Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[cryptomaxsun]

Of course not...if you think opposite, find one post where I praise Azov or Bandera and his modern followers

Your threats show who's real fascist here

You support Russian fascism.

[be.open]

It's good that Lyusya Arestovich, the mouthpiece of Ukrainian propaganda, is a crystal-clearly honest person.

I'm not really sure what you're trying to show with this video.

Projecting their totalitarian mindset on the rest of the world. They can't imagine that someone criticizing the president is not in prison.

You are mistaken by projecting your complexes on me, and I will explain why. In Russia, one can criticize Putin quite freely if it is essential and desirable when drinking vodka with friends in one's kitchen, not in a public space. For example, Putin promised not to raise the retirement age, and then the retirement age in Russia nevertheless increased - this is a good reason for criticizing Putin among the people. Putin did not keep his word in an important aspect for many people, Putin is an asshole. At the same time, he got the country in ruins after the collapse of the USSR, default and gangster privatization, and created a "vertical of power" management system that really works. In foreign policy, I have little to criticize Putin for, although he could have been more successful in the field of diplomacy. At the same time, he looks and acts like a guy who has a strategic plan and follows it, and says basically the right things.

genocide of the Russian-speaking population of Donbass, who were forbidden to speak their native language

Except many videos of Ukrainian forces show them speaking Russian... go figure. Maybe it's not forbidden and you just made it up.

From 2014 to 2021, the status of the Russian language in Ukraine has degraded from regional to actually banned in the public space. Actually, this was one of the main reasons for the armed separatist conflict in Ukraine, it is strange that you do not know this. It is interesting that Russian-speaking residents of Donbass often speak Ukrainian language better, because they study the literary version at school than residents of Western Ukraine with their native surzhik. I am sure that demilitarization and denazification during the current operation will benefit them, ennoble and raise their level of civilization to an acceptable level in a decent society.

[TwitchySeal]

From 2014 to 2021, the status of the Russian language in Ukraine has degraded from regional to actually banned in the public space. Actually, this was one of the main reasons for the armed separatist conflict in Ukraine, it is strange that you do not know this. It is interesting that Russian-speaking residents of Donbass often speak Ukrainian language better, because they study the literary version at school than residents of Western Ukraine with their native surzhik. I am sure that demilitarization and denazification during the current operation will benefit them, ennoble and raise their level of civilization to an acceptable level in a decent society.

No, it's not banned.  It's never been banned.  Putin is using some law involving Ukranian being the official language of Ukraine and requiring Ukranian to be used by people that work for the Ukranian government or have public service jobs to convince people that Russian is 'banned' and that's...genocide.  I know it's crazy.  Oh wait, you fell for it. You should try to stop doing that.

[be.open]

Russia has no chance against the free and motivated people of Ukraine.

You're funny.

be.open this is a coward and a fascist spreading Kremlin narratives about Bandera and NATO.
The fact that he spends all his free time on the forum justifying Russia's aggression against Ukraine with false statements, we can conclude that he is disabled person , not only mentally, but also physically.

I am a free Russian man, healthy and able to shoot from a Kalashnikov. Geographically, several thousand kilometers from Ukraine in the Southern Urals, I am sitting in a comfortable chair behind a large monitor, in a warm apartment with fast Internet, electricity and gas, there is a lot of food in the refrigerator, my iPhone works fine, bank cards are not blocked, money transfers work. My farm mines cryptocurrencies and bitcoin has made me free from the economic turmoil of sanctions. People around also do not look very worried, they go to work and do their usual routine. There is a revival in the military registration and enlistment offices, but only those who served military service and with combat experience are taken as volunteers.

Wait, wait, wait, you really want to say that there is no hatred towards Ukrainians in Russia? That's enough internet for me today.

That's right, in Russia there is no hatred for the people of Ukraine. Russians and Ukrainians are too closely intertwined cultural and family roots to cultivate hatred for each other, it's like a form of schizophrenia. I am sad how some Ukrainians hate Russians, hatred is a self-destructive emotion.

From 2014 to 2021, the status of the Russian language in Ukraine has degraded from regional to actually banned in the public space. Actually, this was one of the main reasons for the armed separatist conflict in Ukraine, it is strange that you do not know this. It is interesting that Russian-speaking residents of Donbass often speak Ukrainian language better, because they study the literary version at school than residents of Western Ukraine with their native surzhik. I am sure that demilitarization and denazification during the current operation will benefit them, ennoble and raise their level of civilization to an acceptable level in a decent society.

No, it's not banned.  It's never been banned.  Putin is using some law involving Ukranian being the official language of Ukraine and requiring Ukranian to be used by people that work for the Ukranian government or have public service jobs to convince people that Russian is 'banned' and that's...genocide.  I know it's crazy.  Oh wait, you fell for it. You should try to stop doing that.

Across Ukraine, the number of schools that teach Russian is rapidly declining, and since 2018, Ukraine has completely stopped publishing textbooks in Russian. Modern Ukrainian school textbooks are some kind of obscurantism, and from an early age children are cultivated anti-Russian propaganda, representing Russians as wild orcs, with whom the best thing to do is to kill. It began under Yushchenko in 2004, and in 17 years a whole generation of narrow-minded nationalist fanatics has grown up, of which now all this Nazi nonsense will have to be knocked out of their heads.

[af_newbie]

Russia has no chance against the free and motivated people of Ukraine.

You're funny.

be.open this is a coward and a fascist spreading Kremlin narratives about Bandera and NATO.
The fact that he spends all his free time on the forum justifying Russia's aggression against Ukraine with false statements, we can conclude that he is disabled person , not only mentally, but also physically.

I am a free Russian man, healthy and able to shoot from a Kalashnikov. Geographically, several thousand kilometers from Ukraine in the Southern Urals, I am sitting in a comfortable chair behind a large monitor, in a warm apartment with fast Internet, electricity and gas, there is a lot of food in the refrigerator, my iPhone works fine, bank cards are not blocked, money transfers work. My farm mines cryptocurrencies and bitcoin has made me free from the economic turmoil of sanctions. People around also do not look very worried, they go to work and do their usual routine. There is a revival in the military registration and enlistment offices, but only those who served military service and with combat experience are taken as volunteers.

Wait, wait, wait, you really want to say that there is no hatred towards Ukrainians in Russia? That's enough internet for me today.

That's right, in Russia there is no hatred for the people of Ukraine. Russians and Ukrainians are too closely intertwined cultural and family roots to cultivate hatred for each other, it's like a form of schizophrenia. I am sad how some Ukrainians hate Russians, hatred is a self-destructive emotion.

From 2014 to 2021, the status of the Russian language in Ukraine has degraded from regional to actually banned in the public space. Actually, this was one of the main reasons for the armed separatist conflict in Ukraine, it is strange that you do not know this. It is interesting that Russian-speaking residents of Donbass often speak Ukrainian language better, because they study the literary version at school than residents of Western Ukraine with their native surzhik. I am sure that demilitarization and denazification during the current operation will benefit them, ennoble and raise their level of civilization to an acceptable level in a decent society.

No, it's not banned.  It's never been banned.  Putin is using some law involving Ukranian being the official language of Ukraine and requiring Ukranian to be used by people that work for the Ukranian government or have public service jobs to convince people that Russian is 'banned' and that's...genocide.  I know it's crazy.  Oh wait, you fell for it. You should try to stop doing that.

Across Ukraine, the number of schools that teach Russian is rapidly declining, and since 2018, Ukraine has completely stopped publishing textbooks in Russian. Modern Ukrainian school textbooks are some kind of obscurantism, and from an early age children are cultivated anti-Russian propaganda, representing Russians as wild orcs, with whom the best thing to do is to kill. It began under Yushchenko in 2004, and in 17 years a whole generation of narrow-minded nationalist fanatics has grown up, of which now all this Nazi nonsense will have to be knocked out of their heads.

Sweety, you have no idea what your countrymen did in Ukraine.

Ukrainians will hate Russians for generations. If you think otherwise, you are delusional.

Ukrainians who spoke Russian before the war, will not want to speak Russian after the war not to be associated with war criminals.

Nobody will want to learn Russian, or teach Russian to children after the war.

[Branko]

Of course not...if you think opposite, find one post where I praise Azov or Bandera and his modern followers

Your threats show who's real fascist here

You support Russian fascism.

Who is fascist in this video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfeflkpcOi4

Nobody will want to learn Russian, or teach Russian to children after the war.

Well, he said nobody was allowed to do so before the war, so wheres the change?

[be.open]

Sweety, you have no idea what your countrymen did in Ukraine.

Ukrainians will hate Russians for generations. If you think otherwise, you are delusional.

Ukrainians who spoke Russian before the war, will not want to speak Russian after the war not to be associated with war criminals.

Nobody will want to learn Russian, or teach Russian to children after the war.

Your empty allegations do not hurt me. The operation in Ukraine did not start this war in the Donbass, it is now ending it there. Yesterday, Zaporozhye separated from Ukraine at a gathering of elders. This is our land, they speak Russian here. A Russian school has already started working in Mariupol.

Ukraine's desire to hate Russia looks suicidal, Russia is simply putting things in order in the region.

Similarly, now Turkey is conducting a special operation in Northern Iraq against the PKK.

[TwitchySeal]

From 2014 to 2021, the status of the Russian language in Ukraine has degraded from regional to actually banned in the public space. Actually, this was one of the main reasons for the armed separatist conflict in Ukraine, it is strange that you do not know this. It is interesting that Russian-speaking residents of Donbass often speak Ukrainian language better, because they study the literary version at school than residents of Western Ukraine with their native surzhik. I am sure that demilitarization and denazification during the current operation will benefit them, ennoble and raise their level of civilization to an acceptable level in a decent society.

No, it's not banned.  It's never been banned.  Putin is using some law involving Ukranian being the official language of Ukraine and requiring Ukranian to be used by people that work for the Ukranian government or have public service jobs to convince people that Russian is 'banned' and that's...genocide.  I know it's crazy.  Oh wait, you fell for it. You should try to stop doing that.

Across Ukraine, the number of schools that teach Russian is rapidly declining, and since 2018, Ukraine has completely stopped publishing textbooks in Russian. Modern Ukrainian school textbooks are some kind of obscurantism, and from an early age children are cultivated anti-Russian propaganda, representing Russians as wild orcs, with whom the best thing to do is to kill. It began under Yushchenko in 2004, and in 17 years a whole generation of narrow-minded nationalist fanatics has grown up, of which now all this Nazi nonsense will have to be knocked out of their heads.

This is still not true: "the status of the Russian language in Ukraine has degraded from regional to actually banned in the public space."

Zelinksy isn't a Nazi.  There aren't Nazis in the Government.  
There is no genocide of Russians.

Putin is making all this shit up because he wants to fuck up Ukraine.Think about it.

[be.open]

This is still not true: "the status of the Russian language in Ukraine has degraded from regional to actually banned in the public space."

It seems you live in an illusory information bubble, having little contact with reality. Stores in Ukraine massively refused to serve Russian-speaking customers. In the bars of Ukraine, Russian speech could easily become a strong argument for a fight. Ukrainians are bilingual people and their attempt to ban the Russian language is absurd, because it impoverishes them and linguistically the Ukrainian language is not a self-sufficient dialect of Russian.

Zelinksy isn't a Nazi.  There aren't Nazis in the Government.  
There is no genocide of Russians.

Putin is making all this shit up because he wants to fuck up Ukraine.Think about it.

The amount of aggression from staunch pacifists in this topic is surprising. You yourself seemed to want to make war with Russia, what are you actually complaining about? Just a month and a half of the operation and Ukraine is already tired?

[Branko]

It seems you live in an illusory information bubble, having little contact with reality. Stores in Ukraine massively refused to serve Russian-speaking customers. In the bars of Ukraine, Russian speech could easily become a strong argument for a fight. Ukrainians are bilingual people and their attempt to ban the Russian language is absurd, because it impoverishes them and linguistically the Ukrainian language is not a self-sufficient dialect of Russian.

One American decided to test it by himself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1EqK4suenY

[Betwrong]

This is still not true: "the status of the Russian language in Ukraine has degraded from regional to actually banned in the public space."

It seems you live in an illusory information bubble, having little contact with reality. Stores in Ukraine massively refused to serve Russian-speaking customers. In the bars of Ukraine, Russian speech could easily become a strong argument for a fight. Ukrainians are bilingual people and their attempt to ban the Russian language is absurd, because it impoverishes them and linguistically the Ukrainian language is not a self-sufficient dialect of Russian.
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This is not true. Don't listen to Putin's propaganda. They brainwash you and people like you. I'm living in Kiev right now, and I never heard or saw a negative reaction to Russian speech during the war, let alone before it.

Of course I understand that in a big country like Ukraine anything can happen, but those are rare cases and propaganda is feeding you with them.

Btw, can you explain what does "I need your microwave and Nutella"



in your Personal Text mean?

Do you really support these people,



or think it's funny?

[Branko]

This is not true. Don't listen to Putin's propaganda. They brainwash you and people like you. I'm living in Kiev right now, and I never heard or saw a negative reaction to Russian speech during the war, let alone before it.

Of course I understand that in a big country like Ukraine anything can happen, but those are rare cases and propaganda is feeding you with them.

So how come POLICE is harassing an American wearing t-shirt with "Russia" written on it?
Not some hooligans, but police

[Tash]

It seems you live in an illusory information bubble, having little contact with reality. Stores in Ukraine massively refused to serve Russian-speaking customers. In the bars of Ukraine, Russian speech could easily become a strong argument for a fight. Ukrainians are bilingual people and their attempt to ban the Russian language is absurd, because it impoverishes them and linguistically the Ukrainian language is not a self-sufficient dialect of Russian.

One American decided to test it by himself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1EqK4suenY

Full blooded nazies.

[icopress]

or think it's funny?

Man, Ignoring is the best way to save your nerves.

[cornhodlr]

Sweety, you have no idea what your countrymen did in Ukraine.

Ukrainians will hate Russians for generations. If you think otherwise, you are delusional.

Ukrainians who spoke Russian before the war, will not want to speak Russian after the war not to be associated with war criminals.

Nobody will want to learn Russian, or teach Russian to children after the war.

Your empty allegations do not hurt me. The operation in Ukraine did not start this war in the Donbass, it is now ending it there. Yesterday, Zaporozhye separated from Ukraine at a gathering of elders. This is our land, they speak Russian here. A Russian school has already started working in Mariupol.

Ukraine's desire to hate Russia looks suicidal, Russia is simply putting things in order in the region.

Similarly, now Turkey is conducting a special operation in Northern Iraq against the PKK.

You are Russian speaker?Do you know why Russia invaded so much of Ukraine and why they did not just invade the parts in the east where they are now concentrated?Why did they risk losing so many of their soldiers and equipment because that seemed to be a suicide mission from the beginning?
Also why did they not just use missiles to target the parts in ukraine where they claim there is military targets instead of sending all those troops so far into Ukraine without any logistics or proper supplies.
If anything it should be the Russian mothers and families of those soldiers whose lives have been wasted your government should be afraid of because if I was a Russian person and some politican sent my son or brother into a war the way some of those soldiers were I would be fucking angry and at least be throwing rocks at the scumbag politicans who literally sent them to their death.

[be.open]

This is not true. Don't listen to Putin's propaganda. They brainwash you and people like you. I'm living in Kiev right now, and I never heard or saw a negative reaction to Russian speech during the war, let alone before it.

Of course I understand that in a big country like Ukraine anything can happen, but those are rare cases and propaganda is feeding you with them.

There is a sufficient amount of documentary evidence of discrimination against the Russian language and its speakers in the Donbass.

Btw, can you explain what does "I need your microwave and Nutella"

in your Personal Text mean?

Do you really support these people,

or think it's funny?

Yes, I was amused by this flight of fantasy of Ukrainian propaganda. I also need your asphalt, street lamp and toilet.

You are Russian speaker?

Yes.

Do you know why Russia invaded so much of Ukraine and why they did not just invade the parts in the east where they are now concentrated?

Good question. I think that Russia launched a preemptive strike not only in the Donbass, but also from the north and south - mainly in order to quickly push the Ukrainian army 100-150 km away from the border with Russia, and thus deprive the Armed Forces of Ukraine of shooting at Russian territory from stationary positions. The longest-range Ukrainian rocket Tochka-U has a maximum flight range of 120 km.

Why did they risk losing so many of their soldiers and equipment because that seemed to be a suicide mission from the beginning?
Also why did they not just use missiles to target the parts in ukraine where they claim there is military targets instead of sending all those troops so far into Ukraine without any logistics or proper supplies.
If anything it should be the Russian mothers and families of those soldiers whose lives have been wasted your government should be afraid of because if I was a Russian person and some politican sent my son or brother into a war the way some of those soldiers were I would be fucking angry and at least be throwing rocks at the scumbag politicans who literally sent them to their death.

I think Ukraine itself was preparing to attack the Donbass in early March, for which it concentrated a powerful strike force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the eastern direction along the entire line of contact. If Russia had not launched a preemptive strike, Ukraine would have crushed the people's militia of Donbass with a powerful assault and NATO would have closed the sky over Ukraine. Russia would have to fight in extremely unfavorable conditions for itself. The operation is well prepared, and extremely forced.

[paxmao]

It's good that Lyusya Arestovich, the mouthpiece of Ukrainian propaganda, is a crystal-clearly honest person.

I'm not really sure what you're trying to show with this video.

Projecting their totalitarian mindset on the rest of the world. They can't imagine that someone criticizing the president is not in prison.

You are mistaken by projecting your complexes on me, and I will explain why. In Russia, one can criticize Putin quite freely if it is essential and desirable when drinking vodka with friends in one's kitchen, not in a public space. For example, Putin promised not to raise the retirement age, and then the retirement age in Russia nevertheless increased - this is a good reason for criticizing Putin among the people.
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It may seem like something completely new and astonishing for you, but there are places where you cannot only criticise your leaders while drinking, you - prepare to be mind-blown - can actually oppose their politics in public without being poisoned, killed or sent to prison. You may not even believe this, but there is even a chance that you can ... sit down, get ready for this... vote to change them if you think they got it wrong! No, I am not kidding you, those places exist!

It's good that Lyusya Arestovich, the mouthpiece of Ukrainian propaganda, is a crystal-clearly honest person.

I'm not really sure what you're trying to show with this video.

Projecting their totalitarian mindset on the rest of the world. They can't imagine that someone criticizing the president is not in prison.

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From 2014 to 2021, the status of the Russian language in Ukraine has degraded from regional to actually banned in the public space. Actually, this was one of the main reasons for the armed separatist conflict in Ukraine, it is strange that you do not know this. It is interesting that Russian-speaking residents of Donbass often speak Ukrainian language better, because they study the literary version at school than residents of Western Ukraine with their native surzhik.
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Is not an operation, but I know you are not allowed to say so. It is a war of aggression - an invasion of a free country by a despot.

In the latest language map I got, Russian is majoritarian in most of the east and I am yet to see a source (other than the Russian Ministry of Dark Humour and Fantasyland Tales) effectively banning any language in any territory of Ukraine - which is quite multicultural and multilingual.

Ukrainians are speaking of this as their (second) war of independence. Putin has managed to create a national unity spirit on a country that is varied and socially a bit chaotic (in the best sense).

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Sweety, you have no idea what your countrymen did in Ukraine. Ukrainians will hate Russians for generations. If you think otherwise, you are delusional.
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Whoever prepares the scripts of be.open is speaking to people who have not ever experienced a war or even a post-war. Anyone that has some contact with a war, even if it is a generation after, clearly understands your point: hate may last many decades, sometimes centuries. Putin does not care to send their young to die, nor cares about the future because he is nearly 70 and is just looking for a page in the Russian history books as "the rebuilder of the Russian empire". Tough luck, his legacy will only be of hatred, death and poverty for his serfs and for his neighbourgs.

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Similarly, now Turkey is conducting a special operation in Northern Iraq against the PKK.

Similar? Then you are admitting Putin's war is genocide?

This is not true. Don't listen to Putin's propaganda. They brainwash you and people like you. I'm living in Kiev right now, and I never heard or saw a negative reaction to Russian speech during the war, let alone before it.

Of course I understand that in a big country like Ukraine anything can happen, but those are rare cases and propaganda is feeding you with them.

So how come POLICE is harassing an American wearing t-shirt with "Russia" written on it?
Not some hooligans, but police

Perhaps you can explain why the Russian police arrests a guy with a BLANK sheet of paper in the Red Square and then make questions yourself?



 

[evilgreed]

               I have been reading the responses of the people here and I have gained better insight about the situation in Ukraine and Russia, how people are coping or reacting to these incidents. But the conversation is somehow progressing in an ugly manner. It is slowly becoming personal attacks now instead of being informative. It would be nice if we keep on the topic itself for the sake of spreading authentic and good information which is pretty rare to find on local news nowadays. Thanks and have a great day everyone.

[paxmao]

              I have been reading the responses of the people here and I have gained better insight about the situation in Ukraine and Russia, how people are coping or reacting to these incidents. But the conversation is somehow progressing in an ugly manner. It is slowly becoming personal attacks now instead of being informative. It would be nice if we keep on the topic itself for the sake of spreading authentic and good information which is pretty rare to find on local news nowadays. Thanks and have a great day everyone.

That would be ideal yes. The problem is war. War is very personal, it cannot be treated with any objectivity because it consists of people trying to kill others for their gain. When, on top of that, quite a few of the people here are throwing paragraph after paragraph of official propaganda and trying to make facts doubtful or subject to opinion, they certainly deserve some personalised attention.

[be.open]

It may seem like something completely new and astonishing for you, but there are places where you cannot only criticise your leaders while drinking, you - prepare to be mind-blown - can actually oppose their politics in public without being poisoned, killed or sent to prison. You may not even believe this, but there is even a chance that you can ... sit down, get ready for this... vote to change them if you think they got it wrong! No, I am not kidding you, those places exist!

Yeah, I know. I live in the city where I was born and I like everything here in general. The Russian people in general are usually completely apolitical and well decentralized, Putin does not tell me how to live directly, and his policies generally suit me well. It is always possible to do something better, but it is not necessary for this to gather in a crowd and arrange a rally about it. Here Ukraine jumped on the Maidan, and it brought a lot of happiness to it? I am a crypto-anarchist and I try not to get into politics without a good reason, so there are more important things.

Ukrainians are speaking of this as their (second) war of independence. Putin has managed to create a national unity spirit on a country that is varied and socially a bit chaotic (in the best sense).

I am glad that Ukraine felt its national spirit during the operation - this means that it will remain an independent sovereign state. You just have to change the national idea from "kill the Russians" to something more appropriate in a decent European civilized society, where Ukraine itself is so eager. It seems Ukrainian refugees in Europe are no longer very welcome.