Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[be.open]

That's right, in Russia there is no hatred for the people of Ukraine. Russians and Ukrainians are too closely intertwined cultural and family roots to cultivate hatred for each other, it's like a form of schizophrenia. I am sad how some Ukrainians hate Russians, hatred is a self-destructive emotion.

You must be living in some alternative reality. Go into streets or open some social media and you'll see what Russians think about Ukrainians. Calling Ukrainians as nazi or banderovtsy is common stuff in Russia. It's not about Azov, not about Zelensky or someone else, but about whole nation. I don't even talk about such words like Khokhol

I have two friends who are ethnic Ukrainians (one supports the operation, the other does not support and does not want to discuss this topic) and another friend has a wife from Donbass, her parents have long been accustomed to living under the shelling of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Another friend of mine is an ethnic Tatar. Other friends are Russian. I meet with them, we drink vodka and there is no hatred between us - this is my objective reality.

If your reality is different, you are probably a racist.

So, what's wrong with that? Official language in Ukraine is Ukrainian, so, it's normal that they don't teach Russian as main language. But they still teach Russian as foreign language. And anti-Russian propaganda in school textbooks, what you describe is sounds more like some conspiracy theory.

Apparently people in the Donbass do not want to learn their native Russian as a foreign language.

And despite things you said, people in Ukraine continue to use Russian language without any issues. Many troops who defends Ukraine speak Russian, public faces or many politics too.

The facts of the oppression of the Russian-speaking population in Ukraine are too numerous and documented for your allegation to cancel them - even if you are completely right.

My question remains, what's so important to the US about this Russia and Ukraine fight that they can't use their veto power to settle them amicably but rather they seem to take side with the Ukrainian president?? Spending billions of dollars in military aid in Ukraine.
I think this Biden campaign for war against Russia (and not against terrorism and the killing in other poor countries) is suspicious and uncalled for. The US should trade with caution before it escalates to what they may not be able to control.
The world needs peace!

Good question. I think for the United States the armed conflict between Ukraine and Russia is not only very beneficial, but also vital. The US economy is not in the best condition after the pandemic, the Fed's quantitative easing program was very adventurous and irresponsible. Someone had to pay for it, and Europe was chosen as the victim. To do this, you just need to quarrel Russia and Germany, whose strong alliance looks dangerous for the United States, and Ukraine serves as an instrument for this. To which the United States is actively supplying weapons, getting rid of old trash at a market price and loading its military-industrial complex with orders - and this is a powerful incentive for the entire economy. Europe also profitably got rid of its old weapons, which are expensive to store and dispose of, but cannot load their military-industrial complex due to a shortage of energy in Europe, because the military industry is very energy-intensive.

It is also beneficial for Russia - to dispose of artillery shells with an expiration date during the operation, to test new types of weapons in combat conditions, to load their military industry with work and orders. In general, this operation seems to be beneficial to everyone, except for Ukraine itself.

You say you are a crypto-anarchist, but your posting shows something very different - just for short, supporting a despot.

You are confusing an crypto-anarchist with a protesting punk. I support Putin because I can, his actions seem to me quite reasonable and in the interests of Russia. My anarchy is that I make decisions on my own who I support, regardless of the pressure of public opinion - based on my own analysis of data and internal motives.

[cryptomaxsun]

Sweety, you have no idea what your countrymen did in Ukraine.

Ukrainians will hate Russians for generations. If you think otherwise, you are delusional.

Ukrainians who spoke Russian before the war, will not want to speak Russian after the war not to be associated with war criminals.

Nobody will want to learn Russian, or teach Russian to children after the war.

Your empty allegations do not hurt me. The operation in Ukraine did not start this war in the Donbass, it is now ending it there. Yesterday, Zaporozhye separated from Ukraine at a gathering of elders. This is our land, they speak Russian here. A Russian school has already started working in Mariupol.

Ukraine's desire to hate Russia looks suicidal, Russia is simply putting things in order in the region.

Similarly, now Turkey is conducting a special operation in Northern Iraq against the PKK.

You are a damned, complete moron, carrying nonsense, none of what you write, no!
You invent everything on the go, you are a fascist who is sick in the head, Russia has already lost the war!
Glory to Ukraine! Death to the enemies!

[Tash]

infowars

Ah, right. Must be those gay frogs causing all this trouble.

My question remains, what's so important to the US about this Russia and Ukraine fight that they can't use their veto power to settle them amicably but rather they seem to take side with the Ukrainian president??

Someone needs to call Biden and tell him that he has "veto power" to stop the war. Why did no one ever think of that.


You two clowns suck at this propaganda thing. Let be.open speak for Putin, at least he can toe the party line.

Interesting to see someone sucking the establishments dick in a Bitcoin forum. You might think people would question the official story in here. 

 

Those days are long gone.
The shills around today are worse than the groobment hoons.

[paxmao]

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It is also beneficial for Russia - to dispose of artillery shells with an expiration date during the operation, to test new types of weapons in combat conditions, to load their military industry with work and orders. In general, this operation seems to be beneficial to everyone, except for Ukraine itself.

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Are you not forgetting someone in that "benefits report"? You know... like the several thousand Russian soldiers dead and those that will die in vain for a septuagenarian fool? And their children and widows?

I was not sure your scriptwriters were psychos until now. Hold on... that's it... there is another benefit: reducing the personnel costs of Putin's army.

Oh, oh.. another benefit: less cost in test dummies for Javelins (they are now being tested on Putin's soldiers) and another Poland and Czech Republic can swap their old Russian equipment for NATO one by sending the old stuff to Ukraine (Migs, S-300,...) Boy, one for me personally... I am getting a few tanks at 100 USD, and also Putin got rid of a few generals that surely were expensive to maintain.

It´s not hard to control peoples minds when 6 corporations own 90% of the media.

https://techstartups.com/2020/09/18/6-corporations-control-90-media-america-illusion-choice-objectivity-2020/

"These 6 corporations control 90% of the media outlets in America. The illusion of choice and objectivity"

- The world is not just America. There are news outlets everywhere.
- Anyone in the West can create an outlet or provide news and opinion. For example, Joe Rogan was no-one a few years ago and now reaches millions. For example "techstartups" can freely speak about how they are not free to speak and you can speak in the forum about how you cannot speak freely.

And in math terms 6 is six times more than one - being that one Putin.

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You say you are a crypto-anarchist, but your posting shows something very different - just for short, supporting a despot.

You are confusing an crypto-anarchist with a protesting punk. I support Putin because I can, his actions seem to me quite reasonable and in the interests of Russia. My anarchy is that I make decisions on my own who I support, regardless of the pressure of public opinion - based on my own analysis of data and internal motives.

I see, is like having a secret girlfriend. You are an anarchist at heart, but you are fine with a despot. Either you have a really poor script writer or you need to try a different medication for each of your personalities.

In any case, it is great that you are happy with Putin, you have no other choice.

My question remains, what's so important to the US about this Russia and Ukraine fight that they can't use their veto power to settle them amicably but rather they seem to take side with the Ukrainian president??

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So, in your world it works like this: Joe waves his Magic Vetowand of Power and all the sudden the war stops? Sorry to break the news to you, the world does not work like that.

Now, back to reality, I have already stated that the US is not necessarily uncomfortable with wars in Europe. In the last 3, the strategy has been to let Russia and Europe bleed and get into debt to then stop the war by sending the massive military means they posses. I guess that is just one more of the things Putin did not get right and did not learn from History.  

[tvbcof]

Interesting to see someone sucking the establishments dick in a Bitcoin forum. You might think people would question the official story in here.  

It (skepticism of orthodox mainstream information/norms) used to be that way more, but honestly there have been a surprising number of 'normies' even in the early days.  The main difference between the anacro-normies and today's crop is that the old-timers generally liked crypto-currency (and are now fairly well off.)  The noobs come in all shades in terms of their disposition toward crypto, and are generally not so well off one would expect of the early adopters.

I do suspect that once some of the real power-players in society recognized the complications possible from the development of distributed crypto-currencies, they had their troll-farm contractors assign some resources to the issue and some of they landed here.  Some of them may have stayed even as the importance of this forum waned.  Or not.

[TwitchySeal]

To which the United States is actively supplying weapons, getting rid of old trash at a market price and loading its military-industrial complex with orders - and this is a powerful incentive for the entire economy. Europe also profitably got rid of its old weapons, which are expensive to store and dispose of, but cannot load their military-industrial complex due to a shortage of energy in Europe, because the military industry is very energy-intensive.

Are you saying Ukraine (which isn't a real country according to Putin) used trash weapons that nobody else even wanted to stop the mighty Russian army (and friends) from taking Kiev and forced them to abandon their primary mission and retreat?

How embarrassing.

[paxmao]

To which the United States is actively supplying weapons, getting rid of old trash at a market price and loading its military-industrial complex with orders - and this is a powerful incentive for the entire economy. Europe also profitably got rid of its old weapons, which are expensive to store and dispose of, but cannot load their military-industrial complex due to a shortage of energy in Europe, because the military industry is very energy-intensive.

Are you saying Ukraine (which isn't a real country according to Putin) used trash weapons that nobody else even wanted to stop the mighty Russian army (and friends) from taking Kiev and forced them to abandon their primary mission and retreat?

How embarrassing.

A shortage of energy in Europe impeding the manufacturing of weapons you say? Is that what Putin's media says? I am amazed at their creativity... perhaps decades ago they collected something from the fields of poppies in Afghanistan and their are still smoking it.

The calculation is simple, if Germany, France and perhaps some of the minors effectively rise the military spending to 2%, it would already surpass Russia (which spends already 11% of their GDP on weapons). Putin's Tzardom is simply outclassed.

It is true, some countries in Europe are passing their old Soviet tanks, SAMs and jets and getting cute modern NATO weaponry. It is like when the government gives you a bonus for changing your car to a better one.

[paxmao]

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It is true, some countries in Europe are passing their old Soviet tanks, SAMs and jets and getting cute modern NATO weaponry. It is like when the government gives you a bonus for changing your car to a better one.

This thread is not about your purchases from Amazon, unless you are forecasting Putin's future with that?

[be.open]

God wants me to share this.

Putin is not God. Patrick Lancaster is not a journalist.

Patrick Lancaster certainly cannot be denied courage. A front-line reporter is a dangerous job, sometimes he is at a distance of less than 100 meters from the line of fire.

Looks like they killed this guy Gonzalo who have been exposing the western intelligence propaganda in Ukraine.

Too bad, his last stream with Scott Ritter is very educational.

You are a damned, complete moron, carrying nonsense, none of what you write, no!
You invent everything on the go, you are a fascist who is sick in the head, Russia has already lost the war!
Glory to Ukraine! Death to the enemies!

Your way of thinking in slogans is very amusing, the style of a rural gopnik has been detected. Axмaт - cилa! Allah Akbar!

[tvbcof]

... getting cute modern NATO weaponry. ...

This thread is not about your purchases from Amazon, unless you are forecasting Putin's future with that?

I didn't know you could get them on Amazon, but I guess I shouldn't be too surprised.  I just did an image search for 'rainbow dildo' and that was the least NSFW one which came up on the first page.  Did you already get one, or just signed in to your Amazon account to look?

[be.open]

Are you not forgetting someone in that "benefits report"? You know... like the several thousand Russian soldiers dead and those that will die in vain for a septuagenarian fool? And their children and widows?

I was not sure your scriptwriters were psychos until now. Hold on... that's it... there is another benefit: reducing the personnel costs of Putin's army.

Oh, oh.. another benefit: less cost in test dummies for Javelins (they are now being tested on Putin's soldiers) and another Poland and Czech Republic can swap their old Russian equipment for NATO one by sending the old stuff to Ukraine (Migs, S-300,...) Boy, one for me personally... I am getting a few tanks at 100 USD, and also Putin got rid of a few generals that surely were expensive to maintain.

One death is an irreparable loss. Thousands of deaths is a reasonable measured risk in this context. Putin today gave the order not to storm the bunker near Azovstal in order to save the lives of special forces soldiers. He ordered Shoigu to simply block it so that the fly would not fly by.

I hope you understand that all Western military assistance to Ukraine is a loan that will have to be repaid in the future. Including those weapons that the Russians are blowing up with Calibers in Lviv.

To which the United States is actively supplying weapons, getting rid of old trash at a market price and loading its military-industrial complex with orders - and this is a powerful incentive for the entire economy. Europe also profitably got rid of its old weapons, which are expensive to store and dispose of, but cannot load their military-industrial complex due to a shortage of energy in Europe, because the military industry is very energy-intensive.

Are you saying Ukraine (which isn't a real country according to Putin) used trash weapons that nobody else even wanted to stop the mighty Russian army (and friends) from taking Kiev and forced them to abandon their primary mission and retreat?

How embarrassing.

I think Russia's military maneuver in northern Ukraine was mostly a distraction, plus to take control of the Chernobyl nuclear power plant and prevent provocations from Ukraine with radioactive contamination of the area. It could have been executed more successfully and prevented a provocation in Bucha, but it turned out the way it did.

Russia is conducting this operation with inadequately small forces. I think Putin managed to surprise Western intelligence, who hardly expected that this was even possible in principle.

[paxmao]

... getting cute modern NATO weaponry. ...

This thread is not about your purchases from Amazon, unless you are forecasting Putin's future with that?

I didn't know you could get them on Amazon, but I guess I shouldn't be too surprised.  I just did an image search for 'rainbow dildo' and that was the least NSFW one which came up on the first page.  Did you already get one, or just signed in to your Amazon account to look?

Just a lucky guess.

Are you not forgetting someone in that "benefits report"? You know... like the several thousand Russian soldiers dead and those that will die in vain for a septuagenarian fool? And their children and widows?

I was not sure your scriptwriters were psychos until now. Hold on... that's it... there is another benefit: reducing the personnel costs of Putin's army.

Oh, oh.. another benefit: less cost in test dummies for Javelins (they are now being tested on Putin's soldiers) and another Poland and Czech Republic can swap their old Russian equipment for NATO one by sending the old stuff to Ukraine (Migs, S-300,...) Boy, one for me personally... I am getting a few tanks at 100 USD, and also Putin got rid of a few generals that surely were expensive to maintain.

One death is an irreparable loss. Thousands of deaths is a reasonable measured risk in this context. Putin today gave the order not to storm the bunker near Azovstal in order to save the lives of special forces soldiers. He ordered Shoigu to simply block it so that the fly would not fly by.

I hope you understand that all Western military assistance to Ukraine is a loan that will have to be repaid in the future. Including those weapons that the Russians are blowing up with Calibers in Lviv.

Sure, Putin is in Mariupol for humanitarian reasons   You are the best!

Ukraine can grow as a country with the West, debt is not an issue, existential threats are. Besides, there are a few yachts confiscated that may cover for it.

Sure, keep on thinking that Putin can destroy the weapons sent with throwing missiles - seems to me as effective as the idea of taking Kyiv. You remember?

[be.open]

Ukraine can grow as a country with the West, debt is not an issue, existential threats are. Besides, there are a few yachts confiscated that may cover for it.

It is difficult to grow when it seems that Ukraine is lying like a fixed organ donor on the operating table, and region after region is cut off from it. Not the best time to analyze existential threats.

Sure, keep on thinking that Putin can destroy the weapons sent with throwing missiles - seems to me as effective as the idea of taking Kyiv. You remember?

Putin's plan seems to be working well. I admire the quality of the planning of this operation by Russia, although there are some difficulties with the implementation. Threatening to take Kyiv from the north, Russia fettered a large grouping of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which seems to be very lacking now in the Donbass. There are rumors that the DPR is preparing to receive and accommodate 30-50 thousand captured soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine after the recently started battle in the Donbass. The chances of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in this battle do not look very optimistic - to die, surrender or try to retreat to the West in an organized manner, leaving their well-fortified positions, these are essentially all the options. I do not see any prerequisites for counter-attacks by the Armed Forces of Ukraine under continuous artillery and rocket fire. I think the Armed Forces of Ukraine may begin to retreat to the cities and try to draw Russia into urban battles, like in Mariupol, hiding behind civilians - but this is a tactic of terrorists, not a regular army. And Russia has a short conversation with terrorists.

[cryptomaxsun]

the Russian army of impotents lost this war completely. The Russian army is unable to conduct combat operations, there is a rout on all fronts.
This is not surprising, in the 20th century Russia fought 6 wars, lost 5 of them.
Russians can only rob, kill civilians.
This is what they do well.

[Branko]

the Russian army of impotents lost this war completely. The Russian army is unable to conduct combat operations, there is a rout on all fronts.
This is not surprising, in the 20th century Russia fought 6 wars, lost 5 of them.
Russians can only rob, kill civilians.
This is what they do well.

Wait a minute...if Russia won in Syria, what happened in WW2, they lost?

[LTU_btc]

I have two friends who are ethnic Ukrainians (one supports the operation, the other does not support and does not want to discuss this topic) and another friend has a wife from Donbass, her parents have long been accustomed to living under the shelling of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Another friend of mine is an ethnic Tatar. Other friends are Russian. I meet with them, we drink vodka and there is no hatred between us - this is my objective reality.

If your reality is different, you are probably a racist.

But that's just your social bubble, it probably can't reflect whole Russia. I think it's difficult to deny that hatred of Ukrainians isn't a thing.
From my personal experience with Russians - most of them are good people, as long as you don't start to talk about politics with them.

Apparently people in the Donbass do not want to learn their native Russian as a foreign language.

Well, that's one of questions where I don't agree with Ukraine position. I think they had to give regional language status to Russian language. And I think it's one of few questions which can be discussed with Russia. But all these negotiations which happened so far were completely pointless.

The facts of the oppression of the Russian-speaking population in Ukraine are too numerous and documented for your allegation to cancel them - even if you are completely right.

You contradict yourself with this sentence. Big part of Ukrainian population speaks Russian without any issues and at the same time there is oppression of Russian speaking people. Could you show few examples of such discrimination?

[BADecker]

One major point. Unless you are on the ground in the Ukraine, you will never know what is happening over there.

The media lies.
People who report from there, can't be trusted... for all you know... except that you are friends with them personally.

[be.open]

But that's just your social bubble, it probably can't reflect whole Russia. I think it's difficult to deny that hatred of Ukrainians isn't a thing.
From my personal experience with Russians - most of them are good people, as long as you don't start to talk about politics with them.

I don't have another social bubble.

Well, that's one of questions where I don't agree with Ukraine position. I think they had to give regional language status to Russian language. And I think it's one of few questions which can be discussed with Russia. But all these negotiations which happened so far were completely pointless.

I think the right to speak one's own language in one's own land is not a subject for negotiations.

You contradict yourself with this sentence. Big part of Ukrainian population speaks Russian without any issues and at the same time there is oppression of Russian speaking people. Could you show few examples of such discrimination?

For example, on May 2, 2014, the Nazis of the Right Sector shot and burned alive 48 Russian-speaking people in Odessa in the House of Trade Unions. This became the trigger for the civil war in Donbass, which has been going on for almost 8 years. And which will end with the demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine thanks to the intervention of Russia.

[suchmoon]

Meanwhile new mass graves are showing up near Mariupol:

https://www.space.com/mass-grave-mariupol-ukraine-satellite-photos

Same pattern as in Bucha, Russian-controlled territory, civilian deaths, I'm guessing Russian propaganda excuses will be the same ("nazis" are not civilians and everyone is a "nazi" / Ukrainians are killing each other / "pindos" satellite fake photos / etc). Can't use the one about "3 days to set up a Hollywood film set"... or maybe they can, logic doesn't have to be part of it.

Mariupol is much larger than Bucha or even all Russian-ravaged Kyiv suburbs, and was shelled indiscriminately for nearly two months, so the scale of civilian killings is likely to be much larger as well.

[coolcoinz]

the Russian army of impotents lost this war completely. The Russian army is unable to conduct combat operations, there is a rout on all fronts.
This is not surprising, in the 20th century Russia fought 6 wars, lost 5 of them.
Russians can only rob, kill civilians.
This is what they do well.

Wait a minute...if Russia won in Syria, what happened in WW2, they lost?

Won. Lost. It's all a matter of perspective. For instance, Russia attacked Poland hand in hand with the Nazi Germans (only nazis there ever were, despite Russian propaganda calling Ukrainians this way). Russians showed they had no spine, trying once again to murder and subdue, like vultures. Eventually they were forced to change sides because Hitler was even more greedy and that move put Russians on the side of the Allies. Nowadays they think of themselves as the saviors of Europe, the enemies of Hitler. They don't like to be reminded that they were his allies, just got cheated and fought back.

Finland wanted to be neutral, but got attacked by overwhelming Russian forces and managed to defend itself pretty well, much like Ukraine is doing now. We could say Finland won, but the history books say something else. Finland continued to fight against Russia when it joined forces with the Allies to fight the Germans, which formally placed it on the side of the Axis, the losing side. Was it the fault of Finland in any way? It wasn't the aggressor, it wasn't the loser, yet it lost and had to give up part of its territories to the country that was the second biggest bully in Europe at the time, the same country that continues to be the biggest bully today, when there's no Third Reich anymore.

IMO Russia formally won WW2, but it shouldn't have. When someone invades your home and shoots you, there are consequences. He can't change his mind during the assault, apologize and bandage your wounds, what's done is already done. Russians invaded countries, killed and raped people and then changed their minds and started playing the victim and the whole world accepted it and allowed them to do what they wanted and have the borders they wanted.