Terms and condition a must read before signing up any online gambling site

[KTChampions]

This is not the case (at least in my country and I know that approximately the same norms work in most countries). The company can write anything to the ToS and the user can even agree with this, but this does not change the priority of the current legislation, so that the user can at any time sue the company and challenge any provision of the ToS, regardless of whether he previously agreed with them or not. The final decision is always up to the court.

I can’t imagine how much time and money you’ll spend on suing a company because of their terms and conditions than to read it for just like a 1 to 2hrs, anyway if its a millions of money then I think it’s worth it.

I don’t know why people are too lazy to read those important details that can save them from trouble, btw that’s the risk they are taking and if something bad happen because of their own mistakes, no one to blame for but yourself.

I did not say that in every case you should go to court, I just showed that the widespread opinion that the company is omnipotent and it is necessary to fulfill its ToS is nothing more than a myth. As for your confidence that reading ToS will help you a lot, it is very naive. If you have read at least a few ToSs, then you probably noticed that almost each of them has a clause like "the company reserves the right to make any final decision in a disputable situation without explaining the reasons" 

[michellee]

Thanks for mentioning VPN as the next thing that we need to know as many casinos will not allowing people to use VPN and only allow them to have one account for one person. Maybe if you be honest to them that you use VPN because your ISP does not allow you to visit a gambling site and allow you, that will not be a problem, but that will depend on their policy. After we know about the rules, we hope we can take care of ourselves by playing gambling without trying to break the rules.

Most casinos don't allow the usage of VPN and that's why you have to be careful in using it. Although some allows it to use but if you're spot on the casino that don't allow it then you know the consequence that you're about to take.
That's why it's important to read even a couple of important lines with the TOS of any casino you sign up and also any other website. Because you'll actually get to see what they're up too including data collection.

Yeah, but maybe you can try to use VPN and play because I guess some of those casinos will allow you just to play gambling. But I am not sure if they will allow you to withdraw the money once you win. Maybe from now on and in the future, maybe most online casinos will use strict rules to prevent people from breaking their rules because those casinos bond with regulation from the licensed regulator and do not want their license repeal. We really need to be very careful.

[Shasha80]

Thanks for mentioning VPN as the next thing that we need to know as many casinos will not allowing people to use VPN and only allow them to have one account for one person. Maybe if you be honest to them that you use VPN because your ISP does not allow you to visit a gambling site and allow you, that will not be a problem, but that will depend on their policy. After we know about the rules, we hope we can take care of ourselves by playing gambling without trying to break the rules.

Most casinos don't allow the usage of VPN and that's why you have to be careful in using it. Although some allows it to use but if you're spot on the casino that don't allow it then you know the consequence that you're about to take.
That's why it's important to read even a couple of important lines with the TOS of any casino you sign up and also any other website. Because you'll actually get to see what they're up too including data collection.

Yeah, but maybe you can try to use VPN and play because I guess some of those casinos will allow you just to play gambling. But I am not sure if they will allow you to withdraw the money once you win. Maybe from now on and in the future, maybe most online casinos will use strict rules to prevent people from breaking their rules because those casinos bond with regulation from the licensed regulator and do not want their license repeal. We really need to be very careful.

Casinos that have a license are usually stricter in their rules, because they don't want to violate the rules of the regulator. So make it a habit to
read the terms and conditions before deciding to join the casino, lest we regret breaking one of the rules and causing our account to be banned,
even our funds can be frozen by the casino. I've had bad experiences when accessing the casino using a VPN, no problem when registering and
making a deposit, but when going to make a withdrawal can not. This is a lesson for me, to always get used to reading the terms and conditions,
so that this incident does not happen again.

[Peanutswar]

Back in beginning of my Online gambling playing specially here in crypto gambling ? i am not aware of the importance of the TOS or TOC and i don't even read their rules and regulations.
but when time comes that one of my friends god issues about His account being freeze because of Violation ? i start learning lesson and come to read everything and all the details so i won't miss one for my own safety .
It is our obligation to read first before depositing and play.

I guess this is one of the most important if we are trying to involve in things we don't have any kind of idea. Even in terms of agreement for sure most of us are just trying to scroll all the way down just to meet and click the agree button or the check button always try to make sure your self is not involved in a harm way of your information and data but of course you cannot enter to their platform if you cannot agree on their terms without knowing at the first place they already show their terms.

[iv4n]

I did not say that in every case you should go to court, I just showed that the widespread opinion that the company is omnipotent and it is necessary to fulfill its ToS is nothing more than a myth. As for your confidence that reading ToS will help you a lot, it is very naive. If you have read at least a few ToSs, then you probably noticed that almost each of them has a clause like "the company reserves the right to make any final decision in a disputable situation without explaining the reasons" 

Well said!

Yeah, but maybe you can try to use VPN and play because I guess some of those casinos will allow you just to play gambling. But I am not sure if they will allow you to withdraw the money once you win. Maybe from now on and in the future, maybe most online casinos will use strict rules to prevent people from breaking their rules because those casinos bond with regulation from the licensed regulator and do not want their license repeal. We really need to be very careful.

I am using a VPN... only with VPN I can play some providers! I never had any problems with withdrawing, but in my case, for amounts under $2k... I saw some people talk about how problems can appear when someone wins some huge money and wants to withdraw! But until now I didn't win some crazy big amount, so I can't confirm or deny this!

Back in beginning of my Online gambling playing specially here in crypto gambling ? i am not aware of the importance of the TOS or TOC and i don't even read their rules and regulations.
but when time comes that one of my friends god issues about His account being freeze because of Violation ? i start learning lesson and come to read everything and all the details so i won't miss one for my own safety .
It is our obligation to read first before depositing and play.

I guess this is one of the most important if we are trying to involve in things we don't have any kind of idea. Even in terms of agreement for sure most of us are just trying to scroll all the way down just to meet and click the agree button or the check button always try to make sure your self is not involved in a harm way of your information and data but of course you cannot enter to their platform if you cannot agree on their terms without knowing at the first place they already show their terms.

As KTChampions wrote (look above), it's naive if you think that reading ToS can save you if a casino wish to freeze your account for any reason, maybe just because you are winning big... in the end, this explains everything

"the company reserves the right to make any final decision in a disputable situation without explaining the reasons"

[JohnBitCo]

Thanks for mentioning VPN as the next thing that we need to know as many casinos will not allowing people to use VPN and only allow them to have one account for one person. Maybe if you be honest to them that you use VPN because your ISP does not allow you to visit a gambling site and allow you, that will not be a problem, but that will depend on their policy. After we know about the rules, we hope we can take care of ourselves by playing gambling without trying to break the rules.

Most casinos don't allow the usage of VPN and that's why you have to be careful in using it. Although some allows it to use but if you're spot on the casino that don't allow it then you know the consequence that you're about to take.
That's why it's important to read even a couple of important lines with the TOS of any casino you sign up and also any other website. Because you'll actually get to see what they're up too including data collection.

Yeah, but maybe you can try to use VPN and play because I guess some of those casinos will allow you just to play gambling. But I am not sure if they will allow you to withdraw the money once you win. Maybe from now on and in the future, maybe most online casinos will use strict rules to prevent people from breaking their rules because those casinos bond with regulation from the licensed regulator and do not want their license repeal. We really need to be very careful.

Well this can be risky because if certain country is not allowed by them, they may allow you to deposit and play but if you win big amount they may ask for KYC. If that happens, they may not let you withdraw because you were from forbidden country and was playing via VPN.

Why take such risks when there are so many other sites with no restrictions ?

[tabas]

Thanks for mentioning VPN as the next thing that we need to know as many casinos will not allowing people to use VPN and only allow them to have one account for one person. Maybe if you be honest to them that you use VPN because your ISP does not allow you to visit a gambling site and allow you, that will not be a problem, but that will depend on their policy. After we know about the rules, we hope we can take care of ourselves by playing gambling without trying to break the rules.

Most casinos don't allow the usage of VPN and that's why you have to be careful in using it. Although some allows it to use but if you're spot on the casino that don't allow it then you know the consequence that you're about to take.
That's why it's important to read even a couple of important lines with the TOS of any casino you sign up and also any other website. Because you'll actually get to see what they're up too including data collection.

Yeah, but maybe you can try to use VPN and play because I guess some of those casinos will allow you just to play gambling. But I am not sure if they will allow you to withdraw the money once you win. Maybe from now on and in the future, maybe most online casinos will use strict rules to prevent people from breaking their rules because those casinos bond with regulation from the licensed regulator and do not want their license repeal. We really need to be very careful.

As said, most of them don't allow and for sure there are those that allow it. If a casino allows VPN then for sure they'll allow you to withdraw, there's no connection of usage of VPN and withdrawal and it is only applicable to those casinos that don't allow VPN.
So if they don't allow VPN then that's for sure that they won't allow you to withdraw if you're using VPN as you access the website.

[tabas]

As said, most of them don't allow and for sure there are those that allow it. If a casino allows VPN then for sure they'll allow you to withdraw, there's no connection of usage of VPN and withdrawal and it is only applicable to those casinos that don't allow VPN.
So if they don't allow VPN then that's for sure that they won't allow you to withdraw if you're using VPN as you access the website.

Only a few gambling sites allow the use of VPN so if you are going to use a VPN be sure you read the TOS of the gambling site you are playing about using VPN, much better if you ask the support about the use of VPN, many players are flagged because of VPN, because we all know, not every one can play in a gambling site, they do not allow people from restricted areas to avoid legal issues

You check it if you're a VPN user. That's why it's important to check and read the terms/TOS. If you have no confidence on your reading capability and comprehension.
Yeah, checking and asking through the support will help you.

[Zilon]

This is not the case (at least in my country and I know that approximately the same norms work in most countries). The company can write anything to the ToS and the user can even agree with this, but this does not change the priority of the current legislation, so that the user can at any time sue the company and challenge any provision of the ToS, regardless of whether he previously agreed with them or not. The final decision is always up to the court.

You can only get this in civilized countries where  the legislative have the interest of it's citizens at heart but how about countries filled with selfish and monetized leaders who seek their pocket satisfaction waiting for every single opportunity to extort from their citizens.

I am no saying there are no laws restricting most of this ToS from overriding their clients but some countries aren't just suitable for such implementations because it would be an avenue to make massive returns from the complainant and the defendant without passing any reasonable judgement then decide on whom to favour based on who made the highest offer.

[Lucasgabd]

you are right @AmoreJaz
a peson wouldn't be able to complain if they violate the ToS
but ToS makers usually dont help either by making it short and direct to the point, have you checked how long does it take to read, let's say, Facebook ToS?
its really long, like hours.

not sure about the casino ones

Its obvious that casino terms and condition are more shorter compared to FB which is no brainer or already understandable but you cant really compare apples to oranges since they are different industries.

Terms and conditions is really an important thing for a site to have at least the players do know on what are the prohibitions and rules that do really need to be followed for them not to experience
some headache later on.

It might sound too much on wasting time on reading but its up to someone to read it up.Just go directly with the key points and not necessarily to read the whole context.

Of course they are different industries and all but the comment was more about how most of the people will be too lazy to see tons of pages of Terms of Service on the websites they use, even when their money is involved.

but yes, I agree with you that reading the ToS is important

[perfect999]

There is one more interesting point: in any ToS of any casino you can find terms that will be unacceptable for you. And what to do in this case? We cannot offer our conditions for a casino or find casino where everything suits us, so we have to compromise and hope that these unpleasant points will not be important.

this is a big thing
if the terms are really against your beliefs than you should probably avoid using the website

since we can't change it unless we open our own online casinos

same applies to other website like social media, or even email service.

Some of the players playing at crypto casinos have gambling banned in their country or some may have crypto banned and the casinos are well aware of these things. They will let the gambler lose as much as he wants but once he gets lucky or hits a jackpot the casino will take advantage of the position gambler and forfeit his winnings.

Then I feel that if any famous platform has some sketchy rules, surely someone will dig deep and make it public. There are casinos running for years now and if there was any problem in the rules they must have been exposed by now.

[BuNga_cute]

I'm sure most gamblers are lazy to read the terms and conditions, because they are usually quite long if we have to read all of them.
So I agree that at least we can use the search feature to find the points we need, so there's no need to read all the terms and conditions.
But if we have free time, it is better to read all the terms and conditions, I'm afraid maybe that there are important points that might miss.
I also prefer gambling sites that have an ANN thread on this forum, besides we can directly ask the things we want to know, and it makes
it easier for me to judge the gambling site is worth using or not.

Yes, you are right hahaha
We come to the site, register an account, start deposit, start playing some games, and winning some money. After that, we want to withdraw the money and boom, and we are in trouble because we do not know what their rule is. Although the rule seems similar to most gambling sites out there, there will be a difference from each gambling site. At least, if the gambling site has an ANN thread on here, we can ask something that we do not understand directly and I am sure we do not have to wait for a long time to get the answer. But still, we need to be patient for a while because we are not the only members on their site with a problem.

Therefore, it is very important that we change bad habits like that. By directly registering the gambling site without first reading the terms
and conditions. Indeed, almost all gambling sites have almost the same rules, but if we do a careful comparison, there are several different
rules between gambling sites that are currently circulating. Do not follow our emotions by rushing to play gambling on new gambling sites,
because there are attractive bonus offers. Because there is a possibility that there are gambling site rules that do not match what we want.
The easiest way is to choose a gambling site that has an ANN thread on this forum, we can read in the ANN thread about the gambling site
information, and most importantly we can get quick answers usually from the questions we want to ask. Another positive thing is that we can
know the responses of the members of this forum regarding the gambling site.

[Betwrong]

This is not the case (at least in my country and I know that approximately the same norms work in most countries). The company can write anything to the ToS and the user can even agree with this, but this does not change the priority of the current legislation, so that the user can at any time sue the company and challenge any provision of the ToS, regardless of whether he previously agreed with them or not. The final decision is always up to the court.

I can’t imagine how much time and money you’ll spend on suing a company because of their terms and conditions than to read it for just like a 1 to 2hrs, anyway if its a millions of money then I think it’s worth it.

I don’t know why people are too lazy to read those important details that can save them from trouble, btw that’s the risk they are taking and if something bad happen because of their own mistakes, no one to blame for but yourself.

I did not say that in every case you should go to court, I just showed that the widespread opinion that the company is omnipotent and it is necessary to fulfill its ToS is nothing more than a myth. As for your confidence that reading ToS will help you a lot, it is very naive. If you have read at least a few ToSs, then you probably noticed that almost each of them has a clause like "the company reserves the right to make any final decision in a disputable situation without explaining the reasons"

That is the case sometimes, but I hope you don't mean that reading ToS is pointless.

In most situations you would just skip all the troubles of going to court, or resolving an issue through a lengthy conversation with Support etc, if you read the ToS first.

But what draw my attention the most in your post was that "myth of omnipotence" part. Were there instances when customers violated ToS and still won the case?

[ultrloa]

This is not the case (at least in my country and I know that approximately the same norms work in most countries). The company can write anything to the ToS and the user can even agree with this, but this does not change the priority of the current legislation, so that the user can at any time sue the company and challenge any provision of the ToS, regardless of whether he previously agreed with them or not. The final decision is always up to the court.

I can’t imagine how much time and money you’ll spend on suing a company because of their terms and conditions than to read it for just like a 1 to 2hrs, anyway if its a millions of money then I think it’s worth it.

I don’t know why people are too lazy to read those important details that can save them from trouble, btw that’s the risk they are taking and if something bad happen because of their own mistakes, no one to blame for but yourself.

I did not say that in every case you should go to court, I just showed that the widespread opinion that the company is omnipotent and it is necessary to fulfill its ToS is nothing more than a myth. As for your confidence that reading ToS will help you a lot, it is very naive. If you have read at least a few ToSs, then you probably noticed that almost each of them has a clause like "the company reserves the right to make any final decision in a disputable situation without explaining the reasons"

That is the case sometimes, but I hope you don't mean that reading ToS is pointless.

In most situations you would just skip all the troubles of going to court, or resolving an issue through a lengthy conversation with Support etc, if you read the ToS first.

But what draw my attention the most in your post was that "myth of omnipotence" part. Were there instances when customers violated ToS and still won the case?

This is why its really important to read the TOS even if almost all of gambling site have similar contents but actually they have unique rules implemented so we need to seek those information first so that if there's a trouble happen to us we are knowledgeable on things we violate  or not and we may have  legal holds if all  things go to worse. Also your right so far I didn't read any costumer win on their claims towards a casino especially if those costumer didn't  read the TOS that's why we need to read it because it will put us on big shame if we complain on such things which is clearly stated that its violating their own house rules.

[KTChampions]

I did not say that in every case you should go to court, I just showed that the widespread opinion that the company is omnipotent and it is necessary to fulfill its ToS is nothing more than a myth. As for your confidence that reading ToS will help you a lot, it is very naive. If you have read at least a few ToSs, then you probably noticed that almost each of them has a clause like "the company reserves the right to make any final decision in a disputable situation without explaining the reasons"

That is the case sometimes, but I hope you don't mean that reading ToS is pointless.

In most situations you would just skip all the troubles of going to court, or resolving an issue through a lengthy conversation with Support etc, if you read the ToS first.

But what draw my attention the most in your post was that "myth of omnipotence" part. Were there instances when customers violated ToS and still won the case?

A million such cases have been and will be because many (if not most) companies enter requirements into the ToS that contradict the laws and therefore have no force, and then consumers in court easily win cases in controversial cases.
You can find it easy to find such a case on Google especially often it is associated with intellectual property rights.

Sony now has to reactivate the banned PS5 from Weslley Matheus, but this was not the first defeat that the company suffered in the Brazilian courts in this matter: in March 2021, the São Paulo State Court of Justice (TJ-SP) ruled that Sony could not permanently block the PlayStation 5 if the user broke its rules. The decision, published on the 2nd of that month and signed by Judge Anderson Antonucci, considered the action abusive.

Before that, on December 28, 2020, a judge from the same TJ ordered Sony to suspend punishment for a PlayStation 5 banned from the network. In the lawsuit, the owner of the console claimed that the ban on the console constituted “abuse of rights” by Sony, “because it is an impossible legal punishment for a good, for violating the right to the adversary and the broad defense of the author, for violating the right to the author to review the decision authorized under the LGPD [General Data Protection Law] and because it constitutes an excess of punishment incompatible with the Brazilian legal system ”.

https://olhardigital.com.br/en/2021/05/17/games-e-consoles/sony-ps5-banido-restauracao/

one more example:

French high court rules that Steam can’t ban users from reselling digital games

https://www.vg247.com/2019/09/20/steam-users-right-to-sell-games-french-court-valve-ruling/

and so on.

[South Park]

I really like to read the terms and conditions but truly it is usually presented in a manner that does not support user friendliness so it is difficult for me to settle down and read the whole terms and conditions properly. To save myself from the drama, what i do is that i only use gambling platforms and sites that i have friends who have used it and got paid there hassle free, that is, i use gambling sites only by word of mouth recommendation or referral, not trying to be the first among my friends who i know gamble more than i do to discover a new gambling site.

While it is true that most TOS are difficult to read and are not very user friendly this is because in many cases they are written by lawyers that do so with the intention of protecting their clients, in this case the casino, and it is up to the user to understand what it is being said there, and since most of us are not lawyers then we are going to have trouble reading the text, but once you find a casino that you like then this is not a problem as you can take the time to read that TOS and forget about the rest, reducing the time you need to dedicate to this.

[Fredomago]

I really like to read the terms and conditions but truly it is usually presented in a manner that does not support user friendliness so it is difficult for me to settle down and read the whole terms and conditions properly. To save myself from the drama, what i do is that i only use gambling platforms and sites that i have friends who have used it and got paid there hassle free, that is, i use gambling sites only by word of mouth recommendation or referral, not trying to be the first among my friends who i know gamble more than i do to discover a new gambling site.

While it is true that most TOS are difficult to read and are not very user friendly this is because in many cases they are written by lawyers that do so with the intention of protecting their clients, in this case the casino, and it is up to the user to understand what it is being said there, and since most of us are not lawyers then we are going to have trouble reading the text, but once you find a casino that you like then this is not a problem as you can take the time to read that TOS and forget about the rest, reducing the time you need to dedicate to this.

Well said, those terms and conditions is indeed created by lawyers who mostly intend to protect their clients it's difficult for ordinary gamblers to understand what are those rules without taking longer time to read everything.

I like the idea from the post above, there are friends or relatives who much more engaged with gambling, from their experienced using certain platforms, you'll learned not by reading but from their words if the site are good and not into scamming players.

[Fortify]

A whole lot of persons have shared their experience lately how some online casinos tend to frustrate them during withdraws, declining their uploaded certificate s for KYC verification. In my own opinion I would suggest before clicking and accepting any terms and condition given by most of this casinos it's better one analyze what he/she is signing up and understand to what extent one can easily deposit and withdrawal from such sites

Gambling is gradually becoming an occupation mostly now where vertically everything is done digitally and many get their major source of income gambling so it wouldn't be wise if after accumulating series of progressive winnings you find it difficult to withdraw from such sites.

I'm not good at referrals so I don't get blamed if the unexpected occurs in your cause of gambling but I recommend you do thorough research before depositing your hard earned token on any casino to avoid getting your self worked up by the so called casino sites.

Lastly gamble responsibly its better to earn in cents than to loss in dollars get other source of income to complement your gambling so you don't lose out completely on your fund because gambling remains a game of probability and so responsible approach keeps you in check

Referrals is a good example of reading the terms because many gambling sites actually make it super restrictive and only offer the best promotions to people who promote real friends. If you go around sharing your personal referral code in random places expecting a big payout, you might find that they withhold all the money after you put a lot of work into it. They expect people to use their less generous affiliate programs if you want to start earning from promoting their services via other avenues online and you might need to "level up" through certain thresholds to get the best payouts for your referrals. Be sure if this is your plan to make money that they totally allow what you it and the methods you will be using.

[roosbit]

It's the way to go because many of the times these gambling sites protect themselves with terms and conditions, while the players themselves just hate to read them and only act surprised when these terms are quoted to us and try to play victim when some rules are broken.

Is it correct and proof to say our reading culture is getting worse by the day?

[Mahanton]

It's the way to go because many of the times these gambling sites protect themselves with terms and conditions, while the players themselves just hate to read them and only act surprised when these terms are quoted to us and try to play victim when some rules are broken.

Is it correct and proof to say our reading culture is getting worse by the day?

Not that really much connected about reading culture or something like that, it is just part of the reality that people are really lazy on reading up a big pile of text which do mention
almost the same content all over again and again but there are some changes depending on regulation aspects on certain countries but most of the time they are just the same
and even myself doesnt really have time on reading up terms and conditions or something like that when dealing into a website.Just simply stick out with the best
and at least you do really make yourself a bit safe.