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July 29, 2022, 03:50:44 AM
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@ 4.10 that's going to attract more gamblers and fans to bring out decent amount of money to bet for GGG, a lot of people still believe that even GGG is no longer on his prime,

That was good odds. GGG having @4.10 is something unusual even though he is up again the prime Canelo Alvarez. I hope for more increased odds while the fight is approaching. Still, a long way to go and there should be odds adjustment at both.

But in any case, taking @4.10 odds should be considered picking now.

Aside from that, others maybe will try to support GGG for the last time just in case he will retire if he loses to Canelo in this fight.

Golovkin has so far given no hint of retirement. He is training so hard, and despite his age he looks extremely fit (when compared to other athletes of this age). Even if he loses against Canelo, he may chose to continue for another 2-3 years IMO. At this point, I don't see any reason for him to retire. If somehow he manages an upset win against Canelo, then the question of retirement won't even arise. BTW, what was the age when Mayweather announced his retirement? If I am not wrong, he was 42 when he retired.

Yes, of course, GGG is still trying to achieve another success and a win here will be a big success for him, maybe he can consider retiring after that as he will have a sweet retirement coming from a big win. However, if money will be considered, then he will again give Canelo another fight and that would make the fans happy either.

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July 29, 2022, 04:12:25 AM
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Yes, of course, GGG is still trying to achieve another success and a win here will be a big success for him, maybe he can consider retiring after that as he will have a sweet retirement coming from a big win. However, if money will be considered, then he will again give Canelo another fight and that would make the fans happy either.

GGG vs Canelo 4?

I posted about this possibility a few weeks ago. But that will only happen in case Golovkin wins this time. If Canelo wins, then there is no chance for another fight, as he can claim that this time he won without any controversy. But even if he loses, I think that Golovkin will continue with his fights. He can easily go on for another 3-4 years before he retires. And from his interviews, I get an idea that he is still hungry for more. Unlike the case with Mayweather, who looked like he was fed up and bored with all the fights towards the end of his career.

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July 29, 2022, 04:16:54 AM
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Yes, of course, GGG is still trying to achieve another success and a win here will be a big success for him, maybe he can consider retiring after that as he will have a sweet retirement coming from a big win. However, if money will be considered, then he will again give Canelo another fight and that would make the fans happy either.

GGG vs Canelo 4?

I posted about this possibility a few weeks ago. But that will only happen in case Golovkin wins this time. If Canelo wins, then there is no chance for another fight, as he can claim that this time he won without any controversy. But even if he loses, I think that Golovkin will continue with his fights. He can easily go on for another 3-4 years before he retires.

Obviously, a loss of GGG here will mean that the rivalry is over and GGG will likely consider retiring as well because he is not getting any younger. However, let us not think of that for now, let's see the outcome of this fight and hopefully GGG will have more fights to come after this.

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July 29, 2022, 12:21:48 PM
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Yes, of course, GGG is still trying to achieve another success and a win here will be a big success for him, maybe he can consider retiring after that as he will have a sweet retirement coming from a big win. However, if money will be considered, then he will again give Canelo another fight and that would make the fans happy either.

GGG vs Canelo 4?

I posted about this possibility a few weeks ago. But that will only happen in case Golovkin wins this time. If Canelo wins, then there is no chance for another fight, as he can claim that this time he won without any controversy. But even if he loses, I think that Golovkin will continue with his fights. He can easily go on for another 3-4 years before he retires.

Obviously, a loss of GGG here will mean that the rivalry is over and GGG will likely consider retiring as well because he is not getting any younger. However, let us not think of that for now, let's see the outcome of this fight and hopefully GGG will have more fights to come after this.

The poll shows that users here mostly sides with GGG, not because they pity him but because GGG can still give a hard time and make Canelo struggle despite of his age now. I'm quite sure about that though because judging GGG's performance against Murata recently, he can still dance well and can still give tough punches.
A GGG-Canelo 4 is quite premature for now, let's see first if what this trilogy could bring to us.


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July 29, 2022, 12:36:22 PM
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Yes, of course, GGG is still trying to achieve another success and a win here will be a big success for him, maybe he can consider retiring after that as he will have a sweet retirement coming from a big win. However, if money will be considered, then he will again give Canelo another fight and that would make the fans happy either.

GGG vs Canelo 4?

I posted about this possibility a few weeks ago. But that will only happen in case Golovkin wins this time. If Canelo wins, then there is no chance for another fight, as he can claim that this time he won without any controversy. But even if he loses, I think that Golovkin will continue with his fights. He can easily go on for another 3-4 years before he retires. And from his interviews, I get an idea that he is still hungry for more. Unlike the case with Mayweather, who looked like he was fed up and bored with all the fights towards the end of his career.

At 160 lbs, I think Golovkin can still go if ever he loses this fight against Canelo. And there could be scenario that if he wins in 168 lbs (as this is the weight that they are going to fight), Golovkin can either stay or go back down to his favorite weight. So we shall see, if we are correct in our votes and Golovkin win, then maybe a 4th fight might be in the offing.

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July 29, 2022, 04:35:09 PM
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@ 4.10 that's going to attract more gamblers and fans to bring out decent amount of money to bet for GGG, a lot of people still believe that even GGG is no longer on his prime,

That was good odds. GGG having @4.10 is something unusual even though he is up again the prime Canelo Alvarez. I hope for more increased odds while the fight is approaching. Still, a long way to go and there should be odds adjustment at both.

But in any case, taking @4.10 odds should be considered picking now.

Aside from that, others maybe will try to support GGG for the last time just in case he will retire if he loses to Canelo in this fight.

Golovkin has so far given no hint of retirement. He is training so hard, and despite his age he looks extremely fit (when compared to other athletes of this age). Even if he loses against Canelo, he may chose to continue for another 2-3 years IMO. At this point, I don't see any reason for him to retire. If somehow he manages an upset win against Canelo, then the question of retirement won't even arise. BTW, what was the age when Mayweather announced his retirement? If I am not wrong, he was 42 when he retired.
There's no right or wrong about that speculation because yes Golovkin hasn't given us even a bit of hint on when would he plan to retire or if this would be his last fight. And I agree that if Golovkin will defeat Canelo this time, his retirement plan will be postponed and that's obvious, but my speculation is that if he'll be defeated in this trilogy then I think that this will be his last fight.

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Mayweather was 40 at the time of his retirement, he announced it after he fought McGregor in the ring which gave him a record of 50-0.

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July 30, 2022, 06:50:35 AM
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The poll shows that users here mostly sides with GGG, not because they pity him but because GGG can still give a hard time and make Canelo struggle despite of his age now. I'm quite sure about that though because judging GGG's performance against Murata recently, he can still dance well and can still give tough punches.
A GGG-Canelo 4 is quite premature for now, let's see first if what this trilogy could bring to us.
Premature as they are still going to take each other this coming sept 17 and we are not sure if Alvarez is willing to risk losing two back-to-back fight, and with pride inside him it will be a tough fight for both the two, unless there's something behind that we are not seeing, if money will talk louder than the punches of these two warriors.

We might see part 4 of this rivalry, we never know until the judges announce who wins.

More on how both fighters will perform inside the ring and how they will end this upcoming fight to entertain the fans and viewers.

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July 30, 2022, 07:17:24 AM
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The poll shows that users here mostly sides with GGG, not because they pity him but because GGG can still give a hard time and make Canelo struggle despite of his age now. I'm quite sure about that though because judging GGG's performance against Murata recently, he can still dance well and can still give tough punches.
A GGG-Canelo 4 is quite premature for now, let's see first if what this trilogy could bring to us.
Premature as they are still going to take each other this coming sept 17 and we are not sure if Alvarez is willing to risk losing two back-to-back fight, and with pride inside him it will be a tough fight for both the two, unless there's something behind that we are not seeing, if money will talk louder than the punches of these two warriors.

We might see part 4 of this rivalry, we never know until the judges announce who wins.

More on how both fighters will perform inside the ring and how they will end this upcoming fight to entertain the fans and viewers.

Because  of GGG last fight, one would really speculate he still has it considering Murata looks  more agile during that fight than what Canelo could bring. GGG indeed he still  has it, Canelo just have to beat GGG in the first half of the fight if this doesn't happen, Canelo will be in  big trouble and either UD or him down the ground.

Losing 2 consecutive fights from Bivol and GGG will be a soul burying defeat for Canelo.

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July 30, 2022, 07:29:15 AM
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The poll shows that users here mostly sides with GGG, not because they pity him but because GGG can still give a hard time and make Canelo struggle despite of his age now. I'm quite sure about that though because judging GGG's performance against Murata recently, he can still dance well and can still give tough punches.
A GGG-Canelo 4 is quite premature for now, let's see first if what this trilogy could bring to us.
Premature as they are still going to take each other this coming sept 17 and we are not sure if Alvarez is willing to risk losing two back-to-back fight, and with pride inside him it will be a tough fight for both the two, unless there's something behind that we are not seeing, if money will talk louder than the punches of these two warriors.

We might see part 4 of this rivalry, we never know until the judges announce who wins.

More on how both fighters will perform inside the ring and how they will end this upcoming fight to entertain the fans and viewers.

Because  of GGG last fight, one would really speculate he still has it considering Murata looks  more agile during that fight than what Canelo could bring. GGG indeed he still  has it, Canelo just have to beat GGG in the first half of the fight if this doesn't happen, Canelo will be in  big trouble and either UD or him down the ground.
That's not what happened in the last two fights though, Canelo has the edge over GGG that's why he is still listed as the favorite to win, in fact he is the heavy favorite to win, so it should be GGG starting aggressive and will try to look for opening to hurt Canelo because if this goes to scorecards, I doubt the decision will favor on GGG.

Losing 2 consecutive fights from Bivol and GGG will be a soul burying defeat for Canelo.
Of course, that's why Canelo is also preparing for this fight although GGG is already old.

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July 30, 2022, 01:45:04 PM
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The poll shows that users here mostly sides with GGG, not because they pity him but because GGG can still give a hard time and make Canelo struggle despite of his age now. I'm quite sure about that though because judging GGG's performance against Murata recently, he can still dance well and can still give tough punches.
A GGG-Canelo 4 is quite premature for now, let's see first if what this trilogy could bring to us.
Premature as they are still going to take each other this coming sept 17 and we are not sure if Alvarez is willing to risk losing two back-to-back fight, and with pride inside him it will be a tough fight for both the two, unless there's something behind that we are not seeing, if money will talk louder than the punches of these two warriors.

We might see part 4 of this rivalry, we never know until the judges announce who wins.

More on how both fighters will perform inside the ring and how they will end this upcoming fight to entertain the fans and viewers.

Because  of GGG last fight, one would really speculate he still has it considering Murata looks  more agile during that fight than what Canelo could bring. GGG indeed he still  has it, Canelo just have to beat GGG in the first half of the fight if this doesn't happen, Canelo will be in  big trouble and either UD or him down the ground.
That's not what happened in the last two fights though, Canelo has the edge over GGG that's why he is still listed as the favorite to win, in fact he is the heavy favorite to win, so it should be GGG starting aggressive and will try to look for opening to hurt Canelo because if this goes to scorecards, I doubt the decision will favor on GGG.

Losing 2 consecutive fights from Bivol and GGG will be a soul burying defeat for Canelo.
Of course, that's why Canelo is also preparing for this fight although GGG is already old.

Presummably, what Canelo should do in this 3rd fight. I'm not telling what had happened.

What I mean is that Canelo had to defeat GGG in the first  half of the fight otherwise its him that is going to be in trouble because GGG seem to be getting better when the fight last longer. But we'll if his age is not making Golov rusty.



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July 30, 2022, 08:27:35 PM
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The poll shows that users here mostly sides with GGG, not because they pity him but because GGG can still give a hard time and make Canelo struggle despite of his age now. I'm quite sure about that though because judging GGG's performance against Murata recently, he can still dance well and can still give tough punches.
A GGG-Canelo 4 is quite premature for now, let's see first if what this trilogy could bring to us.
Premature as they are still going to take each other this coming sept 17 and we are not sure if Alvarez is willing to risk losing two back-to-back fight, and with pride inside him it will be a tough fight for both the two, unless there's something behind that we are not seeing, if money will talk louder than the punches of these two warriors.

We might see part 4 of this rivalry, we never know until the judges announce who wins.

More on how both fighters will perform inside the ring and how they will end this upcoming fight to entertain the fans and viewers.

Because  of GGG last fight, one would really speculate he still has it considering Murata looks  more agile during that fight than what Canelo could bring. GGG indeed he still  has it, Canelo just have to beat GGG in the first half of the fight if this doesn't happen, Canelo will be in  big trouble and either UD or him down the ground.

Losing 2 consecutive fights from Bivol and GGG will be a soul burying defeat for Canelo.
Without a doubt consecutive losses will damage his image beyond belief, Bivol won very clearly against him showing he was not ready to go up a division and that maybe he will never be.

The fight against GGG is in fact an effort to recover some of the reputation he lost against Bivol, if he happened to lose again then not only this will be a short term hit against his reputation but also a long term one, as this would mean an old GGG could beat him when his better days are behind him.
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July 30, 2022, 11:07:57 PM
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The fight against GGG is in fact an effort to recover some of the reputation he lost against Bivol, if he happened to lose again then not only this will be a short term hit against his reputation but also a long term one, as this would mean an old GGG could beat him when his better days are behind him.

The trilogy has nothing to do with Canelo's recovering his reputation or what because he loses to Bivol.

That trilogy match was already arranged even prior to the fight of GGG vs Murata and Canelo vs Bivol. In other words, it's already set in stone regardless of the result of their respective match on which GGG won against Murata but Canelo loses to Bivol.

There's even an article or I think rumors, saying that both Canelo and GGG should win on their respective matches in order for their trilogy to happened for real like it's a pre-requisite or ticket for that event. But look, even Canelo loses against Bivol, the trilogy still push because it won't affect much his hype and will still gather lots of ticket sales as Canelo vs GGG III is already several years in the making and this time, it will happen for real.

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July 30, 2022, 11:38:32 PM
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What I mean is that Canelo had to defeat GGG in the first  half of the fight otherwise its him that is going to be in trouble because GGG seem to be getting better when the fight last longer. But we'll if his age is not making Golov rusty.

Not sure about that strong stamina in the later rounds for GGG and he's turning better at late rounds? Is that what you trying to say? Remember that he's up against a prime Canelo and containing him at every rounds needs a lots more and better stamina. GGG's stamina is surely not the same now compare to his prime. He's already at the retirement period of his career so expect some signs that he showed before won't be seen now on this match.

However, since GGG makes and force Canelo shows his limits, we can assume that he can last longer on this fight. I just don't want the fight will end up in Decision as the cash cow king will surely the victorious and that's Canelo unless the fight is clearly being dominated by GGG.
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What I mean is that Canelo had to defeat GGG in the first  half of the fight otherwise its him that is going to be in trouble because GGG seem to be getting better when the fight last longer. But we'll if his age is not making Golov rusty.

Not sure about that strong stamina in the later rounds for GGG and he's turning better at late rounds? Is that what you trying to say? Remember that he's up against a prime Canelo and containing him at every rounds needs a lots more and better stamina. GGG's stamina is surely not the same now compare to his prime. He's already at the retirement period of his career so expect some signs that he showed before won't be seen now on this match.

However, since GGG makes and force Canelo shows his limits, we can assume that he can last longer on this fight. I just don't want the fight will end up in Decision as the cash cow king will surely the victorious and that's Canelo unless the fight is clearly being dominated by GGG.

I believe that GGG will last longer, he has never been KO in his life as a boxer, so I would never have a doubt about his performance in this coming fight. We have to remember that GGG is trying to win, and it's his only chance to prove that he is the better boxer, so expect that he will be more eager to win in this fight.

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What I mean is that Canelo had to defeat GGG in the first  half of the fight otherwise its him that is going to be in trouble because GGG seem to be getting better when the fight last longer. But we'll if his age is not making Golov rusty.

Not sure about that strong stamina in the later rounds for GGG and he's turning better at late rounds? Is that what you trying to say? Remember that he's up against a prime Canelo and containing him at every rounds needs a lots more and better stamina. GGG's stamina is surely not the same now compare to his prime. He's already at the retirement period of his career so expect some signs that he showed before won't be seen now on this match.

However, since GGG makes and force Canelo shows his limits, we can assume that he can last longer on this fight. I just don't want the fight will end up in Decision as the cash cow king will surely the victorious and that's Canelo unless the fight is clearly being dominated by GGG.

I believe that GGG will last longer, he has never been KO in his life as a boxer, so I would never have a doubt about his performance in this coming fight. We have to remember that GGG is trying to win, and it's his only chance to prove that he is the better boxer, so expect that he will be more eager to win in this fight.

The only concern is his age, but we cannot underestimate him because we know how discipline he is as a boxer. His last win was pretty much impressive, so he has that momentum going to this fight, and the good thing is that he is a heavy underdog, which makes the betting odds more interesting backing him.
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August 01, 2022, 07:45:54 AM
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What I mean is that Canelo had to defeat GGG in the first  half of the fight otherwise its him that is going to be in trouble because GGG seem to be getting better when the fight last longer. But we'll if his age is not making Golov rusty.

Not sure about that strong stamina in the later rounds for GGG and he's turning better at late rounds? Is that what you trying to say? Remember that he's up against a prime Canelo and containing him at every rounds needs a lots more and better stamina. GGG's stamina is surely not the same now compare to his prime. He's already at the retirement period of his career so expect some signs that he showed before won't be seen now on this match.

However, since GGG makes and force Canelo shows his limits, we can assume that he can last longer on this fight. I just don't want the fight will end up in Decision as the cash cow king will surely the victorious and that's Canelo unless the fight is clearly being dominated by GGG.

I believe that GGG will last longer, he has never been KO in his life as a boxer, so I would never have a doubt about his performance in this coming fight. We have to remember that GGG is trying to win, and it's his only chance to prove that he is the better boxer, so expect that he will be more eager to win in this fight.

The only concern is his age, but we cannot underestimate him because we know how discipline he is as a boxer. His last win was pretty much impressive, so he has that momentum going to this fight, and the good thing is that he is a heavy underdog, which makes the betting odds more interesting backing him.

Right, he still very impressive against Murata, and it seems that age doesn't affect his performance. Maybe it was due to him not being damage on his boxing career, as compare to let's say legends like Pacquiao and Donaire, who have been knock out. So for me, when they reach 40+ age, they are somewhat feeling the wear and tear and the effects of being in the boxing and having been knock out in their career. But GGG is not, he is the one dishing out the hurt, not receiving it and that could be a big factor why he can still fight at his age at high level.


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Without a doubt consecutive losses will damage his image beyond belief, Bivol won very clearly against him showing he was not ready to go up a division and that maybe he will never be.

The fight against GGG is in fact an effort to recover some of the reputation he lost against Bivol, if he happened to lose again then not only this will be a short term hit against his reputation but also a long term one, as this would mean an old GGG could beat him when his better days are behind him.

We really don't know what will happen on their upcoming fight, knowing both fighters they are eager to beat one another, there's no way for both of them to give a slight opportunity to their opponent both will prepare harder and make sure that they are fit enough to step inside the ring, GGG is old but pride might give him enough determination in beating Canelo.

While in Canelo's end, back-to-back losses will really damage his reputation and the need for winning is a must for him.

Let's all wait and witness what both fighters will bring to use when the bell ring and call for the start of the fight.

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August 01, 2022, 07:54:06 PM
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The fight against GGG is in fact an effort to recover some of the reputation he lost against Bivol, if he happened to lose again then not only this will be a short term hit against his reputation but also a long term one, as this would mean an old GGG could beat him when his better days are behind him.

The trilogy has nothing to do with Canelo's recovering his reputation or what because he loses to Bivol.

That trilogy match was already arranged even prior to the fight of GGG vs Murata and Canelo vs Bivol. In other words, it's already set in stone regardless of the result of their respective match on which GGG won against Murata but Canelo loses to Bivol.

Yes, Canelo Alvarez is a bit out of choice for this trilogy because he cannot have a chance to fight Dmitrii Bivol for a title fight in light-heavy if he won't agree to fight Golovkin afterwards. I'd say that this upcoming fight is the perfect gift for Golovkin because he received this news on the month of his birthday and I imagined that he was certainly happy about this as he asked for a trilogy for years already.

Though this fight might be late already because their trilogy was first proposed last 2019 when GGG is much younger but Canelo declined and made a statement that a trilogy won't be needed because it was evident that he won the first and second fight even if the 1st resulted to a draw. But, this will be still an exciting match to see aside from the fact that this might be Golovkin's last professional fight.


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But, this will be still an exciting match to see aside from the fact that this might be Golovkin's last professional fight.

Do you have any proof for this? Even if he loses, I don't think that Golovkin will retire after this match. He looks to be in really good shape and there is no reason for him to retire at this point. Golovkin has taken good care of his fitness levels, when compared to other athletes of this age. I know that he waited for a long time to get this fight scheduled, because according to him the previous two fights were stolen by Canelo. IMO, he can go on for another two years minimum, and can have around 4 high-profile fights.

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August 02, 2022, 07:34:01 AM
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But, this will be still an exciting match to see aside from the fact that this might be Golovkin's last professional fight.

Do you have any proof for this? Even if he loses, I don't think that Golovkin will retire after this match. He looks to be in really good shape and there is no reason for him to retire at this point. Golovkin has taken good care of his fitness levels, when compared to other athletes of this age. I know that he waited for a long time to get this fight scheduled, because according to him the previous two fights were stolen by Canelo. IMO, he can go on for another two years minimum, and can have around 4 high-profile fights.
Base on his recent interview he doesnt have plan to retire yet after his trilogy fight with Canelo and its not surprising because of the good results of his previous fight. Its like he already redeem himself from his loss with Canelo before. Thus if he happens to win on their upcoming trilogy, it is one of a good reason to continue his boxing career since he's still have what it takes to be a great boxer despite of his age.
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