Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[pakhitheboss]

I just want to ask a question, what is the main function of the UN?
What is the need for an organization like the United Nations in the world?

You need to check out this article and I am sure you laugh your lungs out after reading the first page. The first topic that will appear is peace and security.

https://www.un.org/un70/en/content/70ways/index.html

Apart from calling the general assembly, they have not done anything to stop this war. They would do nothing in this war as they have done from the day they came into existence.

[shahzadafzal]

Military and political consequences may follow if the two countries join the pact, Sergei Belyaev, director of the Second European Department of Russia’s foreign ministry, told the state-owned news agency Interfax. Their non-participation in NATO is “an important factor in ensuring security and stability in northern Europe,” he said.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-12/russian-official-warns-finland-sweden-against-joining-national

[Tash]

Some real reporting for a change
https://youtu.be/Lbiplu3Cyjg

[tranthidung]

Military and political consequences may follow if the two countries join the pact, Sergei Belyaev, director of the Second European Department of Russia’s foreign ministry, told the state-owned news agency Interfax. Their non-participation in NATO is “an important factor in ensuring security and stability in northern Europe,” he said.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-12/russian-official-warns-finland-sweden-against-joining-national

Will they warn the whole world?

If Finland and Sweden show the same intention to join NATO like Ukraine, will Putin start other wars in those nations? Will he use the reason to denazification in those nations to legalize his war in his distorted perspective?

Putin is suck and he is destroying himself as well as Russians. Dictators often don't have happy endings if they are mad. Putin is mad with his power now so I expect an unhappy ending for him.

If communism is good, the whole world accepts it. In fact, only a few nations now have communism and Putin wants to bring it back in Russia. What for? For his dictatorship mainly.

[Tash]

Russell Bentley talks to Donbas High School students
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXyvbeKAbNo

[Gyfts]

U.S. journalist killed by Russian forces in Ukraine. Believe this is the first death of someone from the West in this conflict: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/13/world/europe/brent-renaud-irpin.html

[Etranger]

You can't possibly know that. Any chemical/biological weapons facilities are generally going to be kept secret, and wont be known to the general public.

But Russia somehow can, right? You see, for some reason they believe that they have information that such weapons are produced in Ukraine on the instructions of the United States. They have no evidence, no basis, but for some reason they believe that they have the right to threaten us with the use of such lethal weapons against Ukraine. The most interesting thing is that they definitely have such weapons, because they have used them many times, for example in Syria.

[PrimeNumber7]

If Finland and Sweden show the same intention to join NATO like Ukraine, will Putin start other wars in those nations? Will he use the reason to denazification in those nations to legalize his war in his distorted perspective?

Putin is trying to scare western countries from forming an alliance against Russia. He is intentionally being ambiguous to scare NATO and Sweden and Finland, and to not put himself in a corner by having to attack these countries or lose credibility if he doesn't. Compare this to Biden who is outright saying that he will avoid a conflict at all costs.

Putin is doing the same thing with respect to the supply lines of weapons being sent to Ukraine. He is saying that weapons supply lines from Western countries into Ukraine are legitimate military targets. He is trying to scare the west out of helping Ukraine. Without the weapons the west is providing, Russia would have already won the war.

[Swordsoffreedom]

If Finland and Sweden show the same intention to join NATO like Ukraine, will Putin start other wars in those nations? Will he use the reason to denazification in those nations to legalize his war in his distorted perspective?

Putin is trying to scare western countries from forming an alliance against Russia. He is intentionally being ambiguous to scare NATO and Sweden and Finland, and to not put himself in a corner by having to attack these countries or lose credibility if he doesn't. Compare this to Biden who is outright saying that he will avoid a conflict at all costs.

Putin is doing the same thing with respect to the supply lines of weapons being sent to Ukraine. He is saying that weapons supply lines from Western countries into Ukraine are legitimate military targets. He is trying to scare the west out of helping Ukraine. Without the weapons the west is providing, Russia would have already won the war.

What is the need to make friendship with overseas NATO, without building friendly relations with their own neighborhood? A few days ago I heard a news report that Volodymyr Zelenskyy said that many overseas countries had promised help before the attack but he was not getting any help in time of need.

That is, they have deliberately angered Russia. When Russia granted independence to Ukraine, there was a condition that they would not join NATO. But now, Zelenskyy has been at war with his neighbor at the instigation of NATO. Zelenskyy doesn't really want peace on his own or is stuck in NATO's trap

[suchmoon]

What is the need to make friendship with overseas NATO, without building friendly relations with their own neighborhood?

Friendly relations with Putin's Russia are not possible, unless you go full lapdog like Lukashenko. Obviously Ukrainians don't want that (nor do the people of Belarus BTW). The main reason why Eastern European countries joined NATO was to have defence against Russia and we now have proof that it was a good choice.

A few days ago I heard a news report that Volodymyr Zelenskyy said that many overseas countries had promised help before the attack but he was not getting any help in time of need.

Ukraine is not a NATO member so they don't get direct military engagement from NATO. But "not getting any help" is clearly false, as you can find many videos of Javelins and NLAWs hitting Russian tanks.

That is, they have deliberately angered Russia. When Russia granted independence to Ukraine, there was a condition that they would not join NATO. But now, Zelenskyy has been at war with his neighbor at the instigation of NATO. Zelenskyy doesn't really want peace on his own or is stuck in NATO's trap

Russia didn't grant shit and it wasn't theirs to grant to begin with. The Soviet empire was falling apart and its previously annexed countries reclaimed their independence, including Ukraine. Rewriting history is a hobby of Russian autocrats.

[Marvelman]

That is, they have deliberately angered Russia. When Russia granted independence to Ukraine, there was a condition that they would not join NATO. But now, Zelenskyy has been at war with his neighbor at the instigation of NATO. Zelenskyy doesn't really want peace on his own or is stuck in NATO's trap

Sure, let's justify the aggression by saying that the Ukrainians are to blame. Maybe you would have a different opinion that this is an invasion of your country?

By the way, did you forget that in 2014, Russia invaded and subsequently illegally annexed the Crimean Peninsula from Ukraine? Ukraine had never even considered joining NATO before these events. Was this also NATO's instigation?

[LTU_btc]

The most disgusting thing is that they are so stuck in this lie that they have learned not to think outside it. When the world saw photos and videos of the maternity hospital in Mariupol after the attack, on which wounded pregnant women were shot, people from Russia began to ask how much they were paid for setting this up and applying makeup. That is, they explain all the evidence of houses razed to the ground, killed and wounded people from the standpoint that this is all an imitation, using which Kyiv wants to deceive the whole world.They don`t ask questions why Ukraine needs this? Why nobody in the whole world went out to protest with the Russian flag in support of the actions of the Russian government? Why were more that million of Ukrainians forced to leave our country in just 2 weeks? And other questions that could open their eyes. The bitter truth is that Russian people feel comfortable to live in a lie. Living this way doesn`t make them think about all this shitty atmosphere and conditions most of their population are living in. They prefer the myth about Great Empire rather then doing something to actually make their country great.

Yeah, I saw that story with pregnant women. I was disgusted to see how people were acting and how they called that moment. But I'm not surprised at all to see such things coming from Russia. It's like sanctions against Russia. All hate from people comes to West, but can't realize that only Putin is responsible for it.
BTW, that women already gave birth to her daughter. Congratulations to her.

The main reason why Eastern European countries joined NATO was to have defence against Russia and we now have proof that it was a good choice.

I'm happy that my country is part of NATO, otherwise probably we would be part of Russia for a long time already. But I still have some fears that if Russia would do something against US, for NATO we would be too small and insignificant to start WW3.

[suchmoon]

I'm happy that my country is part of NATO, otherwise probably we would be part of Russia for a long time already. But I still have some fears that if Russia would do something against US, for NATO we would be too small and insignificant to start WW3.

Don't give in to that. Watch out for some pro-Putin party that may start pushing for a closer "relationship" with Russia based on that fear.

Putin is taking a good spanking from Ukraine and even if he wanted another war, he'd probably go against Moldova, Georgia, and possibly even Finland before he tried to attack NATO. I'm not trying to say that attacking those other countries is a good thing, in other words - do what you can to support Ukraine, it's the best chance to stop Putin before he does more damage.

[tvbcof]

Just a data-point from 10 days ago or so.  So it is claimed anyway:

THE MSM IS LYING TO YOU ABOUT THE UKRAINE - LOOK AT THIS
https://www.bitchute.com/video/zERoYzWE9r9P/

One thing that Russia has had is outstanding psychological operations capabilities borrowed from the theater world.  The 'West' has tried to emulate and/or just borrow talent from Putin's team.  I continue to believe that even while at least some of the fighting is real, the outcome has already been agreed upon at the upper levels.

Here where I live, cock-fighting is big.  The fighting and dying is quite real to the chickens, but the battle is staged and much money changes hands at the upper levels.  (My main issue with cock-fighting is that the 'controllers' are basically in the same boat as the the chickens and they lose a leg to stand on if/when the figure it out and try to pitch a bitch.)

[Etranger]

Yeah, I saw that story with pregnant women. I was disgusted to see how people were acting and how they called that moment. But I'm not surprised at all to see such things coming from Russia. It's like sanctions against Russia. All hate from people comes to West, but can't realize that only Putin is responsible for it.
BTW, that women already gave birth to her daughter. Congratulations to her.

But the other one died with her unborn child. https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/03/14/7331140/

I won’t be surprised if russians even after that continue to claim it all was a paid show. For all this time I could not understand, what is the most irritating and disgusting coming from these people. Now I finally can verbalise it. They are not just stupid and framed by their sick government. They are not just failed in all humanitarian and philosophical aspects (this whole shit about Pax Moscovita was created long before they started the war, their pseudo-philosophers created it 250 years ago and continued to make it stuck in people’s head for centuries). The most awful thing is that they are really proud to be such people, they are proud of their ignorance, immorality, limitations. And they continue to present this as their greatest advantage, because under the influence of fear only the world is forced to reckon with them. Although they know that no one has the good will and desire to do so.

[Tash]

Just a data-point from 10 days ago or so.  So it is claimed anyway:

THE MSM IS LYING TO YOU ABOUT THE UKRAINE - LOOK AT THIS
https://www.bitchute.com/video/zERoYzWE9r9P/

One thing that Russia has had is outstanding psychological operations capabilities borrowed from the theater world.  The 'West' has tried to emulate and/or just borrow talent from Putin's team.  I continue to believe that even while at least some of the fighting is real, the outcome has already been agreed upon at the upper levels.

Here where I live, cock-fighting is big.  The fighting and dying is quite real to the chickens, but the battle is staged and much money changes hands at the upper levels.  (My main issue with cock-fighting is that the 'controllers' are basically in the same boat as the the chickens and they lose a leg to stand on if/when the figure it out and try to pitch a bitch.)

A year ago i considered passing through Ukraine. Did not take long to find out what kind of place it is and i've made shure to stay far away from it.

[paxmao]

If Finland and Sweden show the same intention to join NATO like Ukraine, will Putin start other wars in those nations? Will he use the reason to denazification in those nations to legalize his war in his distorted perspective?

Putin is trying to scare western countries from forming an alliance against Russia. He is intentionally being ambiguous to scare NATO and Sweden and Finland, and to not put himself in a corner by having to attack these countries or lose credibility if he doesn't. Compare this to Biden who is outright saying that he will avoid a conflict at all costs.

Putin is doing the same thing with respect to the supply lines of weapons being sent to Ukraine. He is saying that weapons supply lines from Western countries into Ukraine are legitimate military targets. He is trying to scare the west out of helping Ukraine. Without the weapons the west is providing, Russia would have already won the war.

Agreed, the invasion is not related to nazi-jews-drugs blah blah shit. It may however not be related as much to NATO as it is with the status of Ukraine with the European Union and western Europe.

- Putin is not ambiguous at all, he is invading Ukraine and telling others to fear the same. Facts weight more than words.
- Western countries do not have any military alliance against Putin. NATO is defensive, not specific for Russia but for any other threats.
- If Putin targets any kind of "objective" in NATO soil, the can of worms is open to get retaliation which may end ... who knows where. I hope he is cunning enough to know that.
- Biden's position is not "avoid conflict at all costs". It is about not escalating, but it is not "no matter what", since even the international treaties would force him to intervene or break NATO.

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A year ago i considered passing through Ukraine. Did not take long to find out what kind of place it is and i've made shure to stay far away from it.

For which I am sure all Ukrainians thank you. You should have taken Putin to your trip.

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 for NATO we would be too small and insignificant to start WW3.

The consequences of WW3 are unknown, but there may not be many to tell the story if things go wrong. The west has to help you win the war while making sure Putin has a way out other than WMD. To be honest, I do not agree on Zelensky's calling for measures that would throw more countries into the war (e.g. exclusion zone). That opens a can of worms that might destroy Ukraine beyond measure.

There is a solution to this war, the problem is that there is not a quick solution nor a humane solution to it, as I mentioned on several posts when the military aggression begun (other than Putin being removed from power). If you escalate you get a high chance of WMD, if you do nothing Ukraine might loose. The only option is to help the conflict be no longer viable economically or politically for Putin.
A different thing is how safe is going to feel Putin once the war ends. Hate will be strong for generations.

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One thing that Russia has had is outstanding psychological operations capabilities borrowed from the theater world.  The 'West' has tried to emulate and/or just borrow talent from Putin's team.  I continue to believe that even while at least some of the fighting is real, the outcome has already been agreed upon at the upper levels.

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The fact that the West does not look like having psy-ops does not mean these are not actually everywhere, starting by several media outlets. How do you think is possible that a bunch of armed guys stormed the Capitol? You think they were all insane or that they really had a reason to do so?

On regards to the outcome being agreed, I dissent. USA has pressed forward with economy and diplomacy to win the wills of the people of several countries that were previously under the USSR dominance.  And there is no law against it and it is as per the free will of the citizens, it is simply that Putin cannot accept that and has decided to move this onto the military with his war of aggression.

You know the real looser of this war along with the people of Ukraine? The EU. No matter what, any war in Europe has the effect of making the US stronger and that is something Putin should have realised by now.

[DaRude]

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USA has pressed forward with economy and diplomacy to win the wills of the people of several countries that were previously under the USSR dominance.  And there is no law against it and it is as per the free will of the citizens, it is simply that Putin cannot accept that and has decided to move this onto the military with his war of aggression.

You know the real looser of this war along with the people of Ukraine? The EU. No matter what, any war in Europe has the effect of making the US stronger and that is something Putin should have realised by now.

Congrats, now you got past all of the distractions to the main course. After WW2 world was divided into spheres of influence With Cuban missile crisis US pretty much set the precedent that "laws" don't really matter as long as country is facing existential threat. (Imagine what would happen to "free will" of poor Mexicans if they wanted to accept amazing trading terms from China in exchange for ability for China to place nukes on Mexican boarder with US.)

By using the term "quarantine" rather than "blockade" (an act of war by legal definition), the United States was able to avoid the implications of a state of war.[4] The US announced it would not permit offensive weapons to be delivered to Cuba and demanded that the weapons already in Cuba be dismantled and returned to the Soviet Union.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Missile_Crisis

The United Nations General Assembly has passed a resolution every year since 1992 demanding the end of the US economic embargo on Cuba, with the US and Israel being the only nations to consistently vote against the resolutions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_embargo_against_Cuba

Russia looses cold war, and US becomes a dominant super power. The benefit of that, is now US doesn't have to use tanks (hard power) to enlarge its sphere of influence. Now, it gets to set the playing field and just use soft power to expand, using preferential trade agreements, monetary policy, cookies etc... , the ones that don't want to play can just be sanctioned into poverty. (amazingly even with such power, the loss of civilian human life from military conflicts involving US is atrociously high, but no one really cares about that). Russia clearly cannot compete on such terms. Russia's sphere of influence was gradually chipped away to the point that the only countries left in its sphere were Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan. In 2014 a push was made for Ukraine, so it got American freedom cookies. In 2020 civil unrest started in Belarus with opposition conveniently operating out of a NATO country. And in January 2022 there was unrest in Kazakhstan where Russia briefly sent in its troops. Russia is playing a game it was meant to loose, it cannot compete with US on soft power playing field. They see Ukraine as a red line and are now ready to flip the whole board game over it. Amazingly, lots of people got activated to the point where they also started calling to just flip the board game over (aka "no-fly zone, aka start shooting Russian planes over Ukraine and its air defenses in Russia, aka WW3). Now we see Biden and NATO backtracking and pretty much acknowledging that after enabling Ukraine, it will be left to face Russia on its own (good luck guys we're outta here). Why chipping Ukraine from Russia is so important its worth starting WW3 over but no freedom cookies will ever be given out in Saudi Arabia is left as an exercise for the reader.

Also, don't fool yourself the consequence of the WW3 are very well known, have been since the M in MAD, everyone is guaranteed to loose.

Or of course all of these could just be simply explained as convenient coincidences, and intelligence (CIA ...) yearly budget of ~$30B just keeps them playing minesweeper and are totally not involved in any of this.

Edit: As far as Ukraine, Russia, EU loosing, i agree with you on that one. But i don't think US becoming stronger is a given. EU will need a lot of assistance from US so US will have to make a choice, either support EU at its own cost, or drop EU and go back to the policy of unilateralism (think of what Trump would do if/when he's back in office?). In either case the only one guaranteed to get stronger is ...China.

'murika for 'murikans kinda catchy no?

I just want to ask a question, what is the main function of the UN?
What is the need for an organization like the United Nations in the world?

You need to check out this article and I am sure you laugh your lungs out after reading the first page. The first topic that will appear is peace and security.

https://www.un.org/un70/en/content/70ways/index.html

Apart from calling the general assembly, they have not done anything to stop this war. They would do nothing in this war as they have done from the day they came into existence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_vetoed_United_Nations_Security_Council_resolutions
Enjoy!

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[tvbcof]

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One thing that Russia has had is outstanding psychological operations capabilities borrowed from the theater world.  The 'West' has tried to emulate and/or just borrow talent from Putin's team.  I continue to believe that even while at least some of the fighting is real, the outcome has already been agreed upon at the upper levels.
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The fact that the West does not look like having psy-ops does not mean these are not actually everywhere, starting by several media outlets. How do you think is possible that a bunch of armed guys stormed the Capitol? You think they were all insane or that they really had a reason to do so?

Oh, it's not that look like they have psy-ops.  Just the opposite.  They just look so clumbsy and stupid that it is a like a bad comedy or something.  The 'storming the capital' was a great example.  It was ridiculous from start to finish.

My point here is that the Russians are just a lot better at it, or so it seems to me.  It's possible (and maybe even likily) that to a semi-sophisticated Russian the games they play are equally laughable as what the West tries in my country.  I think not however because they took it to a another level by basically showing that it was theatrics.  Maybe the U.S. does the same thing but a large percentage of the peeps are to stupid to even listen to them when they do so.  Who knows?  Anyway, seems that the methodology did start in post-Soviet Russia.  (Vladislav Surkov.)

On regards to the outcome being agreed, I dissent. USA has pressed forward with economy and diplomacy to win the wills of the people of several countries that were previously under the USSR dominance.  And there is no law against it and it is as per the free will of the citizens, it is simply that Putin cannot accept that and has decided to move this onto the military with his war of aggression.

You know the real looser of this war along with the people of Ukraine? The EU. No matter what, any war in Europe has the effect of making the US stronger and that is something Putin should have realised by now.

Good!  I agree with dissent and think of it as a good thing.  We'll just have to see with time how things go, though some things remain a mystery forever.  I have no crystal ball.  I consider it likely that everyone knows that the U.S. and most of the West is poised for a fall and various countries (very much including Russia) are jostling for their place after the event.  When I say the outcome is pre-agreed, I mean loose agreements between international financial players and most of the upper leadership of the U.S. who are fully aware of the tumble and are on-board with how to achieve and manage it.  Again, we'll just have to work out who was right in post-game analysis.  Those of us who make it through anyway.

[YOUR_BALANCE]

Hello dear friends! My name is Alexey. I am from the city of Minsk, the capital of the Republic of Belarus. I hate politics, I crave power and I hate war. Russia, Ukraine and Belarus are fraternal countries, we are Slavic peoples and we have common historical roots. It hurts me a lot to see my brothers fighting each other.

I am an ordinary person, I have no hatred in my heart for other peoples and residents of other countries. I can say one thing - when politicians start a war, civilians suffer from it. Do you think at least one Russian soldier wants the death of Ukrainian citizens? I think this is not true. I call on all people not to experience hatred towards the Slavic peoples. I pray to God that the war ends as soon as possible and our Slavic peoples begin to live in peace and harmony again! Peace to all, dear friends! Do not let anger and hatred into your heart!