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July 16, 2022, 07:22:15 PM
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GGG might be old and weary but the man still has a steel-like chin and Canelo knows that he will still have some struggles in defeating GGG just like in their previous fights.

But if Canelo would still win in the judges' eyes, then it will remain a controversial fight as it might again end up a close fight. Both are capable of knocking each other but both have a strong body and steel chin, so a KO is unlikely to be witnessed in this fight.

And it will remain as a controversial fight just like the other fights that has happened in the history of boxing, if no one to stand up about these bias with evidence then I don't doubt that it will remain as a pure speculation even if it is already clear in our eyes that the judges are trying to drag the scores in-favor of Canelo.

A KO is unlikely but there's still a chance as an upset is also possible, we don't know about that yet. Let's just hope that there would be some fair judgement on their trilogy because Canelo has been in the hot seat for a while on his controversial fights.

 
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July 17, 2022, 06:54:12 AM
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GGG might be old and weary but the man still has a steel-like chin and Canelo knows that he will still have some struggles in defeating GGG just like in their previous fights.

But if Canelo would still win in the judges' eyes, then it will remain a controversial fight as it might again end up a close fight. Both are capable of knocking each other but both have a strong body and steel chin, so a KO is unlikely to be witnessed in this fight.

And it will remain as a controversial fight just like the other fights that has happened in the history of boxing, if no one to stand up about these bias with evidence then I don't doubt that it will remain as a pure speculation even if it is already clear in our eyes that the judges are trying to drag the scores in-favor of Canelo.

A KO is unlikely but there's still a chance as an upset is also possible, we don't know about that yet. Let's just hope that there would be some fair judgement on their trilogy because Canelo has been in the hot seat for a while on his controversial fights.
What happens is that even if we know that some fighters are given some help when the judges are scoring a fight, as everything depends on their perception and how the judges saw the fight, there are fights in which this is excessive.

This is what happened in both of the fights between Canelo and GGG, with the second fight being completely stolen from GGG, and it was not only the fans that were mad as at the time I remember that many experts were also unhappy about the result as it was obvious GGG had won that fight.
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July 17, 2022, 08:18:44 AM
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This is what happened in both of the fights between Canelo and GGG, with the second fight being completely stolen from GGG, and it was not only the fans that were mad as at the time I remember that many experts were also unhappy about the result as it was obvious GGG had won that fight.
I don't have any idea why you're think the second fight result is completely stolen rather than the first one. Actually the first fight is completely stolen and GGG should won via unanimous or majority decision, while the second fight it's either draw or Canelo won via split decision. I don't think it's time consuming to watch the two fights, you might only  need to spent two hours and half.

Although it will remain a controversial fight I doubt they will fight again, it's already a trilogy and could be the final fight between the two if GGG will not be able to pull up a win here. I like GGG but Canelo is just better than him, maybe because Canelo is younger and GGG is on the retirement age already. Anyway, regardless of who wins the fight, one thing is sure and that is this fight is surely fun to watch.
Maybe on an exhibition fight when one or both of them are retire, I think many people keep want both of them fight despite GGG will loss again... probably GGG would win in the exhibition fight lol.

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July 17, 2022, 10:57:37 AM
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This is what happened in both of the fights between Canelo and GGG, with the second fight being completely stolen from GGG, and it was not only the fans that were mad as at the time I remember that many experts were also unhappy about the result as it was obvious GGG had won that fight.

There are many rumors about that fight and it's much better if they ended the fight with another draw, right?

but it's been rewarded by Canelo and GGG got robbed of that decision. Now another fight is upcoming, and it's another
chance for both fighters to prove something from this personal rivalry.

fans are excited to see how this fight will be decided, either another decision or a KO, something that is still unsure
knowing how tough these two fighters were.
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July 17, 2022, 11:51:22 AM
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This is what happened in both of the fights between Canelo and GGG, with the second fight being completely stolen from GGG, and it was not only the fans that were mad as at the time I remember that many experts were also unhappy about the result as it was obvious GGG had won that fight.

There are many rumors about that fight and it's much better if they ended the fight with another draw, right?

but it's been rewarded by Canelo and GGG got robbed of that decision. Now another fight is upcoming, and it's another
chance for both fighters to prove something from this personal rivalry.

fans are excited to see how this fight will be decided, either another decision or a KO, something that is still unsure
knowing how tough these two fighters were.

Fans would want to see the fight ending in a KO rather than the decision so once and for all controversy will be over. Both GGG and Canelo are great fighters and they have their own fan-based, so we cannot really prevent from people thinking that the decision was not fair because as a fan we are sometimes biased.

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July 17, 2022, 11:50:43 PM
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Fans would want to see the fight ending in a KO rather than the decision so once and for all controversy will be over. Both GGG and Canelo are great fighters and they have their own fan-based, so we cannot really prevent from people thinking that the decision was not fair because as a fan we are sometimes biased.

Yes a KO decisive match would be great at this match.

But for me, regardless of the winning method, the end result should be entertaining as long as the result is fair.

I'm fine with the decision result as long as all throughout the match, we will see lots of exchange blows between them.

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July 17, 2022, 11:54:53 PM
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Fans would want to see the fight ending in a KO rather than the decision so once and for all controversy will be over. Both GGG and Canelo are great fighters and they have their own fan-based, so we cannot really prevent from people thinking that the decision was not fair because as a fan we are sometimes biased.

I think a KO match won't happen as both will try to avoid it. During their first two fights, both shown that they don't want to be KO and just try to remain stronger on their feet. But even the KO result will not happend, I think they will give us a good fight as they know what fans want to see them once they face each other on the ring.
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July 18, 2022, 04:50:35 AM
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Fans would want to see the fight ending in a KO rather than the decision so once and for all controversy will be over. Both GGG and Canelo are great fighters and they have their own fan-based, so we cannot really prevent from people thinking that the decision was not fair because as a fan we are sometimes biased.

I think a KO match won't happen as both will try to avoid it. During their first two fights, both shown that they don't want to be KO and just try to remain stronger on their feet. But even the KO result will not happend, I think they will give us a good fight as they know what fans want to see them once they face each other on the ring.

It's not that they are going to avoid it, if the KO present itself, boxers can't stop it specially if they are caught napping. But both have a granite chin, so whoever touches it, even a natural 175 lbs like Bivol didn't put a dent on Canelo's chin. Same with GGG, he has.a solid chin as well and throughout his career, he was never knock down.

So it's hard to see to see the fight ending that way. It will still be up to the judges again for sure. However, as we discussed pages ago, judges might be biased for Canelo as proven in their last 2 fight.


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July 18, 2022, 06:22:47 AM
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Fans would want to see the fight ending in a KO rather than the decision so once and for all controversy will be over. Both GGG and Canelo are great fighters and they have their own fan-based, so we cannot really prevent from people thinking that the decision was not fair because as a fan we are sometimes biased.

I think a KO match won't happen as both will try to avoid it. During their first two fights, both shown that they don't want to be KO and just try to remain stronger on their feet. But even the KO result will not happend, I think they will give us a good fight as they know what fans want to see them once they face each other on the ring.

I also have the feeling that they will be very careful inside the ring.
So we may even see the Mayweather-style here, if they won't engage inside the ring.
Both would want to prove that they are the best on this division, so let's see what's gonna be watching here.
Canelo for sure wants to win this fight after his recent loss, whereas, GGG may want to win as well before he hangs up his gloves.
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July 18, 2022, 04:55:39 PM
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Fans would want to see the fight ending in a KO rather than the decision so once and for all controversy will be over. Both GGG and Canelo are great fighters and they have their own fan-based, so we cannot really prevent from people thinking that the decision was not fair because as a fan we are sometimes biased.

Yes a KO decisive match would be great at this match.

But for me, regardless of the winning method, the end result should be entertaining as long as the result is fair.

I'm fine with the decision result as long as all throughout the match, we will see lots of exchange blows between them.

A KO will be indeed great to see in their upcoming trilogy but we know that GGG despite of his situation now, he is still not that easy to pin down as well as Canelo who is currently on his prime but I'm quite sure that we will see lots and lots of heavy exchange of punches. And if ever the fight ends in decision, well I just hope that the judges will not give some favors to their favorite boxer because that will just become another issue and fans won't be happy about that.
This better be a fair and just fight so that both fighters will both earn respect at the end of the fight.

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July 18, 2022, 10:16:00 PM
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Fans would want to see the fight ending in a KO rather than the decision so once and for all controversy will be over. Both GGG and Canelo are great fighters and they have their own fan-based, so we cannot really prevent from people thinking that the decision was not fair because as a fan we are sometimes biased.

Yes a KO decisive match would be great at this match.

True, I wanted to end this fight in a knock-out as well.

But for me, regardless of the winning method, the end result should be entertaining as long as the result is fair.

I'm fine with the decision result as long as all throughout the match, we will see lots of exchange blows between them.

However, since both of this boxers seems to be not giving any advantage against each other, there could be no knock out. But for sure this will be an entertaining fight, after all this is a trilogy already. We've seen the last two and indeed the fans enjoyed it although there is controversies. So this could be again going to the score card of the judges.

 
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July 18, 2022, 11:01:41 PM
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Fans would want to see the fight ending in a KO rather than the decision so once and for all controversy will be over. Both GGG and Canelo are great fighters and they have their own fan-based, so we cannot really prevent from people thinking that the decision was not fair because as a fan we are sometimes biased.

Yes a KO decisive match would be great at this match.

True, I wanted to end this fight in a knock-out as well.

But for me, regardless of the winning method, the end result should be entertaining as long as the result is fair.

I'm fine with the decision result as long as all throughout the match, we will see lots of exchange blows between them.

However, since both of this boxers seems to be not giving any advantage against each other, there could be no knock out. But for sure this will be an entertaining fight, after all this is a trilogy already. We've seen the last two and indeed the fans enjoyed it although there is controversies. So this could be again going to the score card of the judges.

based from the poll here, many are rooting for GGG to win this fight. and for the odds, it is very tempting to bet on GGG as it is about 4.2x as compared to Canelo, which is only 1.22x, stake odds here.



this may be the last hurrah for GGG, so people are on his side this time. this will be a very interesting fight indeed! wonder what will be the next move if GGG will win on this one. will Canelo ask for another fight?

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July 18, 2022, 11:28:46 PM
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this may be the last hurrah for GGG, so people are on his side this time. this will be a very interesting fight indeed! wonder what will be the next move if GGG will win on this one. will Canelo ask for another fight?

I'm not sure for other people but for me, yes. Just being biased for GGG since might be the last time we will see him in the ring in case he will lose this fight even in an unfair decision. Canelo on the other hand still has lots of time to enjoy his prime even though he will lose this match.

For let's say GGG will win here, obviously he will still have more fights as if he is able to defeat the prime Canelo then it means he can still dominate even at that age. I don't see him retiring if he knows to himself that he still has it. Defeating Canelo in his prime within his comfort zone is very tough.

A 4th match is also possible regardless of the result. The same on what happened to the Pacquiao-Marquez saga (Draw-Pacman-Pacman-Marquez).

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July 18, 2022, 11:58:38 PM
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And it will remain as a controversial fight just like the other fights that has happened in the history of boxing, if no one to stand up about these bias with evidence then I don't doubt that it will remain as a pure speculation even if it is already clear in our eyes that the judges are trying to drag the scores in-favor of Canelo.

That's what the trilogy is serving the purpose, to erase all doubts and speculations about the previous fights.

We hope that no more controversies will be raised after we see the result of the fight. The result should be ended fair and square.

If the fight will really close, hard for judges to make the result fair, especially with the allegations that Canelo is favored by most judges.
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July 19, 2022, 07:35:09 AM
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However, since both of this boxers seems to be not giving any advantage against each other, there could be no knock out. But for sure this will be an entertaining fight, after all this is a trilogy already. We've seen the last two and indeed the fans enjoyed it although there is controversies. So this could be again going to the score card of the judges.

Chances are higher that the fight will be decided by the judges. If there is a KO, then in all probability it will be Canelo who becomes the winner. At this age, I don't think that Golovkin has the capability to knockout someone like Canelo. Also, Canelo hits peak energy level earlier on, while slowing down after 6th or 7th rounds. So if a KO occurs, it will be during the initial 6 rounds. But either way, chances are low. Despite his age, Golovkin still has good defenses. This fight is extremely difficult to predict. I have strong reasons to believe that we will be in for a surprise on 17th September.

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If the judges are to decide who is the winner, then obviously they would choose Canelo. Because they will hint GGG that his time has ended and it is time to retire. Because they dont see him having lots of fights in future. Because "Canelo has legacy to build" and giving him a second loss in a row can be bad for future ticket sales. To put an end in their confrontation, fight must end with a KO, because judges will decide not who has won the fight, but who might have a better future boxing career and be more interesting for boxing fans.

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Both fighters are good at absorbing those solid punches. They've been tested by many fights from their early careers, the two early fights
ends up with decisions, these two fighters are not willing to fall down, both have strong chin and they know how to use the advantage to
Continue facing their opponent even they've been hit many times. We can only conclude who's going to win after the announcer calls the
name of the winner.

Canelo owned the judges on those 2 fights. Just an assumption for me but it's clear GGG won 2 of their previous meeting. There will be no massive demand by most boxing fans to make the trilogy happen if there's no question about Canelo winning the second meeting.

GGG is just even silent because he knows what really happened.

I like GGG to give Canelo another to make his mouth shut. Just recently, Canelo trash talk GGG but the latter didn't respond. What bad behavior from Canelo.
If the truth is that I did not like what Canelo said, first of all, each boxer has to give respect so that they respect him, for me that is unsportsmanlike conduct, it is also not appropriate, there are times that the public also sees it children on their tv, and this is not pleasant for them to demonstrate these things, it is a bad example, on the other hand, the judges are something else, as I said before, if the judges in the past Olympics were cheeky with a verdict that was very biased, so what remains for this type of event where there is a lot of interest, bets of large amounts of money happens.

There are super athletes who can't really shut their mouth even if they losses, like Canelo, he said that he did enough to win in the Bivol fight. But we all witnessed that he was outgun by the young and taller opponent giving him his second lost in his career. And same here, Canelo is talking hard against GGG, of course they are rivals and this is their 3rd fight. But if GGG won, will Canelo not talk about this defeat and says that he should have won it? We will see, too much at stake in this fight.

It is that Canelo the mistake that he has is that, I know that each person has his temperament, his personality and his way of being, but in these times a boxer should be a little more humble and accept certain things, and not talk about more, because his mouth can be punishment for the body, and he can pay dearly for it, honestly if Canelo had beaten Bivol, the story would be different, because I know that there are many who speak and are really good and do not receive defeats, but at this point I think that his word no longer makes sense, I don't know if they talk like that, it's for the reason of the same show, but it's not good, however as you say, it would be the third meeting of both, it's interesting what can happen.

If the judges are to decide who is the winner, then obviously they would choose Canelo. Because they will hint GGG that his time has ended and it is time to retire. Because they dont see him having lots of fights in future. Because "Canelo has legacy to build" and giving him a second loss in a row can be bad for future ticket sales. To put an end in their confrontation, fight must end with a KO, because judges will decide not who has won the fight, but who might have a better future boxing career and be more interesting for boxing fans.

Sometimes I have thought about that scenario, but why do you think they will say that it is Canelo? Why not GGG, if GGG is a complete fighter, only he is a little older, I understand that in boxing the older they are the more experience and expertise, I think this is something that helps every boxer, also someday Canelo he can reach that age and I don't think he would like a treatment like that, I think that things have to be above the age and see the sporting level, who has done better at a technical level and not get carried away by things like age, age should not stop anyone, much less a boxer.

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July 19, 2022, 02:52:10 PM
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People have said here, that Canelo will be fighting "home", while GGG would be a visitor. Not sure if this really could be a reason to give victory to Canelo, but at least it will give 1% advantage for Canelo.
How many fights are left for GGG before he retire, if he wins, maybe one or two. But if Canelo wins, he could start his new winning streak and continue it for +5 years minimum. But if he looses again, would other big fighters wish that much to fight with him? From business point of view, those who have contracts with Canelo can earn more, compared to GGG.

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People have said here, that Canelo will be fighting "home", while GGG would be a visitor. Not sure if this really could be a reason to give victory to Canelo, but at least it will give 1% advantage for Canelo.
How many fights are left for GGG before he retire, if he wins, maybe one or two. But if Canelo wins, he could start his new winning streak and continue it for +5 years minimum. But if he looses again, would other big fighters wish that much to fight with him? From business point of view, those who have contracts with Canelo can earn more, compared to GGG.

The US is home to Golovkin, as much as it is for Canelo. But the factor that may give the latter a boost is tens of thousands of mostly Mexican fans cheering for him. Canelo is much more popular in the US (especially among the Hispanics) when compared to Golovkin. And regarding Golovkin's retirement, I agree. Although he maintains a very high level of fitness, it is difficult to see him fight for much longer. Maybe another 2 years and after that he will call his retirement. But a lot will depend on the results from 17th September.

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July 20, 2022, 05:18:13 AM
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People have said here, that Canelo will be fighting "home", while GGG would be a visitor. Not sure if this really could be a reason to give victory to Canelo, but at least it will give 1% advantage for Canelo.
How many fights are left for GGG before he retire, if he wins, maybe one or two. But if Canelo wins, he could start his new winning streak and continue it for +5 years minimum. But if he looses again, would other big fighters wish that much to fight with him? From business point of view, those who have contracts with Canelo can earn more, compared to GGG.

It's because Canelo has been campaigning in the US for so long now that he already adapted to it. You can just see him at interviews, in the beginning he doesn't speak English but now you can see that he has improved a lot plus there are a lot of Mexicans and Hispanics supporting their guys. Well it's good if you have a winning streak, but still base on the opposition, if you are a A-level fighters but fighting contenders and not elite fighters then of course you will have a good run. But with Bivol, Canelo really faces his weakness, a tall fighter that can move and take his power that's why he losses that streak of his.

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