Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[Branko]

There was no threat. Now Ruzzia has spent a lot of money while creating a new and very real threat.

You're so brainwashed that even notorious Blackwater founder disagrees with you about that...so obviously discussion
with you is meaningless:

https://twitter.com/vicktop55/status/1793187801703338343

What cookies do they need? Ruzzia annexed Crimea and put a puppet government. You do not need to be to smart to guess what is next and there are not many options to protect yourself.

I see that Ukraine joining NATO is their chance for survival, not a cookie driven party of shorts.

After all this 320 pages of discussion, you still think you can reverse events and we don't remember that Ukraine was invited to NATO BEFORE
Russia annexed Crimea?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Bucharest_summit

[paxmao]

There was no threat. Now Ruzzia has spent a lot of money while creating a new and very real threat.

You're so brainwashed that even notorious Blackwater founder disagrees with you about that...so obviously discussion
with you is meaningless:

https://twitter.com/vicktop55/status/1793187801703338343

What cookies do they need? Ruzzia annexed Crimea and put a puppet government. You do not need to be to smart to guess what is next and there are not many options to protect yourself.

I see that Ukraine joining NATO is their chance for survival, not a cookie driven party of shorts.

After all this 320 pages of discussion, you still think you can reverse events and we don't remember that Ukraine was invited to NATO BEFORE
Russia annexed Crimea?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Bucharest_summit

"Invited to join NATO"? Interesting if there was such a thing. NATO does not "invite" - anyone can request joining NATO (even Ruzzia could ask). If you ask me, it has been proven beyond any doubt that Ukraine was very right in considering this option. The fact is that Putin simply does not consider Ukraine a free independent state and that is the root problem of all this.

BTW you should read your own sources...

Georgia and Ukraine had hoped to join the NATO Membership Action Plan,[3] but, while welcoming the two countries’ aspirations for membership and agreeing that "these countries will become members of NATO", the NATO members decided to review their request in December 2008.[4][5]

In my book, that's a no.

Now... let's talk tenability of Crimea in light of yesterdays ATACAMS strike on a radar facility in the southwest of Crimea. Would you say that Crimea is tenable?

https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-russia-war-crimea-atacms-strike-hits-russian-space-radar-station-report-1904311

The news outlet Krym Realii, which is part of U.S.-funded network Radio Free Liberty, said at least six explosions were reported in Crimea's Simferopol area and some eight explosions in the area of ​​the Belbek airfield—a key Russian military air base—and in the Novofedorivka settlement.

[Branko]

If you want real news regarding the war, consider using the Yandex search engine - https://yandex.com/. One website regarding the war, that shows what is really happening on the ground, and why US funding will not reach Ukraine on time, is shown below.
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Yandex? You propose to use a Russian-controlled search engine to see what is really happening?

It's so ludicrous that it's actually funny.  

Actually, I tested it a bit and compared to Google...its hilarious how much Google is controlled compared to Yandex
Yandex gives me exactly what I'm searching for, while if I search "video of Russia soldier killing ukrainian soldier",
first 200 links will give me exactly opposite...videos of ukrainian soldiers killing russian ones
So thanks BADecker for suggestion.

I also found another trick CIA/NSA use...I can't see RT by any normal browser because
they all say it's unsafe because their certificate is self-signed.
Then I try using TOR and it works...and certificate is signed by...tadaaa...:

"Let's Encrypt" - from the USA, lol

[paxmao]

If you want real news regarding the war, consider using the Yandex search engine - https://yandex.com/. One website regarding the war, that shows what is really happening on the ground, and why US funding will not reach Ukraine on time, is shown below.
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Yandex? You propose to use a Russian-controlled search engine to see what is really happening?

It's so ludicrous that it's actually funny.  

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Yandex gives me exactly what I'm searching for
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And that does not ring any bells with you of course.

Meanwhile, 70 km from the front, another S400 is mysteriously blown up.
https://t.me/dosye_shpiona/531

There is also some evidence on how the Ruzzian air defence "intercepts" ATACAMS, but somehow they still explode in the ground as if not. This is the attack on an space radar facility in south west Crimea.

https://t.me/vanek_nikolaev/23729

Ukraine has thought it may be a good idea after all hitting electrical infrastructure.

https://t.me/ssternenko/28981

[Branko]

And that does not ring any bells with you of course.

To each his own...I guess you like your Big Brother picking stuff you're allowed to see,
and that's perfectly fine, I only see problem with them hiding it...in China you at least
know you're behind big firewall


Between Google, Yandex, and Baidu, I choose one giving true results, you choose one
giving you predetermined brainwashing results, and Chinese people are forced to be
creative, I guess

I also prefer strategic assessment of situation on battlefield, while you prefer
tiny Ukrainian "wins" that MSM handpicks for you...half of them probably fake AI
generated since its strange after so many "wins" battlefield is moving in the opposite direction

Meanwhile, Ukraine can't even communicate anymore:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/24/technology/ukraine-russia-starlink.html

[paxmao]

And that does not ring any bells with you of course.

To each his own...I guess you like your Big Brother picking stuff you're allowed to see,
and that's perfectly fine, I only see problem with them hiding it...in China you at least
know you're behind big firewall


Between Google, Yandex, and Baidu, I choose one giving true results, you choose one
giving you predetermined brainwashing results, and Chinese people are forced to be
creative, I guess

I also prefer strategic assessment of situation on battlefield, while you prefer
tiny Ukrainian "wins" that MSM handpicks for you...half of them probably fake AI
generated since its strange after so many "wins" battlefield is moving in the opposite direction

Meanwhile, Ukraine can't even communicate anymore:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/24/technology/ukraine-russia-starlink.html

True result sure, you are all about "truth". If is not "true" then is AI because it is impossible that is "true" if you think it has to be "not true". Maybe these are not in Yandex when you search.

Oh, what a pity, now that Ukraine "cannot communicate" any more I am sure they won't be able to blow up radars, refineries, the weapons "will not work", all the attacks will be "repelled" and the the "truth" will be revealed to the world.

More "AI" for you...
https://youtu.be/K_jdfaI5dyQ?t=45

[BADecker]

With added US and Nato military intervention, things become rather 'muddy' in Ukraine. This isn't really a war with Ukraine any longer. The Ukraine part has ceased to become something to deal with. This is now becoming a formal Russia/China against the-US/Nato war.

The US WANTS this war... the government and other leaders. Why? Because they think that there are way too many people in the world already. So let's get rid of a few of them, even if it means war.


The Conflict in Ukraine: How Do Matters Stand?


https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2024/05/23/the-conflict-in-ukraine-how-do-matters-stand/
Update: Those promoting the 'foreign agent law' in Georgia could be barred from traveling to America, Secretary of State Antony Blinken has said
https://www.rt.com/russia/598171-us-visa-crackdown-georgia-foreign-agent-law/
Clearly, Washington intends a color revolution in Georgia as a second front against Russia.

I have tried to provide accurate analysis of the conflict in Ukraine. This is not a simple task as there is little publicly available information about how the Kremlin sees the widening of the conflict. France has sent troops. The US Secretary of Defense said that eventually NATO troops will be deployed to Ukraine, and European governments are preparing for war with Russia in 4 or 5 years.

Putin's original goals were the liberation of the Donbas region, and denazification and demilitarization of Ukraine. How denazification and demilitarization of Ukraine were to be accomplished without the conquest of Ukraine was never clear.

The appearance of long-range missiles, that is, missiles whose reach extends beyond the battlefield into Russia, resulted in statements from the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs that Russia would have to compensate for the missiles reach by taking more of Ukraine in order to create a buffer zone. As the missiles the West sends keep lengthening in range, the consequence is that the buffer zone keeps enlarging and the entirety of Ukraine will have to be conquered and occupied and a Russian-friendly government installed in Ukraine. Already there are reports of Ukrainian drone attacks on Tatarstan in central Russia one thousand kilometers from the front line in Ukraine. Clearly the conflict is not a limited military operation. https://www.rt.com/russia/598116-airports-closed-factory-evacuated-tatarstan-drone/.
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[Branko]

True result sure, you are all about "truth". If is not "true" then is AI because it is impossible that is "true" if you think it has to be "not true". Maybe these are not in Yandex when you search.

Oh, what a pity, now that Ukraine "cannot communicate" any more I am sure they won't be able to blow up radars, refineries, the weapons "will not work", all the attacks will be "repelled" and the the "truth" will be revealed to the world.

More "AI" for you...
https://youtu.be/K_jdfaI5dyQ?t=45

Keep tryin'

https://youtu.be/RC_bQZ3xy58

"We have no fortifications, officers stole money, Russians are professionally trained soldiers, have to use WW2 artillery pieces"...on CNN, from mouth of Ukraine soldiers,


I can imagine what unedited video would look like

[BADecker]

The change in Ukraine draft laws is coming too late. By the time these new troops get properly trained, the war will be over. But if they are not properly trained, they will die.

The whole new draft is designed to make it look like Ukraine is doing something to fight the war successfully. Many people will believe this, and will allow their governments to send more money to Ukraine. Does anybody think that more money will be accounted for any better than what was previously sent?

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Ukraine Enforces Desperate Conscription Laws As Russian Troops Close In On Kharkiv


https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-enforces-desperate-conscription-laws-russian-troops-close-kharkiv
It lowers the minimum draft age from 27 to 25 (Ukraine has a demographic shortage of men ages 18-25).  And, all military age Ukrainian men abroad must come back to Ukraine to renew their passports, including refugees driven from their homes in the early days of the war. 

Conscripts must update their address, contact information, and military records within 60 days through government institutions or a mobile application.  This is in preparation for a national draft database containing information on every fighting age male in the country.  The conscription measures are expected to greatly reduce Ukraine's labor pool, forcing many businesses to shut down.  Essential workers are not exempt from the draft.

Vladimir Zelensky signed two other bills into effect, one allowing prisoners to be deployed to the front lines (the western media criticized Russia last year for implementing a similar measure), the other bill quintuples fines for people caught trying to evade the draft.   

Early versions of the law allowed for concessions on pay and better rotation for soldiers, including a policy which would relieve soldiers serving for 36 months or more.  All demobilization concessions were removed from the final version; Ukraine's military leadership argued that they needed the most experienced soldiers to remain at the front.

Kyiv has offered cash bonuses to troops towards purchases of housing and cars as an incentive to join the war effort, however, critics argue that the Ukrainian treasury does not actually have the funds to fulfill the promises Zelinsky is making.

To counter charges of undermining soldier morale, the Ukrainian Defense Ministry says it is working on a separate demobilization bill, but massive manpower shortages make any demobilization action highly unlikely.  Front line soldiers have repeatedly complained about the lack of rotation, with some rarely getting a chance to leave the trenches in the past two years.
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[paxmao]

Another case of "AI" ((C) Branko), weapons that "do not work" (by daRude) and had been destroyed (by be.open), while at the same time being "repelled" (by the Ruzzian Ministry):

Satellite photos show aftermath of Ukraine's strike on Russian Kushchevskaya airfield

Sources in the Security Service of Ukraine reported that drones of the Security Service of Ukraine and the Armed Forces of Ukraine operated on the night of May 19 at the military Kushchevskaya airfield in the Russian Krasnodar Krai region. At this airfield there were dozens of different planes that attack Ukrainian positions at the front: Su-34, Su-25, Su-27, MiG-29.

Also, according to him, the Su-30 could have been damaged, which almost did not change its position since May 11 and was next to the damaged Su-27.

In addition, Khrapchynsky noted that after the Ukrainian UAV strikes, most of the Russian fighter jets were removed from this airfield.

Today the official killed / missing in action figure for the Ruzzian army has reached half a million. Figures in war tend to be only estimates, but it is still a dam big estimate.

[swogerino]

The number of dead will be increasing from both countries involved in the war and that is only natural.The problem is if the west does not give a huge help to Ukraine now,most likely Russia no matter how lost lives can advance as it appears that Putin does not care for the huge number that is going straight to the meat grinder in this war while Ukraine fights in a more pragmatic and smart way as this is their only choice.

What I don't understand from the west is how come they don't let Ukraine strike back deep inside Moscow or at least they have only said to let Ukraine do so lately,this is paramount for Ukraine to have a chance to stop the war,they need to instill terror in Moscow so the Russian people know how it feels and they will come up in protests.

[Branko]

What I don't understand from the west is how come they don't let Ukraine strike back deep inside Moscow or at least they have only said to let Ukraine do so lately,this is paramount for Ukraine to have a chance to stop the war,they need to instill terror in Moscow so the Russian people know how it feels and they will come up in protests.

You obviously never been shelled. People don't "come up in protests", they usually come and demand
stronger response, specially if they feel they're stronger side.
They would demand nukes and such

[paxmao]

What I don't understand from the west is how come they don't let Ukraine strike back deep inside Moscow or at least they have only said to let Ukraine do so lately,this is paramount for Ukraine to have a chance to stop the war,they need to instill terror in Moscow so the Russian people know how it feels and they will come up in protests.

You obviously never been shelled. People don't "come up in protests", they usually come and demand
stronger response, specially if they feel they're stronger side.
They would demand nukes and such

The reason is much simpler: The US does not want to remove Putin from power. He would have been killed long ago if the US would thought that could result in more benefit than problems. No, the US wants Putin there, controlling the crazies in the army and the nuclear arsenal, while helping the US expand NATO and make it stronger with the new members. Nobody is seeking the collapse of Ruzzia (perhaps Ukraine), the are seeking the self-demilitarisation and seems to be going well.

Just think of it... "dear St Claus, I am a hawk at the Pentagon and I have been a veery good person so by 2025 I would like...
- Russia to be boycotted.
- Russia to waste half of the soviet weapons left from communism.
- Finland & Sweden joining NATO.
- The best air defences systems of Ruzzia ridiculed before the world.
- Ruzzia to waste 500k people in working age.

Oh... and please, make all this happen without any American loss whatsoever, with just 0.4% of our budget while make Europe more dependent on US and buying more weapons from US."

See? Putin does not need to die, he just needs to be stupid enough to invade Ukraine.

BTW the unconfirmed strike on the space tracking radar (I dare say, ballistic missile warning radar) has now been confirmed. So here is what Branko would call AI generated, daRude would say is just debris from a weapon not working, be.open would say that it needs to be some friendly fire an dumBAss would say proof how Ukraine is loosing in a walltext to prevent people from reading it.

Armavir military unit 4003:

Before:


After:


There are some low-res satellite pictures showing the radar with more than likely damage. Most likely, Ruzzian cannot see incoming missiles at theatre level with this one.

[BADecker]

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Today the official killed / missing in action figure for the Ruzzian army has reached half a million. Figures in war tend to be only estimates, but it is still a dam big estimate.

Even if that figure is true - and maybe especially if that figure is true - then the estimate of 6 or 7 dead Ukrainians for every dead Russian holds some water, as well. Ukraine is simply lost. No two ways about it.

Even if Ukraine won the actual war, Russia wouldn't really lose. There isn't any Ukraine left, except for the name.

[paxmao]

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Today the official killed / missing in action figure for the Ruzzian army has reached half a million. Figures in war tend to be only estimates, but it is still a dam big estimate.

Even if that figure is true - and maybe especially if that figure is true - then the estimate of 6 or 7 dead Ukrainians for every dead Russian holds some water, as well. Ukraine is simply lost. No two ways about it.

Even if Ukraine won the actual war, Russia wouldn't really lose. There isn't any Ukraine left, except for the name.

Why 6 or 7?... You need to lie much bigger... say 20 or 30. You do not justify anything... so why not?

[BADecker]

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Today the official killed / missing in action figure for the Ruzzian army has reached half a million. Figures in war tend to be only estimates, but it is still a dam big estimate.

Even if that figure is true - and maybe especially if that figure is true - then the estimate of 6 or 7 dead Ukrainians for every dead Russian holds some water, as well. Ukraine is simply lost. No two ways about it.

Even if Ukraine won the actual war, Russia wouldn't really lose. There isn't any Ukraine left, except for the name.

Why 6 or 7?... You need to lie much bigger... say 20 or 30. You do not justify anything... so why not?

Oh, quit talking so silly... 20 or 30. There aren't that many people in Ukraine to say nothing about that many troops. And especially now that most of the Ukrainians have migrated elsewhere... especially to Russia.

[darkangel11]

Today the official killed / missing in action figure for the Ruzzian army has reached half a million. Figures in war tend to be only estimates, but it is still a dam big estimate.

These figures can be much higher because Russia is doing all in its power to lower the numbers. (not that Ukraine isn't trying to lower theirs). I've seen captured Russian soldiers admit that they're hiding losses from the command by borrowing soldiers between units. The way it works there's a unit of let's say 200 people. Commanders agree that one of them will borrow 50 people and send them to another town to do something, for instance clear a mine field. If they die the unit is still there on paper. They report that 25% was sent to another command and that's it. On paper they're still there in that other unit clearing mines. In reality they're dead. In fact there are dead divisions that still "fight" and hold the line somewhere, but there's only 10% of them still fighting.

[paxmao]

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Today the official killed / missing in action figure for the Ruzzian army has reached half a million. Figures in war tend to be only estimates, but it is still a dam big estimate.

Even if that figure is true - and maybe especially if that figure is true - then the estimate of 6 or 7 dead Ukrainians for every dead Russian holds some water, as well. Ukraine is simply lost. No two ways about it.

Even if Ukraine won the actual war, Russia wouldn't really lose. There isn't any Ukraine left, except for the name.

Why 6 or 7?... You need to lie much bigger... say 20 or 30. You do not justify anything... so why not?

Oh, quit talking so silly... 20 or 30. There aren't that many people in Ukraine to say nothing about that many troops. And especially now that most of the Ukrainians have migrated elsewhere... especially to Russia.

Yes there are 30 million in Ukraine, so go for 20 x times, you still got 20 million for your next post. And why say Ruzzia, when you could say that all of them are going to Iran? You know, you just have to say thing, no need for any proof... go big! Think big!

Today the official killed / missing in action figure for the Ruzzian army has reached half a million. Figures in war tend to be only estimates, but it is still a dam big estimate.

These figures can be much higher because Russia is doing all in its power to lower the numbers. (not that Ukraine isn't trying to lower theirs). I've seen captured Russian soldiers admit that they're hiding losses from the command by borrowing soldiers between units. The way it works there's a unit of let's say 200 people. Commanders agree that one of them will borrow 50 people and send them to another town to do something, for instance clear a mine field. If they die the unit is still there on paper. They report that 25% was sent to another command and that's it. On paper they're still there in that other unit clearing mines. In reality they're dead. In fact there are dead divisions that still "fight" and hold the line somewhere, but there's only 10% of them still fighting.

I do not say that Ukraine is going or is providing accurate figures. I am just saying that Ruzzia has spent lost of people for very little gain. Ukraine is simply defending.

[LTU_btc]

The number of dead will be increasing from both countries involved in the war and that is only natural.The problem is if the west does not give a huge help to Ukraine now,most likely Russia no matter how lost lives can advance as it appears that Putin does not care for the huge number that is going straight to the meat grinder in this war while Ukraine fights in a more pragmatic and smart way as this is their only choice.

What I don't understand from the west is how come they don't let Ukraine strike back deep inside Moscow or at least they have only said to let Ukraine do so lately,this is paramount for Ukraine to have a chance to stop the war,they need to instill terror in Moscow so the Russian people know how it feels and they will come up in protests.

If West already decided to help Ukraine, they should give what is needed for Ukraine, not something what is enough just to defend and keep current positions. But no, West don't want escalation, they want to weaken Russia, but don't want their humiliating defeat. Time doesn't work  in favour of Ukraine, war is going for almost 2.5 years and every day of this war costs lives of Ukrainians.
When Ukraine started hitting Russian oil refineries and West were negative about it, their reaction says a lot for me.

Today the official killed / missing in action figure for the Ruzzian army has reached half a million. Figures in war tend to be only estimates, but it is still a dam big estimate.

Even if these numbers isn't accurate and might be far from reality, but when you think, it's crazy how many lives this war took. And for what they went to die? Just because one idiot decided for his own imaginary reasons...

Even if that figure is true - and maybe especially if that figure is true - then the estimate of 6 or 7 dead Ukrainians for every dead Russian holds some water, as well. Ukraine is simply lost. No two ways about it.

Just take any random high number and present it in confident way like it would be fact and maybe someone will believe in it.

[BADecker]

Somehow more and more leaders of various countries know that Ukraine is lost, and that more fighting only serves to kill and maim more people. So, why is it that the US and Nato want more people dead, especially Ukrainians?


Bulgarian President Radev: It is IMPOSSIBLE for Ukraine to beat Russia


https://www.naturalnews.com/2024-05-24-bulgaria-president-ukraine-victory-over-russia-impossible.html
Bulgarian President Rumen Radev thinks it is impossible for Ukraine to beat Russia.

During a May 18 address, the Bulgarian leader expressed concern about the Russia-Ukraine war's broad repercussions. He indicated that the ongoing conflict, which began in February 2022, has a substantial impact on global politics and elections – including those in Europe and the United States.

"Every day that this war continues is disastrous for Ukraine, Russia and all of us," said Radev. "This inevitably affects all elections. We will choose in this and the next election between war and peace. Every citizen is obliged to understand this."

"It is unacceptable to present the continuation of the war and the impossible victory over Russia as the only possible solution," the Bulgarian president continued. He warned that if the chaos continues, Ukraine will become a "demographically devastated country, with completely destroyed infrastructure, industry [and] production." Such an outcome, Radev added, "will have extremely serious consequences not only for Ukraine but also for the whole of Europe."

"With weapons, without weapons – we are going to a similar outcome. We have to realize that. The difference will be thousands of human casualties and a devastated country – for which [its] recovery we will have to pay, [and] it is inevitable." (Related: Putin reportedly willing to end war with Ukraine, sit down for PEACE TALKS.)

According to Euractiv, Radev is a staunch opponent of sending military to Ukraine. However, Sofia exported large quantities of weapons to Kyiv through intermediaries during his caretaker government from 2021 until 2022. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky himself lauded Bulgaria, alongside the West, for helping Kyiv prevent the war from spilling over during his visit to Sofia in July 2023.

Radev also comments on the shooting of Slovak PM
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