1GH/s, 20w, $700 (was $500) — Butterflylabs, is it for real? (Part 2)

[plastic.elastic]

i have a feeling this wont be shipped until early Feb..
 

[Epoch]

i have a feeling this wont be shipped until early Feb..
 

In other words, you mean in '4-6 weeks'. This is becoming the 'but can it play crysis?' tagline of this thread!

My bet is that shipments will begin on the 23rd of this month. People who have preorders will be first; people who have ordered in late November or December may not make it into this first production run.

[jamesg]

i have a feeling this wont be shipped until early Feb..
 

In other words, you mean in '4-6 weeks'. This is becoming the 'but can it play crysis?' tagline of this thread!

My bet is that shipments will begin on the 23rd of this month. People who have preorders will be first; people who have ordered in late November or December may not make it into this first production run.

I am absolutely 100% sure that if you have an order in with BFL and email then regarding your order, they should be able to tell you what you need to know. They are very responsive.

I have personally done this and am satisfied with their answers.

[Epoch]

i have a feeling this wont be shipped until early Feb..
 

In other words, you mean in '4-6 weeks'. This is becoming the 'but can it play crysis?' tagline of this thread!

My bet is that shipments will begin on the 23rd of this month. People who have preorders will be first; people who have ordered in late November or December may not make it into this first production run.

I am absolutely 100% sure that if you have an order in with BFL and email then regarding your order, they should be able to tell you what you need to know. They are very responsive.

Agreed. I am not so much interested in exactly when they will ship, as I am to find out how the re-spun product itself performs. 24/7 reliability, noise, wall power, hashrate, stales. How well do the software/drivers that comes with it perform? How compatible are the popular miners (cgminer, ufasoft, guiminer)? Any issues when connecting multiple units to one PC?

I have no doubt that people who have these on order will report here as soon as they are delivered. These will be the forum heroes. I am patient. Based on these reports, I will make my decision to buy or not.

[spiccioli]

I have personally done this and am satisfied with their answers.

gigavps,

can you say us when they are gonna ship your unit(s) ?

best regards.

spiccioli

[jamesg]

I have personally done this and am satisfied with their answers.

gigavps,

can you say us when they are gonna ship your unit(s) ?

best regards.

spiccioli

It is not my place to speak for BFL.

I am NOT their spokesman.

I just do not appreciate the FUD coming from others and am trying to let them know how to get the information if they are waiting on an order.

[RandyFolds]

I have personally done this and am satisfied with their answers.

gigavps,

can you say us when they are gonna ship your unit(s) ?

best regards.

spiccioli

It is not my place to speak for BFL.

I am NOT their spokesman.

I just do not appreciate the FUD coming from others and am trying to let them know how to get the information if they are waiting on an order.

Now you're being difficult just for the sake of being difficult. Just tell the guy what they told you...he's not asking you to put on a BFL hat and go on tour...

[Syke]

I have personally done this and am satisfied with their answers.

gigavps,

can you say us when they are gonna ship your unit(s) ?

best regards.

spiccioli

4-6 weeks.

[Mousepotato]

4-6 weeks.

I c wat u did thar.

[bulanula]

I have personally done this and am satisfied with their answers.

gigavps,

can you say us when they are gonna ship your unit(s) ?

best regards.

spiccioli

4-6 weeks.

LOL. Same old story. 4-6 weeks since October last year ...

With the performance and efficiency of the 7970s I don't think many are going to be jumping onto the BFL fail train.

With the GPUs you can mine and game and crack encryption but these BFL units have close to 0 resale value and you cannot game or hack with them.

Add to that the fact that if a competing ASIC is designed you pretty much are screwed as they become paperweights and you won't get anyone to take them off your hands.

Might as well use the money to straight out buy BTC !

If I had the money, I would buy some units myself but I would really think carefully before getting 10s or a whole farm of these devices, especially considering their lame 6 month warranty. 

[Inaba]

LOL. Same old story. 4-6 weeks since October last year ...

Who is saying 4 - 6 weeks?  No one but the same old tired trolls.

With the performance and efficiency of the 7970s I don't think many are going to be jumping onto the BFL fail train.
With the GPUs you can mine and game and crack encryption but these BFL units have close to 0 resale value and you cannot game or hack with them.

Completely irrelevant.  ~200w + supporting hardware for ~650 MH/s is not anywhere close to 60 - 80w @ 800 - 1 GH/s.  You only need one or two cards to game with, the rest are completely superfluous and just power hogs.  99% of the people mining do not, will not and probably don't even know how to or why they would want to crack encryption with them.

Add to that the fact that if a competing ASIC is designed you pretty much are screwed as they become paperweights and you won't get anyone to take them off your hands.

Completely false dichotomy.  Just because a new or more efficient ASIC miner is released does not somehow cause an older miner to suddenly stop functioning or generating income.  If someone else were to release a 1.2 GH/s unit for roughly the same price as the BFL unit a month later, do the BFL units suddenly stop producing 800 MH/s?  No... they continue to mine.

I do, however, agree that a 6 month warranty is a little shallow.  A 1 yr warranty would seem to be the right thing to me.  But the argument that if it's going to fail it will fail within 6 months is fairly sound as far as these things go, but that is a doubled edged sword.  If it's likely to not fail at 6 - 12 months assuming it lasted 0 - 6 months, then increasing the warranty shouldn't increase the support burden all that much.

[jamesg]

LOL. Same old story. 4-6 weeks since October last year ...

Who is saying 4 - 6 weeks?  No one but the same old tired trolls.

With the performance and efficiency of the 7970s I don't think many are going to be jumping onto the BFL fail train.
With the GPUs you can mine and game and crack encryption but these BFL units have close to 0 resale value and you cannot game or hack with them.

Completely irrelevant.  ~200w + supporting hardware for ~650 MH/s is not anywhere close to 60 - 80w @ 800 - 1 GH/s.  You only need one or two cards to game with, the rest are completely superfluous and just power hogs.  99% of the people mining do not, will not and probably don't even know how to or why they would want to crack encryption with them.

Add to that the fact that if a competing ASIC is designed you pretty much are screwed as they become paperweights and you won't get anyone to take them off your hands.

Completely false dichotomy.  Just because a new or more efficient ASIC miner is released does not somehow cause an older miner to suddenly stop functioning or generating income.  If someone else were to release a 1.2 GH/s unit for roughly the same price as the BFL unit a month later, do the BFL units suddenly stop producing 800 MH/s?  No... they continue to mine.

I do, however, agree that a 6 month warranty is a little shallow.  A 1 yr warranty would seem to be the right thing to me.  But the argument that if it's going to fail it will fail within 6 months is fairly sound as far as these things go, but that is a doubled edged sword.  If it's likely to not fail at 6 - 12 months assuming it lasted 0 - 6 months, then increasing the warranty shouldn't increase the support burden all that much.

Thanks for being the voice of reason.

[simonk83]

With the performance and efficiency of the 7970s I don't think many are going to be jumping onto the BFL fail train.

Nonsense.   The BFL units are far more efficient than any 7970.  The power usage alone is worth it, but then you seem to be under the totally whacked out impression that "most" miners pay under 3c/kw, so it's not surprising that you don't understand the basics of these things

[yochdog]

With the performance and efficiency of the 7970s I don't think many are going to be jumping onto the BFL fail train.

Nonsense.   The BFL units are far more efficient than any 7970.  The power usage alone is worth it, but then you seem to be under the totally whacked out impression that "most" miners pay under 3c/kw, so it's not surprising that you don't understand the basics of these things

Assuming they actually show up someday.  I eagerly await the first person to report back to the forum that they actually have recieved a unit! 

[P_Shep]

3x7970 (+PC hardware $350):
1650MH/s  $2000  635W

2xBFL:
1664MH/s  $1200  160W

Yeah, who'd want a BFL???

[yochdog]

LOL. Same old story. 4-6 weeks since October last year ...

Who is saying 4 - 6 weeks?  No one but the same old tired trolls.

Actually, their website still says units are gauranteed to ship within 4-6 weeks.  So BFL is saying it......

[Inaba]

Actually, their website still says units are gauranteed to ship within 4-6 weeks.  So BFL is saying it......

If you order it now.  Those that ordered before, as I understand, are still on target for the next week or two.  I've not heard anything one way or the other to change that... so yes, just the same old tired trolls.

[xzion]

3x7970 (+PC hardware $350):
1650MH/s  $2000  635W

2xBFL:
1664MH/s  $1200  160W

Yeah, who'd want a BFL???

Well you do need a PC to run the Single as well, but your everyday home machine will do just fine. These stats are the bottom line. I'd expect to see some optimisation and improvement for both products but at the moment BFL has the numbers.

for people going large scale, remember to consider PC hardware costs (+$350 per 3-4 cards, BFL = 128 per pc with some usb hubs). and then there's resale value, which is always a tough topic.

[plastic.elastic]

Actually, their website still says units are gauranteed to ship within 4-6 weeks.  So BFL is saying it......

If you order it now.  Those that ordered before, as I understand, are still on target for the next week or two.  I've not heard anything one way or the other to change that... so yes, just the same old tired trolls.

Do you speak for BFL?
If not, you probably just STFU because you dont know for sure. Every order is different and you dont know which one is being filled with the first production.

[Inaba]

Actually, their website still says units are gauranteed to ship within 4-6 weeks.  So BFL is saying it......

If you order it now.  Those that ordered before, as I understand, are still on target for the next week or two.  I've not heard anything one way or the other to change that... so yes, just the same old tired trolls.

Do you speak for BFL?
If not, you probably just STFU because you dont know for sure. Every order is different and you dont know which one is being filled with the first production.

I'll tell you what I do there, sparky.  I speak with more authority and knowledge than you do.  You have contributed nothing to a single thread on this forum.  Every post you make is full of vitriol, lies and bullshit.  I suggest you take your own advice and STFU.  There is not a single person here that takes you seriously, unless they have not bothered to read your previous posts. Once they read one or two, you are dismissed as the pathetic waste of human flesh that you are... I suspect you are also a complete waste of a human being in real life, but since I've never met you in real life, I can't say for sure.  But the way you acquit yourself on these forums is a strong indicator that you are unable to function in regular society.  Thankfully, I doubt it's possible for you to breed, so we don't have to worry about you procreating.

Thank you and please drive through.

Also... cocks.