Terms and condition a must read before signing up any online gambling site

[BuNga_cute]

I'm a good example of that, I usually don't read the TOS as I'm thinking most TOS are all the same, it's more on technical but I believe the site would not make a stupid mistake to destroy their reputation, so my strategy is very simple, I usually play on a casino with a good reputation and has a big market as I know they'll ensure to keep that reputation intact.

But some casino had weird tos such we had to gamble certain amount before withdraw but they let everyone deposit any amount.  and I think that is the problem if some people dont really read tos  Fortunately, nowadays most popular online casinos make everythings easier. like deposits. withdraw. registers and others.

A popular crypto gambling site recently update their ToS and some gamblers are mad because of that one so I think, it's better to find some time reading the terms of Service so you can understand the risk of using that site because having a good reputation is not enough, you may find some rules that you don't want to comply so better to know it at first. I know some TOS are too long to read, but you can look on some important information there like the KYC, withdrawals and Deposit and the country restrictions.

Sometimes I am surprised by gamblers who get angry when crypto gambling sites update their TOS, it's a natural thing to do in my opinion.
Because crypto gambling sites have to make some adjustments to the latest situation, they are platforms created for business purposes.
Surely the crypto gambling site will make rules in their favor, if we don't like it, there's no need to be angry. We just have to look for a crypto
gambling site that suits our needs, because each crypto gambling site must have a different TOS.

[michellee]

this is one of the biggest problem in online gambling now because those newbies has no idea how strict this can be once you violated but will never imposed as long as the situation is favoring the gambling site.

Just like creating multiple accounts? lol they will never come your way as long as you are depositing and playing , But once you Win ? specially some good amount of winnings ? that willbe the start of your nightmare .

Newbies will learn about that rule because they will get the new experience once they want to withdraw the money but they need to verify themselves first. After they got that experienced, they will learn that they need to search for a gambling site that does not have strict terms and conditions to withdraw their win money. If they want to create multiple accounts just to playing gambling, the casino will know about that and maybe they will block them. Wise newbies will learn from their mistake

[Karartma1]

I don't think it's about being a newbie or not. It's a matter of being conscious (and cautious) about what we do: if there are pages of T&Cs they are there are for a reason. Most of the time those get written to safeguard the platform itself but reading between the lines and making sure the most important info (kyc, bonuses, country restrictions etc.) are clear it's very important.
Like I said, we don't need to read everything but at least what it's truly important.

[Desmong]

this is one of the biggest problem in online gambling now because those newbies has no idea how strict this can be once you violated but will never imposed as long as the situation is favoring the gambling site.

Just like creating multiple accounts? lol they will never come your way as long as you are depositing and playing , But once you Win ? specially some good amount of winnings ? that willbe the start of your nightmare .

A lot of gambling site have used this means to deprived gamblers of their ignorance since they never care about reading the terms that guide a particular gamble or game.
This does not only affects newbies but anybody that is not ready or too lazy to find out what it takes to go through the necessary rules of a game.
Gambling has a lot of ways to compromise its participants because of the perplexing rules that surrounds it.

[kotajikikox]

I don't think it's about being a newbie or not. It's a matter of being conscious (and cautious) about what we do: if there are pages of T&Cs they are there are for a reason. Most of the time those get written to safeguard the platform itself but reading between the lines and making sure the most important info (kyc, bonuses, country restrictions etc.) are clear it's very important.

I guess it is also about Newbie mate or not because those newbies mostly knows nothing about such kind of tricks from gambling sites so they mostly become the victim here but of course you are correct because it is every peoples obligations to read the rules first before entering everything.

Like I said, we don't need to read everything but at least what it's truly important.

well you will miss one if you don't go through the whole terms so we need to read everything .

[mitchr4]

Sometimes I am surprised by gamblers who get angry when crypto gambling sites update their TOS, it's a natural thing to do in my opinion.
Because crypto gambling sites have to make some adjustments to the latest situation, they are platforms created for business purposes.
Surely the crypto gambling site will make rules in their favor, if we don't like it, there's no need to be angry. We just have to look for a crypto
gambling site that suits our needs, because each crypto gambling site must have a different TOS.

We don't know whether it's profitable or not for players, but gambling sites should not make updates that harm the players. I mean, if the update suddenly occurs the gambling site must confirm the players whether they agree or not, so that he can secure their money from the site.

[Zilon]

I don't know why you still have make this post in the gambling section.

I felt this should concern gamblers more so I choosed the gambling board for the thread but however the major point is my thought about gambling sites and how the lengthy their terms and conditions are. Looking so boring and tiresome. I don't know if it's done with that format so as to deter gamblers from reading them while the go about their hidden plots to loot from their clients

[uneng]

Who's gonna read pages and pages of T&Cs? Nobody.
Then what happens is that companies put some guardrails in place to defend themselves and the players that don't read them, when they get scammed start to blame the platforms.
But players should blame themselves first.
I also don't read everything but at least, using the search function, I make sure that I can do (or can't do) certain things.
The rest is pretty much the same on every platform.
Be smart people.

I admit that I'm one of those who skip the T&Csmost of the time especially if it's too long. However, the company should also consider the convenience of its users without asking or demanding for personal information just to pass the KYC. They should also try to keep their users. That's actually the reason why I always check for the legitimacy of every site that I'm using.

yeah , most of gamblors ignore pages of T&Cs , in my opinion bettors should avoid sites that have unclear terms or law for kyc i think some if not most they dont accept id card even , they sayed photo large or language must be in english , lot of fake and bad arguments , all of this for scamming people under the name of kyc the new scam that appeared recently by sites gambling is the fake of law kyc, i hope the will be solved in the future because lot of bettors lost their money because of kyc the crypto does not need kyc but the speed and ease in exchanging money yes

That is true almost nobody reads terms and conditions. In this case it's important to at least verify on google reviews about the casino you are going into. There are several sites which offer customers' reviews about every online gambling platforms nowadays. They aren't too extense like terms and conditions and still present a lot of useful informations which will be enough for you to decide if that is a good idea to play at that particular casino or not.
There are also comments' sections on these sites with more opinions from users and there are forums like bitcointalk which are very useful in this sense as well.

* Just avoid youtuber streamers opinions

[dunfida]

I don't know why you still have make this post in the gambling section.

I felt this should concern gamblers more so I choosed the gambling board for the thread but however the major point is my thought about gambling sites and how the lengthy their terms and conditions are. Looking so boring and tiresome. I don't know if it's done with that format so as to deter gamblers from reading them while the go about their hidden plots to loot from their clients

For sure no one really like to post up lengthy pile of text but they would really be needing to put up every single detail because that would surely be needed and for the users to know on what are the site rules
thats needed to be followed and would able to avoid possible problems in the future.Its actually for our own good or sake but due to laziness of most gamblers then this is mostly been neglected or ignored to be
read up and even myself do really find this tiring and boring to be read up anytime i do make out some switch up from gambling site to another gambling site so i cant really blame off people on why
they do really have this kind of behavior which is actually a common one.

[Fredomago]

For sure no one really like to post up lengthy pile of text but they would really be needing to put up every single detail because that would surely be needed and for the users to know on what are the site rules thats needed to be followed and would able to avoid possible problems in the future.

It's a must to take time reading important information to avoid having any probem in the long run, Even it's a boring thing to do but if you

are a serious gamblers who put decent money inside the house, you don't want to messed up when you need to withdrawn huge amount of money.

Its actually for our own good or sake but due to laziness of most gamblers then this is mostly been neglected or ignored to be
read up and even myself do really find this tiring and boring to be read up anytime i do make out some switch up from gambling site to another gambling site so i cant really blame off people on why they do really have this kind of behavior which is actually a common one.

yup! it's for the good of those gamblers who are using the platform, knowing the rules and be guided of everything will save time

if there's something wrong or some issue being raise to your account, if you know and understand the house rules you can easily

depend yourself too much quicker enlightenment of your case.

[just_Alice]

You have a point, but there's a reason people don't read ToS: they're extremely long and often written in a rather technical language, which normally people can't fully understand.

I'm a good example of that, I usually don't read the TOS as I'm thinking most TOS are all the same, it's more on technical but I believe the site would not make a stupid mistake to destroy their reputation, so my strategy is very simple, I usually play on a casino with a good reputation and has a big market as I know they'll ensure to keep that reputation intact.

^ Even though you are not reading the TOS but I think you must go first to the FAQ which is some of those questions come from the TOS. For me, reading TOS is a very important matter because you can read it there the DO and the DONTS which is causing possible mistakes every time you will use it. So if you have enough time to read the TOS much better. It is better if you want to protect yourself from possibly violating the rules and TOS is very important at all and nothing else matter.  

What Finestream wishes to say is that "DO & DONT's" are pretty much the same everywhere, if you follow the logic! And what can you possibly want to do in one casino that you can't do in any other?!

If you are an honest player you will not have problems... at least not some big problems! But this doesn't apply to high rollers and people who have good winning streaks (most often with sports betting)! People with a lot of money should think twice before choosing a casino, they can be robbed! And people with long/big winning streaks often have problems with cashing out! With reading or not their ToS!

Apart from high rolls and big wins, one should be careful when using bonuses and it's better to go through the terms and conditions once again and check what rules apply in order to withdraw after using them. I think this is the trickiest part, even with respected casinos there can be unpleasant situations where you'll be required to play a lot in order to withdraw.

[mindrust]

A whole lot of persons have shared their experience lately how some online casinos tend to frustrate them during withdraws, declining their uploaded certificate s for KYC verification. In my own opinion I would suggest before clicking and accepting any terms and condition given by most of this casinos it's better one analyze what he/she is signing up and understand to what extent one can easily deposit and withdrawal from such sites

Gambling is gradually becoming an occupation mostly now where vertically everything is done digitally and many get their major source of income gambling so it wouldn't be wise if after accumulating series of progressive winnings you find it difficult to withdraw from such sites.

I'm not good at referrals so I don't get blamed if the unexpected occurs in your cause of gambling but I recommend you do thorough research before depositing your hard earned token on any casino to avoid getting your self worked up by the so called casino sites.

Lastly gamble responsibly its better to earn in cents than to loss in dollars get other source of income to complement your gambling so you don't lose out completely on your fund because gambling remains a game of probability and so responsible approach keeps you in check

Nobody reads that crap mate. Do you read the ToS every time you update your phone's firmware or you install a new app? I don't think so.

I know everybody should but then you probably wouldn't install anything because 99 times out of 100 the ToS is there to protect them, not the consumers.

ToS is not above law. If you steal from them, they can sue you. If you don't play fair, they can stop doing business with you. They can't however seize your money, not more than the harm you caused otherwise that would be theft. They can always sue you for the harm you caused and try to get some more. That's legal.

[smyslov]

A whole lot of persons have shared their experience lately how some online casinos tend to frustrate them during withdraws, declining their uploaded certificate s for KYC verification. In my own opinion I would suggest before clicking and accepting any terms and condition given by most of this casinos it's better one analyze what he/she is signing up and understand to what extent one can easily deposit and withdrawal from such sites

If you are playing heavily on one gambling site, and there's an option to do KYC then do it early to avoid getting into the trap of decline KYC later, withdrawals have been the biggest issue here, some gambling sites started to accuse you and give you a lot of reasons why you cannot get your earnings, so being familiar in a gambling site that you are playing is very important, and always checking for any withdrawal complaints this could also happen to you.

[Genemind]

A whole lot of persons have shared their experience lately how some online casinos tend to frustrate them during withdraws, declining their uploaded certificate s for KYC verification. In my own opinion I would suggest before clicking and accepting any terms and condition given by most of this casinos it's better one analyze what he/she is signing up and understand to what extent one can easily deposit and withdrawal from such sites

If you are playing heavily on one gambling site, and there's an option to do KYC then do it early to avoid getting into the trap of decline KYC later, withdrawals have been the biggest issue here, some gambling sites started to accuse you and give you a lot of reasons why you cannot get your earnings, so being familiar in a gambling site that you are playing is very important, and always checking for any withdrawal complaints this could also happen to you.

Most gamblers don't read TOS before signing-up that is why some complain of funds or accounts being frozen. Reading it carefully will not consume much of your time to avoid any hassle of having your funds on hold because of breaking the TOS. Some casinos require KYC, some don't. Each gambking site has their own rules and requirement you must abide.

[Sled]

A whole lot of persons have shared their experience lately how some online casinos tend to frustrate them during withdraws, declining their uploaded certificate s for KYC verification. In my own opinion I would suggest before clicking and accepting any terms and condition given by most of this casinos it's better one analyze what he/she is signing up and understand to what extent one can easily deposit and withdrawal from such sites

If you are playing heavily on one gambling site, and there's an option to do KYC then do it early to avoid getting into the trap of decline KYC later, withdrawals have been the biggest issue here, some gambling sites started to accuse you and give you a lot of reasons why you cannot get your earnings, so being familiar in a gambling site that you are playing is very important, and always checking for any withdrawal complaints this could also happen to you.

Most gamblers don't read TOS before signing-up that is why some complain of funds or accounts being frozen. Reading it carefully will not consume much of your time to avoid any hassle of having your funds on hold because of breaking the TOS. Some casinos require KYC, some don't. Each gambking site has their own rules and requirement you must abide.

TOS is made long for us not able to understand it carefully, actually, who bothered to read for the how many pages, it is time-consuming. And instead of spending time reading the whole story and sites policy, it is much better to familiarize the site. Because I believe that most of the gambling sites are of the same TOS( there might have some changes but probably the same as of the others) so, what we did in the other sites could still be the same.
Well, asking KYC sometimes happens when your account got compromised or if you have a huge transfer that to stop money laundering, that is a sort of verifying who does the transfer or someone got hack.

[romero121]

A whole lot of persons have shared their experience lately how some online casinos tend to frustrate them during withdraws, declining their uploaded certificate s for KYC verification. In my own opinion I would suggest before clicking and accepting any terms and condition given by most of this casinos it's better one analyze what he/she is signing up and understand to what extent one can easily deposit and withdrawal from such sites

If you are playing heavily on one gambling site, and there's an option to do KYC then do it early to avoid getting into the trap of decline KYC later, withdrawals have been the biggest issue here, some gambling sites started to accuse you and give you a lot of reasons why you cannot get your earnings, so being familiar in a gambling site that you are playing is very important, and always checking for any withdrawal complaints this could also happen to you.

Most gamblers don't read TOS before signing-up that is why some complain of funds or accounts being frozen. Reading it carefully will not consume much of your time to avoid any hassle of having your funds on hold because of breaking the TOS. Some casinos require KYC, some don't. Each gambking site has their own rules and requirement you must abide.

TOS is made long for us not able to understand it carefully, actually, who bothered to read for the how many pages, it is time-consuming. And instead of spending time reading the whole story and sites policy, it is much better to familiarize the site. Because I believe that most of the gambling sites are of the same TOS( there might have some changes but probably the same as of the others) so, what we did in the other sites could still be the same.
Well, asking KYC sometimes happens when your account got compromised or if you have a huge transfer that to stop money laundering, that is a sort of verifying who does the transfer or someone got hack.

This is a true statement. In some gambling sites it'll be mentioned in such a manner it should not be understood by the users. In a much complicated way the terms and conditions will be. Some platforms even make the user provide details on the source of fund. These are all some form of trap. In a short and precise manner the TOS can be mentioned in the page, but they won't do it. Anyhow it always has the statement everything is subject to risk and the firm has the right to make any decision without prior notice. So, if they plan to scam or trap an user they has the ability.

[harizen]

Apart from high rolls and big wins, one should be careful when using bonuses and it's better to go through the terms and conditions once again and check what rules apply in order to withdraw after using them. I think this is the trickiest part, even with respected casinos there can be unpleasant situations where you'll be required to play a lot in order to withdraw.

From now on, to somehow keep everything safe and fair, when participating in a deposit bonuses, promotions, events, always read the Terms and Conditions about it and not just be blinded by that awesome offer.

If possible screenshot and make an archive of that terms so that in case of "unusual approach", users have a reference.

We can't really deny the fact that sometimes it's on the user's fault why they ended up violating the terms. Now to deal with that, make a habit to read the promotion's TOS.

[rhomelmabini]

Your intention is indeed Best mate but let's admit the reality here mate that T&C is a trap , actually gambling site use this as hiding place to take advantage of their gamblers , I know that not all of them but the truth is? by chance they already Knew these things but not even making action to Help players understand easily the terms .

Yes I know that but hoping if they are that regulated and if they are that licensed then these regulators should do some more extensive requirement to even just make this a priority somehow. The fault may come to these sites but if the player/s has no intention of even just do a simple scanning onto the T&C then they are missing something too. I know this is taken for granted by most players but if they somehow make it easy to understand even on when you signing up on the site then it makes more sense that they (gambling site) may not be at fault at all when time comes a problem arises.

[Wexnident]

Yes I know that but hoping if they are that regulated and if they are that licensed then these regulators should do some more extensive requirement to even just make this a priority somehow. The fault may come to these sites but if the player/s has no intention of even just do a simple scanning onto the T&C then they are missing something too. I know this is taken for granted by most players but if they somehow make it easy to understand even on when you signing up on the site then it makes more sense that they (gambling site) may not be at fault at all when time comes a problem arises.

Well, that's why it's probably a grey area as to who's really at fault or not? Since fr, most issues with T&C accusations is literally lined in a single line in a wall of text. Yes, the casino isn't necessarily at fault, but how would it become the fault of the user in that case as well? It makes me look like I'm siding with users here (which I am) since casinos just take advantage of T&C as an excuse. They could easily put up a warning sign or two to indicate the whats and whats not in the game itself. A single line of warning is all it would take. It's not like users are using bots or scripts that are not allowed by T&C, it's just that they aren't able to follow the right procedure since it's hidden.

[BuNga_cute]

Sometimes I am surprised by gamblers who get angry when crypto gambling sites update their TOS, it's a natural thing to do in my opinion.
Because crypto gambling sites have to make some adjustments to the latest situation, they are platforms created for business purposes.
Surely the crypto gambling site will make rules in their favor, if we don't like it, there's no need to be angry. We just have to look for a crypto
gambling site that suits our needs, because each crypto gambling site must have a different TOS.

We don't know whether it's profitable or not for players, but gambling sites should not make updates that harm the players. I mean, if the update suddenly occurs the gambling site must confirm the players whether they agree or not, so that he can secure their money from the site.

The fact is that usually updates made by gambling sites are often detrimental to gamblers, sometimes they change the rules suddenly and that
makes some gamblers angry. Therefore we cannot force gambling sites to make updates according to our wishes as users. Because they only think
about what benefits their platforms, and if we find this, don't argue with these gambling sites, it will just freeze our money. Just make
a withdrawal according to their rules, and once our funds have been successfully withdrawn from these gambling sites, don't play at those
gambling sites again. Because we as users do have to read the TOS for each gambling site, look for the TOS that is exactly what we need.