PH banned online cockfighting - Worst gambling-related cases recorded!

[bisdak40]

3 billions  pesos every month? Thats over $150 million USD.

Thats not too bad, no wonder they government was usually so lax on such a senseless sport. Morality does tend to oxidize away into nothing when your country desperately needs money. Except usually the leaders end up putting the money in their own pockets while the people get even poorer. I think thats a good reason why people should not support E-Sabong. Or better all Sabong. Its morally degrading.

Yup, E-sabong operators earned 3 billion pesos while the government only earned 40 million pesos as tax for their operations, that was way too small but for the government, it is better than receiving nothing at all. The main reason for the ban of online sabong is due to degrading morality as some people lose control on betting as betting online is such an easy thing to do and you can do it everywhere at any time so some people's financial status was affected.

I have said it in my previous post that this online sabong has not stopped totally and now they are operating illegally though the income is not like before but still they earned a massive amount while government receives nothing.

[ultrloa]

The owner of E-sabong give a statement that they earn 3 billions  pesos every month for its operation https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1563433/atong-angs-e-sabong-firm-earns-p3-b-gross-income-per-month-senators-learn

But even though that revenue will be a big help, the government still chose to ban the entire E-Sabong operation because of its effects. There are these missing workers who were believed to be dead already and most of all, it's obvious that the most affected are the poor ones because they are the majority bettors.

The contributing factor on why this E-sabong stop is the incident about missing sabongero and its good that government listen to the advices of people to stop this because this already cost bad to much from people. Even by now those sabongero didn't been traced yet and I believe those guys are dead since there's still no news about them so maybe the one who held them shut them off because this is big anomaly if they let those sabongero get away.

[aioc]

I have said it in my previous post that this online sabong has not stopped totally and now they are operating illegally though the income is not like before but still they earned a massive amount while government receives nothing.

They used to make millions so why would stop them from operating if there's demand in the market, they will have to learn guerilla marketing to sustain their underground operation and according to the authorities

“We have to understand that this is internet-based, and we cannot just [easily] find the owners [of the websites]. We really have to coordinate with the service providers to find out and establish the identity of those behind the illegal e-sabong operations,” Fajardo explained.

Read more: https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1599465/some-e-sabong-operators-still-dodging-duterte-ban#ixzz7V63Fip00

I doubt if these people are using their true names to run the operation online, and also doubt if these providers will provide names without a court order, the best that they can do is to request them to take down, but I expect more underground e-sabong to operate, its Pandora's box that just been opened.

[Lanatsa]

The owner of E-sabong give a statement that they earn 3 billions  pesos every month for its operation https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1563433/atong-angs-e-sabong-firm-earns-p3-b-gross-income-per-month-senators-learn

But even though that revenue will be a big help, the government still chose to ban the entire E-Sabong operation because of its effects. There are these missing workers who were believed to be dead already and most of all, it's obvious that the most affected are the poor ones because they are the majority bettors.

The contributing factor on why this E-sabong stop is the incident about missing sabongero and its good that government listen to the advices of people to stop this because this already cost bad to much from people. Even by now those sabongero didn't been traced yet and I believe those guys are dead since there's still no news about them so maybe the one who held them shut them off because this is big anomaly if they let those sabongero get away.

Usually people who are lost does really get involved with some unpaid or unsettled business in between or both parties which might result into those kind of abduction or simply in related with these things thats why

government couldnt really just ignore it out and its just right on having that initiative on making such action due to these conditions which i could say that it wasnt really a bad decision that had been made.

Speaking of sabong business or addiction then it would be always tied into it and we know its cons and pros but it is just right for government to take action.

[goinmerry]

They only shut it down because the reports of people missing have been greatly publicized, but I believe if those reports didn't surface and weren't that sensationalized, the e-Sabong operations would continue as it is and the government will still rake in a lot of money monthly from the said legal operations.

It's impossible that those reports won't be surfaced since the cases are growing bigger. It will be publicized no matter what.

E-sabong is not really illegal as of now but just suspended that's why every current operation is considered illegal.

Waiting for the noticed of the new government if they will really take down e-sabong for good.

They used to make millions so why would stop them from operating if there's demand in the market, they will have to learn guerilla marketing to sustain their underground operation and according to the authorities

I doubt the current demand. There are a few still operating behind the shadow but I'm sure the demand is not that high. Maybe only those who are really addicted to E-sabong will still continue to bet here.

Different during the legal days of the operation where even not a gambler is playing E-sabong.

[blockman]

Maybe I missed something but how are cockfights related to kidnappings?

Let's have this explanation.
Inside the actual cockpit, the person who owns the cock will intentionally place their rooster, an ill one so that they'll get a sure loss as it fights with the opponent rooster.
Then, he and his friends and everyone in their circle will bet on their opponent's cock so that's an assurance that they'll get to win because they know the other rooster is ill, weak, and sick. Now, this is a big loss for the operators and it's cheating on their end, so what these operators do is that they're hiring some people to kidnap them and judge them by hand and most of those kidnap victims were never found, they kidnap the cheaters.

Yes, this is the closest speculation for the kidnapping incident of the E-Sabong agents, I will use the word speculation for now as there are no evidence found that points out that it is the right scenario but I certainly believe that was the case because how would the matter resulted into an abduction if it was for another reason? Certainly it is not because of the reason that these certain missing persons are just unlucky that is why they had been abducted when in fact the operators could just replace them if they can't bring any luck.

There were some witness that they're also about to be abducted but luckily was able to escape from that kidnapping. We can rely on that explanation that it's for real but yes, it's better to use the term speculate. But this has been said by the investigation of the policemen that's assigned for this task to know who's behind of it but until now, they don't know who's the mastermind of it or let's say they know but it's a big fish and they don't want to get involved and just do the typical job of investigating.

[Theones]

Yes, that was one of the reasons and that was stated on the news. Other reasons are already mentioned by the OP.

Poor families are not mostly that got heavily affected but people on the mid-range standards. Those poor are already poor and can't sustain e-sabong betting compare to the middle class which has a fixed source of income.

Those missing people up to now mostly came from well-off families. No progress about their status until now.

Maybe I missed something but how are cockfights related to kidnappings? This is probably a purely criminal problem, and even if it is related to gambling and betting on cockfights, legal cockfights and legal gambling business have nothing to do with crime. The authorities should destroy crime, and not its "light" consequences in the form of illegal gambling (in fact, this is a crime without victims).

Who is kidnapped? the gambler or the cock? Stealing the fighter cock is common but if you talking about the kidnapping of the person than this is very unusal.
There seems to be different rule for the poor while the law and rule for the rich is the same.

[Natalim]

Yes, that was one of the reasons and that was stated on the news. Other reasons are already mentioned by the OP.

Poor families are not mostly that got heavily affected but people on the mid-range standards. Those poor are already poor and can't sustain e-sabong betting compare to the middle class which has a fixed source of income.

Those missing people up to now mostly came from well-off families. No progress about their status until now.

Maybe I missed something but how are cockfights related to kidnappings? This is probably a purely criminal problem, and even if it is related to gambling and betting on cockfights, legal cockfights and legal gambling business have nothing to do with crime. The authorities should destroy crime, and not its "light" consequences in the form of illegal gambling (in fact, this is a crime without victims).

Who is kidnapped? the gambler or the cock? Stealing the fighter cock is common but if you talking about the kidnapping of the person than this is very unusal.
There seems to be different rule for the poor while the law and rule for the rich is the same.

You might wanna read this news so you will have an idea about the kidnapping that we are also talking in this thread.

charged over missing 34 e-sabong enthusiasts

This was actually reached to the Senate for investigation.
read here :
https://businessmirror.com.ph/2022/06/02/senate-adopts-committee-report-on-e-sabong-probe/

[Fredomago]

There were some witness that they're also about to be abducted but luckily was able to escape from that kidnapping. We can rely on that explanation that it's for real but yes, it's better to use the term speculate. But this has been said by the investigation of the policemen that's assigned for this task to know who's behind of it but until now, they don't know who's the mastermind of it or let's say they know but it's a big fish and they don't want to get involved and just do the typical job of investigating.

Better to be safe as we those who are investigating knows how deep the circle of those PNP officials behind, they don't want to burn everything and ended up proving nothing, just like how the drug syndicate as per the President itself, high rankings generals are part of the syndicate and those low level are afraid or not willing to dive deeper knowing the consequences,

It's really hard to prove if the working bodies are unsure, even the live witnesses and all the evidences are already being submitted.

Just wait and see if the new government will continue to proceed finding and convicting all the proven people behind this kidnapping.

[Kasabus]

There were some witness that they're also about to be abducted but luckily was able to escape from that kidnapping. We can rely on that explanation that it's for real but yes, it's better to use the term speculate. But this has been said by the investigation of the policemen that's assigned for this task to know who's behind of it but until now, they don't know who's the mastermind of it or let's say they know but it's a big fish and they don't want to get involved and just do the typical job of investigating.

Better to be safe as we those who are investigating knows how deep the circle of those PNP officials behind, they don't want to burn everything and ended up proving nothing, just like how the drug syndicate as per the President itself, high rankings generals are part of the syndicate and those low level are afraid or not willing to dive deeper knowing the consequences,

It's really hard to prove if the working bodies are unsure, even the live witnesses and all the evidences are already being submitted.

Just wait and see if the new government will continue to proceed finding and convicting all the proven people behind this kidnapping.

Knowing the justice system in the Philippines, it will probably take a lot of time before this case will be solved, or worse this case will not be solved due to a lack of evidence especially the witness of the crime. That's the kind of justice we have in the Philippines, so the government just decided to ban E-Sabong so it will not happen again.

[aioc]

There were some witness that they're also about to be abducted but luckily was able to escape from that kidnapping. We can rely on that explanation that it's for real but yes, it's better to use the term speculate. But this has been said by the investigation of the policemen that's assigned for this task to know who's behind of it but until now, they don't know who's the mastermind of it or let's say they know but it's a big fish and they don't want to get involved and just do the typical job of investigating.

Better to be safe as we those who are investigating knows how deep the circle of those PNP officials behind, they don't want to burn everything and ended up proving nothing, just like how the drug syndicate as per the President itself, high rankings generals are part of the syndicate and those low level are afraid or not willing to dive deeper knowing the consequences,

It's really hard to prove if the working bodies are unsure, even the live witnesses and all the evidences are already being submitted.

Just wait and see if the new government will continue to proceed finding and convicting all the proven people behind this kidnapping.

Knowing the justice system in the Philippines, it will probably take a lot of time before this case will be solved, or worse this case will not be solved due to a lack of evidence especially the witness of the crime. That's the kind of justice we have in the Philippines, so the government just decided to ban E-Sabong so it will not happen again.

The worst-case scenario is with the new administration these killings will be forgotten and they will relaunch the e-sabong with a lot of restrictions and regulations, it is a money game, you can't kill a goose that lays a golden egg and with the new administration needing a new source of funds, e-sabong will always come out as a good source 30 million monthly and employing thousands of people it's a big temptation to let it operate again.

[virasisog]

There were some witness that they're also about to be abducted but luckily was able to escape from that kidnapping. We can rely on that explanation that it's for real but yes, it's better to use the term speculate. But this has been said by the investigation of the policemen that's assigned for this task to know who's behind of it but until now, they don't know who's the mastermind of it or let's say they know but it's a big fish and they don't want to get involved and just do the typical job of investigating.

Better to be safe as we those who are investigating knows how deep the circle of those PNP officials behind, they don't want to burn everything and ended up proving nothing, just like how the drug syndicate as per the President itself, high rankings generals are part of the syndicate and those low level are afraid or not willing to dive deeper knowing the consequences,

It's really hard to prove if the working bodies are unsure, even the live witnesses and all the evidences are already being submitted.

Just wait and see if the new government will continue to proceed finding and convicting all the proven people behind this kidnapping.

Knowing the justice system in the Philippines, it will probably take a lot of time before this case will be solved, or worse this case will not be solved due to a lack of evidence especially the witness of the crime. That's the kind of justice we have in the Philippines, so the government just decided to ban E-Sabong so it will not happen again.

Witnesses are actually afraid and were even silenced because the people behind this huge kidnapping case are a powerful syndicate and they can even manipulate the government through their money. It's a good thing that they have banned it because it could continuously cause more massive crimes. I really hope that justice could still be served to the victims and yes, it could really take time but I guess big personalities behind it would use their money to save themselves from this case.

[Saisher]

There were some witness that they're also about to be abducted but luckily was able to escape from that kidnapping. We can rely on that explanation that it's for real but yes, it's better to use the term speculate. But this has been said by the investigation of the policemen that's assigned for this task to know who's behind of it but until now, they don't know who's the mastermind of it or let's say they know but it's a big fish and they don't want to get involved and just do the typical job of investigating.

Better to be safe as we those who are investigating knows how deep the circle of those PNP officials behind, they don't want to burn everything and ended up proving nothing, just like how the drug syndicate as per the President itself, high rankings generals are part of the syndicate and those low level are afraid or not willing to dive deeper knowing the consequences,

It's really hard to prove if the working bodies are unsure, even the live witnesses and all the evidences are already being submitted.

Just wait and see if the new government will continue to proceed finding and convicting all the proven people behind this kidnapping.

Knowing the justice system in the Philippines, it will probably take a lot of time before this case will be solved, or worse this case will not be solved due to a lack of evidence especially the witness of the crime. That's the kind of justice we have in the Philippines, so the government just decided to ban E-Sabong so it will not happen again.

Witnesses are actually afraid and were even silenced because the people behind this huge kidnapping case are a powerful syndicate and they can even manipulate the government through their money. It's a good thing that they have banned it because it could continuously cause more massive crimes. I really hope that justice could still be served to the victims and yes, it could really take time but I guess big personalities behind it would use their money to save themselves from this case.

We should first look at how the new President's view of criminality and how he handles it, if he has the character of the old president, then there's a possibility that he will look at it, right now he is building his cabinet officials it will take more months before we'll know his takes on how he will fight criminality in gambling he offered the position of Drug Czar to the former president but he declines, but I like to believe that e-sabong will surface again online if there's a big need for a new flow of money.

[Boristhecat]

Maybe I missed something but how are cockfights related to kidnappings?

Let's have this explanation.
Inside the actual cockpit, the person who owns the cock will intentionally place their rooster, an ill one so that they'll get a sure loss as it fights with the opponent rooster.
Then, he and his friends and everyone in their circle will bet on their opponent's cock so that's an assurance that they'll get to win because they know the other rooster is ill, weak, and sick. Now, this is a big loss for the operators and it's cheating on their end, so what these operators do is that they're hiring some people to kidnap them and judge them by hand and most of those kidnap victims were never found, they kidnap the cheaters.

Thanks for the explanation. But this is exactly what I was talking about - if such things happen, then this speaks of much more serious problems in society than gambling at cockfights. If there are some people who put themselves above the law, then they will violate it no matter what area the business is in - cockfighting, some other entertainment or construction. I think the Filipinos should put pressure on their government and the police to deal with these criminal problems. And only after these obvious problems are solved can you do such nonsense as cockfights.

[stadus]

Maybe I missed something but how are cockfights related to kidnappings?

Let's have this explanation.
Inside the actual cockpit, the person who owns the cock will intentionally place their rooster, an ill one so that they'll get a sure loss as it fights with the opponent rooster.
Then, he and his friends and everyone in their circle will bet on their opponent's cock so that's an assurance that they'll get to win because they know the other rooster is ill, weak, and sick. Now, this is a big loss for the operators and it's cheating on their end, so what these operators do is that they're hiring some people to kidnap them and judge them by hand and most of those kidnap victims were never found, they kidnap the cheaters.

Yes, this is the closest speculation for the kidnapping incident of the E-Sabong agents, I will use the word speculation for now as there are no evidence found that points out that it is the right scenario but I certainly believe that was the case because how would the matter resulted into an abduction if it was for another reason? Certainly it is not because of the reason that these certain missing persons are just unlucky that is why they had been abducted when in fact the operators could just replace them if they can't bring any luck.

There were some witness that they're also about to be abducted but luckily was able to escape from that kidnapping. We can rely on that explanation that it's for real but yes, it's better to use the term speculate. But this has been said by the investigation of the policemen that's assigned for this task to know who's behind of it but until now, they don't know who's the mastermind of it or let's say they know but it's a big fish and they don't want to get involved and just do the typical job of investigating.

That's the hard part right there, the same task force who was ordered to investigate the abduction of agents were just afraid to lose their life or job incase they will find a hard evidence to point out who's the mastermind. I bet they already know who it is, it's just that they don't have any evidence yet and that's already good for them because in that way, they're safe as they are not hitting any big walls.

[blockman]

There were some witness that they're also about to be abducted but luckily was able to escape from that kidnapping. We can rely on that explanation that it's for real but yes, it's better to use the term speculate. But this has been said by the investigation of the policemen that's assigned for this task to know who's behind of it but until now, they don't know who's the mastermind of it or let's say they know but it's a big fish and they don't want to get involved and just do the typical job of investigating.

That's the hard part right there, the same task force who was ordered to investigate the abduction of agents were just afraid to lose their life or job incase they will find a hard evidence to point out who's the mastermind. I bet they already know who it is, it's just that they don't have any evidence yet and that's already good for them because in that way, they're safe as they are not hitting any big walls.

Yeah, that's also my guess. They already have the lead but they have to keep their mouth shut as it's not just some stranger or random guy that cannot retaliate to them but it's a big fish, a big personality that can do anything to those that will hinder their way.

Let's have this explanation.
Inside the actual cockpit, the person who owns the cock will intentionally place their rooster, an ill one so that they'll get a sure loss as it fights with the opponent rooster.
Then, he and his friends and everyone in their circle will bet on their opponent's cock so that's an assurance that they'll get to win because they know the other rooster is ill, weak, and sick. Now, this is a big loss for the operators and it's cheating on their end, so what these operators do is that they're hiring some people to kidnap them and judge them by hand and most of those kidnap victims were never found, they kidnap the cheaters.

Thanks for the explanation. But this is exactly what I was talking about - if such things happen, then this speaks of much more serious problems in society than gambling at cockfights. If there are some people who put themselves above the law, then they will violate it no matter what area the business is in - cockfighting, some other entertainment or construction. I think the Filipinos should put pressure on their government and the police to deal with these criminal problems. And only after these obvious problems are solved can you do such nonsense as cockfights.

It's not as easy as we can say, mate. These big fish really had the power due to money, that's the sad reality and this isn't just happening in our country but also in other countries where they can feed those authorities with a bunch of money that they can. But this time, even if they don't feed money to the authorities, they're putting power into their own hands and get away with it later even a case will be filed against them because they have all the means to get away with it due to money and bail.

Better to be safe as we those who are investigating knows how deep the circle of those PNP officials behind, they don't want to burn everything and ended up proving nothing, just like how the drug syndicate as per the President itself, high rankings generals are part of the syndicate and those low level are afraid or not willing to dive deeper knowing the consequences,

It's really hard to prove if the working bodies are unsure, even the live witnesses and all the evidences are already being submitted.

Just wait and see if the new government will continue to proceed finding and convicting all the proven people behind this kidnapping.

What I'm thinking is that this case will just be buried and no news anymore. It's like going to be a case that will be forgotten forever as the victims are no longer there and assumed will never go back.

[Boristhecat]

Thanks for the explanation. But this is exactly what I was talking about - if such things happen, then this speaks of much more serious problems in society than gambling at cockfights. If there are some people who put themselves above the law, then they will violate it no matter what area the business is in - cockfighting, some other entertainment or construction. I think the Filipinos should put pressure on their government and the police to deal with these criminal problems. And only after these obvious problems are solved can you do such nonsense as cockfights.

It's not as easy as we can say, mate. These big fish really had the power due to money, that's the sad reality and this isn't just happening in our country but also in other countries where they can feed those authorities with a bunch of money that they can. But this time, even if they don't feed money to the authorities, they're putting power into their own hands and get away with it later even a case will be filed against them because they have all the means to get away with it due to money and bail.

I understand what you are talking about because I live in Russia, where everything is also decided by money and corrupt ties, and criminals feel as comfortable as possible here. And yes, in fact, we cannot do anything against this "big gang" that has seized the state, but I (and many of the citizens) at least understand the essence of the problem and do not pay attention to trifles like some kind of illegal businesses (even if it's something then a hardcore like drugs or the like).

[goinmerry]

I think the Filipinos should put pressure on their government and the police to deal with these criminal problems. And only after these obvious problems are solved can you do such nonsense as cockfights.

There's no "it should" because it's already happening. Unfortunately, there will always be a case that someone or some group won't cooperate with the government. No matter how hard the pressure is, if the problem is on the core, that's a hard task for the government.

The main solution here for this menace to stop is for the people themselves to stop supporting illegal gambling operations. These corrupt officials won't be getting any benefits if there are no massive players that will use their illegal operations.

[Maslate]

I think the Filipinos should put pressure on their government and the police to deal with these criminal problems. And only after these obvious problems are solved can you do such nonsense as cockfights.

There's no "it should" because it's already happening. Unfortunately, there will always be a case that someone or some group won't cooperate with the government. No matter how hard the pressure is, if the problem is on the core, that's a hard task for the government.

The main solution here for this menace to stop is for the people themselves to stop supporting illegal gambling operations. These corrupt officials won't be getting any benefits if there are no massive players that will use their illegal operations.

People will not stop supporting this because they got used to gambling when E-Sabong was legalized, and it's already part of our culture that some of us love Sabong. If it's easy for operators to operate an illegal online sabong, then they would not stop doing it, unless those who participated will also face the consequences but it's not the case because the liability only goes to the operators.

[Smartprofit]

I think the Filipinos should put pressure on their government and the police to deal with these criminal problems. And only after these obvious problems are solved can you do such nonsense as cockfights.

There's no "it should" because it's already happening. Unfortunately, there will always be a case that someone or some group won't cooperate with the government. No matter how hard the pressure is, if the problem is on the core, that's a hard task for the government.

The main solution here for this menace to stop is for the people themselves to stop supporting illegal gambling operations. These corrupt officials won't be getting any benefits if there are no massive players that will use their illegal operations.

People will not stop supporting this because they got used to gambling when E-Sabong was legalized, and it's already part of our culture that some of us love Sabong. If it's easy for operators to operate an illegal online sabong, then they would not stop doing it, unless those who participated will also face the consequences but it's not the case because the liability only goes to the operators.

The people are always right.  This is an axiom.  You can't go against the will of the people.... 

If the people of the Philippines love to play E-Sabong, then the government of the country should not impose bans. 

The maximum that the state can do is to try to minimize the harm from this type of activity.  Gambling is probably part of the national culture of the Philippines. 

Direct bans, as a rule, do not lead to a solution to problems.  In my opinion, a more flexible approach to this issue is needed.