Olympics 2020/2021 : Discussion & Predictions

[bryant.coleman]

Judging by these odds, the USA will dominate this year! But even with odds x1.1, it's not like it's guaranteed... maybe we can see some surprises!

Apart from China, there is hardly any competition for the United States right now. Back in the 1970s and 1980s, the communist block of countries used to dominate the medals table (USSR, GDR.etc). Then the USSR was dissolved and the Eastern European nations also went through a rough patch. Former-USSR countries topped the medals table in 1992, but after that their performance went down. And the last straw was the doping scandal involving Russia. This time the Russian contingent is not even allowed to compete under the Russian flag.

[1715158279]

1715158279

[1715158279]

1715158279

[1715158279]

1715158279

[1715158279]

1715158279

[casperBGD]

Judging by these odds, the USA will dominate this year! But even with odds x1.1, it's not like it's guaranteed... maybe we can see some surprises!

Apart from China, there is hardly any competition for the United States right now. Back in the 1970s and 1980s, the communist block of countries used to dominate the medals table (USSR, GDR.etc). Then the USSR was dissolved and the Eastern European nations also went through a rough patch. Former-USSR countries topped the medals table in 1992, but after that their performance went down. And the last straw was the doping scandal involving Russia. This time the Russian contingent is not even allowed to compete under the Russian flag.

indeed, seems that it is important for the USA to dominate medal tables, as it was in "cold war" era
odds are very low, and it will almost certainly come to place, but most medals are for Athletics, Swimming and Gymnastic, which are highly individual, and some positive Covid results on top favorites could change the situation, where one man could get "few" gold medals, so I would skip betting on that

[Kakmakr]

It is not going to be a "record breaker" Olympics this year, because the spectators usually boost the participants performance and not having them there, will definitely have an impact.

I am more worried about participants testing Covid positive whilst they are there and them and the persons they had direct contact not competing and having to go into isolation. (That will be heartbreaking for individuals and teams and the nations backing them... when that happens.) 

[BitcoinHunt3r]

Judging by these odds, the USA will dominate this year! But even with odds x1.1, it's not like it's guaranteed... maybe we can see some surprises!

Apart from China, there is hardly any competition for the United States right now. Back in the 1970s and 1980s, the communist block of countries used to dominate the medals table (USSR, GDR.etc). Then the USSR was dissolved and the Eastern European nations also went through a rough patch. Former-USSR countries topped the medals table in 1992, but after that their performance went down. And the last straw was the doping scandal involving Russia. This time the Russian contingent is not even allowed to compete under the Russian flag.

indeed, seems that it is important for the USA to dominate medal tables, as it was in "cold war" era
odds are very low, and it will almost certainly come to place, but most medals are for Athletics, Swimming and Gymnastic, which are highly individual, and some positive Covid results on top favorites could change the situation, where one man could get "few" gold medals, so I would skip betting on that

Yes, this tournament is a bit different from usual, athletes have excuses when they perform poorly in competition and no one can blame him
On the other hand, Japanese athletes are more mentally advantaged, that's why I doubt the dominance of USA in the Olympics this time

[Vishnu.Reang]

Yes, this tournament is a bit different from usual, athletes have excuses when they perform poorly in competition and no one can blame him
On the other hand, Japanese athletes are more mentally advantaged, that's why I doubt the dominance of USA in the Olympics this time

LOL.. do you really think that Japan will be able to challenge the American dominance? Japan was placed #6 last time, behind UK, China, Russia and Germany. This time, at the most they may be able to finish at 3rd or 4th position. I don't expect anything more than that. Great Britain was the surprise package last time, as they managed to finish ahead of China. But I guess this time China will be having the upper hand. Russia is going through a lot of turmoil. So I don't expect them in the top-5 this time (last time they were 4th).

[Vaskiy]

Judging by these odds, the USA will dominate this year! But even with odds x1.1, it's not like it's guaranteed... maybe we can see some surprises!

Apart from China, there is hardly any competition for the United States right now. Back in the 1970s and 1980s, the communist block of countries used to dominate the medals table (USSR, GDR.etc). Then the USSR was dissolved and the Eastern European nations also went through a rough patch. Former-USSR countries topped the medals table in 1992, but after that their performance went down. And the last straw was the doping scandal involving Russia. This time the Russian contingent is not even allowed to compete under the Russian flag.

indeed, seems that it is important for the USA to dominate medal tables, as it was in "cold war" era
odds are very low, and it will almost certainly come to place, but most medals are for Athletics, Swimming and Gymnastic, which are highly individual, and some positive Covid results on top favorites could change the situation, where one man could get "few" gold medals, so I would skip betting on that

Yes, this tournament is a bit different from usual, athletes have excuses when they perform poorly in competition and no one can blame him
On the other hand, Japanese athletes are more mentally advantaged, that's why I doubt the dominance of USA in the Olympics this time

The coaches/trainers will understand what has happened. So, we can't say they can't be blamed. In my view, they'll blamed if there is no effort and has gone as a one-sided game. The dominance of USA will continue in the Olympics, because the way it trains the players is completely different. Maybe this time Japan will give little more competence with the home advantage.

[uneng]

Yes, this tournament is a bit different from usual, athletes have excuses when they perform poorly in competition and no one can blame him
On the other hand, Japanese athletes are more mentally advantaged, that's why I doubt the dominance of USA in the Olympics this time

LOL.. do you really think that Japan will be able to challenge the American dominance? Japan was placed #6 last time, behind UK, China, Russia and Germany. This time, at the most they may be able to finish at 3rd or 4th position. I don't expect anything more than that. Great Britain was the surprise package last time, as they managed to finish ahead of China. But I guess this time China will be having the upper hand. Russia is going through a lot of turmoil. So I don't expect them in the top-5 this time (last time they were 4th).

When it comes to Olympic games USA is always top 1. It's really hard to overcome them because they are a very competitive country which truly incentivizes and invest in sports. Athletes have a lot of opportunities to practice and develop their skills since early life, different from other countries where financial issues make this impossible, since people have other daily priorities to accomplish. However, excellency demands strict conduct and that is something that has been falling during the last years due to the fact people don't want to follow rules anymore, instead they just do what they want, as they want and when they want.

Without any doubts it will affect athletes efficiency at some point and when this happens USA will see its performance in sports decreasing, as the country is full of people following this philosophy of life. An example is the athlete who was caught using drugs and now can't participate the games anymore.

[stadus]

Anyone betting on the number of medals and the number of gold medals!? Stake has a very interesting offer:
`````snip~~

Judging by these odds, the USA will dominate this year! But even with odds x1.1, it's not like it's guaranteed... maybe we can see some surprises!

It's not worth taking the USA, with that odds, that is very low although USA has been so consistent since they have been dominating. I would rather bet on China with 6.50 odds as they always make surprises. Your $1000 will win $100 for US bet, while your $100 will win $650, I'd take the latter all day.  

[wheelz1200]

It is not going to be a "record breaker" Olympics this year, because the spectators usually boost the participants performance and not having them there, will definitely have an impact.

I am more worried about participants testing Covid positive whilst they are there and them and the persons they had direct contact not competing and having to go into isolation. (That will be heartbreaking for individuals and teams and the nations backing them... when that happens.) 

Yeah it's definitely going to happen and agree it will be tragic for those involved.  Just imagine training all your life then fi ally getting a shot to participate in the greatest event for your sport and represent your country and you have to withdraw due to a fever.  These people dedicate their lives to their respective sport I hope it doesn't happen but inevitably it will.  

[iv4n]

Anyone betting on the number of medals and the number of gold medals!? Stake has a very interesting offer:
`````snip~~

Judging by these odds, the USA will dominate this year! But even with odds x1.1, it's not like it's guaranteed... maybe we can see some surprises!

It's not worth taking the USA, with that odds, that is very low although USA has been so consistent since they have been dominating. I would rather bet on China with 6.50 odds as they always make surprises. Your $1000 will win $100 for US bet, while your $100 will win $650, I'd take the latter all day.  

I agree with you... but I must say that odds for over/under 42.5 gold medals and over/under 110.5 total medals look tempting! I did a little research...

At the 2016 Rio Olympic Games there were 28 sports with 41 disciplines, and a total of 306 events. Therefore you would expect that there were 306 medal sets (gold/silver/bronze) to be awarded, a total of 918 medals.

So looks like betting over in gold and total medals for the US looks good, x1.55 and x1.75! Same works for China, nice odds for over/under bets, and definitely a nice odd for a nation with the most medals!

I will give it a thought or two before I place some weird bets on this! This is very interesting in my opinion!

[Sithara007]

It's not worth taking the USA, with that odds, that is very low although USA has been so consistent since they have been dominating. I would rather bet on China with 6.50 odds as they always make surprises. Your $1000 will win $100 for US bet, while your $100 will win $650, I'd take the latter all day.  

The odds are so unfavorable, because the chances of China toppling US is very minimal. If you are talking about one or two individual sports, then there is a chance of an upset. But here we are talking about the medals tally, which combines the outcome from dozens of sports and disciplines. Upsets occurring in the majority of these sports items is impossible IMO. Even with -900 odds for the United States, I would happily make a bet in their favor. Because their chances are not 90% (as the odds imply), but greater than 99%.

[joker_josue]

In the last Olympic Games, in 2016, the United States won a total of 121 medals. Following China (70) and Great Britain (67).


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Summer_Olympics


All-time Olympic Games medal

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-time_Olympic_Games_medal_table

[Kittygalore]

It is not going to be a "record breaker" Olympics this year, because the spectators usually boost the participants performance and not having them there, will definitely have an impact.

I am more worried about participants testing Covid positive whilst they are there and them and the persons they had direct contact not competing and having to go into isolation. (That will be heartbreaking for individuals and teams and the nations backing them... when that happens.) 

Pretty sure that they will trying to do a Olympic Bubble there so they can help at the least prevent or contain the infection, that's what my country did in the PBA, they made a bubble where no one can get out for the duration of the league. I think the extensive tests done is probably enough.

[casperBGD]

~snip

So looks like betting over in gold and total medals for the US looks good, x1.55 and x1.75! Same works for China, nice odds for over/under bets, and definitely a nice odd for a nation with the most medals!
I will give it a thought or two before I place some weird bets on this! This is very interesting in my opinion!

interesting odds, but 110 medals is a lot, did you look at what numbers USA had in previous games?
at Rio they had 46 golds and 121 medals in total, and UK was positioned second, not China, due to gold medals count (UK - 27, China - 26), although China won 70 medals, UK 67 medals in total

while in London, USA had 46 gold medals as well, but only 104 in total, China was second with 38 golds (big drop at Rio, obviously), 91 in total, and UK was third with 29 golds, 65 in total - pretty stable performance for UK at last two Olympics

seems that over 42.5 is a winner for USA, but you should count that Phelps is not there and that is five golds in total, it is probably why the odds are for 42.5, not 45.5

[bryant.coleman]

All-time Olympic Games medal

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-time_Olympic_Games_medal_table

This is slightly misleading, because you are not comparing apples to apples. In the table, USA has participated in 27 editions, while the USSR is taken as a separate entity with just 9 editions. A better way to look at this would be to take the average number of medals per edition. For USA, that comes to 37.8 gold medals, while for the USSR the same figure is 43.9 gold medals. If you want to make a direct comparison, the add up Russian Empire (1896-1917), Unified Team (1992) and Russian Federation (1992- x) to the medal tally of USSR. Same with Germany as well. You need to add the medals won by FRG, GDR, United Team of Germany (1956-1964) and the German Empire.

[TheNineClub]

My country, Turkey, is participating in the tournament with 108 athletes. Our favorite sport is wrestling. We expect medals in wrestling. Taha Akgül is one of our most successful wrestlers. Let's see how many medals we will get back from the Olympics as Turkey. What is your country's favorite sport?

I see Turkey is ranked 7th in the world in the sport of wrestling with Japan and America as the main competitors, as host Japan is favored for wrestling Turkish athletes must be mentally prepared. Meanwhile, my country Indonesia always competes in badminton and archery usually we get gold there, the main competitors are China and Japan.

Yes, Japan is the host, but I don't think that matters much to the former Soviet states, (including Russia even tho Russia is 4th I believe), that rank highest in overall Freestyle wrestling, they are a force that's hard to disregard. And that's not even mentioning Greco-Roman wrestling where European countries like Sweden and Hungary dominate.

[joker_josue]

This is slightly misleading, because you are not comparing apples to apples. In the table, USA has participated in 27 editions, while the USSR is taken as a separate entity with just 9 editions. A better way to look at this would be to take the average number of medals per edition. For USA, that comes to 37.8 gold medals, while for the USSR the same figure is 43.9 gold medals. If you want to make a direct comparison, the add up Russian Empire (1896-1917), Unified Team (1992) and Russian Federation (1992- x) to the medal tally of USSR. Same with Germany as well. You need to add the medals won by FRG, GDR, United Team of Germany (1956-1964) and the German Empire.

We are talking about countries that no longer exist or that are due in 2 or 3 different countries. Making this sum would not be very balanced, even so:

USA
Total 2523 - 27 Editions - 93 medals/edition

USSR + Russia
Total 1436 - 15 Editions - 95 medals/edition

United Team of Germany + West Germany + East Germany + Germany
Total 1346 - 24 Editions (West and East participated at the same time) - 56 medals/edition


In short, there is no significant difference between the US and Russia.

[zanezane]

~

The Philippines would never dominate in the Olympics, they don't have the height to compete with the Basketball, football, and other games that height is an advantage. I believe the Phillippines are mostly good at boxing.

in the last Olympics in Rio. the Philippines has only got 1 medal a silver medal only.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Summer_Olympics_medal_table

I totally and wholeheartedly agree with you, our country is so delusional in terms of sports that we should play in because there are other games that we are really good at but the support is put into the wrong discipline, there's taekwondo, karate, judo, billiards and chess that don't necessarily need height.

[Vishnu.Reang]

We are talking about countries that no longer exist or that are due in 2 or 3 different countries. Making this sum would not be very balanced, even so:

USA
Total 2523 - 27 Editions - 93 medals/edition

USSR + Russia
Total 1436 - 15 Editions - 95 medals/edition

United Team of Germany + West Germany + East Germany + Germany
Total 1346 - 24 Editions (West and East participated at the same time) - 56 medals/edition


In short, there is no significant difference between the US and Russia.

USSR is not equal to Russia. Less than 60% of the population of the former USSR was accounted by Russia, while the remainder was distributed in the remaining 14 republics (especially Ukraine, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan and Belarus). Also, the Russian team from 1896 to 1916 included countries such as Finland and Poland. For Germany, the calculation looks OK (still not perfect, as the boundaries of Germany before 1945 is very different from what it is now). Among the top-5, only the United States had constant political boundaries during entire duration of the Olympics.

[yazher]

~

The Philippines would never dominate in the Olympics, they don't have the height to compete with the Basketball, football, and other games that height is an advantage. I believe the Phillippines are mostly good at boxing.

in the last Olympics in Rio. the Philippines has only got 1 medal a silver medal only.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Summer_Olympics_medal_table

I totally and wholeheartedly agree with you, our country is so delusional in terms of sports that we should play in because there are other games that we are really good at but the support is put into the wrong discipline, there's taekwondo, karate, judo, billiards and chess that don't necessarily need height.

What the Philippines need to get that multiple medals in the Olympics is a dedicated officer that will give supports to the athlete's needs and conditioning. Pilipino has lots of talents and courageous athletes that will dominate the world of sports if they have given the right support from the government but it seems like that kind of support is rarely seen nowadays. You will earn their support just after you win some medals or in the other words, you need to struggle with yourself first before getting some recognition which is the hardest part of being an athlete. As you can see, we only have one athlete that more likely gets us medal this year and that's in the weight lifting women division where she works hard before getting some kind of recognition from our country.