PH banned online cockfighting - Worst gambling-related cases recorded!

[TopTort777]

cockfighting is one of the oldest gambling form that still exists today, along with horse racing. While horse racing is somewhat not super unethical, cockfighting is really unethical and it usually ends with a murder of an animal. But when governments has seen revenue, they didn't stop the spread, rather PH has a separate department for regulating such gambling habit.

https://www.pagcor.ph/regulatory/e-sabong.php

Cockfighting is a gambling game for the lower income group people in PH that's why it became immensely popular among the mass. But I am glad, that the government has finally decided to pull the plug from such bloody unethical game.

Reminds me of banning bullfighting in Spain, which was way more bloody than two cocks fighting. I can understand why bullfighting was closed - because bull will die anyway and before facing bullfighter with sward, he is exhausted by bullfighters team (dont remember their name, the guys on horses with pikes). But cock vs cock is a fair fight. Same as boxing or mix martial art fight.

What about fishing championship for example? People gamble there also. Fish gets killed, later person guts the fish and behead it. Same murder or massacre. Ban it !

[ultrloa]

Good decision made by PH government because it really create huge disastrous effect to the life of the gamblers as well with their families.

Also their past issues regarding on those missing gamblers is also one key major factor why they need to stop this. Hopefully they totally ban this because the accessibility of this platform what make people put at risk because many are now addicted on this E-sabong.

[Kelvinid]

Good decision made by PH government because it really create huge disastrous effect to the life of the gamblers as well with their families.

Also their past issues regarding on those missing gamblers is also one key major factor why they need to stop this. Hopefully they totally ban this because the accessibility of this platform what make people put at risk because many are now addicted on this E-sabong.

Is the case already resolved? I haven't heard the latest update about that missing people..

This is bad for taxes but good for everyone, imagine, people who cannot even afford food for their family are using their money to gamble.
For as long as 2 USD, you can bet, but people who does not even earn below minimum wage are gambling, so where would their life go?

[ipanks]

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If that is the best solution from the PH government, then it should have been done to prevent a bigger disaster that could arise in the future before more people or families are destroyed because of that gambling. But we don't know whether this method effectively anticipates it or if something else is needed. But actually, people's awareness is really needed in this case because, with so many people addicted to E-sabong gambling, they should care and not get involved further.

[Kakmakr]

The principle of "The lesser of two evils" comes to mind here...

One the one hand you have animal cruelty and gambling addiction and on the other hand you have extra Tax income for the government. How will the people feel, if a school was built on the tax income from lives that was ruined by gambling addiction and animal cruelty?

This will never happen in 1st world countries where people are more distanced from the cruelty that are connected to animal slaughter for their meat. They are too sensitized and pre-occupied with animal rights and tree hugging ..than in 3rd world countries.

I speak from experience... because I live in a 1st world country and I work on contract in 3rd world countries. 

[aioc]

Good decision made by PH government because it really create huge disastrous effect to the life of the gamblers as well with their families.

Also their past issues regarding on those missing gamblers is also one key major factor why they need to stop this. Hopefully they totally ban this because the accessibility of this platform what make people put at risk because many are now addicted on this E-sabong.

They have no choice but to ban e- sabong or news of people losing properties and lives will continue to hunt the Duterte administration, the revenue is huge to sustain the recovery program but Duterte chooses values over profit and that's a good decision, but Duterte's term will end, if the new president needs funding and his advisers offer huge revenues from e-sabong, there's a possibility that it will be reopened, so we'll wait next year when a new President steps in.

[arwin100]

Good decision made by PH government because it really create huge disastrous effect to the life of the gamblers as well with their families.

Also their past issues regarding on those missing gamblers is also one key major factor why they need to stop this. Hopefully they totally ban this because the accessibility of this platform what make people put at risk because many are now addicted on this E-sabong.

They have no choice but to ban e- sabong or news of people losing properties and lives will continue to hunt the Duterte administration, the revenue is huge to sustain the recovery program but Duterte chooses values over profit and that's a good decision, but Duterte's term will end, if the new president needs funding and his advisers offer huge revenues from e-sabong, there's a possibility that it will be reopened, so we'll wait next year when a new President steps in.

They always have a choice but PH government always see the huge taxes what E-sabong can bring that's why even if there's an issue like this before they decide to continue this and the owner able to collect more money to their bettors. And since government already see how huge the damage it cause to its citizens and many life destroyed by this E-sabong now they put a decision to stop this and I can say this is good implementation they made towards this long time burden of people who's family is engage with this bad habits.

There's a huge money lose by government for stopping this but for sure we can see the benefits as many people are now away for being addicted of this cock fighthing game.

[coin-investor]

Cockfighting and other forms of gambling have been in existing in the Philippines but this is the only time that it made an impact to the society, this is because in the past there is a time limit in cockfighting and you had to go to the venue and so are other forms of gambling like horse racing but here in e-sabong it is made available to you 24/7, you can bet anytime and a compulsive gambler cannot stop himself on something that is there 24/7.

[Smartprofit]

Yes, the Philippines has been hit hard by the Covid-19 pandemic. 

The country does not have a large amount of natural resources to sell them abroad in order to receive foreign exchange earnings. 

Therefore, online cockfighting is very important in solving the economic problems of Filipinos. 

However, cockfighting is a very violent and bloody sport.  Roosters are very aggressive birds.  Their spurs are a terrible weapon.  Sometimes the owners of fighting cocks specially sharpen these spurs, in which case they inflict particularly severe wounds. 

In addition, a situation is very dangerous when a large part of the population becomes obsessed with gambling.  The state must collect taxes, but its even more important function is to create a healthy socio-psychological climate among the population of its country. 

Therefore (in my opinion) the ban on cockfighting on the Internet is a well-grounded and well-thought-out management decision.

[fiulpro]

For me the good new is :
1. They have banned cock fighting which is honestly nothing but animal abuse
2. They have somehow prevented people from actually engaging in this activity.

Cock fighting is honestly a super agressive sports which can really put stress on not just the animal but people who are seeing it live as well. At the same time the economy of Philippines is going down and the first thing they can do is to actually prevent the people from using their money on things like that.

There is also an option of other people also getting hurt because of this, good news ! Hope this helps.

[Shamm]

Good decision made by PH government because it really create huge disastrous effect to the life of the gamblers as well with their families.

Also their past issues regarding on those missing gamblers is also one key major factor why they need to stop this. Hopefully they totally ban this because the accessibility of this platform what make people put at risk because many are now addicted on this E-sabong.

The decision is good and the government must solve these kind of issues first before they pursue or before they allowed The E sabong again. Because in the last months the missing sabongeros are very high and until now they are not found. But for me it's better to permanently banned this kind of online gambling platforms cause now days many people are addicted to this game. Even in the complex the issues did not solve yet so it's good to hear that they will banned cock fighting for now.

[Cling18]

The impact of cockfighting in the Philippines has been worse especially when lots of people go missing because of it. There are rumors that a huge syndicate is behind it. There are also recorded crimes connected to cockfighting which also involves officials and several policemen. It's too disappointing that the legalization of cockfighting was abused and caused lots of crimes. It's a good thing that the government has considered banning it because of its bad impact on the community.

[Maslate]

The impact of cockfighting in the Philippines has been worse especially when lots of people go missing because of it. There are rumors that a huge syndicate is behind it. There are also recorded crimes connected to cockfighting which also involves officials and several policemen. It's too disappointing that the legalization of cockfighting was abused and caused lots of crimes. It's a good thing that the government has considered banning it because of its bad impact on the community.

Poverty is the main reason, if that E-Sabong will continue to exist, it will only give an opportunity to people to gamble and the biggest audience of e-sabong are the poor people. Stopping it is not good for the operators as they are making billions of pesos on a monthly basis, but there's nothing they can do because the President himself does not want it to continue making money from people.

[pawanjain]

But since the hype of online cockfighting here, there are lots of recorded negative effects of gambling up to this date. Some people sold their houses, cars, gadgets, and even a "kid".

Now that's too much. I have never ever heard of such an incident where anybody sold their kid just so that they can gamble more.
If things are worse at such levels then banning cockfighting is the best thing to do as it would at least make things better hopefully.
The government can find other ways to generate revenue but conditions like this are definitely worst.

[carlfebz2]

Good decision made by PH government because it really create huge disastrous effect to the life of the gamblers as well with their families.

Also their past issues regarding on those missing gamblers is also one key major factor why they need to stop this. Hopefully they totally ban this because the accessibility of this platform what make people put at risk because many are now addicted on this E-sabong.

They have no choice but to ban e- sabong or news of people losing properties and lives will continue to hunt the Duterte administration, the revenue is huge to sustain the recovery program but Duterte chooses values over profit and that's a good decision, but Duterte's term will end, if the new president needs funding and his advisers offer huge revenues from e-sabong, there's a possibility that it will be reopened, so we'll wait next year when a new President steps in.

They always have a choice but PH government always see the huge taxes what E-sabong can bring that's why even if there's an issue like this before they decide to continue this and the owner able to collect more money to their bettors. And since government already see how huge the damage it cause to its citizens and many life destroyed by this E-sabong now they put a decision to stop this and I can say this is good implementation they made towards this long time burden of people who's family is engage with this bad habits.

There's a huge money lose by government for stopping this but for sure we can see the benefits as many people are now away for being addicted of this cock fighthing game.

For sure they have been rethinking about the possible benefits that they could get from this in speaking with taxes or revenue but still they do consider out the status of their citizens which are really that addicted

to this online betting which could really destroy up some lives if not really that controlled properly.So they do came up into a solution on stopping it completely, yes its a waste of revenue but

they do mind about their citizens condition for them to be avoided on too much addiction.

[Welsh]

I don't see animal cruelty here because in the first place, these fighting cocks are treated well. It's hard to breed fighting cocks for a purpose on that. Breeders are spending lots of money here and in the end, they will just show cruelty on their own fighting cocks lol.

Living things bred for a purpose, that they don't have any control for. If you want to look at evolution, they wasn't meant to be bred for a specific purpose. I mean, I know the counter argument to this is that we breed animals all the time to eat produce or harvest certain materials from them. However, breeding something to basically fight, and as far as I know fight to the death in most cases? That doesn't sit right with me. Personally, I'm quite shocked the amount of users here talking about the money aspect, rather than the morality of it all.

Personally, I couldn't care about the money aspect. A question to ask would be if it brings money into the country, and benefits people that would otherwise be poor, is that a real reason to basically condemn an animal to this way of life? Effectively it's for gambling, which you could question if that's moral, especially when it hasn't been implemented with the upmost due diligence.

I know as humans we've tended to use animals in history as a way of entertainment, and we still do. Although, personally for me I'm not a fan of the animals being bred to fight to the death. Even, the bulls which are penned in, and then agitated purposely to get a show. Also, not a fan of that.

One the one hand you have animal cruelty and gambling addiction and on the other hand you have extra Tax income for the government. How will the people feel, if a school was built on the tax income from lives that was ruined by gambling addiction and animal cruelty?

This will never happen in 1st world countries where people are more distanced from the cruelty that are connected to animal slaughter for their meat. They are too sensitized and pre-occupied with animal rights and tree hugging ..than in 3rd world countries.

You make good points, and I've thought about this. It definitely does do good, but at what cost? I mean, shouldn't we be striving to make money at as little cost to other life around us as possible? I'm sure there's other things they could be pouring money into to better the country, because no doubt there was money being poured into this sport from all over.

The good point you do make is, we do harvest animals for food. This happens all over the world, and despite improving awareness about the conditions these animals are put in, it's still universally bad. There's also definitely moral questions to be asked about this situation. For the record, I say that as a non vegetarian.

[bitbollo]

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Unfortunately, the focus of this banning is the excessive use of that specific platform.
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it would have been better to read about an exclusion for ethical reasons, but I think these are Western values, difficult to find around the world.
As I said before, the problem in such case isnt not related a specific type of gambling. If you develop such kind of addiction, you Will play just with any other gambling games...

[dothebeats]

The principle of "The lesser of two evils" comes to mind here...

One the one hand you have animal cruelty and gambling addiction and on the other hand you have extra Tax income for the government. How will the people feel, if a school was built on the tax income from lives that was ruined by gambling addiction and animal cruelty?

This will never happen in 1st world countries where people are more distanced from the cruelty that are connected to animal slaughter for their meat. They are too sensitized and pre-occupied with animal rights and tree hugging ..than in 3rd world countries.

I speak from experience... because I live in a 1st world country and I work on contract in 3rd world countries. 

Exactly.

Exactly. People living on 1st world countries are highly disconnected to the plight of those living in 3rd world countries. They might not even know how does one family survive in just a small sum of money for the whole day. Cockfighting brings about jobs and income to the poor, but at the same time it takes away from them. Even if it brings in some money to the poor, there is no doubt that a lot of poor people are being addicted to it. It helps the government on taxes, but the ones betting on these poor animals are those directly affected by it ultimately.

[acroman08]

For me the good new is :
1. They have banned cock fighting which is honestly nothing but animal abuse

just to clear things up. the philippine government is not banning cockfighting but only the operation of e-sabong(which is still a good thing). cock fighting will most likely still be allowed after they banned the operation of e-sabong.

Cock fighting is honestly a super agressive sports which can really put stress on not just the animal but people who are seeing it live as well.

it is an aggressive and usually a fight to the death sport, the majority(maybe all) of the defeated rooster usually dies during the fight or after the fight.

[Boristhecat]

Cockfighting and other forms of gambling have been in existing in the Philippines but this is the only time that it made an impact to the society, this is because in the past there is a time limit in cockfighting and you had to go to the venue and so are other forms of gambling like horse racing but here in e-sabong it is made available to you 24/7, you can bet anytime and a compulsive gambler cannot stop himself on something that is there 24/7.

But in the end it turns out that this entertainment is completely forbidden for everyone - both for those who can control themselves and for those who cannot. Can this be considered acceptable? I think no. If the state begins to consider citizens as morons who themselves cannot make decisions, then after a while this can lead to a dictatorship.