such inconvenience or putting your account and funds at risk, spend time reading TOS before agreeing and signing up.

[lienfaye]

There are many casinos existing nowadays and they have their own promos and bonuses offered so gamblers would stay and keep on playing on their sites. This is one of the reason why some of us ignore reading the TOS before playing since we are not certain if we will stick to that particular casino.

Its really a must to do some research first and read their TOS to understand the rules specially when it comes to withdrawal to avoid having issues later on. I often do this before playing but it doesnt mean I am going to stay because it will depend on my experience and how convenient the site is.

But anyway just a reminder to only gamble the money that is not meant for important things, we know gambling is risky and no guarantee to grow our money.

[Oshosondy]

A whole lot of persons have shared their experience lately how some online casinos tend to frustrate them during withdraws, declining their uploaded certificate s for KYC verification. In my own opinion I would suggest before clicking and accepting any terms and condition given by most of this casinos it's better one analyze what he/she is signing up and understand to what extent one can easily deposit and withdrawal from such sites

The terms of service are very long and this makes people no to be reading it, but not reading it is just carelessness because their are some gambling sites that may have terms that punters may not like, like taxing and some other terms which some people can hate and not use such gambling site due to one or two unfavorable terms.

Gambling is gradually becoming an occupation mostly now where vertically everything is done digitally and many get their major source of income gambling so it wouldn't be wise if after accumulating series of progressive winnings you find it difficult to withdraw from such sites.

Before the onset of online gambling, gambling has been a business offline in which such gambling offline casinos pay taxes and up till now, but gambling are getting more income than before, there are now more gambling sites, while more people are joining to gamble, but it has been a business since long time ago.

But anyway just a reminder to only gamble the money that is not meant for important things, we know gambling is risky and no guarantee to grow our money.

There is nothing right more than this, gambling with the money we can afford to lose because we can actually lose the money while gambling.

[AicecreaME]

I agree.

But at some point, even though you missed or disregard reading their terms and conditions, some of gambling sites will pop up some notification that you can't deposit yet unless you're already passed the KYC requirements, if I'm not mistaken.

Some of them also likes surprises, you'll never know their KYC unless you have a big amount of profits in your account and they will suddenly requires it just for you, like they will require a lot of personal informations for you to pass their KYC but in the end, they still won't let you withdraw it, which is infuriating.

[ethereumhunter]

It is always been our Obligation as gamblers/players to know whats the rules and i believe in everything that we will be entering has a need to read Terms and Conditions . or their rules.

though at first i am not a fan of reading TOS but eventually after many issues that i read in many gambling site then i put myself of checking every single details before i create accounts or at least deposit.

That is right. At least, we can prevent from making a mistake for deposit and withdraw the money and just in case we want to test the site and think that the site is good. By reading their Terms and Conditions, it will help us to know their rules.

What you did is right because we will not have a problem. Maybe that is the thing that every new gambler should do when they find a new gambling site from the outside. But if they find the site from here, I think they can read the reviews from the members to know more about the rules.

[robelneo]

Some of them also likes surprises, you'll never know their KYC unless you have a big amount of profits in your account and they will suddenly requires it just for you, like they will require a lot of personal informations for you to pass their KYC but in the end, they still won't let you withdraw it, which is infuriating.

It will be a big issue if suddenly they want to change their terms just so you cannot withdraw your earnings because it is a big amount, this is a big warning sign, and worthy to create an accusation thread in the scam section, that is why you should only play with big online casinos if you are going to deposit a huge amount because the big and highly reputable gambling site will let you withdraw and will not play dirty by immediately changing their rules, always get updated on any changes on their rules so you can change shift in your playing whether you want to continue playing or go for other casinos.

[Wexnident]

Some of them also likes surprises, you'll never know their KYC unless you have a big amount of profits in your account and they will suddenly requires it just for you, like they will require a lot of personal informations for you to pass their KYC but in the end, they still won't let you withdraw it, which is infuriating.

It will be a big issue if suddenly they want to change their terms just so you cannot withdraw your earnings because it is a big amount, this is a big warning sign, and worthy to create an accusation thread in the scam section, that is why you should only play with big online casinos if you are going to deposit a huge amount because the big and highly reputable gambling site will let you withdraw and will not play dirty by immediately changing their rules, always get updated on any changes on their rules so you can change shift in your playing whether you want to continue playing or go for other casinos.

at that point isn't that just plainly a scam? Doing the required procedures and then denying you of withdrawing even with it done seems to be wrong in their side, and they wouldn't really do it if they were a legitimate site. Besides, TOS changes should be given at least a week before it is implemented, rather common-sense imo. If it wasn't done like that, then leave the casino immediately honestly, it's just a waste of time. Even if they were to immediately implement the TOS in a single day, maintenance of an hr should be given and a notice of updates should be received by the users the moment they log back in.

The advent of online casinos (or any online business for that matter) has been in existence for way too long that missing these kinds of simple stuff is enough to be a red flag for that casino.

[Fundamentals Of]

How I wish everybody could really take time not just to read but also to digest what is being stated in gambling sites' terms and conditions. But I doubt the high percentage of gamblers are really into this boring yet very important task. I myself don't read terms and conditions before using a gambling platform. But mine might be a different case because I don't make big deposits for gambling.

I have read a number of terms and conditions but it usually comes after an account has already been set up. When I read terms and conditions it is usually because there is a certain controversy or an issue which somehow compels me to check the site's terms and conditions.

[macson]

i'll bet that 70% of online gamblers don't read the terms and conditions before making a deposit....but another thing that is annoying is that many gambling sites change their terms and conditions a few years after they were launched and there are already many users.  For example, if previously gambling site A did not require KYC before a withdraw but change it after users reached millions.

[imstillthebest]

i'll bet that 70% of online gamblers don't read the terms and conditions before making a deposit....but another thing that is annoying is that many gambling sites change their terms and conditions a few years after they were launched and there are already many users.  For example, if previously gambling site A did not require KYC before a withdraw but change it after users reached millions.

if they do that they should make an announcement for their players to know but reading the terms and condition at the start of your registration is a must because if a casino accuse you on something , you will have a proof that you dont violate any terms .
each has a reason on why they did not read the terms and condition , there is that laziness , there is they think the casino is trusted but if we play seriously with bigger funds , reading terms and condition should be a habit .

[peter0425]

Only newbie and fool gamblers does not able reading the TOS of every gambling site they are entering and play,
because in the end they are the cry baby in this forum becoming a victim of scam site that hiding in their TOS to take funds from players specially those who got to win big when they are withdrawing.

[Strongkored]

Only newbie and fool gamblers does not able reading the TOS of every gambling site they are entering and play,
because in the end they are the cry baby in this forum becoming a victim of scam site that hiding in their TOS to take funds from players specially those who got to win big when they are withdrawing.

I think that those who don't read the ToS first before registering aren't newbie or fool gambler, could be many are because when they first came to the gambling website, they were tempted by the promos and all the bonuses that made them a little negligent of the ToS. myself when reading the ToS focus more on the Deposit, Withdrawal and restriction areas.

[Kittygalore]

Only newbie and fool gamblers does not able reading the TOS of every gambling site they are entering and play,
because in the end they are the cry baby in this forum becoming a victim of scam site that hiding in their TOS to take funds from players specially those who got to win big when they are withdrawing.

Well, even if you read all the terms and conditions, most websites that requires a registration is probably requiring everyone to accept the Terms and Condition before registering an account which means that reading is pretty much futile.

[iv4n]

Only newbie and fool gamblers does not able reading the TOS of every gambling site they are entering and play,
because in the end they are the cry baby in this forum becoming a victim of scam site that hiding in their TOS to take funds from players specially those who got to win big when they are withdrawing.

So you call me a "cry baby"?! Did you see me complaining and crying anywhere?

I don't read ToS before or after the registration! For all confusions, the first thing I do is asking support about it, they clear things for me... or at least they give me some contact (usually telegram) for more info!
In 7+ years in crypto gambling maybe I read a few lines here and there... and that's it! I never had any serious problems with any casino, some of them have some different rules, but I learn about it in the run... simple and small deposit and you check how everything works in practice! If I like the place I stay, if not I just leave them behind!

This thread reminded me of "South Park -  HUMANCENTiPAD"! What a crazy episode! 

[ipanks]

i'll bet that 70% of online gamblers don't read the terms and conditions before making a deposit....but another thing that is annoying is that many gambling sites change their terms and conditions a few years after they were launched and there are already many users.  For example, if previously gambling site A did not require KYC before a withdraw but change it after users reached millions.

Yes, indeed. If you can accept whatever will happen later, you do not have to read the term and conditions and play without a problem. But if you often play gambling and can win many times on the other website and you want to test your luck, then read that things will be important to know what is needed to avoid the mistake. But for filling KYC, I do not think that many gamblers want to do that because when we use crypto, we care for our privacy by not giving it to the other party.